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Nigerian Company Sues OLPC

d0ida writes on the continuing troubles at the OLPC Association. Adding to the recent difficulties — the BBC has picked up the litany — a US-based, Nigerian-owned company has now filed a patent-infringement lawsuit against OLPC. Lagos Analysis Corp. claims that OLPC "made unauthorized use of LANCOR's multilingual keyboard technology invention in XO laptops." The suit was filed in Lagos.

277 comments

  1. Wow... by Double_Duo_Decimal · · Score: 1

    Like the OLPC needs more road blocks.

  2. patent troll. by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Troll

    Crush them. no quater can be given to these people

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    1. Re:patent troll. by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Troll

      how the fuck is my comment a troll you morons?

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    2. Re:patent troll. by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      Probably because you can't spell "quarter". And we all know that if you can't spell, you're a troll.

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    3. Re:patent troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because you can't spell "quarter".
      Well, he can, but only 25% of the time.
  3. The scams are getting more ridiculous every day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Patents. What will they think of next?

  4. I guess the OLPC folks .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... could just ignore Nigerian law and be just fine. After all, it's not like many Nigerians obey anyone else's laws (much less their own).

    1. Re:I guess the OLPC folks .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > and illegal reverse engineering of its keyboard driver source codes for use in the XO Laptops.

      Why would any hardware manuf want to sell less? A keyboard driver? C'mon that's fishy. Some *cpu* company might have padded their pockets to throw yet *another* roadblock into OLPC's path.

    2. Re:I guess the OLPC folks .... by G-News.ch · · Score: 1

      Too me, this looks more like if someone in Nigeria doesn't WANT its people to get access to XO laptops/better education. Keep 'em stupid and they will obey, right?

    3. Re:I guess the OLPC folks .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop passing racist comments! You guys suck at this. We live on the same planet and still behave as aliens with one another.

      YOU SUCK...

    4. Re:I guess the OLPC folks .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, you nigger-loving tree-hugger.

    5. Re:I guess the OLPC folks .... by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

      > could just ignore Nigerian law and be just fine.

        "a US-based, Nigerian-owned company has now filed a patent-infringement lawsuit"

      For some reason, I don't think Nigerian law had as much to do with the lawsuit.
      We probably need to consult the lawbooks governing Redmond, Washington I suspect.

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    6. Re:I guess the OLPC folks .... by michellesintown · · Score: 1

      exactly. good point

  5. So tempted by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 4, Funny

    to make 419 scam jokes, must resist...

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    1. Re:So tempted by nick_davison · · Score: 1

      Dear Sir

      I am about to come in to 100 million dollars from a patent suit that I am sure to win.

      If you will send me an advance of only ten thousand dollars, to cover some of my legal fees, I will give you 10% of my final winnings - 10 million dollars.

      I very much hope we can work together. Ironically, that's been pretty much exactly how SCO has sold shares and gained investment for the last few years. On top of everything else, they turn out to be variant 419 scammers? Life just doesn't cut them a break.
    2. Re:So tempted by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      This lawsuit may raise the cost of the OLPC to $419 per unit in Nigeria.

    3. Re:So tempted by XantheKnight · · Score: 1

      No offense, but your Latin tagline is improperly constructed. If you're going to use a Si clause in that manner, you need to use the subjunctive construction for paro, parare. You have used the imperative. Also more properly you should construct it with "qui pacem desiderat bellum praeparet"

    4. Re:So tempted by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      Ya, I suppose this is what I get for quoting from Wikipedia!

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  6. They hold the patent for first use by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... for sending SPAM from the OLPC

  7. This is good news by JonTurner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe Nigeria can become known as a country of greedy patent trolls instead of just a country of internet scammers. As if there's any practical difference.

    OLPC team -- don't get discouraged. As they say, if you're receiving flak, you must be over the target.

    1. Re:This is good news by NoMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe Nigeria can become known as a country of greedy patent trolls ...
      Who says they're patent trolls?

      They might actually have a point. It's not like they've sat on this for years - the public release of OLPC laptops is so recent that it's entirely conceivable that it's taken this long to examine them, document any violations, and file suit. And who knows what behind-the-scene negotiations, which may have delayed filing, have taken place between them and OLPC?

      Is it just that the OLPC, being "free" and "open" and using Linux and all, are considered by /. groupthink to automatically be in the right? Or are people suggesting that all patent owners are patent trolls? (A position with which I would largely agree, BTW.)

      Sorry, not picking on you specifically - you're just the first in thread to mention the words "patent troll".

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    2. Re:This is good news by Lachlan+Hunt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or are people suggesting that all patent owners are patent trolls? (A position with which I would largely agree, BTW.)

      Not all patent owners are patent trolls. Only those that use their patents to sue people and get in the way of progress and innovation.

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    3. Re:This is good news by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

      Maybe Nigeria can become known as a country of greedy patent trolls instead of just a country of internet scammers

      That term doesn't make sense. In any other field besides patents, the so-called trolls would be called "dealers" or "brokers". I'm curious--do you call your real estate agent a "land troll"? Do you think commercial Linux companies are "free software trolls"?

    4. Re:This is good news by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Ha! So patent owners who do nothing with their patents are ok with you but the others are not? Cause that's what patents are for, suing people to stop progress and innovation.

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    5. Re:This is good news by m2943 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They might actually have a point

      They might in principle, but in practice, they don't. The OLPC keyboard differs from theirs, and there are decades of prior art in using multiple shift keys to reach multiple languages on one keyboard. Their keyboard is basically the "US International Keyboard" for Windows with the keys rearranged.

    6. Re:This is good news by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

      Good patents, which are getting fewer everyday, are designed to help innovation. A company innovates and patents then the company is paid by companies that want use their innovation. If these companies don't want to pay for use then they'll try to innovate themselves. Otherwise a company would innovate then their competition would use the innovation without the cost of R&D. It would be cheaper to take ideas than to come up with new ones.

      RTFA and change Nigerian to Swedish or Japanese and see how you feel.
      Konyin keyboards are an actual product that is for sale. This is not a patent without a product.
      Lawsuit states that keyboards were purchased and illegally reverse engineered. This isn't a lawsuit about your product sorta looks like mine. The extra shifts are pretty much a function key anyways.

    7. Re:This is good news by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, that's the retarded world view where "innovation" means "work around a patent". In the real world, "innovation" means "build on the work of others" and patents are what you use to stop people doing that.

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    8. Re:This is good news by garbletext · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a nonprofit organization. This company is literally robbing children, quite likely children from their own country. Maybe they're not patent trolls, but they're clearly assholes.

    9. Re:This is good news by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      my god please alt+f4 yourself right now to prevent your stupidity spreading across the internets.

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    10. Re:This is good news by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      If they have a nigerian patent, even if it's obvious elsewhere, OLPC might be infringing it locally. At least it's a patent on hardware, not a combination of mouseclicks...

    11. Re:This is good news by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Lawsuit states that keyboards were purchased and illegally reverse engineered.

      The only way that could be true is if Nigeria has a seriously defective legal system (quite possible), but even then the "truth value" of that statement would only exist within Nigeria.

      Like someone who illegally wears a t-shirt that says "Vote".

      The phrase "illegally reverse engineered" only weighs in favor of a case of this company being a "patent troll", it is not an argument to refute that label.

      A further note is that all uses of the word "invention" appear to false. According to the article this is a design patent. At least in US law, design patents are not for new useful inventions, design patents are not for functional aspects, design patents are for aesthetic and ornamental aspects. Design patents are about "our product looks cool and distinctive". Design patents are trivial to work around, you just change the shape or arrangement of your product to any of a zillion other equally reasonable equally functional looks.

      ...ok a little Googling and yes Nigerian RD#### patent are "Registered Design" patents. This is not an invention patent, this is an ornamental design patent. It also turns out that there is no official website to look up Nigerian patents, not only is there no website for it but the Nigerian Patent Office official contact point is a Yahoo email address.

      This company is suing a charitable high-tech project to aid 3rd world children, and doing it based on an ornamental patent registered with a government operating from a Yahoo email address. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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    12. Re:This is good news by emj · · Score: 1

      You get points for educating us about design patents, intersting idea. The other points is just ranting though, I think it's good that goverments try to keep costs low by using email systems that are low cost for them.

    13. Re:This is good news by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Yeah.

      If you are talking about the sort of "dealers" and "brokers" that
      lurk around like vultures waiting for bad things to happen to people.
      Those people certainly do get derision heaped upon them.

      Crass asses are called out as such all over.

      You are also confusing real estate agents with real estate speculators.

      "Free Software Trolls" are not out there jacking up the cost of doing
      business, making business impossible to do at any price or jacking up
      the cost of living.

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    14. Re:This is good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This "it's obvious elsewhere but not here" legal doctrine is one I'm not familiar with. Care to elaborate?

    15. Re:This is good news by dcam · · Score: 1

      In all likelyhood they are patent trolls. However if they did have a valid patent that was being infringed by OLPC, they would have a perfect right to sue OLPC, non-profit or not. OLPC would be effectively forcing them to donate to their project.

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    16. Re:This is good news by garbletext · · Score: 1

      If OLPC completely moves any operations out of Nigeria, are they still infringing? I mean, you don't see microsoft being sued over bogus patents from Uzbekistan, do you? Some countries have patent treaties with us but i'm quite sure that Nigeria isn't one of them.

    17. Re:This is good news by Julian352 · · Score: 1

      Just being a non-profit organization, does not make them automatically a charitable cause. You should take look at IKEA - they are pretty much a tax evasion heaven. All of their profits are routed to another non-profit "furniture design" corporation which is owned by the exactly the same people.

    18. Re:This is good news by m2943 · · Score: 1

      They might actually have a point.

      They "might", but, in fact, they don't. If you compare the Windows international, X11 international, OLPC, and Lancor keyboards, you'll quickly discover that OLPC is a regular international keyboard like they have been in use for a couple of decades.

      Look up my previous post with URLs.

    19. Re:This is good news by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      In the real world, "innovation" means "build on the work of others" and patents are what you use to stop people doing that.

      Not really. Patents are something you can use to delay people profiting from using your work. They do not stop people building on your work at all; you can build as many patented things in your R&D labs as you like. If you want to stop people building on your work, publishing it and agreeing to have it enter the public domain in 20 or so years would be a pretty stupid way to go about it.

      If you want to stop people building on your work, keep it a trade secret. But then of course you get no legal protection, so you can't really license your invention because there is nothing to stop someone just using it and not paying you. If there were no patents, there would be a hell of a lot more trade secrets and as a result a whole lot less sharing of technology. After the patent expires it's easier for people to build on your work because it's published in a form which a someone skilled in the art can use to understand and reproduce the invention. It's also explicitly in the public domain. So while patents can be used to delay people profiting from building on your work, they encourage you to invent in the first place and allow others to build on your work in ways which would be impossible without patents.

      Patents, when correctly implemented, encourage innovation and encourage the sharing of technology by providing a framework where the inventor can freely disseminate information about their invention while being assured of a chance of recouping their costs. Without patents there would be fewer inventions and less sharing of information about those inventions.

      The point of patents can be found in the patent library in all the expired patents. Every significant invention of the technological age is presented in precise detail and all that information is free for you to use. That's not stopping people building on others' work in my book, that's facilitating it.

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    20. Re:This is good news by hawk · · Score: 1

      >I'm curious--do you call your real estate agent a "land troll"?

      Hey, that's a great term. Not using "troll" in the common internet sense, but in the older sense, referring to those creatures hiding under bridges and demanding fees for passage . . .

      hawk, a land shark

  8. Could someone explain why they give C&D orders by Bazar · · Score: 1

    I've never understood why they are given in most cases.

    I can understand halting the sales of a product when you have a competing product, like amazon and all the VoIP sueing.

    But what do they gain when they are a patent troll? If they going to be awarded damages, wouldn't the more they have sold, inflate the settlement?

