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New Super Scanner Can Scan Body in Under a Minute

Smivs writes to mention that a new 3D scanner, unveiled at the Radiological Society of North America, has been in use for the last month at the Metro Health medical center in Cleveland, Ohio. This new scanner allows for much more detailed scans of the entire body in just under one minute also cutting the exposure to x-rays by as much as 80%. The cost of the new tech has not yet been released.

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  1. "cutting the exposure to x-rays by 80%" by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 5, Funny

    They now use Gamma rays......

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    1. Re:"cutting the exposure to x-rays by 80%" by Billy69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, I guess you never heared of the visible human project then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_Human_Project

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  2. This scan would make "House" episodes... by ciaohound · · Score: 2, Funny

    a lot shorter. Well, I guess the writers can come up with some other convention whereby four or more elite and highly-paid doctors can discuss a single patient ad nauseum.

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    1. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you also noticed how central New Jersey seems to get an unproportionally high amount of freak medical conditions and epidemics?

    2. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by pwnies · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...but never patients with lupus.

    3. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Realistically, it should be North Jersey, where all the oil refineries and chemical waste reside.

    4. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by VE3MTM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They used to, in the first two seasons. Since then they've slipped, however, and focus more on the soap opera. This site has in-depth reviews of House episodes by a (real, actual) physician. Look at an early episode, then look at a Season 4 episode.

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    5. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by necro81 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By and large, the medicine portrayed in House is accurate, even if it is rare and farfetched.

      What requires more suspended disbelief than the medicine are these facets of the show:

      1) All these interns run their own labs (by hand, no less), do their own surgeries and biopsies, and run CT, MRI and ultrasound scanners all by themselves

      2) A narcotic-addicted doctor that displays such insubordination, so thoroughly and arbitrarily abuses his subordinates, and is so blase about sexual harassment, would be allowed to practice in any hospital. There are plenty of assholes doctors, but House goes beyond belief.

      It is much like believing that Seattle Grace Hospital has only five surgeons, and innumerable promiscuous interns, who do everything.

    6. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by Ngarrang · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have you also noticed how central New Jersey seems to get an unproportionally high amount of freak medical conditions and epidemics? Is death by cement boots a medical condition or epidemic?
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    7. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Informative

      I picked three random episodes from the first and fourth seasons. Both seasons had a mixture of D's to B's in the 'medicine' category. The 'soap opera' category is consistently high (even noted in the first episode review). It seems that the show has always known its true focus is on the character dynamic, not the medicine.

    8. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by Synthaxx · · Score: 2, Funny
      Don't knock it till yous tries it.

      Which reminds me, the Don would like to sees you.

    9. Re:This scan would make "House" episodes... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the end, it turns out she had been poisoning him with gold I've not watched House, but this sounds like nonsense. Gold is non-toxic. It is commonly used to decorate expensive desserts and has no ill effects when ingested. A couple of years ago someone brought a bottle of sparking wine to my New Year party which contained gold leaf which the bubbles picked up made dance in your glass. Gold is approved as a food additive in the EU as E175, so if you see E175 on the ingredients list you know it contains gold (although since it's only used for decoration you can probably tell more easily by looking at it).

      If this is the kind of thing it presents as fact, then I'm quite glad I don't watch it.

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  3. 256 slices? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here kid, here's a quarter, get a real processor.

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  4. Other applications by pwnies · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be interesting to see if this gets ported over to the entertainment industry as well. If it can do everything it claims to be able to do it would greatly help with modeling movies like "Pirates of the Caribbean" where bone structures of the actors are important.

    1. Re:Other applications by wattrlz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Something tells me that's not the first thing the, "Entertainment Industry" was thinking when they heard the words, "full body scan".

  5. Airport security by CaligarisDesk · · Score: 3, Funny

    When they figure out how to make these cheap, you can bet they'll be placing them in airports. Nothing like a full body scan to check if someone swallowed a heroin capsule or is hiding bomb making materials.

