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AT&T To Decommission Pay Phones

oahazmatt writes "According to MarketWatch, AT&T said that its pay phones will be phased out over the next year. A company spokeswoman declined to say how much revenue its pay-phone business generated, but the number is small and declining. 'The first public pay-telephone station was set up in 1878, just two years after Alexander Graham Bell invented the talking device. The first coin-operated pay phone was installed in Hartford, Conn., in 1889. For decades after the pay phone's invention, many Americans relied on them because of the expense and difficulty in obtaining reliable home service. Only after World War II did the telephone become a household necessity.'"

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  1. Just great! by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now where is Superman supposed to change?

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    1. Re:Just great! by phobos13013 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And where exactly do I ask you is Tony Soprano supposed to call in his hits from now? He cant use his freaking cell phone... fongu!

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    2. Re:Just great! by mulvane · · Score: 2, Funny

      How the hell am I supposed to get out of the Matrix and back to the real world if they take away half the hardlines that tie into the matrix.

  2. No longer required.. by in2mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..Because there are cellphone everywhere? But if you find yourself without cellphone in a situation,would some stranger lend you his for a call you want to make?

    Oh its about profit...ok..

    1. Re:No longer required.. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what about those who either choose not to have a cellphone, or can't afford one? Not everyone is willing to dedicate themselves to multi-year plans, or spend a not-insignificant number of dollars on a handset so they can pay (exhorbitantly) as they go.

    2. Re:No longer required.. by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh its about profit...ok.. Well... yes, yes it is. AT&T are a business, profit is their general goal.

      Even if someone won't lend you a cellphone in case you run off with it, just go into a building and ask if you can use their landline. Most people are pretty reasonable. OK... some people are pretty reasonable. But even if you had to try two or three places it's hardly a big deal for this life-and-death call you just have to make, right?

      That is, unless you find yourself alone without a cellphone in the middle of nowhere. But then again there probably wouldn't be a pay phone there anyway.
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    3. Re:No longer required.. by Average · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the US, at least, a new handset for prepaid (Tracfone) goes for $15 plus sales tax. You can get a year's worth of operation for $80 (if you buy a $20 card quarterly) or $100 (for more minutes than that). Minutes that you use are much cheaper than the 50 cents + long distance for a payphone call.

      Plus, any cellphone can call 911, activated or not. Lots of working ones for $3.99 with a charger at my local Goodwill.

      Not saying it's a good deal, or that I can't understand not wanting to bother with one. But, they aren't that expensive in this country.

      Canada on the other hand doesn't have anything nearly as affordable as Tracfone (or I would get one for use when I'm traveling there).

    4. Re:No longer required.. by leoxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't be absurd. Cell phones as a necessity is only true in countries where there is little to no telecommunications infrastructure. In north america one can easily get by without a cell phone, and I do so every single day.

    5. Re:No longer required.. by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In Finland there is an excellent telecommunications infrastructure, and yet mobile phones are necessities. For example, some new apartment blocks lack doorbells, since when you reach the outside door it is expected that you can phone your acquaintance to let him know you are waiting to enter. Payphones were generally phased out years ago, with only a handful left in the very centre of Helsinki for tourists. Then there is the whole social issue, sometimes people just don't want to deal with you if you don't have a mobile.

    6. Re:No longer required.. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Don't be absurd. Cell phones as a necessity is only true in countries where there is little to no telecommunications infrastructure. In north america one can easily get by without a cell phone, and I do so every single day."

      I like how you guys are dumb enough to argue this with two different definitions of 'necessity'.

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    7. Re:No longer required.. by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Cell Phones have become a necessity, like it or not.


      No, they haven't. Folks like Verizon/Cingular/whomever have spent millions convincing people that cell phones are a necessity when in reality they are not. As the poster above you intimated, there are those who get along quite well without a cell phone and for whom one is not remotely necessary.

      The vast majority of people who think they need a cell phone are the same ones I hear in a grocery store or mall having the following conversation:

      "Uh huh. Yeah. We saw that. I told her not to do it but she don't lis'n. Uh huh. Yeaahhh. I like dat. Oops! Sorry, didn't see you there. Just ran into something because I'm talking to you. Heh heh."