    Or do they do it simlpy as bargaining chip. If thats the case, why do judges so freely give them out?
    Or is there another reason to it?

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  9. The Lesson? by snl2587 · · Score: 1

    One should be extremely careful when distributing technology in other countries. You never know when some screwy patent will foul things up no matter what your intention.

    But seriously, can't a company appreciate a beneficial product? Or will greed always stand in the way of helping others?

    1. Re:The Lesson? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      But seriously, can't a company appreciate a beneficial product? Or will greed always stand in the way of helping others?

      Yes. And yes.

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    2. Re:The Lesson? by HiggsBison · · Score: 1

      But seriously, can't a company appreciate a beneficial product? Or will greed always stand in the way of helping others?

      No good deed goes unpunished.

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  10. A _little_ more info on this. by robbak · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://www.olpcnews.com/hardware/keyboard/olpc_patent_infringement_scam.html I like how the Nigerian patent office has an @yahoo email address!! Prepare for things to start getting wierd.

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    1. Re:A _little_ more info on this. by d0ida · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out the comments on that OLPC News article. There are links to more details of both designs.

    2. Re:A _little_ more info on this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found a wayback entry about their special keyboard from 2004. It's not like they just made this all up, they're very proud of their 'commodore key' keyboards.

  11. But they'll settle.... by saxoholic · · Score: 2, Funny

    They'll call off the lawsuit if they receive 20 laptops within the next 2 weeks, and will pay OLPC $5000 on receipt of said laptops...

  12. Boy, did they pick the wrong mark by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Eben Moglen, invalidator of bioscience patents filed by his own university ("that is what tenure is for") is a public ally of the OLPC. I suspect he'll not only invalidate their patent, he'll drive em one step from bankruptcy.

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    1. Re:Boy, did they pick the wrong mark by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Informative

      umm, among US lawyers he's considered a big wheel too ya know. He clerked for Justice Thurgood Marshall. He defended Phil Zimmermann in the investigation of PGP by the spooks in the US government. And he's a tenured law professor. If you're going to take free legal advice from anyone, you could do a heck of a lot worse.

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    2. Re:Boy, did they pick the wrong mark by Alsee · · Score: 1

      he'll drive em one step from bankruptcy

      You mean the company? Or the Nigerian patent office?

      The latter would probably be easier, I doubt the former are run from Yahoo email.

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    3. Re:Boy, did they pick the wrong mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Eben Moglen, invalidator of bioscience patents ... [will] not only invalidate their patent, he'll drive em one step from bankruptcy.

      And then, in a stunning move he'll use the keyboard to lead the court in a rousing refrain of his big 80's hit, O-L-P-C U And Sometimes Y!

      Wait, what? Moglen? Not Ozn? Sorry, bad kraftwerk on my part. Carry on...

    4. Re:Boy, did they pick the wrong mark by swillden · · Score: 1

      I expect Groklaw will jump in to help with the search for prior art. They've been quite effective in that role before.

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  13. If LANCOR wins. . . by idesofmarch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will they demand to be paid via Western Union?

  14. Wow.... by blind+biker · · Score: 2

    The purpose of the OLPC project in Nigeria is not to make a profit, but, basically, charity. OLPC is selling them at a loss there.

    I feel this 1st class douchebaggery.

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    1. Re:Wow.... by d0ida · · Score: 1

      Nice that this comes three days after the Wall Street Journal discloses various financial info on OLPC. See the article at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119586754115002717.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    2. Re:Wow.... by vorpal22 · · Score: 1

      If LANCOR wins, I suggest awarding them a percentage of the Nigerian OLPC "profits".

  15. Re:Could someone explain why they give C&D ord by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

    Like maybe a certain company that got handed its nuts in small brown paper bag recently gave them the idea?

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  16. DEAR SIR by v_1_r_u_5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    LAGOS, NIGERIA.

    ATTENTION: THE PRESIDENT/CEO

    DEAR SIR,

    CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL

    HAVING CONSULTED WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION GATHERED FROM THE NIGERIAN CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE AND INDUSTRY, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO REQUEST FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE TO TRANSFER THE SUM OF $47,500,000.00 (FORTY SEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS) INTO OUR ACCOUNTS. THE ABOVE SUM RESULTED FROM A PATENT INFRINGEMENT LAWSUIT, EXECUTED COMMISSIONED AND PAID FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS (5) AGO BY A FOREIGN CONTRACTOR. THIS ACTION WAS HOWEVER INTENTIONAL AND SINCE THEN THE FUND HAS BEEN IN A SUSPENSE ACCOUNT AT THE CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA APEX BANK.

    WE ARE NOW READY TO RECEIVE THE FUND OVERSEAS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO INFORM YOU THAT AS CIVIL SERVANTS, WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO OPERATE A FOREIGN ACCOUNT; THAT IS WHY WE REQUIRE YOUR ASSISTANCE. THE TOTAL SUM WILL BE SHARED AS FOLLOWS: 70% FOR US, 25% FOR OUR LAWYERS AND 5% FOR LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL EXPENSES INCIDENT TO THE TRANSFER.

    THE TRANSFER IS RISK FREE ON BOTH SIDES. I AM AN ACCOUNTANT WITH THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC). IF YOU FIND THIS PROPOSAL ACCEPTABLE, WE SHALL REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS:

    (A) YOUR BANKER'S NAME, TELEPHONE, ACCOUNT AND FAX NUMBERS.

    (B) YOUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS -- FOR CONFIDENTIALITY AND EASY COMMUNICATION.

    (C) YOUR LETTER-HEADED PAPER STAMPED AND SIGNED.

    ALTERNATIVELY WE WILL FURNISH YOU WITH THE TEXT OF WHAT TO TYPE INTO YOUR LETTER-HEADED PAPER, ALONG WITH A BREAKDOWN EXPLAINING, COMPREHENSIVELY WHAT WE REQUIRE OF YOU. THE BUSINESS WILL TAKE US THIRTY (30) WORKING DAYS TO ACCOMPLISH.

    PLEASE REPLY URGENTLY.

    BEST REGARDS

    1. Re:DEAR SIR by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the social security number, fingerprints, and your computer's password/IP address.

    2. Re:DEAR SIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, thats pretty damn funny.

      or not so much.

  17. It's funny by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    LAUGH!

    zzzzzzzz

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  18. He's in Natick, only 19.2 miles from OLPC! by r00t · · Score: 4, Informative

    1 Timber Lane, Natick, MA, 01760, USA
    phone 339-987-9249, fax 508-647-4702

    Put that into Google maps and have a look.
    It's a house on a 100 foot square lot.

    1. Re:He's in Natick, only 19.2 miles from OLPC! by tehBoris · · Score: 1

      Quickly, let's begin harassing them! Anonymous does not forget! Anonymous does not forgive!

    2. Re:He's in Natick, only 19.2 miles from OLPC! by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      That's unfortunate. And I think it's possible to hurt innocent bystanders too, an annonymous person could just put someone else's phone number there and possibly no one would check first before harrasing them.

    3. Re:He's in Natick, only 19.2 miles from OLPC! by apt142 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's why you got to check first. It goes something like this:

      *ring, ring*
      Home Owner: Hello?
      You: Dent? Arthur Dent?
      HO: Yes, that's me.
      You: Arther Phillip Dent?
      HO: Yes?
      You: You're an arse hole!
      *hang up*

    4. Re:He's in Natick, only 19.2 miles from OLPC! by tehBoris · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah, I didn't see the need for the GP to post the supposed "patent troll's" location. The summary already said that they were based in the US, I didn't see the need for this information (even if false) to be posted, it seemed to me that my (joke) post was implicit in the original posting, so I wrote that silly message calling down teh Internetz hate machine as a way of mocking the act of posting personal information of someone whose actions are scorned in an online community, especially after seeing the reaction to the story of Megan Meier. That said, I must admit that I would have enjoyed seeing some exploding vans.

      But perhaps I misunderstood the original posting, and s/he was just trying to further demonstrate that the company was US-based...

    5. Re:He's in Natick, only 19.2 miles from OLPC! by r00t · · Score: 1

      Why be unfriendly?

      Meet the guy, get to know him, see if he says anything...

      You could even take him out to dinner. You could get him steak, nice red wine, sushi, sake, giant shrimp, some lovely white champagne, cigars with cognac, etc. Have a real friendly chat with him. Get him talking about things. See if he has any pals at Microsoft.

    6. Re:He's in Natick, only 19.2 miles from OLPC! by earlymon · · Score: 1

      That's not even the half of it. I googled the address you gave and got several interesting hits, as it seems there is more than one business there - such as this Microsoft certified partner....

      http://www.bscinternational.com/

      I am not making this up.

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  19. Better yet, just don't send them by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As pointed out in a later post, the OLPC project in Nigeria is basically charity.

    If they continue having problems like this, simply don't send any to them. Let LANCOR explain to the Nigerian government and people how their greed and abuse of patent law is screwing up the education of Nigeria's children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors.

    1. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative
      As pointed out in a later post, the OLPC project in Nigeria is basically charity.

      In a related article, Gerald Ilukwe, the general manager of Microsoft Nigeria, said that the cost of software is not important, even though he admitted that the average annual salary in the West African country is only $160...

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    2. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by duggi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I don't understand the point in giving a laptop to a child yet.

      screwing up the education of Nigeria's children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors. Seriously, Can anybody explain why laptops are so essential for education? Forget laptops, we were not supposed to use even calculators for those lengthy calculations in chemistry in out Undergrad entrance exam. Why then, are laptops so crucial for a child future? Figure this out: I am trying to solve a 1st order differential equation, I would like a pencil and a paper to work this out. NOT a laptop. I cannot how a 10 year old is going to learn maths or chemistry (for that matter, his local language) in a laptop.
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    3. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's like having access to a huge library and the telephone numbers of hundreds of willing teachers.

    4. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let LANCOR explain to the Nigerian government and people how their greed and abuse of patent law is screwing up the education of Nigeria's children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors.
      that assumes the Nigerian government cares in the first place, they are after all a major part of the problem in regard to education in Nigeria.
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    5. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by samwichse · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know that this company is actually abusing patent law. It seems like they have an actual invention (a type of keyboard + software that makes it easier to type in "weird" characters). The article even clearly points out that they have a product with this feature they sell.

      Is that a patent troll? Doesn't sound like it.

      I'm not sure about their choice of targets or especially their heavyhanded response to a charity organization though. I can only see this gaining them significant negative publicity and potentially torpedoing a good project.

      Product Link

    6. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      their greed and abuse of patent law is screwing up the education of Nigeria's children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors.

      Naive Citizen of the World... You have NO awareness of geopolitics!

      If they haven't bribed them, then LANCOR might well be a part of the government.

      Nigeria's government will reward LANCOR for keeping their people enslaved to warlords as prostitutes and child "soldiers".

    7. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also don't see a 10 year-old doing differential equations of any order, linear or not, homogeneous or not.

      Granted, some parts of education is better off without the technology, but availability of technology doesn't hurt ... for the most part. i.e. So, you are not allowed calculators in your exams---how about if your professor told you you couldn't have them for your homework either?

    8. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > I am trying to solve a 1st order differential equation, I would like a pencil and a paper to work this out.

      The equation is: dx/dt = x + cos(x * t)*sin(x + t)

      Good luck. The reality is that the vast majority of 1st order differential equations cannot be solved with pencil and paper, and using numerical algorithms on computers is the best and most general way to solve them.

      But even without this, you're totally missing the point. The student's computer wouldn't be solving the equation for him; it would be teaching him how to solve it. I'm not an educational professional, but I suppose one way might be to

      • present a (simple, pencil-and-paper solvable) problem to him, asking him to choose the answer from a list
      • based on his choice, either pat him on the back for being right or show him an explanation of why he was wrong

      > I cannot how a 10 year old is going to learn maths or chemistry (for that matter, his local language) in a laptop.

