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Japanese Government to Regulate Online Communication

Chris Salzberg writes "The Japanese government made major moves this month toward legislating extensive regulation over online communication. In a series of little-publicized meetings, two distinct government ministries pushed ahead with regulation in three major areas of online communication: web content, mobile phone access, and file sharing. Content regulation will cover anything on the web, including personal blogs and web pages. Upcoming mandatory filtering of mobile phone access is targeted at users under age 18, and will cover chat rooms, forums, bulletin boards and social networking services. File sharing legislation will initially target illegal downloads, but, according to critics, may ultimately broaden to include streaming media from sites such as YouTube."

143 comments

  1. sony by anagama · · Score: 1

    Sony must be tickled pink.

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  2. Before anyone cries censorship by dorpus · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a way to make up for the deficiencies of Japan's legal system. Under the present system, people can post anonymously online , often through the "2ch" bulletin board, to make up false accusations about others, post their financial and medical records online, their bank account numbers, spew racist rhetoric, make death threats, etc. Japanese courts have shown no interest in enforcing the egregious violations of other people's rights. At present, there is a whole subculture of professional losers, the "NEETs" in their 20s and 30s who live at home with their parents and don't work, who spend their lives posting this stuff on the web.

    1. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand why anonymous slander is illegal. Where's the credibility? Sounds like a waste of taxpayers money to me.

    2. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this is bad how ?

      Anonymous accusations have no credibility, it would show some maturity in society to just ignore them instead of suing their anonymous authors.

      Anonymous deth threats have no more credibility.

      Racist rethoric is, as far as I know, free speech.

      Posting of financial and medical records are possible only if someone has made a criminal incompetence in a bank or at a medical database. You should sue them instead.

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    3. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes, think of the children.

    4. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And this is a better way to fix the system... how? By having Aniue make sure that neither they, nor anybody else, steps out of line? If the judges won't be responsible, why would any other part of the government be?

    5. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Anonymous accusations have no credibility
      But baseless assertions made under a pseudonym are 100% credible.
    6. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to sound ignorant - but as long as you can contact the owner of the site and have the slander / personal information removed, what's the problem exactly? I mean I can post anonymously on Slashdot and say 'Lindsay Lohan has an IQ of 74' and I can even do so anonymously. What will change under these new laws? Surely Slashdot and other sites outside of Japan will be unaffected?

      I don't really get it...

    7. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crap ... i apologise. i had mod points and intended to mod you up, but somehow selected the wrong damn list item and accidentally modded you down. i'm sorry (and embarrassed). by commenting on this thread, i negate my mod right?

    8. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anonymous deth threats have no more credibility.
      Tell that to Benazir Bhutto[1].

      [1] Just in case you're American, she was a former prime minister of Pakistan[2]
      [2] It's near India.
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    9. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

      To be fair a large portion of the complaints about Western countries (especially the US and Britain) operate under the same ideas. The "World is Going to End" ideas seem popular right now.

      In those countries many times things are not decided until a high enough court hears it and lower courts tend to enforce laws passed by the governing body (said governing body doing things it knows will get shot down yet do it anyway, usually because of funding). Unfortunately we see that as every new technology comes out it has to wind its way through the courts even though it is pretty much obvious what the outcome will be. Some use this as a "OMG - You Sucks!!!" opportunity when we (and in this case Japan) really doesn't, and rarely are the systems from the criers any better and usually worse.

      That's not to say writing your govt is a waste of time nor is public demonstrations - many times without them things will degrade to a really bad state. However, hyperbole doesn't helps one cause either. While it may help in the short term once it is shown to be horridly inaccurate in the long term you loose any credibility you gained in the interim. Best is to be as truthful as possible in every state transition even if you see greater gains in that transition.

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    10. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can post anonymously on Slashdot and say 'Lindsay Lohan has an IQ of 74'
      Personally, I'm getting tired of these astroturfers, always spinning the truth to be more favorable for their customer.
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    11. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by marcello_dl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Besides, people that accept countermeasures acritically can be easily tricked into accepting anything.
      You want to own the internet? first let a bunch of loonies roam it spewing falsehoods and bothering people. I guess many of them could be reported to their ISP and blocked before they learn about anonimity. Then, make some media fuss to augment the perceived scope of their actions, and then, legislate for generic censorship to "save the internet".

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    12. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by thej1nx · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Actually this is plain old silly. Not to mention history repeating itself. A prime example of Japan Govt trying to yet again appear "civilized" to the "westerners".

      Filter mobile access for under-age kids??? Ha! "Think of the children" is kinda hard to argue against. Except that instead of USA, this is now done in a country that has pedophilia as a national obsession.

      Since past 3 months, the area outside Akihabara train station itself in Tokyo is experience a curious phenomenon. Droves of young girls barely 12 or 14, sit in costumes outside, selling their "Sexy and cute" photo albums. They are surrounded by literally hundreds of Japanese men in their late 40s whipping out their cameraphones and cams and clicking pics. And then there is Enjo kosai... the practice of "compensated dating"... basically young schoolgirls having liaisons with middle aged Japanese businessmen for quick pocket money. And then you have this certain prefecture in Japan, that still refuses to make sex with minors an illegal and punishable act. Japanese businessmen regularly flock to the place for a "good time".