      There are very, very, VERY few people who specifically need a cell phone. Those that think they need one would be very surprised to find out how few "necessity" calls they make in a week if they would keep track of their calls.

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    8. Re:No longer required.. by michrech · · Score: 5, Informative
      Give me a break. You can (at least in the area of the US in which I reside) walk into virtually any store and walk out with a contractless cell phone, quite cheaply. It shouldn't matter *too* much if the per-minute charges are somewhat high as, if your "example" would be correct, they don't want it in the first place, there-by meaning they'd hardly be using it as it is.

      Hell, just looking at AT&T's web site (side note: MAN I hate this company -- if they do purchase DishNetwork, I'm switching to DirecTV...), you can get a damned "goPhone" for a whopping $10(!) and there are two access plans. Either an access plan that is $1 per day (you ONLY get charged the "access fee" of $1 on a day that you actually make a call) + 10 cents per minute, OR, a fee where the minutes are 25 cents.

      By MY calculations, that does not qualify as "not-insignificant number of dollars on a handset", nor does it qualify for "they can pay (exorbitantly) as they go."

      Next time, you might actually, ohh, I dunno, try backing up your statements with some facts? Wait.. I forgot. This is slashdot.

      Just because you hate the cell phone companies (the only thing I can assume from your attitude) doesn't mean that they are out to lock you into multi-year expensive plans in an effort to not provide you adequate service and empty your wallet. It just means you haven't done your homework. Hell, it took me 2 minutes to find AT&T's rates. I'm sure other carriers have pricing similar (T-Mobile probably being one of the better carriers).

      I'm really not trying to bait you into a flamewar, nor am I trying to be a troll. There are plenty of reasons to hate the telephone companies, so why make up more?

      And what about those who either choose not to have a cellphone, or can't afford one? Not everyone is willing to dedicate themselves to multi-year plans, or spend a not-insignificant number of dollars on a handset so they can pay (exhorbitantly) as they go.
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    9. Re:No longer required.. by in2mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if someone won't lend you a cellphone in case you run off with it, just go into a building and ask if you can use their landline.
      Its not about running away with their phone..Its about a call to a person about whom the owner has no idea & in case any trouble,the phone owner will be the first to face it.

      just go into a building and ask if you can use their landline. Most people are pretty reasonable. OK... some people are pretty reasonable. But even if you had to try two or three places it's hardly a big deal for this life-and-death call you just have to make, right?
      Thats when assuming there are always buildings around you, open & welcoming you at Night anywhere!
    10. Re:No longer required.. by ajs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what about those who either choose not to have a cellphone, or can't afford one? What about them?

      I don't mean to sound harsh, but honestly this is just not one of the phone company's concerns. They're a business, not the corner phone maintenance division of your city government. If you want a phone on every corner, lobby your local government to put one there, and be ready to pay for it with your taxes. Public phones just don't make enough money to cover their costs anymore.
    11. Re:No longer required.. by gauauu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what about those who either choose not to have a cellphone, or can't afford one? Not everyone is willing to dedicate themselves to multi-year plans, or spend a not-insignificant number of dollars on a handset so they can pay (exhorbitantly) as they go.

      The answer is: sorry, tough luck. AT&T has no duty to you to provide these pay phones for you. If they stop being profitable, they stop existing. They don't care about whether you are willing to dedicate yourself to a multi-year plan.

      I'm not saying I like the result, but it's the way life works :(

    12. Re:No longer required.. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All of those plans cost more than a quarter.

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    13. Re:No longer required.. by darjen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, speak for yourself. I just switched to the 18 cent per minute plan on Virgin Mobile. Personally, I was tired of having to pay $50 a month to AT&T when I only ever used 100 minutes a month at the most. (And half of that time talking to the parents). I'm not exactly poor... I have a decent paying IT job like the rest of us here. This new plan will probably cost me no more than $10/month.

      There are plenty of ways for me to communicate with friends and family nowadays without being a wireless company's sucker.

    14. Re:No longer required.. by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      or C) don't use enough minutes to make a plan worthwhile.