      Leave teaching to teaching professionals. They seem to think computers are useful tools in their trade.

    9. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by initialE · · Score: 1

      simply don't send any to them

      If you do that, then they win. Big business and the nigerian government would arguably prefer their children kept ignorant and poor thank you very much.

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    10. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by duggi · · Score: 0, Troll

      As I recall many sleepless nights, I wasn't "allowed" to use calculator. I sometimes tried to be honest, but most of the time, I wasn't. The point I am trying to make is that laptops are not necessary for elementary education. In some subjects it might hamper the growth of a student too. The pro's , if any, could be satisfied by having a computer lab. Similar to a library. The points in replies to my post haven't convinced me of a necessity , and no literature on the net I have read till now did. I still think it is a total waste of effort and goodwill.

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    11. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by foobsr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the cost of software is not important, even though he admitted that the average annual salary in the West African country is only $160

      /cynical True, because no one can afford the hardware in the first place,

      CC.

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    12. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by foobsr · · Score: 1

      The pro's , if any, could be satisfied by having a computer lab

      True, but that would also perhaps promote getting aquainted to effects of joint effort to an unwanted degree, whereas the one laptap per individual model does much less so.

      I am not stating that there is any conscious intention leading to the situation.

      CC.

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    13. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But this is what is wrong with patents, the chances of two people having the same idea aren't that slim.

      Patents were invented to protect break through designs which took a lot of time and money from being copied. Two people having the same idea isn't copying.

      The Television was developed by three different people, if Baird had patented it we may have been using mechanical TV for decades.

    14. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ignorance is not bliss. Consider this one simple fact, try carrying around the required number of text books, reference books and general education books, then try carrying one dvd that could not only contain all the information in those books but provide accompanying multi media. Off course if you want to save carrying around a few hundred kilograms of dead wood you will need a kilogram or so of silicon and plastic to read that disc.

      Even as you unthinkingly type your post, you would willingly deny people who can not afford to do the same the opportunity of sharing knowledge, beliefs and understanding from around the world. By the way, the laptop can also be used in the first and second world. It is not a third world computer, it is a computer targeted as an educational tool for children from around the world and the more sold the cheaper it becomes.

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    15. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by iainl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's the date on the patent, though? This sounds no different to what the Sinclair Spectrum was doing with its multiple shift keys 25 years ago.

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    16. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Let's try to replace some words...

      As pointed out in a later post, the Linux project in USA is basically charity.

      If they continue having problems like this, simply don't send any to them. Let SCO explain to the US government and people how their greed and abuse of patent law is screwing up the education of US children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors.

      What's my point ? Nigeria is not one big boat with every people concerned about youth education. It is full of normal greedy humans including soulless lawyers. The OLPC project mentality is that Nigerian kids are like our kids, they desserve education, no matter how much greedy people try to interfere. In other words : OLPC, stand strong ! Show the absurdity of the situation but fight it! Don't fall back !

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    17. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by eh2o · · Score: 1

      Looks like one presses ctrl+shift (or equivalent) then some key indicating which accent you want, which induces a modal change. The next character typed acquires the selected accent. This avoids the need to have an accented version of each character, which would be way too many keys for a multi-lingual setup.

      The XO's layouts appear to have the same generic accenting facility, though their layout is totally different.

      Overall the feature is not all that different from the modal use of formatting such as subscript and superscript, except those are not usually labeled, and don't automatically switch back to the default mode after one character. However, I'd guess that many engineers would come up with the same solution in isolation.

      Actually it would be nice to have this on standard US keyboards also; it would make it easier to type the occasional email in French or whatever.

    18. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1

      You assume that the kids will have access to a knowledgeable teacher. They may not. Kids ask "why?" a lot because they want to know how things fit into their world. Lacking libraries and well-educated teachers, the answer will often be "I don't know". With OLPC, the answer could be "Look it up on your laptop."

    19. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by todd1000 · · Score: 1

      I grew up back in a time when we didn't have computers. When I was at university, we used computers, but certainly not for most of our education. I do know calculus (or did, I don't use it much now other than understanding physics stuff that I read about). I do not see how a computer helps. If you get it, for the most part a calculator cannot help. If you learn how to plug an equation into a computer and get an answer, you are not learning anything. Anyone can do that, but they will not understand the results. In my exams, we where allowed to use a calculator that could not store formulas, etc. I didn't even use it. If I figure out the answer, but ultimately mistakenly do 1+1=3, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that you understand it. As per usual for a /. reader, I didn't read TFA, but if they are holding this thing back with patent shit, they should go fuck themselves. Is MS behind it? (That was my first thought)

    20. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by pipatron · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use this on my Thinkpad in Ubuntu. Pressing for example ^ while holding down the right Alt, enters the "put a ^ on the next character" mode. Right Alt + " + o gives ö. I think it's called "Compose" or something.

      Pretty much necessary since I'm Swedish but I want a US keyboard since the retards that decided where to relocate all the keys necessary for programming placed them so you had to break your fingers to access the [ ] { } / \ | when you use a Swedish layout...

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    21. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by EddyPearson · · Score: 1

      "Microsoft is not a helicopter dropping relief materials; we're there in the field."

      Yeah, out there in the fields trying to sell bandages to the wounded who can't afford them...

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    22. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      the larger the worlds population the smaller the chance that you have an orginal thought. And with the number of people being networked it is more and more becoming a matter of who can reach the patent office first rather than who should be credited with an 'invention'.

      Try coming up with something TRUELY original that stands by itself.

      I have the illustrious honour of being 'credited' with 'inventing' the live streaming webcam, but in reality there isn't much to that 'invention', it's just a bunch of code written around the jpeg 6 and the socket library, both of which are a lot more complicated than my 'glue'. Add to that the fact that the 'player' is the browser and there isn't much left of an 'invention' to claim at all. So what if I was the first, I figure that thousands of people have written code like that by now. That doesn't mean I'm happy with those that blatanty ripped off the code but hey, that's the internet for you, shit like that simply happens.

    23. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's like having access to a huge library and the telephone numbers of hundreds of willing teachers.
      Yeah, a library full of books written in ancient Greek and Egyptian hieroglyphs, and mostly Roman teachers :)

      Unfortunately, most third world kids don't speak the main language of the net, and won't have much use for what's currently on it. Actually, that's probably a good thing...

    24. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by rbanffy · · Score: 4, Informative

      In other news, Microsoft will announce the licensing LANCOR keyboard input-method technology that is scheduled to be included in future versions of Windows. The amount being paid will not be disclosed, but we will all suspect it will be enough to fund these trolls for years.

      IIRC the MIT Lisp machines had keyboards with "hyper", "super", "meta" and "greek" shift keys. That should be considered enough prior art (although I don't know if Nigerian law agrees with that).

    25. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by somersault · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean out there stabbing everyone that isn't wounded, and then stealing their boots :P Any bandages Microsoft have are going to be infected anyway

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    26. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Its all wasted. The average IQ of Nigeria hovers around 60 points or so. IQ is innate, so the laptop will not change it.
      1. That's all the more reason to have better sources to information, to attempt to fill gaps in knowledge and ability.
      2. As soon as you enter education into a society, then intelligence becomes a major factor in who becomes successful or not, so cultural and biological evolution should not-too-slowly follow (and then, of course, promotion of higher IQs etc).
      3. IQ test results won't necessarily measure true potential, since most of the more intelligent people will be under-stimulated.
      4. I doubt any significant IQ testing was done anyway, considering we only have your cheap-as-dirt AC word for it, and that the funds for such testing would be best spent on other things.
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    27. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Linux has supported this since way back. On RH 7 they called it "deadkeys", if you typed a " it would wait and if the next key was valid with an umlaut that's what you got. Early Psions had something where Fn-slash e gave é - later ones used some less intuitive meachanism.

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    28. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Christian+Smith · · Score: 1

      My sinclair spectrum of 25 years ago had multiple shift keys. Prior art if ever I saw it.

    29. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Let LANCOR explain to the Nigerian government and people how their greed and abuse of patent law is screwing up the education of Nigeria's children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors. Yeah, I'm sure the Nigerian public will be outraged that someone powerful is making money in a way that ruins the country. Once they are aware of it, the media outcry will shame LANCOR into backing down.

      http://www.africaeconomicanalysis.org/articles/gen/corruptiondikehtm.html
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    30. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Sinclair ZX Spectrum has multiple shift keys, too.

    31. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      It's like having access to a huge library and the telephone numbers of hundreds of willing teachers. All for the bargain price of a year's salary.
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    32. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by bogwoppit · · Score: 1

      I think that's a little unfair on the company. It sounds like they have a patent protecting a technology, and that patent is being infringed. The allegation is that OLPC bought some of these keyboards and then reverse engineered them (rather than licensing the technology). Sounds like infringement to me. Whether the infringement is by a charity is frankly irrelevant.

      How would you feel if you spent a lot of money on something (say a house), and then somebody stole it from you?
      Would the fact that they then gave it away to somebody else change how you feel?

      If there is no infringement, OLPC can successfully defend the litigation. The only criticism I can offer is that perhaps more effort could have been made to reach a licensing agreement.

    33. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      IQ is also woefully inaccurate in cases like this, because of the cultural bias of the tests.

    34. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by thebjorn · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      (3b) Nobody knows what intelligence is, except that "it is what is measured on an IQ test", and what, then, is an IQ test? "Oh, it's a test that measures Intelligence Quotients!" (definition-by-infinite-recursion).

      Since we don't know what IQ is, it follows that we cannot know whether it is innate or not. IQ test scores tend to be stable for a person over time, but that is correlation not necessarily causation.

      -- bjorn
      (my IQ scores could get me into Mensa, but I've had to rely on my looks to get a date ;-)

    35. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by beh · · Score: 1

      How is this 'insightful'?

      If the rule of law is not enforced in a country, should that really mean we should abuse it as well (i.e. sink down to their level)?

      I can go with the suggestion of stopping the delivery of OLPC systems to Nigeria because of this - but simply ignoring the law is not the answer if in some time we would wish for their judicial system to become more effective. Or do you think we Westerners could really make a good case for proper law enforcement, if we chose to bypass it ourselves just for some mere convenience?
      If 'we' should choose to bypass it for ANY issue, then forget about an end to Nigerian scams and similar issues, because they won't have any initiative in sorting out their law enforcement.

      Besides, in the mid to long term, any road block in their education (say through the lack of the educational material in the OLPC), will also ensure that nothing will change for the better (ignorance begets ignorance?)...

    36. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...because of the cultural bias of the tests.

      "If Quxm!wklc!p has 3 cups of rice and no bullets, and "Starvin' Marvin" has 3 clips of bullets and no rice, who's going to have the most rice 30 seconds from now? And for extra credit: at what rate will he acquire it?"

    37. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sinclair ZX Spectrum has multiple shift keys, too. So do most computers (in effect)- they're called CTRL, ALT, etc.
    38. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Is that a patent troll? Doesn't sound like it.
      On slashdot, anyone trying to defend a patent is called a patent troll.
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    39. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apart from containing the words "Nigeria" and "software" how is that article related?

    40. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Where are they going to get all these books from? I haven't been able to find very many up-to-date and legally obtainable textbooks on the internet, so you can strike that off. There's probably sources where you could find a lot of information, but you'd have to scrounge around quite a bit to get the whole picture. I think one thing that would really bring this project to it's full potential is for some publishing company to include a bunch of digital textbooks on the laptop, so that they could actually learn, instead of being left to scrounge around on the internet for answers.

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    41. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      They are abusing law, because it is a Design patent, not an invention patent. As in the physical design. Think there's prior art out there for changing the letters on a keyboard via putting stickers on it? or the french canadian keyboardS? hmmm.