  6. Re:X-Ray or MRI? by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 4, Informative

    A CT scan (cat scan) is basically an X-ray machine that can yield 3D images just like an MRI. But CT is better at imaging bone and doing angiography. MRI's excel at soft tissue and make "movies" of things like a beating heart. MRI's are basically programmable and can do all kinds of things as a result.

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  7. Re:I expect we'll see a lot of new scan techs... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Funny
    Now that chemistry sets have been gutted for safety we need something to give kids that's a little more interesting...

    Nah. I am waiting for "Make Your Own Ebola Virus" kit. Hours of endless fun. I see them being advertised right next to those sea monkeys.

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  8. Re:Already done. by mdielmann · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I wasn't at work right now, I'd so be googling "bodyscan porn" right now so I could be...googling bodyscan porn. Well, that takes care of my plans for the night.

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  9. Re:Already done. by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 2

    You can see such things on X-Rays as well depending on the exposure & whatnot. Normally you might think that would be no big deal in a medical context, but once I was at a chiropractor when he had an X-Ray of me up on the lightbox, and you could see exactly the feature you mention. Then his girlfriend / receptionist knocked on the door, he said "come in," and I felt more than a little bit awkward. [This space reserved for others' endowment jokes.]

    This was long before HIPAA, of course. I imagine that such occurrences would be less common nowadays, with the constant attention given to medical privacy.

    Anyway, the above anecdote notwithstanding, I'm all for medical scans that are faster & more detailed. I mean, who enjoys holding still for minutes on end while the MRI machine does its thing?

  10. You missed it. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Last Week the patient had lupus. All the symptoms were throwing them off because they gave them an infusion of the wrong blood type because the lupus made a different protein in the blood that made it look like an other type.

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  11. Re:X-Ray or MRI? by Xenotionar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not a replacement for a CT scanner, it *IS* a CT scanner. The synopsis, as well as the article itself, is very vague and misleading. This isn't some brand new technology, it's technology that is and has been continually advancing since the 70's. I work with a 16 slice scanner in a hospital and it can do all of the 3d reconstructions like in this article, just takes longer to acquire the data from the patient.

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  12. Re:X-Ray or MRI? by RockyMountain · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a CT scanner.

    In other words, the technology is X-ray, but it electronically combines many images from many angles to build up a 3D image of what's inside the patient.

    By the way, CT scans and MRIs are somewhat complementary to each other. Which one is "better" depends on what you are looking for:

    CT uses X-rays, which I beleive (to my limited understanding) essentially measure density. Denser matter stops more X-rays, less dense matter lets more through.

    MRI on the other hand uses magnetic resonance, which senses water concentration by alligning the magnetic dipole moments of water neuclei, and then "pinging" them and watching them resonate. Water concentration in the wrong place can indicate ruptured cell walls found in tumors, for example. Depending on exactly what you're hoping to spot, one may be better technology than the other.

    (Disclaimer, I am not a doctor. Just someone with too many friends and relatives with cancer, unfortunately).

  13. Re:except you're totally wrong by joey_knisch · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you were involved in radiology or cardio imaging you'd probably realize this is already being done. At the hospital I work at we have a 64 slice CT that does angiography. Does it mean we replaced all angio with the CTA (Computed Tomography Angiography)? No. There are advantages to both.

    Additionally, please check your sources when you say that no dye is involved in CTA. Perhaps you were thinking of MRA (Magnetic Resonance Angiography) which can be done with or without.

    In any case, these new tools will advance medicine but the car analogy holds. This is the 2008 model. It's newly redesigned and comes standard with XM satellite radio. Enjoy.

  14. Re:X-Ray or MRI? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It looks to me like the Beeb fell for a Phillips press release.

    It SOUNDS like what they're describing is a helical CT scanner, which are cool, but have been around for a while. The only real difference I could find in the article is that this one is about 22% faster than the others - an incremental improvement on existing technology.

    All the rest seemed to be misleading -- comparing x-ray exposure and speed to "the first CT scanners" for instance. Well duh, if your scanner isn't better than the first ones thirty years ago you'd better get out of the business.