      That's me. I use maybe 60 minutes a month on average, and I know plenty of people who use less. On my prepaid plan, that costs about $21 (10 cents a minute, plus a dollar each day i use the phone, call it every other day, $6 + $15). Yes, it's a high per-minute fee, but $21 is cheaper than any plan that I have found (Cingular had a $30/mo 250-minute plan a while back, I think).

    15. Re:No longer required.. by Bud+Dickman · · Score: 2, Informative
      The person was saying that some apartments in Finland don't have ways to ring a particular apartment from the outside so people just use cell phones to call the person in the apartment.

      Yeah, the person in the apartment can have a landline. How is the person who is waiting outside supposed to reach that landline if he doesn't have a cell phone? I think you misunderstood THE POST.

    16. Re:No longer required.. by Jhon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The pay as you go phones are for people who are either A) poor (obviously because they can't manage finances since they bought this) or B) buy into the whole "it's cheaper cuz you pay for the minutes up front".

      Or C) They are GOOD with their finances and are willing to pay $.25 per minute for 50 or so minutes per month they *WILL* use rather than pay $40+ per month or more for minutes they will *NEVER* use.

      I fell in to this catagory through 2005. ATT had a deal where I spent $25, got a cell phone with $15 of minutes on it ($.10 per minute) -- and got 20 minutes per month for free every month for 1 year. The entire plan cost me $50 over a year (I needed to buy one $25 phone card when I ran low on minutes one month).

      Other than for work, I can't see how ANYONE can spend more than 100 (hell, even 400) minutes on a cell phone per month. Even now, I RARELY go over 200 minutes per month.
    17. Re:No longer required.. by michrech · · Score: 2, Informative
      It specifically states on the web page that the $1 is only assessed if you actually make a call that day.

      Of course, you could have just gone to their web page and verified for yourself. :)

      > Either an access plan that is $1 per day (you ONLY get charged the "access fee" of $1 on a day that you actually make a call) + 10 cents per minute, OR, a fee where the minutes are 25 cents.


      Serious Question: Are you sure the $1/d access fee is only charged when you make/receive a call? Technically, a phone "accesses" the network every time it's turned on. I've avoided such phones precisely because "access fee of $1/d" sounds like telcospeak for "we're using language that makes you think you only pay to make calls, but we're actually charging $30/month."

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    18. Re:No longer required.. by wakingdreaming · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is, unless you find yourself alone without a cellphone in the middle of nowhere. But then again there probably wouldn't be a pay phone there anyway. That's when you go back to that castle you passed a few miles back and see if they have a phone you can use.
  3. farewell, anonymity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh look, a violent crime. Better go to the nearest payphone and report it so I don't get roped in to the case just 'cos I'm concerned about someone being beaten to a pulp.

    Oh, no payphone.

    1. Re:farewell, anonymity by vhold · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was my first thought as well. Case in point: A friend of mine used a pay phone to report a car being broken into, and when they asked for his name he just said "Nope" and hung up. The cops arrived shortly thereafter and caught the thief in the act. He would not have made that call on his phone.

    2. Re:farewell, anonymity by jayveekay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you see someone getting violently attacked. If your number one concern is to help the victim ASAP, then I would think that given the choice between A) whipping out your cellphone and dialing 911 to summon help, or B) looking for a payphone, running to it, (possibly asking whoever is using phone to hang up for an emergency), and dialing 911, I would think that you would choose option A.

      Why would you be concerned about possibly getting "roped into the case" when someone's life is in jeopardy?

    3. Re:farewell, anonymity by Kizzle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually there are tons of third party pay phone providers out there. They're called cocots. They're easy to spot because they have odd business names on them and not Verizon/ATT/Sprint/ect.

      So while ATT may be pulling out their pay phones, others will still exist.

    4. Re:farewell, anonymity by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you've never lived in a big city where armed gangs spray the houses of witnesses with bullets, I take it

    5. Re:farewell, anonymity by boristdog · · Score: 2, Informative

      You've apparently never had to report many crimes. The reporter is ALWAYS the first suspect.

      I used to have to be the one to report any missing items in the IT dept in a state office. I always got the third degree. The investigating officer immediately asked lots of questions about my financial situation.