      So yes, patent troll. Follow the money, I'm sure the MS or IBM is involved due to obvious competitive reasons.

    42. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      The question is, whether the Nigerian government really cares that much. The company in Nigeria probably cares more about their pockets than their own compatriots. I don't think that's unique to Nigeria though, every country has that kind of element.

    43. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by nicklott · · Score: 1, Insightful
      WTF? did I miss something? What do microsoft have to do with this? And how did this get to +5?

      While suing a charity is not a very nice thing to do and generally isn't good PR, this doesn't actually seem to be a patent troll. LANCOR do actually make real things and OLPC did buy some of those things and some features from those things appeared in OLPC's things. Seems to me to be exactly the kind of case that patent law was invented for.

      Whether the claim has merit or not is up to the court but it clearly isn't spurious. And implying Microsoft have something to do with it is just plain slander.

    44. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

      So the question becomes what is claimed novel about the invention?

      It's not the modality of the input -- thats a very old idea to anybody who remembers the non-gui interfaces.

      For example, in Emacs the sequence control-x, 8 means the next character is interpreted in "Compose Character Mode" -- a mode that seems to be a superset of the mechanism in question. In ISO Accents mode the various modifiers work more or less as described in the invention.

      So it can't be using the keyboard modally to insert characters that is novel. Nor is the idea of special additional keys that can be used in combination to alter modes (e.g., the alt key).

      So the only potential thing left is dedicating a key specifically to this function.

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    45. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by EL_mal0 · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstood what the gp was saying. He's not saying that ignorance is bliss. He's not even saying that technology is evil. What he is saying is that there are many things that can (should?) be learned on paper before bringing computers/calculators into the mix. Technology is not a magical solution to educational problems.

      The ability to store hundreds of books on these computers, which you pointed out, is a huge advantage, and I think that this is the real strength of the OLPC concept. In this case it isn't that nifty technological tricks are impmroving the learning process, but they are providing the foundation for any learning to take place.

      I really hope that the teachers who end up with these computers use them effectively. Give a bunch of new computers to teachers here in the states and students end up spending as much time learning the tricks of working with the computer as they do learning the curriculum. The book "The Flickering Mind" is an interesting read, and one that is relevant to this discussion.

    46. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, most third world kids don't speak the main language of the net, and won't have much use for what's currently on it. Actually, that's probably a good thing...


      The whole point of being a student is to not have much use for the status quo, and to have a desire to expand upon it.

      Henry Ford (I think) said that if you'd asked American consumers in the 1900's what they'd wanted, they'd have answered, "A faster horse." For whatever faults they had, he and his contemporaries were dissatisfied with the status quo then.

      Perhaps with the OLPC product, we can have a new generation of people from a previously un-heard-from part of the world, asking questions like, "Do we really need this? What if we try...?" The Nigerian government would be well-advised to consider this.
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    47. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    48. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by nomadic · · Score: 1

      . Let LANCOR explain to the Nigerian government and people how their greed and abuse of patent law is screwing up the education of Nigeria's children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors.

      Just out of curiousity...If the OLPC project was violating the GPL, and the FSF brought a lawsuit against them, would everyone here be blasting them as well?

      I don't know the facts of the situation, but if I was a Nigerian inventor and the OLPC, which is funded by some of the wealthiest corporations in the world, stole my ideas I'd be a little annoyed too.

    49. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a VT520 serial terminal which has a dedicated key labeled "Compose". I believe that it was the VT series of terminals where the feature which Emacs (and I think the X windowing system too) emulates. That should predate this patent.

    50. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      No teacher would ever say "I don't know".

      "Go sit in the corner" is a much more likely reply.

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    51. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by moosesocks · · Score: 0

      Will the OLPCs actually ship with these mythical free textbooks and reference materials that people keep talking about?

      For that matter, where can I get them, or where can my budget-starved school district get them? I'm pretty sick of shelling out $300 per semester for textbooks.

      Apart from Wikipedia, the number of *GOOD* free textbooks to my knowledge is pretty close to zero. Reduce that number even further if you want them in a language other than English.

      I agree with the Grandparent poster. We *should* be helping Africa out, and I loudly applaud efforts to do so. However, giving laptops to 8-year-olds isn't the best way to go about doing this. It was very clear from the start that the people behind the project were in it for their own egos.

      Is multimedia really helpful for teaching basic reading and math? If it is indeed helpful, wouldn't it make more sense to give one laptop to every teacher instead? With the OLPC, children can um... paint... and share notes (and their paintings) via the mesh network. How is this useful again?

      If you want to accuse anybody of ignorance, I'd go after the founders of the project, and the people who have been blindly cheering them on from the start. The fact that we haven't seen similar initiatives work in the US or Europe (where there is a considerably larger economic and technological base) should be pretty convincing evidence that this was a bad idea.

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    52. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      In other news, Microsoft will announce the licensing LANCOR keyboard input-method technology that is scheduled to be included in future versions of Windows

      Lol. SCO joke? Whoosh? None of the above? Haven't slept yet...

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    53. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by dedalus2000 · · Score: 1

      isn't IBM involved in the OLPC project? do you mean Intel?

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    54. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by MrHanky · · Score: 3, Informative

      One would imagine Nigerian schoolchildren are taught Nigeria's official language, English.

    55. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      What's the date on the patent, though? This sounds no different to what the Sinclair Spectrum was doing with its multiple shift keys 25 years ago.
      People, US law and "prior art" are irrelevant here. This is *not* a US patent, it's a Nigerian patent, to be decided in Nigerian courts. Who will almost certainly favor the Nigerian company.
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    56. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure adding more shift keys is all that unique of an invention. Since the first typewriter anything with a physical or virtual keyboard has had shift keys and added fn, control, alt and other keys to allow even more use of a limited # of keys. Cellphones have "sym" keys to allow access to alternate character sets altogether. Seems like prior art should easily be found in this case.

    57. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      yes, thank you for the correction. Early morning stupids.

    58. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by MartinB · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, most third world kids don't speak the main language of the net
      Most US kids don't speak Chinese either.
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    59. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by jc42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know that this company is actually abusing patent law. It seems like they have an actual invention (a type of keyboard + software that makes it easier to type in "weird" characters).

      The descriptions of their keyboard, including this larger image, aren't too convincing. What they seem to have "invented" is the idea of adding a fifth "Ng" shift key to the conventional four (Shift, Ctrl, logo, Alt). They gave it somewhat unusual placement, stealing space from the usual Shift keys (and making them smaller).

      But keyboards with five shift keys are hardly novel. I'm typing this on a 4-year-old Mac Powerbook, which has five shift keys (shift, fn, ctrl, alt/option, logo/cmd) at the lower left corner. The Mac puts all but the shift keys in the lower row, stealing space from the space bar

      So what did they actually "invent"? Putting extra shift keys next to the usual "shift" keys? Inventing a new "Ng" label to paint on the key? Using a new keycode for the new keys?

      Keyboards have been made with more than five shift keys, too.

      The obvious conjecture is that this is yet another attempt to either extort money from the OLPC project, or to bankrupt it through litigation. Or maybe to just block its use in Nigeria, similar to the Microsoft bribe attempt discussed here last week.

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    60. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, most third world kids don't speak the main language of the net

      Obviously, you sprang as a fully-formed, English-speaking adult out of Zeus's forehead or something. Or not. No, instead you're just a dumbass who doesn't realize that children can learn, and moreover that the entire point of the OLPC project is learning, and that contrary to what you might think the children are most likely capable of learning English along with everything else!

      Tell you what, read this: India: Hole-in-the-Wall. Then try telling me language is a real barrier!

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    61. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by PolR · · Score: 1

      The Canadian Multinational Standard keyboard has been doing this for more than a decade. It has been supported in the OS since Windows 95.

    62. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by hedwards · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been puzzling over how this company could possibly have a patent on dead keys, and yet only now after however many decades of computers having dead keys is suing a charity.

      Referring to dead keys, and presumably additional silk screening as an advanced multi language keyboard, is a little like referring to congress as an advanced noise machine. Sure the keyboards do have additional features, and congress does make noise, but in neither case is it particularly unique.

    63. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience the number of *good* free text books not involved with Wikipedia is infinity billion greater. It's just that most of them are for university-level mathematics and physics.

      It's interesting how much more willing computer programmers and mathematicians are to give their work away for free than almost every other discipline.

    64. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by sjames · · Score: 1

      If patents were regarded properly in law, two people coming up with the same invention independantly would be taken as evidence that the patent was issued in error in the first place. How non-obvious could it be if several people have exactly the same thought?

      Further, in spite of patent supporters talk of allowing inventors to enjoy the fruits of their labors, it seems that far too frequently patents are being used to steal the fruits of other people's labors instead. It seems that in a just world, independant inventors who end up entangled in an expensive patent battle should be able to sue the responsable patent office for malpractice.

      At least in the case of the USPTO, where the operating budget is derived from patent fees, perhaps facing real economic consequences for ignoring their mission in order to effectively print money would do more than any new law to make them appropriatly selective in the patents they grant.

    65. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well... I was aiming for "Funny", not "Informative".

      Anyway, you always have to think what a person/company stands to gain from an action like this. The XO is not a direct competitor of none of their products. They make keyboards and software that goes with them, while the XO is a computer governments buy for students.

      Unless government purchases for schools is a significant market niche for them (I assume they sell to OEMs that, in turn, sell computers to the government - a business that would remain untouched by the XO), there is no reason for this lawsuit. The company stands to gain nothing directly from halting sales of the XO to Nigerian government.

      When we start to consider this as a proxy stunt (because it is not in LANCOR's best interest to pursue it - they will spend money and, probably, get nothing but bad will in return), we end up with another question: if not LANCOR, who stands to gain from it? This is the point you can fit your preferred conspiracy theory.

      BTW, everything relating to this sounds _very_ fishy - no real data as on what the patents are about, a perceived abundance of prior art and a probably non-infringing XO all point to a maneuver to divert business from one group to another by creating a temporary legal uncertainty. It smells really, really bad.

      If proved without merit, OLPC should counter-sue them into oblivion.

    66. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but key functions were dependent on context.

      For instance, when you were beginning a command line, numbers were numbers, but letters were BASIC keywords, like LIST or PRINT. After the keyword, typing was, more or less, free until an end of command when BASIC keywords would be back as the default function.

      It's kind of hard to explain to the other readers (you obviously know what I am talking about). They will have to grab a Sinclair ZX emulator (I had one in my deceased Sony Ericsson P-800) and try it.

    67. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Cosmic+AC · · Score: 1

      Sally Struthers.

    68. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Monchanger · · Score: 1

      Are you from Nigeria and have expertise in Nigerian patent law, or are you just providing an uninformed ass' opinion?

      If (and this is a huge if) Nigerian patent law actually ignores prior art, and ignores foreign patents, I would assume the system isn't designed very well, and its enforcement arm is weak. Countries that don't abide by general conventions such as patents don't get much leverage on foreign entities. In this case, given that development of the laptops was done in the US I don't see what OLPC has to worry about other than the FUD this story generates.

      The more likely possibility is that Nigerian law both recognizes US patents and has the prior-art and non-obvious requirements. In this case, the lawsuit will surely be thrown out, since multilingual keyboards have been around for a long time and there's nothing novel about using multiple shift keys.

    69. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason the XO laptops are being sent to these developing nations is because they don't have the facilities to run a computer lab (or library for that matter). It's essentially providing them with a portable computer lab that can be used without being plugged in. To put it simply: it's a cheap computer that can be used in the desert without an electrical outlet.

      http://www.laptop.org/en/children/learning/
      Seems like most of you need to do some research before responding.

    70. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Tore+S+B · · Score: 1

      Let LANCOR explain to the Nigerian government and people how their greed and abuse of patent law is screwing up the education of Nigeria's children and putting them at a serious disadvantage to the country's neighbors.

