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Which eBook Reader is the Best?

Mistress.Erin writes "I cannot decide between Amazon's Kindle and Sony's Reader. I've read some reviews, but their motives can be somewhat suspect. So, I come to the most tech savvy group around to ask: which eBook reader is the best? If not Kindle or Reader, then what?" We've discussed this question before, but things have changed a bit since 2005.

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  1. Suspicious motives? by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've read some reviews, but their motives can be somewhat suspect.

    I'm actually more curious about why you wrote that than I am about the eBook readers in question.

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    1. Re:Suspicious motives? by Mistress.Erin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Ciao, Infonaut! The suspect motives are things like the following:

      - the use of affiliate links to a product they claim not to like

      - the possibility of paid reviews

      - keyword pollution to get traffic to their site/blog/etc, when they may have not even used the device

      The list goes on, but I thought a community like Slashdot would give me the best unfiltered opinions on the subject or maybe point me towards something better.

      Does that satisfy your curiosity?

      - Mistress.Erin

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  2. The one that isn't Sony by EggyToast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if you need an explanation as to why "not Sony," you don't read /. enough.

    1. Re:The one that isn't Sony by db32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems to me that "not Amazon" is about an equal push so we are back to which one.

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    2. Re:The one that isn't Sony by orclevegam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It seems to me that "not Amazon" is about an equal push so we are back to which one. Unless of course someone can nominate a third option with features comparable to the ones on offer from the other two corporate behemoths. My dream eBook reader would have support for txt, pdf, html, rtf, doc, and maybe a couple of the actual eBook formats, have an e-ink display with a optional light (for reading in the dark), have some form of wireless (either wifi or cell), and be small enough to fit in your pocket without needing a crowbar. They're getting pretty close at this point, but I don't think any of the ones on offer quite hit all the bullet points.
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    3. Re:The one that isn't Sony by rudeboy1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agreed. The reviews I've read for the Kindle are spot on, saying "wait for the 2nd generation". If Amazon will redesign the thing, so it doesn't look like it was made in the 80's, drop the need to email non proprietary file formats to Amazon so they can be converted, and add in support for hyperlinked files, I will be first in line. I have a pretty good size collection of books sitting on my computer that are in HTML help files, which allow for hyperlinking directly to footnotes, appendices, references in other parts of the book, etc. Build a device that can take these things natively (support for the occasional picture would be nice, too), and I will be on board.

      Oh, and for some reason, the idea of being able to just plug in a thumb drive to the side of these things has escaped both of these companies. I can understand Sony's argument, since they make a whole line of flash media, but SD cards and the like are for cameras, not for storing books.

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    4. Re:The one that isn't Sony by Ted+Cabeen · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know Amazon has been really bad in communicating this, but you can copy non-proprietary formats to the Kindle for free. TXT files are supported natively, and most other files can be converted to Mobipocket files (.mobi) by the Mobipocket conversion tools. Once you have either a TXT or .MOBI file, you can copy it to the Kindle over the supplied USB cable. The $.10 transfer fee is only to use Amazon's converter and to copy the file across the Sprint wireless network. Yes, your HTML files aren't natively supported, but you can pretty easily convert those to MOBI (you may lose the hyperlinks, but the images should come through) and use them on a Kindle.

    5. Re:The one that isn't Sony by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unless of course someone can nominate a third option with features comparable to the ones on offer from the other two corporate behemoths.

      Ask and you shall receive:
      http://www.bookeen.com/ebook/ebook-reading-device.aspx

      It supports the same DRM mobibook format that the Kindle does, also has unencumbered support for HTML, PDF and more, doesn't have the ugly casing or awkward controls that the Kindle has. And yes - it runs Linux.

      Happy to help,
      -H.
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    6. Re:The one that isn't Sony by ghostis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, the OLPC XO-1 handles most of those formats and has a daylight low power reading mode and a screen that flips around for tablet reading. Mine arrived yesterday. It is one of the coolest things I have ever play with. Completely silent too, won't bother folks around you in a quiet coffee shop. Has an SD card slot and wireless. Battery has good life and handles 2000 recharge cycles. Not quiet pocket sized though ;).

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    7. Re:The one that isn't Sony by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For my WM5 PDA, I've always used uBook Reader. Fairly fast with a decent set of parsers and scrolling options, fonts, colorations, etc. Inexpensive, too.

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    8. Re:The one that isn't Sony by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wouldn't that product be a great one?

  3. Neither... by proc_tarry · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't support DRM technology.

    1. Re:Neither... by orclevegam · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you buy something made from dead trees, you can keep it forever and still use it in 20 years, sell it on e-bay, loan it to friends/relatives. Also, dead trees do not need batteries (as long as you have enough light), never go obsolete, and you can still use it even if the publisher goes belly-up. Of course they're somewhat less useful in the dark, or when you need to transport 100 of them in a 1'x6"x1" space.
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    2. Re:Neither... by pipatron · · Score: 2, Informative

      And here is some propaganda material: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/DRMEbookFlyer

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  4. I own some readers by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I own the original Sony Reader. If you mostly download your own books, then the new (PRS-505) Sony Reader is better than the Kindle. The Amazon ebook store is the biggest around, but it's still nothing compared to what is available in print. In fact, it's nothing compared to what's available on IRC.

    The best ebook reader around, however, is the Ebookwise 1150. The LCD screen doesn't have great resolution, but it has instant page-flip. The price can't be beat. The back-lighting is wonderful for night reading.

    If I were Amazon, I would have released a cheap reader to go along with my expensive reader. Something like the 1150, with just one or two modern improvements (USB file transfer).

  5. Tags by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd just like to say, whoever tagged this 'jetsvssharks', I salute you for bringing Broadway musicals into a story about eBook readers.

