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Tiny, Morphing, Electricity-Stealing Spy Planes Developed

tkohler writes "The Air Force Research Lab is developing an Electric Motor-powered Micro Air Vehicle (MAV) that can 'harvest' energy when needed by attaching itself to a power line. It can also temporarily change its shape to look more like innocuous piece of trash hanging from the cable. For domestic spying, maybe it will morph into a pair of sneakers?"

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  1. !developed by yincrash · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not made yet. I doubt even a prototype has been made yet.

    1. Re:!developed by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not made yet. I doubt even a prototype has been made yet.

      Well, the prototype for the "stealing" part has already been developed. It's called Congress.

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  2. say it will morph by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    into the shape of a tin foil hat, and you have a paranoid schizophrenic's deepest nightmare

    and if it does morph into sneakers, does that mean we need tin foil socks too?

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  3. hmm by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice to see the govt has recruited the help of the Decepticons.

    1. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      i dont remember any transformers that turned into trash Wrong.
    2. Re:hmm by Skevin · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the perfect camouflage for them. Looking outside my window I can already count six transformers hanging off the power poles in the street, and no one's so much as raising a brow.

      Solomon

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  4. Whee Adjectives! by ThanatosMinor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tiny Morphing Electricity-Stealing Spy Planes flown by Tiny Mighty Morphing Power Rangers on secret missions to defeat Tiny Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!

    1. Re:Whee Adjectives! by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Funny

      This will never work, there are no pirates involved. If you have Ninja you must have Pirates else it just doesn't balance out.

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  5. Shoes by Astr4y · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From what I've heard around the county I live in, shoes on the powerlines indicates that there are drug dealers on whatever street they are hanging over.

    1. Re:Shoes by XHIIHIIHX · · Score: 5, Funny

      barefoot drug dealers no less

    2. Re:Shoes by wfberg · · Score: 5, Funny

      From what I've heard around the county I live in, shoes on the powerlines indicates that there are drug dealers on whatever street they are hanging over.

      Actually, it's the drug users that throw the shoes up there. Drug pushers are for some reason (a mystery to medical science) compulsively driven to powerlines with shoes hanging from them. Obviously this is seen as a big problem for the drug dealing community, which is trying to enter the 21st century, leveraging such fast-paced technologies as 'two-way pagers' and 'cellular telephones'. They find themselves involuntarily skulking around power lines in every sort of weather, knowing full well they could be successful drug deals in the back of the local chuck-e-cheese, but find themselves incapable of breaking the spell of such a powerful lure.

      Or maybe it's some sort of urban legend or something, and it's just, like, kids with nothing better to do throwing up some shoes. Dunno.

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    3. Re:Shoes by fireman+sam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I heard was that the shoes represented a "gang controlled area". If you were to enter this area, the gang would beat the crap out of you and then hang your shoes on the overhead cables. The more shoes that are hanging, the more bad ass the gang. The shoes are like trophies.

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    4. Re:Shoes by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's just a stupid urban legend. Shoes hanging from a powerline indicate nothing more than bored kids.

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    5. Re:Shoes by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 4, Informative

      actually if the shoes are in a gang's color it is their way of claiming the corner, usually for drug sales. a nearby gang would throw up one black and one red shoe tied together because those were their colors. that way other gangs and independent pharmaceutical salespeople are forewarned that they shouldn't set up shop on that intersection. if they do, they are asking to get shot. some gangs use it to claim the turf in general, but mostly it is used to mark drug spots now.

      i used to teach in the 'hood and was educated by my students about it. obviously this depends on the part of town we are talking about

  6. Optimus Nooo! by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Autobots Transform and Roll Ou..BIZZZZTTTKKKK

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  7. Pioneering work by Kazymyr · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...AFRL says the spy plane will need to collapse its wings and hang limply on the cable like a piece of wind-blown detritus

    Hey, I didn't know I was doing top secret research. Most of my model planes end up looking just like that!

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  8. The morphing technology is already proven by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Funny

    At the moment, this high tech surveillance equipment is cunningly disguised as a barrel full of pork.

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  9. weird warnings.. by wfberg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Challenges abound, though. Zac Richardson, a power-line engineer with National Grid in the UK, warns that if the MAV contacts an 11-kilovolt local power line, it could short circuit two conductors, causing an automatic disconnection of the very power the plane seeks.

    Why do they assume the UAV would be conductive? Wouldn't your best bet for tapping energy off power lines be to simply use induction? You don't even need to land on the lines themselves; a fluorescent tube light will light up at yards from the power line.

    Do National Grid power-line engineers not know of this?

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    1. Re:weird warnings.. by bkr1_2k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. Magnetic charging like many "toothbrushes" and the like use inductors, so could these little things. That combined with flexible solar cells and there's no reason why these things would ever need to "come home".

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    2. Re:weird warnings.. by pclminion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To do that the UAV would have to hover sufficiently close to the power line. I bet the power used to hover is more than the power you could possibly extract by induction.

    3. Re:weird warnings.. by richard.cs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      so are you telling me that if I throw a fluorescent light at a power line it will glow?

      Not quite. Hold one end of the tube, point the other end at the line. Needs to be one of the higher voltage ones cos experience shows that 11kV doesn't cut it (although it might work if the lines were really close to the ground, depends on the electrostatic field in Volts per meter). The tube will light but not that brightly so you'll have to do it at night for it to be visible. Ever see this photo?

    4. Re:weird warnings.. by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh? Why couldn't it just have an insulator on the bottom of it, and land directly on the line?

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  10. Re:Solar by JustCallMeRich · · Score: 2, Funny

    Low power. The solar cells would need to spend a lot of time recharging that battery.