      That doesn't matter terribly much to the Nigerian government, since all the kids of the high-ups are in European and American private schools, anyway.

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    71. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Tore+S+B · · Score: 1

      Completely standard Norwegian PC keyboards have used (two) dead keys since the early eighties. I think many other European countries have them too.

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    72. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      According to various sources, the Nigerian population is about 130 million, and English is spoken by about 15 million people , with another 30 million speaking some kind of pidgin English. That's not even half the population. From this link:

      Federal Republic of Nigeria. National or official languages: Edo, Efik, Adamawa Fulfulde, Hausa, Idoma, Igbo, Yerwa Kanuri, Yoruba, English. 106,409,000 (1998 UN). Literacy rate 42% to 51%.

    73. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      Have you read the article you linked to? Here's an excerpt:

      By computer literacy, I mean what we adults define as computer literacy: The ability to use the mouse, to point, to drag, to drop, to copy, and to browse the Internet.
      Nowhere does the article actually claim any sort of comprehension or interaction at the semantic level. The slum kids simply press buttons, and the screen changes, draws pictures, and shows images. It's a cargo cult, a function of how easy programs and functions are to find by trial and error.

      Of course making the "right" kind of things easy to find is the whole point of the desktop wars we've had for years.

      But actually learning independent facts, reading books, emailing people (which is what the OP was claiming)? That requires actual literacy and won't happen simply by randomly pressing buttons and jiggling the mouse.

    74. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      I'll see your ZX Spectrum and raise you a ZX80, that's 27 years right there.

    75. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about including that one, but I figured there'd be some /.ers out there who'd read it as anti-elitist (which is a no-no when speaking to the self-proclaimed elite). Judging by the differences in our moderations, I'd say that's what happened.

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    76. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It hadda happen - I mention Starvin' Marvin and somebody brings up the second-best character in the episode! :)

    77. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by serge587 · · Score: 1

      did he actually mean price or indeed cost?

    78. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      How to point out the stupidity of your statement, which is cheaper to produce, free dead tree textbooks or free digitised textbooks, either cd or DVD. In a third or second world situation given a scanner and blank cds/dvds, I would not have a single qualm about producing as many cd/dvd as were required for a class, quite simply in that situation fuck greed and copyright (no could I afford to do that with dead trees).

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    79. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be too sure about that. I imagine that the cost of doing printing books the old-fashioned way in Africa isn't all that high (lots of trees, and lots of cheap labor). Sure, I won't argue that pressing a CD itself is going to be cheaper than printing a book under any circumstance, but you could buy a fairly large pile of textbooks for the price of an OLPC, and each of those books could simultaneously be used by a different student.

      Also, where are these CDs and DVDs full of pirated textbooks? Do *THESE* even actually exist? Now that we've progressed into the territory of the blatantly illegal, I imagine that government support for these projects (especially *foreign* government support) is going to wane considerably.

      I also sincerely doubt (though I'd love to be proven wrong) that the OLPC is going to be teaching anyone calculus. The target market (based upon the way the OS and bundled apps look) is clearly intended for primary education. In this area, the teacher is going to have far more influence over whether a class is successful or not than any laptop or textbook ever will.

      I stand by my original statement. Make sure there are enough teachers. Send laptops to those teachers. For the students, send over a huge stack of printing presses, and work out an arrangement with the publishers that allows them to print the books at substantially reduced royalties (this is already done in India and other parts of the world, and has proven to be worthwhile for everybody involved).

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    80. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      It's probably Microsoft doing this; another stab at something good - Non-Profit companies, Open Source/Linux... They funded the shit out of SCO even though they had no case, and they're probably funding these guys. And even after it all comes to light, the Digg fanboys will STILL love Microsoft.

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    81. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Mod'ed a troll. No surprise there. Your preaching against one of the liberal /. crowds pet projects. I've been pointing this out in one form or another since it start and I'm always called a troll or flamebait for it.

      Quick answer to your question, It's not. It just runs linux and that is good enough for most. They think linux is the end all be all answer to everything. The people don't have the education to use these. They don't need them. What they need is a far more basic education. Like how to keep their water supply clean and not breed so many people that they can't feed them. That fucking a 2 year old won't cure AIDS and AIDS is not caused by evil spirts no matter what the witchdoctor tells you.

      So what you think I'll get moded? Troll, flamebait, overrated....

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    82. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Descalzo · · Score: 1
      I don't know.

      There. You've just experienced something new! (I teach 4th grade)

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    83. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by tashammer · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, trees are not that plentiful with much of Africa being covered in desert in the north and in other parts, e.g. north west South Africa; then vast areas of savannah. Where there is wood available the forms that it comes in do not lend themselves to paper, e.g. spindly scrub. Much cooking is done on wood and/or animal droppings fires. Another concern is for storage of materials as in concrete block schools, no cupboards and only just enough money for the concrete blocks.

    84. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      That is bullshit. This is Nigeria. The most corrupt country on the planet. I doubt there is even a patent before today. More likely some scam artist came up with this shit and bribed some goberment offical to back date the patent.

      The best thing the olpc could do would simply ignore it and just don't do business in Nigeria.

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    85. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Brilliant.

      Let's send laptops to a region that can barely afford concrete blocks. It's foolproof!

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    86. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by mathew7 · · Score: 1

      I think it's the "paperless" idea/solution (maybe a push towards paperless office for next generation). The less paper is used, the more trees are left standing. Although I think the wood burning still uses more wood than papers. Oh wait, in ecuatorian countries, they do not need to generate heat (at least much less than northern/southern countries).

    87. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Seems to me to be exactly the kind of case that patent law was invented for.

      Then why's he suing for copyright infringement?

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    88. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by RiffRafff · · Score: 1

      Like the Nigerian government would give a rat's ass about this.

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    89. Re:Better yet, just don't send them by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      1) Computers have keyboards.
      2) A product that is intended purchased in bulk for widespread use by the public isn't a "niche."

  20. If this helps by GrEp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some keyboard internationalization research I did a few years back:

    http://www.public.iastate.edu/~crb002/ie574final.pdf

    I bet it kicks their designs all the way to Timbuktu, which isn't too far from Nigeria :)

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    1. Re:If this helps by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      From your research paper:

      For evaluation we focus on two classes of typists. The first will be English language authors. For this corpus we will use the complete works of Shakespeare[27] from Project Gutenberg [23].

      Forsooth! I have sampled of thy research and verily did I find thy conclusions most useful to my plight. 'Tis now true that I can express my pose with heretofore unimagineable prolificity.

      Hast though more learning that though mayst enlighten vs* further? I should, sir, be forever indebted to thy humble seruice.*

      HAL.

      Prior to the modern period (Shakespeare spoke/wrote Middle English, not Modern English), the letter v was simply a variant form of u, vsed when the the sentence was begun with "v" or "u". It neuer appeared inside a word. Even as a corpus of Middle English, your corpus was inualid, as the Gutenberg version was "corrected"/"reuersioned" by some editor, vnthinking of the fact that Middle English is a different language from modern English.

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    2. Re:If this helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chad, stop reading slashdot.

      Sean Fritz

    3. Re:If this helps by Ougarou · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I've contacted LANCOR and got the following helpfull extra information from them. Probably good for anybody who would like to research this and form an opinion: start quote
      Thank you for contacting us on the subject matter of OLPC.
      I will suggest that you do the following steps below and you will come to the same conclusion our investigators and lawyers did... OLPC stole IP from LANCOR.
      1. Check the first keyboard layout released with the XO laptop before August 2006.
      2. Take it from us that OLPC purchased our keyboards sometime in August 2006.
      3. Now go to OLPC's http://dev.laptop.org/query and follow the development of OLPC's new set of keyboard layouts and driver. (Take note of the first day this development started.
      4. Check for OLPC's new XO keyboard layout used at the CES 2007 show.
      5. Now go to OLPC's wiki.laptop.org and again follow the postings of information about their keyboard layout development and key date changes were made.
      6. Now when you have all these info collated, call OLPC and ask why they choose to remove the keyboard layouts used in the CES 2007 XO model after September 2007.
      7. See if you can put together all the various versions of OLPC keyboard layouts and match them to events you discovered from their query database.
      end quote
  21. If we want to win some hearts and minds in the by multiplexo · · Score: 1

    middle east we could buy 50 or 60 million of these and spread them out in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Oh, and send a few million to Cuba and Venezuela too.

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    1. Re:If we want to win some hearts and minds in the by StarWreck · · Score: 0, Redundant

      that would be pretty funny. We'd give 50 or 60 million OLPC's to the children of the poorer middle eastern countries. The laptops would promptly be stolen by extremists from the children. The extremists would also promptly kill the parents of the children and then recruit the children to become suicide bombers.
       
        Then for the next 6 months the extremists would try to figure out how to use the OLPC's to post hate speech on the internet or how to turn them into missile navigation systems. In the end, they would only be able to figure out how to draw kitties in the included paint program. They're not very smart but they'll still enjoy the poorly drawn kitties.

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    2. Re:If we want to win some hearts and minds in the by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'd learn about open source and commit a jihad on Microsoft, we can't lose!!

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  22. what this is by r00t · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of all, it's a design patent. It's not a utility patent. Design patents are used for stuff like the flowers on the handles of your silverware. (why that isn't done with copyright I don't know) Design patent rules are different from utility patent rules.

    It's about using two extra shift keys for the non-ASCII characters. On his keyboard, he calls them "Shift2" and "Ng". This is a nice way to do languages that use the latin alphabet with a few abnormal extra characters.

    It's not like the mode switch key used for Arabic. There, you press the key once to switch modes. (more like a caps lock)

    It's not like the dead keys often used for European accents. There, you press an accent key followed by a letter key. The accent key does nothing until you press the letter.

    It's not like the combining accent keys used in Microsoft Word. There, you press the accent key after the letter key. (so the software must display your "A" before knowing if it needs an accent)

    It's not like the fancy stuff used for Chinese, etc.

    He's claiming that two keyboard layouts are in violation. The first one is Nigerian, now used for all of western Africa. The second one is "US International", which is QWERTY plus stuff like the Euro and various odds and ends.

    1. Re:what this is by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's about using two extra shift keys for the non-ASCII characters. On his keyboard, he calls them "Shift2" and "Ng". This is a nice way to do languages that use the latin alphabet with a few abnormal extra characters.

      It's not like ...

      It's not like ...

      It's not like...

      It's not like ...


      But it *is* like CTRL and ALT, except that they're just for generating characters rather than calling arbitrary functions.

      (Btw, anyone who refers to a new interface for accessing more characters from the same keys as "technology" is an idiot.)

    2. Re:what this is by supervillainsf · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly (it's been close to 10 years since I used one) even the IBM Wheelwriter electric typewriter has similar functionality for special characters. I think they called it the code key. Plus, since you obviously looked at the website, it should have been obvious that the photo of each regions keyboard is the same with some hackitty hack hack photoshop work done on it to hide the characters that are not available on that "model". Furthermore, it looks surprisingly similar to a keyboard I used with my DX66 in 93/94, obviously without the extra shift keys, but with most of the same special characters printed on it and available via other modifier key combinations.

    3. Re:what this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...
      It's not like the dead keys often used for European accents. There, you press an accent key followed by a letter key. The accent key does nothing until you press the letter. ... With your "it's not likes" were you looking for AltGr ?
    4. Re:what this is by foobsr · · Score: 1

      But it *is* like CTRL and ALT,

      A 'space cadet keyboard' can still be patented in the US, e.g. USP 6885315, "The present invention relates to a keyboard having special keys provided thereon, and more particularly to a keyboard that enables a user to perform professional and convenient operation or document editing directly under a computer operating system without the need of memorizing and combining multiple keys or using a mouse as an aid."
      http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6885315-description.html
      filed 2002-04-08, Issued on April 26, 2005

      That is, 'when the inmates run the asylum'.