  6. Which reader? by mknewman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally I find both Kindle and Sony's reader too large. I use a Toshiba E805 PocketPC with VGA (640x480) to read books with either EReader.com's free reader or Mobipocket. The price is equivalent, about $400, but you can do far more with the PDA, it will surf the web decently, show movies, play games, play music, etc. You can even get a phone PDA that will let you download books and all kinds of other stuff over the air. I have a T-Mobile Dash and although small the screen is definately good enough to read books on too.

  7. ebook readers by mrneutron2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For the cost of the Kindle....you can get a cheap laptop, and be able to do more than just read a book. I read ebooks on an ancient Handspring Visor 8mb. Got it ages ago for about $30 on ebay.

    1. Re:ebook readers by JerryLove · · Score: 3, Informative

      For the cost of the Kindle....you can get a cheap laptop, and be able to do more than just read a book
      And the only downsides vs (say) Kindle?

      10x the weight.

      1/20th the battery life.

      No cell-net connectivity

      signifigantly larger closed

      Immensely larger open

      Much slower to come on / off

      can't really be used with one hand

      The list goes on. I love my laptop, but would never consider it as a book replacement. An E-Book reader is pretty much there.

  8. iPod Touch....not by wish+bot · · Score: 3, Informative

    It probably should be the iPod Touch, but the bloody thing doesn't allow viewing/opening/saving locally stored pdf's, unless you jailbreak it and install apache, php and god knows what else. Such a WASTE!

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    1. Re:iPod Touch....not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have the 16GB touch and a nokia N800. The latter craps all over the ipod for video and general 'putering. The screen is much clearer due to the better resolution and larger size. Viewing angles a very poor on the touch. Web is pathetic on the touch after getting used to the N800. The ipod is blurry and you are constantly trying to move the page around. The N800 just about handles most web pages without too much concern about losing an edge of the page. Which is nice.

      The touch is smaller, almost sleek but reminds me of the old sony and aiwa walkmans of the 80s, and let's be hones, it's also a bit girlie really.

      The N800 runs a version of debian, nokia even aid the developers working on the device. I can do IM and skype, and the imminent OS2008 update will give us BT headset support at last. Yay, BT skype on a small wifi device. It also has a pop-out camera for video conferencing (which is crap). It does use fbreader though, an app available for most platforms.

      It'll be interesting this time next year to see whether apple let devs get on and make the touch/phone better, or keep it locked out with their usual level of freaking control.

  9. Doctrine of first sale, drm, and used book stores by eison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    None of the above. Electronic books currently are nothing but publishers trying to kill used book resale, and I don't see why anybody should stand for it.

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  10. I have the Kindle, and recommend it by illumin8 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would recommend the Kindle for only one big reason:

    - Text search capability

    It's hard to believe that in 2007, the latest Sony reader has no ability to search through the text of a book. This is important for technical reference manuals and textbooks, and was a dealbreaker for me. I don't use the Kindle store (other than to purchase one book when I first got it), so I leave the wireless off to save batteries.

    I find the Kindle is dead simple to use. Plug it into your computer with USB, drag some Mobipocket, RTF, or TXT files onto it (convert your .PDFs with free Mobipocket creator), and there you go. No DRM necessary, unless you buy books from the Kindle store.

    Also, some people will complain about no native PDF support on the Kindle. This is not a bad thing. Sony reader displays PDFs, but shrinks an entire 8.5x11 page down to the size of the tiny screen, so it's almost unreadable! This is why you must convert your PDFs into Mobipocket format first, so that the Kindle can resize the fonts, etc., and it becomes an actually readable e-book, and not a glorified thumbnail viewer.

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  11. Re:Ah, teh good old days by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most people who try an eReader really like it. Having pages in a book flip around and trying to hold the book open is a slight inconvenience. And the instant gratification of downloading the next book of your favorite series on demand is a big win. (especially with devices like Kindle)

    Hyperlinks, bookmarks and notes are another powerful feature of an eReader. I only wish that you could share this meta data with other users more easily.

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  12. Nokia N800 or N810 by c41rn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure what kinds of eBooks the OP plans on reading, but using the Linux-based Nokia N800 or N810 internet tablets as eBook readers using FBReader is pretty popular. You can use the tablet for lots of other cool stuff too. You won't be able to read DRM'd stuff though.

  13. Re:what? by orclevegam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In most contexts people are referring to the last one, A device you can upload documents to for reading. Sometimes it can also refer to the first one. Some people argue that a dedicated reader is stupid and that they should just get a PDA or tablet PC, but that overlooks certain design decisions incorporated into dedicated readers should as incredibly long battery life, ergonomic design (for holding in your hand for long periods), and typically light and minimal design so it's simple to transport. Sometimes they also incorporate a light if the display is not backlit or otherwise illuminated.

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  14. Sony PRS-505 by csimpkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have the Sony PRS-505 and I love it. It feels wonderful. The screen is amazing (I believe it is the same screen as is used in the Kindle). I use linux, so I don't use the Sony Connect software. I use libprs500, which is a nice little program available for windows, linux and mac. I get my books from places like ebooks.com in Microsoft Reader (win2k in a virtual machine) format because the DRM can be broken and the files are easy to convert to a properly formatted PDF with OpenOffice. I only use the reader for reading books, so I can't speak to the quality of the music player. I can easily read 3000 pages on a charge. It is rated at 7500 page turns, but it still uses a tiny bit of power when it is just sitting there (unless you do an actual shutdown which is not obvious how to do and the startup time from completley off is significant). It took me about 25 pages of reading on the reader before I managed to stop admiring the device and get drawn into my book. Now, I can start reading a book and I almost forget I am using the reader.