      Why did I have to report all the crimes at this office? I was one of the only white guys there. I REALLY would not have wanted to be in that situation if I were black or hispanic.

    6. Re:farewell, anonymity by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're that concerned, carry a random cell phone with no service activated. By national law, cell carriers have to accept incoming 911 calls even from phones with no active service plan.

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    7. Re:farewell, anonymity by Foolicious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He would not have made that call on his phone. Why?
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    8. Re:farewell, anonymity by jayveekay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're afraid of an armed gang showing up at your house sometime in the distant future during a trial, then I don't think you're a candidate for showing the courage to act against the armed gang that is 100 feet away beating someone up right now. I think that you're far more likely to mind your own business entirely, and rationalize the victim of the violence as probably just another thug or prostitute getting what he/she deserves.

    9. Re:farewell, anonymity by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you've never lived in a big city where armed gangs spray the houses of witnesses with bullets, I take it
      I live in Detroit and I've never heard of such a thing here. Maybe New Orleans...

    10. Re:farewell, anonymity by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm going to use british prices because that is what I am familiar with, things may be a bit different in the US but I doubt it will be that significant.

      First there is the cost of the payphones themselves. Afaict this is about £150 or so for a basic payphone. More than double that if you want something moderately vandal resistant.

      If you use POTs there is the cost of the line and if you use phones that work on the pay to start speaking method (many cheap end ones do) the cost of calls where the person at the other end picks up but the user never pays.

      If you set up a payphone at a location that is unlikely to be vandalised, is already being cleaned and where there is someone to empty it who is handling cash anyway this is pretty much the limit of your costs.

      Lets say you charge 40p for a call up to 20 minuites (same as BT charge) and your calls average 5 minuites With only a negligable proportion going over the 20 minuites. Lets further say you pay 2p per minuite for your calls (probablly a little more than you will actually pay if you choose a decent provider) and avoid line rental by putting the phone on VOIP using an existing internet connection your profit will be 30p per call.

      So if your phone cost £150 and your VOIP adaptor £30 your startup cost is £180 you need 600 calls to make back your investment, that is about a call a day for a year. In other words putting a payphone in your shop/hotel/etc for customers/passers by to use will cost you very little and may even make you some profit.

      Phone boxes are going to cost a lot more (sorry I don't have figures for how much), beyond the cost of the box itself you have to send people out to clean the boxes, check them for vandalism and empty them. Those people and thier transportation are going to cost you significant money which afaict only the best locations can make back. And since you probablly won't have an existing internet connection you can use you will have to pay line rental to someone too.

      The distinct impression I get is phone boxes operated primerally for profit (BT payphones aren't, BT inherited the commitement to maintain them from thier days as a government department) are only viable in a relatively small (and shrinking) number of locations.

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  4. not a surprise by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Death of an era, really.
    As TFA says though, almost anyone and everyone has a wireless handset. I recent switched to a PP cell myself.
    That's the real key... Pay phones were anonymous, with Pre-paid you can pay cas for the phone ans sim, using bogus info where needed. You can still be invisible.
    -nB

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  5. Hang on... by greyworld · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bell did not invent the telephone. It was Antonio Meucci!

    1. Re:Hang on... by the_humeister · · Score: 2, Funny

      Riiight... and next you're going to tell me that Christopher Columbus wasn't the first person to discover the Americas, that there's a NEW Mexico, that there's no Santa Claus...

    2. Re:Hang on... by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The history of the invention of the telephone is a confusing claim and counterclaim, further worsened by the lawsuits which hoped to resolve the patent claims of individuals. It is important to note that there is no one "inventor of the telephone", though Alexander Graham Bell is often credited as such, and the Italian Antonio Meucci was recognized by US Congress on 11th June 2002 for his contributions to inventing a telephone. The modern telephone is the result of work done by many people, all worthy of recognition of their contributions to the field. Bell was the first to patent the telephone, an "apparatus for transmitting vocal or other sounds telegraphically", 16 years after Antonio Meucci, who did not have sufficient funds to file a patent, demonstrated his "teletrofono" in New York in 1860.
      -Wikipedia

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  6. That's how I switched by NetDanzr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I moved to Atlanta in summer of 2004, it was the lack of pay phones in Midtown that finally made me purchase a cell phone. Had there been easily accessible pay phones in the city, I would most likely still rely on them. I wonder whether we'll see a significant increase in cell phone subscription now, or whether there aren't enough crazy luddites like me left anymore.