      CC.

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    5. Re:what this is by rxmd · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's about using two extra shift keys for the non-ASCII characters. On his keyboard, he calls them "Shift2" and "Ng". This is a nice way to do languages that use the latin alphabet with a few abnormal extra characters.

      It's not like the mode switch key used for Arabic. There, you press the key once to switch modes. (more like a caps lock)

      It's not like the dead keys often used for European accents. There, you press an accent key followed by a letter key. The accent key does nothing until you press the letter.

      It's not like the combining accent keys used in Microsoft Word. There, you press the accent key after the letter key. (so the software must display your "A" before knowing if it needs an accent)

      It's not like the fancy stuff used for Chinese, etc.

      It is like the use of the right Alt key on European keyboards to get extra accented characters. The key is called "Alt Gr" on many European keyboards. On a German keyboard, you press Alt Gr + some other key to get things like the Euro sign, the backslash, the pipe character, the tilde character, curly braces, or the @ sign.

      I've written a couple of keyboard macros back in the WordPerfect days that used Alt Gr plus other keys to get extra accented characters for transcription of Arabic (and, ironically, for Yoruba, which is one of the major languages of Nigeria), which I'm ready to submit as prior art if it should have to come to that.
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    6. Re:what this is by jeti · · Score: 1

      Wow. That is like a keyboard with a keyboard template _stuck_on_ .
      I guess you can get around that patent by providing a regular
      cardboard keyboard template and some glue. Or maybe a self-adhesive
      template.

    7. Re:what this is by root_42 · · Score: 1

      It is like the use of the right Alt key on European keyboards to get extra accented characters. The key is called "Alt Gr" on many European keyboards. On a German keyboard, you press Alt Gr + some other key to get things like the Euro sign, the backslash, the pipe character, the tilde character, curly braces, or the @ sign.

      Exactly. And it is similar to the "US intl" layout in X11. Where you can access different international characters with the right ALT key (like the umlauts etc). And I think that has been around for years, too.

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    8. Re:what this is by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 1

      "It's about using two extra shift keys for the non-ASCII characters. On his keyboard, he calls them "Shift2" and "Ng". This is a nice way to do languages that use the latin alphabet with a few abnormal extra characters."

      You probably know this, but that's exactly how you type additional Latin characters on a Mac. Option and Option-Shift give you quick access to letters like Ç, ß, Ø, Å, etc.

      Prior art? (I think patents are stupid anyway, but still...)

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    9. Re:what this is by beanyk · · Score: 1

      In addition to the other examples in prior replies, it also sounds like the multiple-meta keys combos used to generate hosts of single-character operators in the APL computer programming language:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language)

      I was using it in the mid-1990s, but the language has been around snce the 1960s, and for much of that time (IIRC) has used Ctrl+Shift, Ctrl+Alt etc to generate the extra characters needed. The company that supplied our implementation even packaged key-sized stickers that showed all the secondary and tertiary (and quadrenary?) uses of eack key.

    10. Re:what this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it not like the option key that appeared on the first 128K Mac keyboard in 1984 that let you type option-a and get å (LOWERCASE A WITH CIRCLE ABOVE) or any of the modified character such as an o with a slash through it and a bunch of odds and ends. (It also becomes a dead key accent for those letter that had more than one accent and those accents were used by more than one letter, such as grave, umlaut, etc...)

    11. Re:what this is by greed · · Score: 1

      And Option on a Mac has generated funny characters for years. There are both "dead" keys for accent combining, like Opt-e, Opt-^, and just-another-shift-state-keys, like Option-Shift-8 for a bullet, Option-Z for Omega, Option-O for a slashed O. (At least, in the Canadian keymap.)

    12. Re:what this is by salmonmoose · · Score: 1

      It is also like the Chat-Pad for the Xbox360, which has orange and green shift keys for extra characters. Heck, even my laptop has an Fn key that brings up extended characters.

    13. Re:what this is by r00t · · Score: 1

      I knew but forgot. I don't think the Mac would be useful as prior art, because patents are insane.

      This guy "invented" the use of TWO extra shift keys, for a total of FOUR. That's more innovative than the Mac, which only had ONE extra shift key for a total of THREE.

      Maybe the answer is to 1-up the bastard. You know, have FIVE shift keys. (or is five right out?)

    14. Re:what this is by BillX · · Score: 1

      Or like Shift1, which seems to be simply abbreviated 'Shift' on my keyboards. Hold it down with a character, and a different (in this case capital) pixmap is produced.

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    15. Re:what this is by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      First of all, it's a design patent. It's not a utility patent. Design patents are used for stuff like the flowers on the handles of your silverware. (why that isn't done with copyright I don't know) Design patent rules are different from utility patent rules.

      It's about using two extra shift keys for the non-ASCII characters. On his keyboard, he calls them "Shift2" and "Ng". This is a nice way to do languages that use the latin alphabet with a few abnormal extra characters.

      If it's a design patent, surely it's not about using two extra shift keys, but the specific ornamental design and layout of the characters on the keys. I'd guess things like the layout, font(s) used [which he apparently had custom designed] , positioning of characters on keys, colours used, the naming of additional shift keys and so on would be at issue. If the OLPC people just lifted the design from one of his keyboards thinking keyboard layouts were all pretty much standard stuff and in the pubic domain, they may well be infringing his design patent.

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  23. I think I can help... by kwiqsilver · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The Nigerian Patent Minister recently asked for my help in transferring a large sum of money to the US. I'm sure that if I ask him to, he can make this trouble go away. He has offered a very generous reward for my assistance. I'll ask...

    Ooh...now it seems he wants to buy the car I'm selling, and he offered me $500 over what I listed it for (it's probably one of the money transfer expenses I had to wire him $5000 to cover), all I have to do is send the $2000 difference from the cashier's check he already had printed out in my name (what an fortuitous coincidence) to his friend.

    I'm sure with our budding business relationship he'll help the OLPC project out.

  24. reverse engineering under US law by theMerovingian · · Score: 1


    See here for a very nice review of US law regarding reverse engineering.

    I wonder what "illegal reverse engineering" means under Nigerian law, seeing as how it is generally permitted in the US.

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    1. Re:reverse engineering under US law by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's even more silly is that a patent is supposed to describe exactly how something works so people don't *need* to reverse engineer it.

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    2. Re:reverse engineering under US law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That permission here is tenuous at best. If corporate interests had their way (which they eventually might if they grease the right palms), reverse engineering would be tossed out right along with other useful end user rights such as Fair Use.

      Who knows how bad it is in Nigeria... I'd wager it's definitely the Wild West of the patent world.

  25. Quick buck? by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    It looks like someone has seen an opportunity to grab attention and/or get some quick buck in a settlement. Remember guys, it's Nigeria!

  26. Could be legit by SuperRenaissanceMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA: "LANCOR's technology named Shift2 keyboard technology has been used to create a new class of region specific based keyboards called KONYIN Multilingual Keyboards, which are currently on sale globally." I don't think you can be sure to call this one a patent troll. They are actually producing a product, not just holding a patent for the sole purpose of the suit.

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    1. Re:Could be legit by Sleepy · · Score: 1

      re they more legitimate than the standard patent troll... because they have their name on a KEYBOARD? For $9, you can too.

      Look at what they are claiming a patent on -- multiple 'meta' keys. LOTS of obvious, prior art here. Was there an 8-bit computer that DID NOT employ this technique for extended characters? How about most laptops, with a reduced key set.

      Even Microsoft would not go after OLPC for this (although we may find they 'licensed' this patent to fund the effort, just like they licensed/funded SCO). These guys are now tied on the Evil Index... with Monsanto. I don't have words to describe how revolting this is.

    2. Re:Could be legit by SuperRenaissanceMan · · Score: 1

      I said 'could be legit.' Even if it's not, there is a difference between filing a lawsuit over computer equipment and dumping dioxins on Cardiff.

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  27. Patent Troll Hater for 2008 by renegadesx · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am pretty sure there are only a few ways to do a multilingual keyboard. It should not be something that you can patent.

    Not only do I think this patent shouldn't be valid but these guys are suing whats basically a charity organization? Please!

    As far as "not listening to nigerian law" it should be noted that they have an american office and they are suing in american courts using manipulating the flawed american patent system

    I think some of your presedential hopefuls should make patent trolls an issue and establish a policy to fight against them.

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  28. Well.... by cyberjock1980 · · Score: 1

    Although my first instinct was to call them a patent troll I will have to admit that they are at least filing the patent now. I really hate it when patent troll company x waits 5 years, THEN files for patent infringement. Granted, I'm not thoroughly familiar on their patent nor Nigerian law, but these guys do deserve some credit for at least trying to defend their own patents. I still hate them, but at least they're filing now and not in 5 years like quite a few other patent trolls do.

  29. I guess the old proverb is still true... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No good deed goes unpunished.

  30. Smells like M$ by filbranden · · Score: 0

    Smells like M$ trying desesperately to throw more FUD on the OLPC project... it's not like they haven't bribed companies in Nigeria before.

  31. They might have a point by Captain+Sensible · · Score: 1

    US patent law is unique. Nigerian law is similar to most Commonwealth law; patent law is closer to European Community law. The same applies to reverse engineering. Just because its legal in the US does not mean that its legal anywhere else.

    1. Re:They might have a point by DanMc · · Score: 1
      I have doubts that they actually reverse engineered the driver from this company.

      Meta, Func, Shift, Alt, type combinations are fully supported in the X11 layouts already, and their use (you can create your own layout and match it up to scancodes to do whatever you want, then paint the tops of the keys accordingly. :)

      There's very little reason to take this company's binary driver and reverse engineer it. Hardware is sold outright, not licensed (leased). OLPC is clearly not stealing the company's hardware design with 4 shift keys. There's 1 meta key on the OLPC which has a very strong prior art case for not being infringing, (I'm looking at my C64 here) so it looks like they are talking about the software that came with the keyboards that the OLPC Project bought)

      Consider: You're OLPC, and you want to make Meta-E print out a certain character. You've licensed a motherboard with some keyboard serial UART on it, and that UART has a scan code for the meta-key. Do you throw out X11's keyboard drivers and layout files, reverse engineer this company's driver for their hardware alone, and put that in it's place? Or do you take the existing X11 layout files and put in the scancodes you want for meta-E and not do any special coding?

    2. Re:They might have a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  32. Now that SCO is toast ... by timothy · · Score: 1

    Pamela? Pamela, do you see that big bat symbol in the sky?

    timothy

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  33. Re:DEAR SIR; MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God I love Nigeria! What a fine country!

  34. Translation error by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Funny

    There may have been a translation error, leading the Nigerians to believe OLPC was an acronym for One Litigation Per Child.

    Dan East

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  35. Hmmm... Lagos by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 1

    Remind me not to incorporate any more businesses in Lagos; could well be Nigeria's version of our 9th Circuit.

  36. HOW much you want to bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That microsoft is behind this???

  37. the layouts are quite different by m2943 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the US international layout for OLPC:

    http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Keyboard_layouts

    Here is the Konyin layout for the US (you have to click on VIEW LAYOUT under UNITED STATES):

    http://www.konyin.com/?page=home&menuitem=1

    Maybe Konyin thinks that they invented making additional languages/scripts/special characters available via additional shift characters, but that's ridiculous; here is the Windows US International keyboard layout:

    http://www.usna.edu/LangStudy/US-InternationalLayout.html

    See, lots of special characters via AltGr.

    1. Re:the layouts are quite different by adah · · Score: 1

      Konyin keyboards have Shift2, while OLPC only uses the traditional AltGr. The only thing similar is the layout of special characters like Æ. I hardly see that as a patent infringement.

      I would rather think this company wants to make its name (in)famous....