    1. Re:Sony PRS-505 by Idaho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have the Sony PRS-505 and I love it. It feels wonderful. The screen is amazing (I believe it is the same screen as is used in the Kindle). I use linux, so I don't use the Sony Connect software. I use libprs500, which is a nice little program available for windows, linux and mac. I get my books from places like ebooks.com in Microsoft Reader (win2k in a virtual machine) format because the DRM can be broken and the files are easy to convert to a properly formatted PDF with OpenOffice.


      Yes. These steps sound so trivial, as compared to, let's say, opening a book. I'd absolutely go for one of these.
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  15. Emacs. by amper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, definitely Emacs. The only eBook reader that can read things to you with a Lisp...

  16. I have two answers by popvoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have used both. I also occasionally read books on my laptop. For most purposes, the eInk readers are a lot easier to read than LCD displays. I prefer the Sony Reader. DRM is not that much of an issue to me because I generally buy or download my books from non-Sony sources, BUT--and this is a major point--if you are a Mac User (or a Linux user), I recommend the Kindle. Sony, in their infinite ignorance, does not support anything but Windows. The other factor that I would check on is how many books are available in your format. I know a few people who have said that they couldn't find certain books for the Kindle that are available for the PRS-505. Personally, I have had the opposite results. One device that might bear watching is the OLPC computer because it offers the best of both worlds--it is a color display until you turn the brightness all the way down, and then it becomes a reflective gray scale display.

  17. The best Ebook reader by angevin · · Score: 2, Informative

    The best Ebook reader is the Hanlin Ereader v3. It runs the Linux OS, it is not DRM based, and it supports the most book formats or otherwise file format freedom. It supports PDF, DOC, WOLF, HTML, MP3, TXT, RTF, CHM, FB2, Djvu, PNG, TIFF, GIF, RTF, and JPG formats.

    1. Re:The best Ebook reader by Budenny · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps the V9 when it comes out? It seems to be the only one which is a decent size page. Should not be too long now.

  18. And free content....well, sort of. by iknownuttin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The best e-book for me is not an eBook, but the good ol' old fashioned ones with covers!

    I'm with you. And, I went to my local library and got a card. And now, I have access to thousands of titles for the cost of my tax dollars.

    I think a big part of the popularity of the e-readers is because it's just another gadget. Folks will come up with plenty of rationalizations as to why they need it or how it's so superior to a book. But that's the consumer mentality, I guess. It goes the same for fast cars (need them to merge with traffic!), SUVs (safety after all and I have kids!), computers, cameras, etc...

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    1. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And how many of those book will allow you to change the font size? Zoom? let you highlight a word to get a definition? And exactly how please are the librarians when you write notes in those books?

      I can't wait to be able to load up a book series and be able to cross reference names and events from within the series.

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    2. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by bkr1_2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Yes the information in the O'Reilly books is available elsewhere on the internet for free (as one other commenter pointed out), but having it available collected in one location makes it worth having."

      I have one word for you: bookmarks.

      Seriously, I understand the benefit of having multiple references in one place but I don't see it as beneficial for work unless you happen to do a lot of travel and work on airplanes or in airports where connectivity is much less convenient/likely.

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    3. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Time to blow some karma.

      What is it about the eBook articles on slashdot (a tech geek site FFS) that seems to bring all the Ludites out of the woodwork? I can understand people complaining about DRM, but at least half the negative posts are people saying eBooks are stupid and you should just buy the paperback. What's wrong with these people? Are they also going around campaigning for the return of the slide rule? I can appreciate if they give reasons why they think eBooks aren't ready yet, or what changes they'd like to see in eBooks, but just flat out condemning the technology for no reason other than they don't like it is silly.

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    4. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by bwalling · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I am one who thinks eBooks are foolish. Here are the problems I see:
      • Quite often, the physical book is cheaper, thanks to Amazon or some other discount provider. eBooks are overpriced and rarely discounted.
      • I cannot loan an eBook to a friend. I do this a lot with regular books, so it's a real concern.
      • I cannot borrow an eBook from a library. Thousands of books for free.
      • I cannot sell the eBook when I'm done with it. Same basic point: I cannot buy a used eBook like I can a real book (and used books can be rather cheap).
      • DRM. I run the risk that the permission granting service closes up shop. This has happened to other media, so it's a real concern.
      Quite honestly, I'm not sure what the benefit of an eBook is. Portability, I guess, but I don't really need to take 50 books with me. I'm usually only reading two or three, and it's no real big deal to pack three books on a trip. If all of that makes me a Luddite, then I guess I'm becoming an crotchety old man earlier than I expected (hey, they already play the music I grew up to on the classic rock channel, so I guess it's getting closer to time).
    5. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by bwalling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Forgot one more point: I have a lot of trouble finding the books I want to read in electronic formats. This happens a significant portion of the time. I don't read bestsellers (or fiction at all, really) and my selections don't seem to be mainstream enough to get into electronic formats.

    6. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Portability, I guess, but I don't really need to take 50 books with me.

      Also that they (should be) searchable. Those are the killer factors. I don't yet have an eBook reader for all of the other reasons that you mention.

      The eBook reader format that Oreilly adopts is likely to be my next favorite device, however. How would you like to search every instance of a function across their entire library, at once, on the plane?

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    7. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by lawd5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Electronic books don't necessarily have to be foolish. The five issues pointed out as problems above are really issues with the content rather than the technology. There are plenty of sources of free text content. Whether or not they are suitable on current readers is another story.

      As others have pointed out, searching and portability seem to be the big benefits. Conceivably acquisition and sharing of content (including mark-ups) could be made easy by the technology.

      I have not used specialized electronic readers, but I do a lot of reading from my Tablet PC. For e-book readers, I think inherent issues would be durability, and the need for special input methods for marking-up. I miss the feel of the paper itself and flipping pages when I read books on my computer.