  7. wireless access points any one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    keep the phone add dsl to the line and a wifi connection - good to go.

  8. Took them long enough. by cyberworm · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's about phreaking time.

  9. Re:Bound to happen by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Funny

    My dog has two cell phones, thank you very much.

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  10. turning over to independent operators, that is. by mgoren · · Score: 5, Informative

    At least according to AT&T, the phones aren't just going to disappear. What the article says is that AT&T is getting out of the pay phone business, turning some or all of their phones over to independent operators.

    1. Re:turning over to independent operators, that is. by MyNymWasTaken · · Score: 3, Funny

      What are you doing actually reading, and comprehending, the article?

      This. Is. Slashdot!

  11. I hope BT doesn't follow suit by MSBob · · Score: 4, Funny

    The British Telecom phone booths look really nice not to mention all the handy hooker ads inside :-)

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    1. Re:I hope BT doesn't follow suit by rwyoder · · Score: 3, Funny

      The British Telecom phone booths look really nice not to mention all the handy hooker ads inside :-
      Not to mention the problems it would create for Doctor Who.
    2. Re:I hope BT doesn't follow suit by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is pedantry 2 DA MAX, but Dr Who uses a police box (which have already been phased out) not a phone box.

  12. Profit != Bad by p0tat03 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People are treating ATT like the scum of the Earth here, which they may be in their mobile business, but I can't see why expecting to break even is such an evil goal.

    Pay phones here in Canada are up to $1 a call now, ridiculous, when it was a quarter merely a few years before. The downturn in usage means increased cost per call for the few people that still use them, which drives a cycle that forces everyone to get some sort of cell phone.

    Both my brother (an academic) and my mother have pay-as-you-go plans, which cost them about $120 a year. That's really not too bad, considering they're light users. They enjoy the convenience of a cell phone, and also the security from being able to call emergency services wherever they may be, as opposed to having to locate the nearest (dwindling number) payphones.

    I simply do not see pay phones as having any further use to our society. They were important pieces of technology from a bygone era, that's all.

    1. Re:Profit != Bad by p0tat03 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This was a payphone at Union Station in downtown Toronto. I have no idea which one it is - only that my brother (before he got his cell) tried to call me, but only brought 50c in cash, and thus had to run about, buy random crap, just to make change.

  13. Re:Good by michrech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you have a land line at home and access to the telephone at work, then you really can get by without a cell phone. But then, say, when you are out on the road and you need to change plans with friends, you find that you need one. It used to be that you could use a pay phone on such an occasion. I don't think having land lines at work and home and occasionally using a pay phone means that you are poor. That's what "pay as you go" phones are for.
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  14. +1 GP by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every year that passes it gets more and more difficult to communicate without being monitored.

    1. Re:+1 GP by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, you think it's impossible for "them" to put cameras up near pay phones? In other words, if someone wants to monitor you, it's already a done deal. Don't kid yourself into thinking that someone cannot find out who used a payphone to make a certain call. With enough resources (and I'd bet AT&T and the NSA have it) you cannot be anonymous. Do you really think those payphones at airports aren't monitored closely?

      I dunno, I think getting rid of payphones isn't so bad. If there's a market for them, someone else can provide the service. I really think the market is drying up. Why should any company go to an expense to meet the demands of something there is little to no market for? Doesn't make any sense.

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    2. Re:+1 GP by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What, you think it's impossible for "them" to put cameras up near pay phones? In other words, if someone wants to monitor you, it's already a done deal. Don't kid yourself into thinking that someone cannot find out who used a payphone to make a certain call. With enough resources (and I'd bet AT&T and the NSA have it) you cannot be anonymous. Do you really think those payphones at airports aren't monitored closely?

      The real question:

      Is my using a pay phone really worth the time and expense for At&T or NSA to figure out who I am?