  38. Nigeria != Niger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Whoever is tagging, I don't know if it's an attempt to make a race joke or what, but Niger and Nigeria are two separate places.

    1. Re:Nigeria != Niger by hc5duke · · Score: 1

      Whoever tagged that is such a Niger guy

    2. Re:Nigeria != Niger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Niger plz.

  39. They never complained... by WoollyMittens · · Score: 1

    Strange how you never hear anyone complain about financial, medical and food aid going to that region. Is there any incentive for actualy helping that part of the world?

  40. Patent trolls even if you were right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The "innovation" behind their keyboard is that they have more than one shift key (you know, like having an apple key; or like a "microsoft" or "super" key) and that they use the shift key to add accents (you know, like a German or Polish programmers keyboard). This is something which is beyond obvious; has been done before. Is in no way original and anyone who sues over such a thing is a Patent Troll, no matter what way they carry out the lawsuit or how long they have spent negotiating. Now, whilst I have resservations about OLPC; taking this lawsuit as it is and carrying it out against against a charity and people who are trying to do their best to help education of poor children is sick. The people behind this (and I doubt that it's just the Nigerian company doing this) deserve long prison sentences.

    1. Re:Patent trolls even if you were right. by gerilart · · Score: 1

      Polish programmer keyboard uses right Alt key rather than shift.

  41. Prior art? by ozbird · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How are the KONYIN keyboard's multiple shift keys any different to ye olde AltGr key to access alternate - usually international - characters?

    1. Re:Prior art? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Apparently, the unique thing about the KONYIN keyboard, is that it can send 2 Unicode codepoints for a single keypress (for some keys, when Shift2 is held down). But the OLPC keyboard doesn't work like this, it uses standard PC scancodes and translates to Unicode at the XKB level, so that can't be what they are complaining about.

  42. Go Figures... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    OLPC, the current best proof that no good deed goes unpunished.

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  43. Dear Mr. Slashdotter by SpeedyG5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    As lead council I am tasked with getting hard working folks for a class action lawsuit. In fact there is money to be paid out to all comers, now. For a small down payment of $10,000 you can get a share of the 15 billion we have currently collected. Please email me your personal information, social security number, payment information etc so you can receive a one time lump sum payment.

    Bob Cummings Esquire
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    Sokoto Nigeria

  44. How do you reverse engineer a keyboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the secret ingredient in mapping key presses to character codes?

  45. Re:Could someone explain why they give C&D ord by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
    If they going to be awarded damages, wouldn't the more they have sold, inflate the settlement?

    When you sue someone you have an obligation to mitigate the damages. You're supposed to be righting a wrong, not milking it.

  46. Re:what this is, Space Cadets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GOLLYgosh-WOW, Captain Future, it's the Meta Key...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard!

    I call Prior Art! (is that meaningful in Nigeria? I have no idea...)

    BTW, the linked "article" seemed mostly a singing-of-praises for the ..er.. World Class Innovators Who Were So FOULY Wronged..

  47. Profit by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    1. Design a Product 2. Get sued by a patent holder 3. Post to Slashdot 4. Slashdot finds all prior art for you 5. ??????? 6. Profit!

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  48. This also means....... by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Someone needs to start digging and see how many OS patents they infringe. That is what open source companies obtained their patent portfolio for in the first place (http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/05/opensource_pate.html)

    They will probably come to some bilateral arrangement if they are hit by a couple of hundred infringements and a cease and desist order themselves.

  49. What a strange coincidence by jimicus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It strikes me as remarkably inconvenient that there just happens to be a company which is US-based, Nigerian owned and happens to have a patent on something which so directly affects to OLPC project. How many companies can there be which fit this description?

    Putting my tinfoil hat on for a moment, it's not possible that this company is a stooge for Intel or Microsoft, is it?

    1. Re:What a strange coincidence by realkiwi · · Score: 1

      Having watched BBC News 24 bash the computer yesterday evening I'm not sure there is a coincidence (BBC is owned by MS - see iPlayer...).

      Apparently the Nigerian govt. would rather have Windows on the machine from what I heard on the news. Oh, and the fact that it is $188, not $100 disturbed the reporter too. The fact that the Intel machine was much more ecpensive didn't put him off but then that runs a "real" OS doesn't it...

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    2. Re:What a strange coincidence by mochan_s · · Score: 1

      Apparently the Nigerian govt. would rather have Windows on the machine from what I heard on the news.

      Good for the American economy and bad for them. Plus, it's not like you really expect Nigerian open source programmers contributing. Look at China. You see any open source programmers from China?

      Oh, and the fact that it is $188, not $100 disturbed the reporter too. The fact that the Intel machine was much more expensive didn't put him off but then that runs a "real" OS doesn't it...

      Who cares? OLPC was about an idea and motivating design concepts in laptops. That worked magically. Yeah, we had all the talk about helping children in 3rd world countries but it was more about spurring new ideas and design techniques in the US skill base. Where were all the designs done for the system?

      Those OLPC laptop innovations will probably creep into the laptop you buy 4 years down the road.

    3. Re:What a strange coincidence by swillden · · Score: 1

      OLPC was about an idea and motivating design concepts in laptops. That worked magically. Yeah, we had all the talk about helping children in 3rd world countries but it was more about spurring new ideas and design techniques in the US skill base.

      Cite?

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    4. Re:What a strange coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The chances in this happening are like probably 1 in 100,000 companies or something!

      And there's probably like only around 100,000 companies in the world!

      Oh wait....

  50. Maybe by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Maybe they are going to get the names and e-mail addresses of the people who 'donated' to the OLPC and send them an e-mail telling them how one of their distant relatives died in Nigeria and their assistance is needed to settle the estate.

  51. It gets worse by thebeforeguy · · Score: 1

    If OLPC somehow manages to escape LANCOR, I hear PARLACC has filed a suit in a Carkoonian court. Litigations would last 1000 years!

    1. Re:It gets worse by __aaltii7299 · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean SARLACC?

    2. Re:It gets worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't they mean RANCOR?

  52. OR hit them with open source patents by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    There are open source patent portfolios which have been accumulated specifically to defend open source projects. I am sure that they infringe at least a few, perhaps more. Hit them with infringement suits and a cease and desist order for their products, and I expect they would quickly come to some bilateral licensing agreement.

    Unless this is a company that stands to make more from "certain investors" than from continuing in their normal line of business, in which case we need to make an example by invalidating their patent claims and sue them for infringement of OS patents.

  53. Crazy by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

    Why sue a company that is trying to do some good in the world?

    Screw patents, patent holders should be forced to prove that the alleged infringer has seen their product and then copied it.

  54. One Kalashnikov Per Child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe OLPC should change its name to OKPC in Nigeria and let the children remove the morons who make such rules and seem so intent on standing in the way of their education?

  55. Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    You had me right up until you said "Leave teaching to teaching professionals." That has to be one of the stupidest things I have heard in a very long time. Please, please, please tell me that you typed that without really thinking it through. Really, we all put our foot in our mouths now and then, so please tell me that you just had a momentary lapse of judgment in the fury of a flame war, and you don't really believe that teaching should only be done by teaching professionals.

  56. ZX Spectrum - Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  57. Custom Keyboard Layouts by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Looks like one presses ctrl+shift (or equivalent) then some key indicating which accent you want, which induces a modal change. The next character typed acquires the selected accent. Actually it would be nice to have this on standard US keyboards also; it would make it easier to type the occasional email in French or whatever.

    You already do. Check out the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator (for Windows 2000, XP/2003 and Vista).

    In fact, if you're running Windows then you've already got several keyboard mappings installed following the same pattern, even though you don't use them.

    If you look at the website, "inventive step" appears to have been the replacing of the normal keys next to the shift keys with a second shift. They call this "4 shift-keys". I'm assuming they mean four modifier keys. Is it possible to patent using a number of modifier keys? Heck, doesn't MS's keyboard layout tool already let you do that anyway? (It's not installed on this computer and I don't have admin rights -- I'll check at home tonight.) I bet their "software component" was written in MSKLC. Oh, I so hope it is... that must surely constitute prior art in itself....>/p>

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    1. Re:Custom Keyboard Layouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can do that since years ago in my spanish keyboard. And you don't even need Windows or some MSKLC to do it neither!

  58. Driver, not keyboard. by godfoder · · Score: 1

    It sounds to me like the suit is over the fact that the OLPC might have implemented an open source driver for the konyin keyboards. If these keyboards are popular in Nigeria, that would make a good deal of sense.

    It would also mean that this lawsuit is even more frivolous that most people are assuming it is. Reverse engineering for interoperability is, I believe, a legally sanctioned action.

  59. lagos? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

    The suit was filed in Lagos.

    Can't someone just move some of those colorful little bricks around to change the suit?

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  60. A quick 'Dig' of Lancor by TooTechy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lancor - hosted by ipowerweb.com. Administrative contact, bscinternational.com
    konyin.com - hosted by ipowerweb.com Admin contact, oluwole@lancorltd.com

    For an IT company to not actually have their own web server ... and to have their admin contact external (a MS partner BTW)...

    Thoughts? How big is this company (they don't have a link on their web site to their Nigerian counterpart. They do have a link to Konyin.com, no drivers available for download there. Anyone got them?

    I wonder how much email traffic has been transferred between Lancor and MS recently. SCO is sooo yesterday's news.

    BTW - your lancorltd.com web site does not render correctly in FireFox.

    1. Re:A quick 'Dig' of Lancor by jht · · Score: 1

      I actually know a couple of them - small company, and they did legitimately bust their tails to come up with a hardware/software combination to make it easier to support multilingual use. They're pretty decent guys. I haven't seen or talked to either of the two people there I know since earlier this year, though, so I have nothing to add about the suit or any merits it might have (or not have).

      Just with all the speculation swirling in this thread, I thought this would be useful. They are definitely not large enough to justify running their own web server in-house. I'm also not sure who makes the keyboard for them (I was told once, over a year ago, but I can't remember), but it's a pretty solid one as keyboards go. The software was pretty clever as well.

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  61. Oh no! by Filip47 · · Score: 1

    They need at least $50 to bribe the Nigerian courts!!!

    1. Re:Oh no! by sonikbeach · · Score: 1

      mod parent troll

  62. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Stefanwulf · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth, I read it more as "Don't tell the teachers how to do their job - they've spent a lot of time on this and have reasons for their preferred solution", rather than "Don't teach anyone anything unless you're a professional educator."

  63. Re:Could someone explain why they give C&D ord by Stefanwulf · · Score: 1

    If they going to be awarded damages, wouldn't the more they have sold, inflate the settlement?
    Based on my limited, non-lawerly knowledge, at least in the U.S. the basis for civil suits over patents is that the unlicensed use of the patented invention is causing harm. If you choose to let the infringement continue because it's of greater benefit to you than shutting it down, then you aren't giving a very strong impression that it's harming you. That's why you pretty much have to react when you find out about the infringement, and try to shut down the infringing use. Plus, I get the impression that most C&D orders are used to set a deadline and force the infringing party to negotiate a licensing deal, instead of letting them bog down negotiations in order to continue profiting from an unlicensed copy of your invention. Once the license is in place, there's no longer infringement, and both parties want to sell as many as possible, so the C&D generally goes away.

    (People with more knowledge on these things - feel free to correct me)
  64. I wonder if... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is funding Lagos Analysis Corp. in order to slow down the OLPC initiative. Didn't Microsoft do something similar in the SCO/Linux law suits?

  65. Also on Vic20, Amiga and in games by MindKata · · Score: 1

    I think the Vic-20 also had what could easily be called multiple shift keys, as it could switching between Graphics and Text mode using the CBM key. Also the Amiga had two extra big A "Amiga" keys which could be used by software to do similar things.

    Also multiple shift keys are nothing new at all, as there are many games (on many early home computers) that did this sort of thing going back decades. Even the concept of combos of keys is acting like various combinations of more shift keys.