    Where the line power will quick charge it so it can get back to work doing whatever it does over that suspicious looking nude beach.

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  11. It might just be wet by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Informative

    The guy has a point. At 11kv, water conducts and the design of insulators is a nontrivial problem. The idea of something like this deliberately flying into power lines will cause any power systems engineer to worry. Here in the UK, much of the country has significant rainfall, and fluctuating wind. I doubt it would be possible to fly reliably close enough to a power line to tap energy by induction, a small stray gust would take you straight into it.
    Fortunately in the UK politicians are not allowed to add pork barrel projects to unrelated bills, the MOD is incompetent, and we have no money thanks to our wonderful banking system, so we won't be able to afford these things. We'll have to stick to cctv cameras that usually don't work, and people conveniently "losing" the results when they do.

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  12. Re:Technical Capabilities of Citizen vs. Govt Narr by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I should have given examples, you're right.

    Let's use the DARPA challenges as an example of technology which is available to the individual and for which no superior technology existed for the govt. The vehicles from these competitions are created by private citizens and the government did not have anything better.

    As image recognition technology progresses it will probably be just as advanced for the individual as for the government. This will probably be because it will be created, not in some government lab, but at Google or perhaps Hans' garage in Berlin. Perhaps the govt will have server-farms all using the image recognition tech to mass view images, but the fundamental algorithms (the tech) will be the same.

    I guess my point is that the stuff coming out of government labs these days doesn't really strike me as far superior to that which private labs are producing. In other words, the governments advantage has shifted from quality of technology to quantity.

  13. It's a polymorph! by Black+Cardinal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hopefully it doesn't turn into a pair of shrinking boxer shorts!

  14. The hard part. by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AFRL's initial aim is to work out how to make a MAV flying at 74 kilometres per hour latch onto a power line without destroying itself or the line.

    Yeah, that would be the hard part. 'Till you've figured that out, there's nothing to see here.

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  15. Meh by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's OK I guess... but their bomb that turns you gay is just fabulous!

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    1. Re:Meh by dbIII · · Score: 4, Interesting
      That is really bizzare - paticularly the idea that it should make the soldiers more interested in sex than fighting. Isn't a typical well trained and highly effective combat soldier more interested in sex than fighting anyway? Even as a computer wrangler I'm far more interesting in sex than adding more cluster nodes and another file server no matter that they have wonderful AMD 8 way goodness - but I can still do my job.

      When you have clueless barbarians with influence you get weird lysenkoism like this.

  16. Re:Is why the power goes out when I have sex? by Grygus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this why every time I have sex the power seems to brownout and then sometimes goes out?
    No, that's your "sex" making you go blind.
  17. Just what does that mean? by ClayJar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm trying to come up with a reasonable identity for the cosine of experience.

  18. Using electrostatic field gradient by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cute idea. What they're trying to do, it seems, is mooch a little power from the electrostatic field gradient around the wire. This is quite feasible if you have a wire with a few KV to ground. The classic demo is to light up a fluorescent lamp by placing it vertically below a high tension line. This works partly because air is not a perfect insulator. There's an electrical path to ground; it just has a high resistance.

    If the thing lands on an 11KV power line that's 10m above ground, and has a conductive part that dips 10cm below the line, it should see a voltage difference of about 90 volts. You can't draw very much current before the voltage difference disappears, but you can draw a little.

    It's also possible to extract some energy magnetically. See U.S. Patent #3,202,963, "Apparatus for Illuminating Power Lines". But that approach requires heavier parts than an electrostatic approach.

  19. Re:Gangs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are no gay frat boys?

  20. Re:Gangs by Yoozer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ah, but you missed something important; the fraternity was named Phi Alpha Gamma.

  21. Disguise really required? by PhotoGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    How much time does this thing require to spend on charging? The exposed powerlines it could latch onto are typicaly 11 kilovolts and up. It wouldn't require a lot of time to charge on those, so doesn it really need to diguise itself? Even if it looked like a pair of sneakers, the fact it flies in and out, might raise more suspicion than the look while charging. Also, the transformers required to take 11kv down to 220v for the house, aren't exactly dainty; how could this device step down the power with lightweight gear? (The power between the transformer and the home are in shielded cables, unlike the 11kv lines.)

    FYI: In a typical power pole situation, you have three wires on top (in sort of a triangle config), and one part way down the pole. The top three are three different phases of the AC power, and the one part way down the pole is ground (you can see the occasional tap where the line is grounded to a stake in the ground). The step-down transformers for the home circuits tap into the ground, and one of the three phases, to give you 220v for several homes. (Factories and such will use all three phases for serious equipment.) Often on branch lines, only one of the three phases (and the ground) will be tapped off from the main line, to service some houses (with skinnier looking pole arrangements with only two wires). The fatter, insulated wires on the poles are cable and phone lines.

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  22. Re:Nothing to see here... by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 2

    what is more stupid is how frequently a young kid with dreams of being rich would stand on a marked corner like that with a pocket full of crack waiting for someone to slow down. more often than not he would get shot or shot at in short order by whoever claimed the spot. i remember some 16 year old kid getting shot with one pocket full of cash and the other full of tiny bags of crack, about a block from the school. the next day the kids there were talking about how he was on "someone else's corner."

    the street level drug sales are poor kids with no idea of how dangerous of a profession they are entering. a car slows down, they walk up, the transaction lasts about 30 seconds. if a cop comes they run. always. and since they are neighborhood kids they know every alley. and if they get caught, yeah it usually does take a few offenses to get a custodial sentence because they are underage. by that time they are a career criminal, well on their way to having no chance at a decent life.