    8. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by c_forq · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm sorry, but I just have to respond to this point

      I cannot borrow an eBook from a library. Thousands of books for free. How the hell is this a factor? Its not like if you get an eBook you suddenly can't use a library. If you buy an eBook reader - guess what? - the thousands of books for free at the library are still there!
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    9. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by jdh3.1415 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Are they also going around campaigning for the return of the slide rule?" Advantages of slide rules over computers and calculators

      Slide rules:

      - do not blue screen

      - do not require electrical power

      - are immune from nuclear EMP

      - quickly converts between polar and rectangular coordinates

      - visually teaches logorithmic identities

      - do not provide results to 15 sig. figures

      - there's nothing more sexy then bamboo sliding against bamboo

    10. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by bigmouth_strikes · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, your statement is obviously true, but I think the point the GP makes is that libraries should be seen as a feature of dead-tree books. Sure, you can go to the library anytime and leave with a couple of books, but that's got nothing to do with owning an eBook reader. So the key point is that when you purchase an eBook reader, it's a brick (to use popular nomenclature here on /.) unless your purchase content, to some extent. Dead-tree books you can read one a day without paying more than you already do, if you don't mind going to the library.

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    11. Re:And free content....well, sort of. by greg1104 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The eBook reader format that Oreilly adopts is likely to be my next favorite device, however. How would you like to search every instance of a function across their entire library, at once, on the plane?


      While books are relatively small in disk usage terms, I doubt you're going to fit the whole library on an e-book sized device. Maybe a laptop, but I kind of doubt even O'Reilly is "free" enough that they're going to give you their whole library on a laptop with only some DRM to protect it. One dedicated cracker and the whole thing escapes into the wild.

      If you take away the "on the plane" requirement, the Safari library subscription already allows you to do the type of search you're envisioning, for about the same price as a typical tech book per month. You can use that interface on any web browser, so you can do what you're requesting on a good cell phone right now.
  19. FBReader + the tiny Asus palmtop? by IronChef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I do my reading on a Pocket PC, with uBook, which is great software. I haven't used FBReader but it looks good from afar. Can anyone compare them?

    When I saw the tiny Asus machine, "ebook" was the first thing I thought of. Battery life is not great, but I'd be willing to plug it in on the couch/in bed, reserving battery power for being away. My Pocket PC only runs for a few hours too, and it's almost always enough to get me back to a charger-YMMV.

  20. Iliad Reader by BigPink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not consider the Iliad? It's an open (linux) platform, has wifi, a better screen than either of the others, and you can annotate books & make notes w/ the stylus. A bit pricier, tho:

    http://www.irextechnologies.com/products/iliad

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  21. The XO from OLPC? by Ugmo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The XO Laptop display is visible in full daylight. Its software is completely open. It can read and display open formats like plain text and PDF. It can download the files from the Internet using WiFi. It has extremely low power consumption and if you find yourself too far away from an outlet, you can charge it yourself. For the cost of a Kindle from Amazon you can buy an XO and donate one to a child.

    From the specs page of the XO PC at One Laptop Per Child:

    http://laptop.org/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml

            * Liquid-crystal display: 7.5" Dual-mode TFT display;
            * Viewing area: 152.4mm × 114.3mm;
            * Resolution: 1200 (H) × 900 (V) resolution (200 DPI);
            * Monochrome display: High-resolution, reflective sunlight-readable monochrome mode; Color display: Standard-resolution, Quincunx-sampled, transmissive color mode;
            * LCD power consumption: 0.1 Watt with backlight off; 0.2-1.0 Watt with backlight on;
            * The display-controller chip (DCON) with memory that enables the display to remain live with the processor suspended; the display and this chip are the basis of our extremely low power architecture; the display controller chip also enables deswizzling and anti-aliasing in color mode.

    1. Re:The XO from OLPC? by FlyingFork · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I know of a guy in my office who bought an XO for just that purpose. He brought it in to show it off. To be honest, from what I have seen it's perfect for reading ebooks. Course, that was one of the things it was made for. But at $400.00 its a little pricey.

    2. Re:The XO from OLPC? by Chalex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I bought one, and I am very impressed with the screen (not so much with the keyboard). It costs the same as the Kindle (for us), and does so much more, and has more pixels.

      Posting this from my XO.

    3. Re:The XO from OLPC? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Where do you get the eBooks?

      The thing about the Kindle is that it has a lot of eBooks available that are

      1. not mostly old things that are public domain
      2. not too expensive
      The Kindle appears to be the first eBook reader for which someone who is a reasonably avid current reader has a chance of satisfying most of the reading needs with, without spending a lot more money (other than the initial cost of the device itself). As far as the device cost, note that this is offset somewhat by the reduced storage costs. For someone who buys and keeps a lot of books, the savings in not needing to buy as many bookshelves could actually be more than the cost of the unit!

      For those looking for an eBook reader that also lets you read your own files, and things like that, the Kindle isn't there. But for those looking for something that is an alternate way to deal with books, it looks like the best so far.

    4. Re:The XO from OLPC? by timothy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Proj. Gutenberg is great, but (sticking to books that are not found in mysterious warez channels!) there are two other good choices I've hit lately and recommend:

      1) manybooks.net (not .org, as I'd remembered it ;)) -- just downloaded quite a few childhood favorites (Bobbsey Twins!), but not everything on it is old; for instance, I look forward to reading The Hacker Crackdown, which B. Sterling kindly allowed them to host.

      2) Scribd -- http://www.scribd.com/ unbelievable assortment; I think it's been called "YouTube for PDFs," and if not, there just called it that.