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  66. Nigerian Lawsuit? by Damocles+the+Elder · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I read this, I thought it was going to be a complaint about the laptop having some anti-spam software on it.

  67. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is not what the parent said, but even if that is what was meant, it would be an incredibly stupid thing to say. Assuming that any professional should go unquestioned is a poor idea. It is particularly bad of an idea to not question teachers. Teaching is not rocket science, and the output of our public schools pretty much speaks for itself. Really, a lot of these public school kids can't read until they are 6 or 7, even after spending a year or two in preschool.

    I have actually had a couple of these "profession teachers" try to tell me that you shouldn't even show kids actual letters until they are 3. Instead they are pushing this crap that has become popular amongst "educators" called Zoophonics. They seem to think pqbd are easier for a kid to learn than PQBD. And apparently punching, kicking, and animal fighting are good ideas for education.

    It comes down to the fact that our public schools are in shambles, and no matter how bad the other parts are, teachers have to take take a very large part of the responsibility for that. So, question them.

  68. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    Yes, I meant that Slashdot userid duggi, who I was flaming, should probably not teach if there were good teaching professionals available instead. His slant on education didn't really turn me on...

    OTOH, your argument in a later comment that some teaching professionals are bad is somewhat of a "strawman" argument; although I do agree with you that the teaching profession (usually encouraged by their academic branch) periodically comes out with really bad pedagogical ideas and sometimes it takes them years to figure out how bad they are. My experience is that the better teachers are quite conservative and don't start using these revolutionary ideas until they have been field tested for a while on someone else's students (and often, to remain "politically correct" with their colleagues and with parents they have to give some lip service to these new ideas and claim they are "integrating" them in their teaching methods).

    The OLPC is one of these revolutionary ideas and they're still looking for the first guinea pigs. I personally think it will be good in the long run, but the going will be rough at the start.

  69. 419 by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Honest Individual
    I am Stella McBride, aged 21years old the daughter of Late Darl Makoba a politician ,gold and software merchant from Angola. I and my mother now residing in Senegal dakar west africa.
    As a result of the on-going problem in our country, we must relocate US$500 million of intellectual property to an overseas account...

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    1. Re:419 by IonOtter · · Score: 1

      My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love For a brief moment there, I thought your sig was actually part of your 419 spoof. Which made it exceptionally interesting, in my opinion?

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  70. Not that hard to have the same idea by everphilski · · Score: 1

    when you purchase your competitor's product

    fta:

    LANCOR's lawsuit alleges that OLPC purchased two KONYIN Multilingual Keyboard models (KONYIN Nigeria Multilingual Keyboard and KONYIN United States Multilingual Keyboard) with the express purpose of illegally reverse engineering the source codes for use in OLPC's XO Laptops.

    1. Re:Not that hard to have the same idea by Keith_Beef · · Score: 1

      And then again, OLPC could have bought the Konyin keyboards for any number of purposes.

      Maybe even for checking that the in-house keyboard and drivers didn't infringe on Lancor's IP?

      Beef

    2. Re:Not that hard to have the same idea by everphilski · · Score: 1

      Maybe even for checking that the in-house keyboard and drivers didn't infringe on Lancor's IP?

      That's why they have these nifty things called patents. They lay out a company's claims. If you can read through the patent and determine that you don't infringe (having a lawyer at this step might help), then you are home free. There is no need to purchase the product in question. In fact its nothing but trouble as this debacle will now show.

      All I'm saying is that time line does look very suspicious.

    3. Re:Not that hard to have the same idea by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Do you know how hard it is to find Nigerian patents?

  71. Disgusting by dalin1 · · Score: 1

    Validity of the suit aside, poor choice of target aside, the blatant and open racist trash people are spewing in this thread is highly offensive.

  72. No good deed ever goes unpunished... by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

    Does it?

  73. And if I was a billionaire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would you suck my cock for all of my cash?

    Why make up a scenario? When they do violate the GPL, then we'll see. Until then, it's like you giving me a BJ.

  74. Re:The scams are getting more ridiculous every day by shelterpaw · · Score: 1

    I'm just waiting for the day when they patent fraud and then sue for it.

  75. You don't learn about graphite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when taught to write with a pencil.

    the XO is underpowered as a computer, but in its basic form, the XO isn't a computer. It's a book. It's an oracle. It's a source of knowledge. And knowing about computers isn't needed any more than how to bind a hardback book is before you read "See Spot Run".

    As for Moosesocks' comment, copyright is a government construct. The government can suspend it whenever and for whatever reason they want.

    So they suspend the copyright when scanning for school use. they scan one set of books and send a cheap van with a wireless AP "squirting" the scanned books out to all XO laptops it passes. When these XO laptops find an XO laptop that doesn't have the books, it "squirts" them to this XO laptop.

    If the company doesn't like it, they can refuse to sell it there and then they lose any lost sale when the government takes a copy anyway.

    Bosh bang wollop. Done.

    And the books only have to be better than the dead-tree version they could get out for the same price. Easy-peasy.

  76. Maybe someone's holding out for a bribe by Coop · · Score: 1

    When such bullcrap roadblocks are set up in front of something that can only help the Nigerian commoner, I suspect that OLPC has too much integrity, and too low a budget, to bribe some government dipwad. (Hey, I expressed my anger without cussing! The old church-lady substitution technique keeps me cuss-free on a technicality.) The things the children also need, which the gov't minister mentions in the BBC article ("facilities" meaning bathrooms I guess, furniture, school uniforms) are all things that Nigeria can supply on its own but the OLPC computers will take actual oil-money hard currency. If I understand Nigeria, the real money, which can be spent on luxuries, is already spoken for by the ruling class. When a program pops up that will actually divert some of that money toward helping the country, the logical gymnastics performed to defeat it are sadly impressive.

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  77. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    That is good to hear. I'll just forget the other post, and chalk it up to a late night, and quick typing. I still say you are wrong though, as, everyone is and should be a teacher to the children around us. Anytime teaching is left only to professionals, even if there are good teachers around, kids are seriously missing out.

    I don't think that pointing out how bad many teachers are is a strawman argument. The reason is that in my experience, about 15% of the teachers are good, about 20% are actively bad, and the rest are just punching the timecard. Of the 15% that are good, it is not that they have a vast amount of knowledge about kids that a reasonably aware non-teacher does not, but instead are very good because they care, they are willing to put in the effort (which most kids really do recognize), and because they have the patients and skill to pull off the job. This can include simple things like wearing deodorant so that you don't stink when you lean over to explain something to a kid. If we really did have these mythical good teachers that were really revolutionizing teaching, we would see kid getting out of school dramatically better educated than they did in the past. On the whole, we are just not seeing that. I would say that with the latest crop, we are actually seeing kids lose ground to their predecessors.

    No doubt that staying politically correct is holding some good teachers back, as they are far out numbered by the one that cannot be defined as good, and thus would have serious problems if they rocked the boat. Of course, this is directly opposed to your advice to let professionals decide how teaching should be done, as it is the mediocre and bad teachers that are in control of modern education. The good teachers are just trying to teach kids while staying under the radar of the crappy ones. It's kind of like the guy that shows up on a Union job, and starts out performing everyone else 2 to 1. The other guys are going to have a chat with him to make sure that he doesn't make their job harder. When it comes to parents, the problem is just as much abdicating teaching to "professionals" as it is from teachers being politically correct. Of course, as I always state when discussing education, I'll say again, the unfortunate fact is that our public education system is broken on every level from the parents to President. Our education system has become a giant welfare system that is no longer (if it ever really was) about education the population, and has become a way to collect and disperse money, as well as a way to push political agendas.

    All that being said, I do think the OLPC has some serious problems. To me the computer looks more like business seeding a new market while getting people who think they are giving to charity to foot the bill. The reason I believe this to be the case is that I believe the machine to be vastly over powered for the claimed purpose. This appears to be for the purpose of using AMD processors and running Linux, not because this is the amount of power necessary to run the applications necessary to achieve the claimed goal. Another reason is that they were so intent on making these system WiFi . The wifi is a significant addition to the cost, as well as adding moving parts that become a breaking point. For sharing data close by, sneaker net with SD cards would have been less prone to breaking, and served just as well. For Internet traffic, the whole project is likely to be a flop, as internet requires infrastructure, and that means they will need on going funding. We can't get reliable municipal Wifi here in the States. I see no reason to expect a village in Nigeria to do a lot better. Anyone that remembers the old C64 days knows just how good the sneaker net can be in distributing software and data. One thing that I'm not sure of is how the power is supplied. I know they dropped the hand crank, and they were talking about replacing it with a foot peddle. If there is no foot peddle, then this device is entirely

  78. Prior Art by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to all the old 8-bit systems from the 80's that permits entry of graphic characters via some weird combination of keystrokes? Don't they count as prior art?

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    ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
  79. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

    Most children are unable to learn reading until they are 6 or 7 because of brain development not progressing far enough. It has nothing to do with how much they are taught they just can't get it until they are that old.

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    Inventions have long since reached their limit, and I see no hope for further development.-- Frontinus, 1st cent. AD
  80. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    Absolute BS. Just because the they are not taught something, doesn't mean they can't learn. The people that tell you a kid can't learn to read until they are 6 or 7, are the same ones that will tell you that the entire world population became retarded in just a few generations. That somehow an age that could build nations, raise families, fight wars, negotiate piece, run nations, run farms, run businesses, and do all of the things that adults do, are somehow now too feeble minded to handle even the most basic of adult responsibilities. That they are now 'children'.

    These are symptoms of environment, not genetics.

  81. Nigerian patent troll scam? by lpq · · Score: 1

    Hasn't this been debunked as a myth?

  82. CEO was convicted of stealing $335360 from bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LANCOR's CEO is Ade G. Oyegbola. Googling "Oyegbola shawmut" reveals that Ade George Oyegbola was convicted of stealing over $335,360 from Shawmut bank in the early 90's. So he's a scammer after all.

  83. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    > for the purpose of using AMD processors and running Linux

    This article seems to totally contradict your comment (except for the running Linux part, but if not Linux, what operating system would you suggest? It's obviously much better to supply a standard OS if possible, no?)

    > and they were talking about replacing it with a foot peddle

    My understanding is that the current solution is a pull-string generator; hopefully it has a hefty enough flywheel to enable a single individual to both power the generator and work on the OLPC, but if not, the OLPC has NiMH batteries which will store charge to enable work with the distraction of power generation. I have the feeling that people will also figure out how to pull the strings with their legs even if it's not the way the generator designers planned they would use it.

    > I suspect at best, it will be much like computers in the US. A few nerds will play with them because the think they are neat,
    > and most people will not think they are worth the effort.

    Now it's time for me to turn the tables on you. In the US, only a few nerds think it's worthwhile using computers? Don't tell me you've fallen into the same confusion as the guy I originally flamed, in thinking that the point of the OLPC is to advance computer science education. My understanding is that in addition to any pedagogical software, the OLPC is supposed to be supplied with a varied range of applications including music composition, drawing, camera + photo editing, etc., which will interest at least some of the children. Not to mention that the children in question have fewer alternatives for entertainment (e.g., no widely available television, if I am not mistaken).

  84. Re:Please tell me you put your foot in your mouth. by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    with the distraction of power generation -> without ...

    Oops!

  85. CEO Oyegbola is convicted bank robber of $0.5M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LANCOR's CEO is Ade G. Oyegbola. Googling "Oyegbola shawmut" reveals that Ade George Oyegbola was convicted of stealing over $335,360 from Shawmut bank in the early 90's. Scammer indeed!

  86. So . . . by hawk · · Score: 1

    Useless as an editor, EMACS finally finds a use--prior art . . .

    lessee, I need an "s" at the end of this sentence. In EMACS, I need only type meta-alt-meta-caps-shift-meta s, and I get one! :)

    hawk