      If that is not enough, you have to just look at the so called manga magazines. The covers are adorned by near naked child models that are usually 20 or 18 but are clearly sought after because they look almost 14 or 15. Any bets what fantasies, are being catered to? And even that facade is dispensed with, when it comes to actual renditions of female comic characters inside. They are drawn to look like 9 or 10. The younger, the better. Did I mention that this explicit content is sold on the shelves openly, available even to kids? Oh, the more "adult" content magazines (with real photos of sexual acts) are usually sealed, but animation stuff with same content(drawings of explicit sex acts) is considered pretty okay. It is just drawing, you know?

      This is where it all becomes a big hypocrisy. Japanese government will have to take care of these more entrenched areas of deeply embedded lolita-complex of the Japanese society, before it even ever begins to pretend to care about protecting minors. The politicians there, are notorious anyways of "thinking of the children" all the time. It is just in a different sense.

      Not impressed.

    13. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Nossie · · Score: 1

      heh and your geek card, hand it in on your way out sir ;)

      (its a pita ass... I did exactly that the other week there :( )

    14. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I live on Okinawa, home to the shortest High School school uniform skirts in Japan (and damn proud of it).

      Not a day goes by when I don't see some high school girl's underwear (or more when they don't wear them) just by driving to work.

      The problem lies with the girls themselves, competing to see who has the shortest skirt, loosest *ahem* socks, etc...

      All in all, Japan is not a bad place to live...

    15. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      When a government decides what communication is allowed and what communication isn't and then actively prevents disallowed communication, that is censorship. It doesn't matter what the communication is or what excuses are used to justify the policy - government controlled filters are censorship, and censorship is evil.

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    16. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      to make up false accusations about others, post their financial and medical records online, their bank account numbers, spew racist rhetoric, make death threats, etc. One of these things isn't like the others! ;)

      How in the bloody hell can you compare spewing racist rhetoric and posting medical records? If someone from the KKK or Kill Whitey wants to blather on and on about the evil black/white race, let him - it's cheap entertainment. No one with a double digit IQ will take them seriously.

      Hell. The Creationist nutjobs are a helluva lot more dangerous than any racist I've come across - but I still would protect their right to make an ass of themselves.
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    17. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why don't you try generalizing 100 million people a little more; I don't think you were quite bigoted enough. "Lolicon" is a subset of manga and anime; in no way is your incredibly broad generalization accurate when it comes to the majority of drawn material of any kind. From my experiences in Akihabara, there is no shortage of street performers and costume play cafe advertisers, but certainly no 12-14 year old girls selling photobooks of themselves that I saw in 3 months of near daily visits.

      I'd stop taking everything you hear reported in sensationalist or biased media at face value before you go off Japan-bashing.

    18. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by am+2k · · Score: 1

      Maybe the only difference to European/American society is, that they're doing it out in the open? There have been a few arrests for child porn in my area lately, and from the things that are said about those, they just replaced public places like train stations with more private ones. You can't "cure" pedophiles by telling them that it's forbidden.

      Besides, I couldn't care less about children seeing other (drawn) children their age naked.

    19. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      syntax makes this look like an indoctrinated Chinese/Korean hate post. and this gets modded +4?

    20. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by EvilNTUser · · Score: 1

      "Anonymous accusations have no credibility, it would show some maturity in society to just ignore them instead of suing their anonymous authors."

      Come on. The whole problem is that society isn't mature. Would you really trust any future employer or potential girlfriend to look up your name and not even think "what if"? If someone did that to me, you bet I'd want to sue them.

      While I don't necessarily support this particular legislation, I wouldn't have any problem with the government tracking down users that a judge think might be guilty of slander.

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    21. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      And why should any of that be illegal? And if people want to post their financial or medical records they can go ahead and do that- but they should be prepared for the consequences, especially with that medical record data...

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    22. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      O Rly? Big Brother loves you.

      If you're a controversial (or at least targeted) political figure then I guess it doesn't make a difference whether or not you get anonymous online threat of assasination, because you are in danger literally every day. 1984-type environments don't solve that, and it is rather naive to think otherwise. If you're not a targeted political figure/notable person and you are getting anonymous death threats online, you should probably ignore them. Or I will kill you.

      Also, the OP defeats his own claim of the necessity of this "benign" intervention by the gov. because the cause of the large amount of death threats/defamations/silly activity is already known according to him. What is there to investigate? And if it wasn't 20-30 year olds in their mothers' basements it will more likely be teenagers in their mothers' basements. I am not willing to sacrifice my privacy and have totalitarian control over my communications to cater to the possibility that one of these millions of teenagers may actually be screwed up enough to be serious. That is something that common sense and normal precautions will have to take care of, I'm afraid. Reports should simply be made to the ISP/forum provider when things get annoying. Life goes on.