      There are also quite a few random ebooks out there hosted online by their authors or with their permission; I *think* Baen has lots of books like this online. In the Beginning Was the Command Line used to be up, though it looks like Harper Collins has changed Cryptonomicon.com to be just a plug for the book by that name. (Nothing wrong with that, though! Good marketing.) Read The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, PDF from https://antipolygraph.org/pubs.shtml, and Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do from http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/ This last is not a downloadable eBook, but rather the entire content of the (compelling!) book online; that (I assert) is a good argument for the OLPC XO.

      However, my XO came in the mail yesterday, so you can count me biased if you please ;) I got it in large part as an eBook reader, and so far I am very impressed with its capabilities. The keyboard is small (tiny!), but it beats the one on the Kindle, and it beats the one (that isn't) on the Sony even worse ;) It also has a color screen when you want one, and all the other goodies that the XO comes with.

      timothy

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  22. Re:Ah, teh good old days by OECD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been using my iPhone to read books. Mannybooks.net has a bunch of free/CC novels up (try "Geek Mafia") in a variety of formats, including a couple for the iPhone. I've been surprised that the iPhone works so well for this, although I haven't tried to read for more than an hour at a time or so.

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  23. Kindle's free wireless is interesting by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't own one so I could be misreading, but if I understand correctly, Kindle has free wireless internet access via the Sprint network, which is itself pretty valuable. I hear its browser sucks, but it's still better than nothing. It also apparently has some alternate (non-sucky-browser) interface to Wikipedia, and just being able to look up Wikipedia articles for free over a wireless cell network seems like a fairly useful feature, at least for those of us who aren't willing to shell out monthly or per-KB fees for wireless internet on our cell phones.

  24. I just bought a Bookeen Gen3 by qued · · Score: 2, Informative

    I looked at the Sony reader in Costco and the Kindle online.

    The real nice thing about the E-Ink devices (Sony Reader, Kindle, Bookeen, ...) is the very high resolution and effective infinite refresh this makes it real easy on the eyes when you are reading for hours at a time.

    The Sony is sleek and well designed, didn't like being locked into one store though. I ended up getting a Bookeen Gen3 and am very happy so far -- it weighs very little and looks much nicer than the Kindle. It supports the Mobipocket format and there are 20-30 online stores that have content; you will find some stores have books others do not.

    If you want to be able to browse web pages or other interactive things and believe that's more important than a reader device then I suggest you look outside of the E-Ink devices.

    If you value being able to search your e-books, something like the Kindle or other readers which have a keyboard may be better suited to your habits.

    This matrix compares specs of most major readers out there. http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_Reader_Matrix/

    Books On Board has a pretty good deal on Bookeen: http://www.booksonboard.com//

    An avid reader of Sci-F, Fantasy, and the occasional Mystery.

    -John

  25. Re:Doctrine of first sale, drm, and used book stor by spectecjr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    None of the above. Electronic books currently are nothing but publishers trying to kill used book resale, and I don't see why anybody should stand for it.

    Theoretically though, in time, the e-books should be much cheaper than the equivalent books. And the other reason to use e-books is one of convenience, which if you've got any kind of library you need to slough around with you every time you move house, you'd understand.

    Last time I did it, I just wanted to die. And then I decided "No, if I can get all my books on flash memory, I'd be very very happy".

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  26. eReader owner by sfranklin · · Score: 2, Informative

    I own a Sony eReader PRS-505. I got it to use mainly when I travel internationally, it's wonderful to carry 10+ hours of reading material in one slim package. I've found that it's also fine for everyday use. I use the USB cable (comes with the reader) to hook up to my WinXP laptop for charging and updating content.

    You can get books either through Sony's eBook site or by uploading RTFs and PDFs. (And a few other formats, that I don't use.) I have yet to buy a book from Sony, but I'm a big sci-fi reader so I've downloaded a bunch of stuff from the Baen free library (http://www.baen.com/library/) and other sources.

    Technically, I really like the features. The battery life is great, I've used it pretty much non-stop on international flights for 12+ hours and never even saw the battery indicator go down. The viewing area is plenty big, as long as you use the zoom feature properly to expand pages of PDFs. It's easy to switch from one book to another, and to maintain bookmarks.

    My only real complaint isn't specifically about the Sony, it's more an industry thing - I wish there was a standard book format. Rocket eBook, Windows CE books, Microsoft reader, Palm format, etc. It gets old seeing all those different formats all the time.

    I did see mention above about some other features missing, like a text search. Personally I don't really care about that so it's not an issue for me. Also I've seen folks complain about having to use a computer to get content (rather than wireless like a Kindle), but again it's not an issue for me. I work on my computer all the time, no hardship for me to use it for my reader content.

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  27. HanLin by J.+T.+MacLeod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You won't find it at BestBuy, but take a look at the HanLin eReader.

    The current model is about the same as the Kindle, minus the wireless, nice button interface, and DRM, and plus some real format support (PDF, various images, even doc files to some extent).

    The new model due out in the early part of the new year will make ebooks are really worth looking at. 825x1200 resolution on a ten inch screen with PDF support makes me very interested.

  28. Owner of both Kindle and Sony Reader by DrRobert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Two reasons that there is value to an ebook reader over PDA or laptop:

    1. The eInk screen is substantially easier to read. The Sony 2G is actually uncanny... looks like stickers stuck on the screen. The Kindle is much less contrasty and harder to read.

    2. Battery life. eInk does not use significant power unless you are turning the page, so the battery life of these things is on the order of 1week plus with heavy usage. When I have used laptops or PDAs for reading, the batteries die quickly (before I want to stop reading).

    Comparing the two.