  15. Re:Oblig. by Cappy+Red · · Score: 2, Funny

    Even if it is obligatory, you shouldn't make it that transparent. I could see right through that.

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  16. sounds useful by zen-theorist · · Score: 2, Funny

    then why is it on slashdot?

  17. Re:except you're totally wrong by dontthink · · Score: 3, Informative

    For people in the business, I'm sure this particular machine is not news, because they are aware of the general trend and this doesn't indicate a big bump or sudden change in the trend.

    I'm a medical physicist, so I do know my share about CT (and other medical imaging) - I guess you could say I'm "in the business." And yes, the trend of adding more slices has been going on for years, and yes, it is good, but in my opinion more slices does not make this a "super-scanner" that is going to change medicine as we know it as TFA and summary imply.

    To beat the dead horse of the car analogy, it's like this year's model gets a few more mpg than last year's (and maybe a TV in the seat, just for the "cool" factor of having a 256 slice CT)... A practical improvement that is good for everybody concerned, but not revolutionary.

    Also, in another post you mention new car models as marketing hype - medical devices are a BIG business, and have a huge marketing machine. RSNA (mentioned in the article and summary) is the biggest trade show for medical devices in the country (possibly the world) - there are huge booths, displays, free swag, etc, and glitz definitely comes into play there. I wasn't at RSNA this year (last time was 2005), but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Philips had a display model of this unit on a rotating platform, a la a car show. The article sound eerily similar to the Philips press release (found here:http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi_menuItemID=887566059a3aedb6efaaa9e27a808a0c&ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1000052&newsId=20071125005033&newsLang=en).

    I'm fully aware of the importance of developing better CT imaging, but this isn't really a huge improvement over existing 64-slice CT scanners. As another poster pointed out, CT angiography has been around awhile and Toshiba already has a production 256-slice unit. The dose given is incrementally lower, which is a good thing, but not nearly enough to make CT screening for cardiac disease commonplace. When it comes to CT, novel sampling and reconstruction algorithms are as important on the dose reduction front IMO.

    But my impression of the original comment was that it was made by someone who wasn't even aware of the importance of the general trend of multislice CT machines towards faster, better, and lower-radiation imaging, and thought vaguely that the whole trend was merely towards a more expensive and flashier way to diagnose knee problems in NFL running backs.

    Heh, ouch... don't know where you got that from my post (I said in my OP "Don't get me wrong - the advances are useful and worthwhile, but just not the revolution TFA and summary make it out to be.")

    A cheap, low/no-dose, fast, and effective means to screen for cardiac disease would be a public-health breakthrough - this machine ain't it (which you have said yourself).

    By the way, I stand behind everything in my OP, and fail to see how I am "totally wrong" as the subject of your reply suggests.
  18. The future is spectroscopic X-ray imaging. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You are absolutely right. This is a standard multislice CT scanner. The fact that it is 256 slices, not the 64/128 that are the current state of the art, is small news. Philips have produced an incremental improvement. I think Toshiba even have a 256 near ready for clinical use. Its amazing the BBC fell for this. Its like announcing on the BBC that 8G flash-memory usb-drive will be the standard in 2 years time.

    From my post elsewhere in this article...

    The next big leap in X-ray imaging is likely to be X-ray spectography.

    This Philips scanner is really just an incremental change from previous machines. 64 and 128 slice machine have been out for a while. Moving to 256 is a standard incremental upgrade. It provides no new information over previous multislice CT scanners. Its just faster.

    The big push in 3D X-ray imaging is to record the tissue's response to across a range of x-ray energies. In its simplest form this can be done with Siemens dual energy CT scanner. In the more advanced forms its done using energy selective X-ray detectors. The analogy for visible light is to move from black and white photography to colour photography. Examples of energy selective detectors include CERN's Medipix detector. [wikipedia.org]

    This energy informationn is known to be useful for vascular studies (eg. dual energy angiography) and improved soft tissue contrast. Energy resolving X-ray imaging allow CT scanner to provide information closer to what MRI can do, but the speed and spatial resolution of X-ray.