      Pay phones make it more expensive for whoever would like to track you, using a cellphone makes it easy and cheap for them.

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  15. Presumably by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One could buy all the payphones, stick a wireless access point in them and an ADSL port on the other end of the line.

    Hmmmm... With the dollar going off the cliff I might just be able to afford it.

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  16. Re:Bound to happen by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Funny

    My 76 year old dad has neither a cell phone nor a computer, and he likes it that way!

    I'm reminded of my mother's dad, who still used the outhouse even after my Uncle installed plumbing and a bathroom. "I lived [n] years without [plumbing/cell phones] and I don't need one now!

    I can just see when I hit 90. "Damn it, I lived 90 years without a matter replicator or a transporter and I don't need one now!"

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  17. Worse yet how will car run down trapped victims by gmezero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sigh... yet another classic movie cliche goes the way of the DoDo.

  18. Interesting by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 2, Informative

    AT&T continues to maintain it's Telephone Lease Program, but no longer maintains pay phones.

    How absurd. Did I mention I hate those bastards? I decided to give them a try, especially given their "30-day money back guarantee". I'd heard they had improved, they were a new company, my slashdot posting history aside. I found out two days later that I would be getting the same, standard 6/768 DSL they give everyone, not some new 8meg/2meg package the sales rep sold me on.

    Cancelled immediately. AT&T issued a bill for $100. Settled for $50. For 3 days of service, even with a "money back guarantee".

    So much for giving them a second chance. I'll never, ever, ever, ever do business with AT&T again. For any reason. To the end of my days. Those bastards will never, ever change.

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  19. Re:Just putting in my 2 cents worth by omeomi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember when you just had to push some buttons on a little box that you bought from that guy who always wore a trench coat, and the calls were free ;-)

  20. Re:Good by BoberFett · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use a pay as you go phone from TMobile. After years of paying $50/mo or more to Verizon I smacked myself in the head for being such a dolt. I reviewed my bills and found that I use less than 100 minutes a month. I fill my phone with the highest cost card ($100) which gives me 1000 minutes that last a year. At $0.10/mi, I spend ~$10/mo. for a cell phone. For light users pay as you go makes sense.

  21. Or those... by gillbates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who choose not to have a cellphone because they:

    1. Don't like the ability of the government to track their whereabouts, or
    2. Don't want to enable the government to surrepititiously monitor their conversations, even when they're not talking on the phone.
    3. Don't feel like being part of the my-employer/wife/etc-has-me-on-a-leash culture.

    I only reluctantly got a cellphone a few years ago. AFAIC, they're as close to a travesty as one can get; they've got more computing power than a PC did a decade ago, but are even less usable than the GI Joe walkie talkies I played with as a child. (I believe the audio was clearer.)

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  22. Didn't you see the movie? by Tetsujin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now where is Superman supposed to change? Superman has been dealing with this problem since 1978 at least... Remember? He tried to change at the payphone, but found that it didn't have a full booth around it... So he came up with other places to change, like in the revolving door, and in mid-air after jumping out the window, etc...
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  23. As goes AT&T so goes the world... by jpellino · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's 2600 supposed to put on their back cover now?

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  24. You don't understand the word 'need'. by FatSean · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most Americans don't, which is why they carry so much debt and the economy is shitting the bed.

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  25. Re:Good by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 2

    One more thought - your elitist classist statement turns my stomach. people like you are what's wrong with capitalism.
    Here's one more thought your sanctimonious statement turns my stomach. People like you are what's wrong with /. Isn't name calling fun?

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  26. Now! by atari2600 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now where/how exactly can Neo get back to base? Or for that matter Morpheus :(

  27. Re:Just putting in my 2 cents worth by barefoothannibal · · Score: 2, Funny

    I remember when cereal boxes would come with a whistle that would give you free calls, now THAT was a prize!

  28. They said pay phones, not the booths by TheAxeMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    Those will still be in place as public urinals. They just won't have that occasional annoying ringing while you're in there now.