    Sony:
          Much more contrast on screen. Very easy to read.
          Smaller
          Lighter
          Much more intuitive user interface. It has multiple choice buttons for navigations.
          Better physical design with buttons in convenient positions
          Feels more solid and less cheap than Kindle
          Software allows you to retag and organize files.
          DRM and limited store is a big minus.
          Better multiple format support

    Kindle:
          Staggeringly bad industrial design. Only really one good way to hold the thing without hitting one of the buttons which inexplicably are found on every side.
    Want to turn up the contrast on the screen.
    Bizaarr user interface that requires scrolling and multiple clicks with a secondary lcd screen to perform simple functions.
    Keyboard take a lot of space.
    No software to tag and oragnize files. So the list of files on the device is unweidly, long, and filled with incomprehensible tags from Gutenberg, Manybooks, or Fictionwise.
    Very restrictive DRM which cancels out its advantage of having a much larger and easier to use store for books.
    Wireless is good for subscribing to periodicals, not much else.
    Amazon has a staggeringly inefficient mail-in system for conversion. No conversion has worked well so far, strange spacing and formatting even in simple documents.
    They need simple PC software to manage the thing. The self-contained bit is inefficient and a waste of wireless and organization.

    I figure there are three kinds of reader:

    1. Like me - buy and keep books forever. Neither reader much good because DRM keep you from owning the books forever, just until the store dies or you want to change to a better competing reader.
    2. Buy books read and resell - no right-of-resale with either device.
    3. Buy "beach books" and throw them away. Both readers were made for you with the Kindle having a better store.

  29. Re:Bleah... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, good thing electronic devices never wear out. I mean, drop a book off your desk, that's it, you're toast. But a laptop, you could throw it across the room, and it would still work just fine.

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  30. XO laptop! by rlk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    bbaston on Groklaw received his XO laptop (see this story) seems to think that it will work really well for that purpose. I'm going to find out in a few weeks. Give one, get one!

  31. Keep Away From Sony! by Agent0013 · · Score: 2, Informative

    At this point, for me at least, Sony is off the list of acceptable products. From their CD's with root kits, to mini-DV tapes recorded in professional grade camcorders that cannot be read in any other camcorder, their products will end up screwing you over somehow. They are way into lock-in and product degradation. They no longer care about making a good product that people will want to buy. They have the big name that is keeping them afloat as the common tech-illiterate will buy their stuff because they see the commercials and they are familiar with the name.

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  32. Re:Where the fuck... by JasonKChapman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, yeah, I know eInk is expensive, but there are no cheap LCD ones either.
    Yes there are. http://www.ebookwise.com/
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  33. Great tip, thanks by manekineko2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Great tip, thanks. I was intrigued enough to go looking further:
    http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/09/18/hanlin-ereader-v9-due-later-this-year-with-10-inch-e-ink-screen-new-vizplex-tech-included/

    Of all the readers out there, the only one that has me really interested is the Iliad (discussed briefly in a comment above), but the high price tag is making me a bit reluctant to jump. The price of the current Hanlin is much more reasonable, and I've been dying for an eReader with a big screen for me to read technical PDFs and RTFs on.

  34. Re:Bleah... by The-Ixian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ebook readers are solid state electronics. They can (if engineered properly) take a lot of G's.
     
    I have dropped my PDA onto hard surfaces many times over the years and it is still ticking.
     
    I don't see why an ebook reader couldn't be any different.
     
    As a matter of fact, I have had my HP3150(?) for several years and I love it as an ebook reader. It is a perfect size, has a backlight and since it is a monochrome screen, I find that it is easier to read than the full color LCDs of more modern Pocket PCs. I replaced the battery pack in it last year so now I can get well over 10 hours of continuous use out of it with the backlight on.
     
    Another nice thing about using a Pocket PC as an ebook reader is that you can also read other formats like PDF and HTML, however, I find that it is best to use the free Word-to-Reader plugin from MS to convert documents to the .lit format.

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  35. It depends on your goal by JasonKChapman · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you want it for the reading experience, get the Sony.

    If you want it so that everyone will think you're geeky, get the Kindle.

    If you want it because you're truly geeky, get the Irex Iliad.

    There's more information than you ever wanted to know about e-book hardware, software, formats, etc. at MobileRead

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  36. Sony's Wasn't So bad actually... by GarfBond · · Score: 2, Informative
    I got to play with the latest Sony Reader revision at a bookstore the other day. I have to say, it's actually a pretty attractive device now. If you can get past the fact that it's from Sony (a hard tidbit to overlook, I know), you might come away plesantly surprised. The screen is nice, as you might expect. They don't waste any space including a keyboard like on the Kindle, so about 85% of the entire device face is screen, and not much else. If you're not a fan of large bezels or are a fan of the full-screen iPhone experience, you'll like the Reader.

    The hardware is actually surprisingly attractive. The body itself has a nice brushed metal feel to it now, not unlike a MacBook Pro. Buttons were a silver plastic I believe. The device is also really thin, which was a nice change over the first Reader I saw, as that one was a little on the chunky side.

    This being a store demo unit, I did not get to try out the Sony Connect store. This being Sony though, I'm not surprised if the experience had a tendency to suck. The Sony Connect music store's already been shut down, if you were curious how that effort was going in general.

    Read the Ars review if you want a more real-life experience though. Personally, I'd like the Sony Reader hardware and exterior combined with the Amazon software and EVDO connection as an ideal ebook reader.

  37. My experiences in selecting an ebook reader by SwiftOne · · Score: 4, Informative

    Having just gone through this process, allow me to pass on what I learned about the process.

    1) Know what you are getting into.
    Ebooks have some great advantages. However:
    * DRM is common
    * books are pricey
    * selection is very limited

    If you're still interested, continue.

    2) LCD vs Eink
    I read a lot on my Palm. Now that I have an eink reader, I'm not going back, I never thought LCD was "hard" to read on until I read on something else. However, eink means $$$ and few choices, while there's a number of established as well as new LCD devices for much, much less. LCDs can also scroll, while the eink has a .5-2 second refresh time. LCDs can have color while eink hasn't gotten that far.

    Your question implies you've picked, so we'll continue on, but others are recommended to visit a Borders and take a peek at a demo Sony Reader - the viziplex screen is pretty much the same for all the major eink readers.

    3) Pros and Cons
    There are basically 4 readers to choose from here (ignoring the fringe players):
    Bookeen
    Sony
    Kindle
    Iliad

    Iliad has some real perks, but I wanted a reader not a computer, and certainly not $700 worth.

    Bookeen has some nice features, but after my painful Zaurus experience, I wanted to stick to something intended for my language and a little more commercial support. When I bought my reader, the Cybook was still finishing off the rough spots. It may now be worthy of consideration, as it has a much wider selection of formats than the Sony Reader.

    Kindle - though it wasn't out when I got my reader, it came out shortly afterward. Major Pros are wireless access to snag books, improved book selection (still limited), and much better prices on books. Major Con is the highly restrictive DRM. That latter is what kept me content with my Sony.

    Sony - My eventual choice. It takes props as one of the only technology choices I didn't quickly regret. It has its limitations, most notably the crappy book selection, even crappier prices, and the eink refresh time. But it does what it tries to do reliably well.

    Here are the things about the Sony reader that the review may not cover (505 only, not always true for 500)

    It's a USB Mass storage device - so you can install books from any computer. What's more, it takes SD cards (and memory sticks, but I haven't mucked with that), and when the card is in the reader and the reader is connected to the computer, the card also appears as a drive on the USB device. I've been able to use my Reader on multiple computers, Windows and Linux, with no issue. There is no need to use the Sony software except to download from their crappy bookstore.

    You may see talk of a credit at the bookstore - that's for "Sony Classics" only, i.e. books you can grab off of Gutenburg for free. I recommend you turn to mobileread.com for your ebook needs and wait for Amazon et al to get a clue like they have (started) with Mp3s. Either way, don't factor the $100 credit into your comparison.

    The Sony Reader can handle LRF (it's propriety but not necessarily DRM'ed format) well, offering hyperlinking and 3 levels of magnification along with landscape/portrait modes. It can also handle TXT (I believe the zoom offerings are the same). PDF is also handled, but (1) Not "Digital Editions" (Adobe's DRMed books) and (2) It only offers 2 "sizes". Most PDF books come across as very small even when I have it zoomed and landscape. RTF doesn't resize in my experience, but it works well enough. Notably HTML, Mobi, Palmdoc, Word doc, and Openoffice formats aren't supported.

    Installing a book can be done with their crappy wanna-be Itunes like software...or you can drag and drop via USB and ignore that. I recommend the latter.

    The charge for me, reading a couple of hours each day, is a little less than a week. It charges off of USB no problem, standard mini connector. Your current position in books is lost if it goes dry, but nothing else, including hard boo

  38. one word: OLPC by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I type on my new XO (just got it through the G1G1 program) in Black and white mode, I can attest to the screen's clarity. It is like reading a newspaper, and the refresh rate is far superior to both the sony/amazon readers. Sure, its "not a reader", it's bigger than the other readers and its only available for order for another two weeks. However, with the upcoming sw update it will have close to a day's worth of battery in reading mode. It is also about the same price as the readers, and it is a laptop w/ built in wifi. Show me a current ebook reader that you can go to a website and download your book/pdf/news story.

    If you want a fast refresh, laptop capability and wifi enabled, go with the OLPC. And, did I mention you could accidentally drop it and spill you coffee on it and it will still work?

  39. E-BOOK READER by netmate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm looking for a reader that supports cyrillic fonts. Is there such a thing? Does anyone know anything about it?

  40. Re:Where the fuck... by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    $140 is not cheap compared to the near identical 'electronic picture frames' that are selling for 1/3rd that price.

    Electronic picture frame: Reads SD cards. Can parse image files and display them. Has a 5.6 inch color LCD. Has a few controls. Does not have a battery. Has speakers for some reason. $50

    Ebook reader: Reads SD cards. Can parse text files and display them. Has a 5.5 inch B&W LCD. Has a few controls. Has a battery. $140

    You seeing my problem now?

    Now, that's being unfair to the ebookwise people. They also have a modem built in, but, more to the point, the reason it's so damn expensive is that they are incredibly old. I have nothing against them. If it wasn't for them the damn market would be completely empty.

    The problem is that no one actually appears willing to actually manufacture a new device, which with modern engineering should cost about 60 dollars. (The added expense being the battery system. OTOH, B&W LCDs might cancel that out.)

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  41. cell phone as a 'pretty good prose reader' by bukuman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been reading on my cell phone, http://www.booksinmyphone.com/ has a nice reader and a good selection of packaged up public domain and CC books. I think phones have a lot of potential. Their screens can get a little bigger while still being pocket-able (essential?). I don't really understand why the manufacturers don't include eReader software on the phones.

  42. Re:Suspect? by DECS · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well the CNet "review" says:

    "Disclaimer: This is all based on what I've seen and read. I haven't seen a Kindle in person. Yet."

    WTF?

    If you want an excellent review that goes through the whole thing in excruciating detail, you should read the AppleInsider review:

    In-depth review: can Amazon's Kindle light a fire under eBooks?

    Disclaimer: I wrote it.

    If you like that sort of non-stop information that demands an attention span, I also wrote about iPod/iPhone video cables.

    I also wrote a disassembly of the George Ou Mac OS X vs Vista Vulnerability Numerology

  43. Re:What I want to know is... by freedom_india · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Landing and Takeoff take about 30 mins max.
    On a 7 hour flight, it is a tiny slice of time. Am sure any ebook would have run out of juice by that time and reading during landing is the least of your worries, unless you travel by Business/First class.