  29. Not just Finland by pavon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to deal with this here in the US. The apartment complex that I live in has gates at all the entrances (not on the parking lot), to improve security. Of course they do nothing of the sort - I jimmy them open almost once a month when I forget my keys while doing laundry, and the thugs that are too stupid to do this just break the gate - happens about once a year. Only one of the gates has a device to buzz someones apartment, and that is the front-facing gate that no one uses because all the parking is in the rear. Half the people that come visiting either don't have cellphones, so instead they just sit out in the lot and honk their horn until whoever it is they are waiting for comes out. All hours of the day and night.

    Just because management thinks these flimsy pieces of metal decrease crime (or know that idiot customers think that) and they are too cheap to put in more call boxes. Can't wait till I get hired on permanently so I can buy a house.

  30. Nine ways to handwave lack of cell phones by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    then again, there will be a similar problem when horror movies eventually acknowledge that most people have cell phones. most of the classic horror movies work around the premise that you can't just call somebody and the cast has to continually walk into some sort of trap. Even after Verizon starts advertising its network in the commercials preceding the film, there are plenty of handwaves that screenwriters can still use to move an idiot plot forward:
    • Out of minutes on a prepaid phone
    • Parent confiscated cell phone for overage on a 24-month-plan phone
    • Setting the movie in plain people country
    • Rural area with "no conexión" as they used to say in commercials for La Quinta Inn
    • Cell phone jammer
    • Foreigners with a GSM phone in a CDMA country or vice versa
    • Cell phone confiscated by movie theater personnel after someone forgot to turn it off and it rang
    • Cell phone confiscated by movie theater personnel for fear of using it as a camcorder
    • People turned into zombies after being hypnotized by their cell phones
  31. From YOUR link, a lesson in calling people stupid by nunyadambinness · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Nearly every scholar agrees that Bell and Watson were the first to transmit intelligible speech by electrical means. Others transmitted a sound or a click or a buzz but our boys [Bell and Watson] were the first to transmit speech one could understand."

    That's from your link buddy.

    Does not reading a link that proves you are wrong, while obliviously arguing otherwise make you even more stupid then?

    Yes. Yes it does.

  32. Payphones will exist, they just won't be AT&T. by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Informative

    AT&T plans to help find alternative payphone operators for people who need them. The AT&T decision only applies to 13 states serviced by AT&T (SBC) payphones. AT&T only operates about 65,000 of the 1 million payphones in the US, while Verizon operates about 225,000. AT&T plans to sell as many of the phones and lines to independent operators as they can. They expect the majority of the phones to be bought by someone. They even expect to continue selling wholesale payphone service to payphone owners.

    It sounds to me they just decided to let someone else field the equipment. There's a lot of exaggeration around this story, but the facts are all over the web. Death of the payphone, indeed. This reaction is kind of like saying IBM getting out of the consumer laptop and desktop PC market was the end of the Windows computer.

  33. They've been phasing them out for some time now... by Desert+Tripper · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ... starting with the most famous phone booth in history, the Mojave Phone Booth. I had the privilege of making two pilgrimages to this phone and answering it during the height of its popularity in 10/99. Sadly, a few months later, the Park Service (or, more accurately, the fascist spoilsport in charge of the Mojave National Preserve) had enough of the innocent fun and ordered AT&T (then called Pacific Bell in the area) to remove it, which they happily did. Not only that, in true politician form, she created a nasty letter itemizing all of the bad things that were going on out there -- 90% of which were fabrications and exaggerations.

    The feeling of being out in a completely isolated, absolutely silent, gorgeous desert valley, yet receiving communications from all over the world, was indescribable. The 25+-mile, largely open-wire line even made strange pinging and popping sounds while one talked on it, which I later learned were distant lightning strikes being picked up on what amounted to a giant VLF antenna! I would imagine that someone would have heard similar sounds by hooking a speaker to an early transcontinental telegraph line.

    Leave it to the government to destroy a very positive and innocent phenomenon that served to bring people together. I imagine the copper thieves would have pilfered the wire eventually anyway, but the Park Service's action was premature, selfish and uncalled for.

    The death (murder?) of the MPB is a sad story, and was just the beginning of the end of the pay phone in general.

  34. two words... by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now where is Superman supposed to change? Stripper pants
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