    If you are THAT concerned, get a paperback.

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  44. Re:Doctrine of first sale, drm, and used book stor by bhima · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AHH... This makes sense. I'm sorry, I should have said right from the get go: I have no intentions of ever reading or abiding by any license for an eBook put forth by Amazon or Sony. Rather I will continue to buy used books and I will happily download any digital content I find. I can't say that I have the vindictive anger at book publishers that I have for music and film publishers... it's not like I have quit buying their products entirely as I have with the music & film publishers. I like books and I, given a fair price, would buy them regardless of a digital version existing or coming with it. However I don't feel compelled to comply with such things that I find repugnant (like the Kindle agreement I just read) and I suppose given enough of that I may quit doing so much business with them.

    Currently I do spend a lot of money with Amazon especially buying new reference books in my field, often at between $150 & 200 per book or books in English (which, from Amazon.de, come at a premium). Given those prices, they should come with a digital version. Unfortunately I'm sure the reference or specialty books will be the last sorts of book coming to the eBook format. Actually come to think of it, I think for most books if I've bought a paper copy I should have rights to read a digital copy. I have no doubt, if I pirated a book and it was very good I'd eventually windup with a paper copy on my bookshelf.

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  45. Re:I imagine it's mostly ignorance by Ajehals · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you have (inadvertently) hit the nail on the head. I wouldn't buy an e-book reader that was, well an e-book reader.

    I prefer a device with a decent screen (a nice 4" Transflective VGA screen works well) that I can use for a multitude of things, listening to music (or in my case BBC Podcasts), browsing the web, reading my email, reading documents (normal office documents and PDF's), watching a film, displaying the photo's on my camera etc... On top of that I would like it to be a diary, calender, address book and note taker.

    That basically describes a decent PDA. The killer is the display if you can get a PDA with a decent display you are on to a winner. For me it is about having something that is useful on a day to day basis (i.e. the scheduling and communications element) as well as having general entertainment value (listening to Music / podcasts etc.. say in the car or at lunch). As well as also being there if I am travelling, commuting or decide I want to read something whilst I am out.

    I prefer my phone to be a separate entity, simply due to the fact that battery technology wont give me 10 hours of mp3s + reading a book whilst leaving me a decent standby and talk time at the end of it, but then that is a personal choice, plus there is nothing to stop you carrying a spare battery.

    The ability to carry multiple Gb worth of data (my PDA has both CF and SD slots so I use my SD slot as removable media) that are accesable on both the PDA and other computing devices is also a killer feature, so are charging from USB and wifi.

    I would never shell out a large amount of cash on a single purpose device, simply because I would mean another gadget to carry around, charge and maintain.

  46. Re:I imagine it's mostly ignorance by try_anything · · Score: 3, Informative

    No karma blown, they've never tried one so therefore ebooks/readers must suck.

    You're right; it's illogical. However, there is method behind the madness. I haven't, and wouldn't, come right out and say, "I've never seen an e-book, and I think they suck," but I'll venture an apology for those who do. I've been hearing people proclaim that displays are good enough to replace books, newspapers, etc. for twenty years. Not just futurists or marketers, but real people who actually used the technology. That's two-thirds of my life, so you can't blame me for being cynical by this point. E-book proponents suffer from being preceded by decades of enthusiasts who eagerly and prematurely embraced whatever technology was currently available as the successor to print.

    In fact, as the technology has become better and better, the predictions of the death of print have been toned down considerably. People made ridiculous claims about the supremacy of 80-column text on monochrome CRTs that no one would dare make about the Kindle today. I repeat, these were not (all) futurists, marketers, attention whores like Dvorak, or semi-literate basement gnomes, but real, educated professionals who had to spend a considerable amount of time in front of those CRTs. So, people who have never seen an e-book and feel safe disregarding all positive reports are just adopting a strategy with a proven track record. It's cheaper to assume e-books are useless, because you'll probably be right for years and years and save yourself tons of time and expense checking out new products, and then one day you'll be wrong, and you won't lose much over it. Unless you're Amazon, which is why they're going to be on the cutting edge the whole way, just to make sure they don't miss the turning point.

    By the way, I do have a Nokia n800, and I'm pretty sure it does suck :-) Aside from the size and weight, and the fact that it doesn't require any elbow room to operate, I find it far inferior to paper and even inferior to a regular old laptop. For the case of reading a newspaper, I find that I scan articles much quicker with a physical paper, and when I decide to actually read an article, I'm a better reader when using a physical paper because I often skip back and reread sections when reading a long article. The n800 is so small and slow that I do that much less. The longer the text, the worse it gets. I take my n800 with me when I'm not carrying my laptop, and when I get stranded in a coffee shop with nothing to read, I tend to buy a newspaper or grab a free paper rather than check out my news sites on the n800. Using FBReader, I was never able to get enough text on the screen using a readable font. (Well, of course not -- otherwise books that size would be very popular. Everybody loves the idea when they seen those itsy-bitsy books, then they buy a few and quickly sour on them. Even one page of the little yellow copy of Der Process I bought as a student, which is the smallest form factor I consider sane, has about three times as much text area as FBReader on my n800.) Honestly, if you used a similar device as a primary reading technology for a whole summer and didn't end up with a frothing hatred for it, then I think we'd probably feel very differently about the Kindle, too.
  47. Ebooks are a long-term threat. by k.a.f. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How the hell is this a factor? Its not like if you get an eBook you suddenly can't use a library. If you buy an eBook reader - guess what? - the thousands of books for free at the library are still there!

    Not true. If the proponents of eBooks had it their way, over time normal books would be phased out.
    And once no one remembers how great it was to borrow from thousands of books for a flat rate,
    it becomes much easier to have libraries outlawed. Do not think I'm joking - publishers would love
    to see that happen.