      It is worth noting that no reasonable measure of privacy can be expected by communicating unencrypted information over the internet in the first place. But officially announced totalitarian practices are another thing entirely, and I think the Japanese people should oppose them with all their might.

    23. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Faylone · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you negate it by posting as AC, I think you have to post with the account that did the moderation, but I'm not sure.

    24. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What I always fail to see when reading comments like yours is why you are against drawings, or pictures of adults (!) merely *looking* like they're teenagers, and so on.

      Maybe it's just me, but wasn't there a *reason* for child abuse being illegal? There was, and the reason was that it actually hurts actual children - not that it offends your (or anyone's) personal taste.

    25. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Laws intent should be to help the society mature. I would like to see the term "Anonymous coward" become more common use in law (i.e. someone who can't be found and has no legal responsibility) and journalism (i.e. affirmations that he makes must have an intrinsic merit, not be factual).

      The society is indeed not mature at all, but going the easy way just leads to Idiocracy. I guess you will have to explain to your employer or girlfriend what kind of merit these accusations have. And if that fails, nothing forbids you to post your own praises anonymously, at least to show to people the merit that these accusations have.

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    26. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Citation needed]

    27. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, is this really Yvanhoe ? I once saw this guy deviate an asteroid that would hit earth with his bare hands ! Way to go man, to bad I don't have mod points !

    28. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by zehaeva · · Score: 1

      I don't want to be an ass but I'm not sure that anonymous death threats would really be the mitigating factor here, you are talking about a woman in a position of power and authority in a culture that has for quite some time now grown many extremist groups and harbor anachronistic attitudes towards women. I think her assassination was a very real possibility the moment she took office, the anonymity of such threats to do so are kind of a moot point. Its sad that such a thing could be but when people let religious ideology guide them and leave reason behind this is the sort of thing that happens.

    29. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can post as AC even when logged in, it's just a checkbox away.

    30. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by DrLang21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes because porn in America doesn't at ALL try to choose women who look younger than their age. You don't see it on the magazine racks, but there's a huge market for "barely 18" pornography websites out there. Don't be fooled, the "barely 18" is just another way to say "I want them younger, but I'de be a terrorist under US law if I said so out loud". The low age of consent in Japan prevents teenagers who have sex with eachother from getting put on child sex offender databases like we have here. Sure Japan isn't the utopian society that many people would like to believe it is, but we arn't doing much better in the good ol USA. And why is it that so many people here seem to think that simplistic drawings and photos of the same thing are on the same pornographic level? There are plenty of fine arts works in small museums out there that are down right pornographic. Yet when we talk about art in a museum, that is somehow different because suddenly people are somehow trying to interpret it.

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    31. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My theory: japanese government publicizes this misinformation about young girls giving service, to attract american tourists

    32. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by module0000 · · Score: 1

      You don't make up for deficiencies with gross over-applications of big brother.
      Also, death threats don't kill anyone, bothering to police them is a waste of time.

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    33. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why anonymous slander is illegal. Where's the credibility?

      Sadly, creditability is a moot point for much of the world. Critical Thinking is not taught to school children, only the rote memorization of (often trivial) facts. Carry those learning habits into adulthood and it is no wonder that the gossip culture is booming in most industrialized cultures? A rumor doesn't have to be true it just has to be repeated.

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    34. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
      is honest.

      A rumor doesn't have to be true it just has to be repeated.
      No, I think that rumors also require a certain negative content to grow legs.
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    35. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Islamist idiots were going to take her out no matter what. Her very existence offended their core belief system and she knew this better than anyone. Who didn't see it coming?

      BTW: You're comparing an anonymous internet death threat (how many do you think the average celebrity gets?) with someone who decided to thumb their nose at a well-armed islamist militia. This is the kind of non-argument we expect from right-wingers pushing their personal agenda.

    36. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      deeply embedded lolita mmmmmm.......
    37. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you have things you don't want to be known by others?
      Anonymous slanderers may expose everything including your real name, address, occupation, salary, the register of your house, family photo, and everything.

    38. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      Death Threats against Bhutto were often public.

      Whichever organization killed her probably announced their intention to do so beforehand.

    39. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      First off this is Japan, not the US, so the laws aren't the same, nor is free speech treated the same. Also on this point, don't assume that Japan has as tight of a lock on medical records as the US does.

      I will illustrate with an example.

      I went to the doctor for a cold. Since I am a foreigner, I have to show my Foreigner Registration Card to see the doctor. This card has my work contact information on it. After my visit was over, the doctor contacted my work and told them I had visited and what I was diagnosed with.

      This has happened to other (foreigners) as well. I don't know if the same happens to Japanese people as well. But the point is, don't assume that there is a Japanese HIPPA.

      I am not an expert on the Japanese legal system, but I am quite aware that there are very few lawyers here compared to the US. Don't assume that you could just easily sue someone either. I'm sure its not that easy to do in the US, but I would be greatly surprised if the Japanese system was anything close to the US.

      I guess this whole point has nothing to do with the original topic at hand. Mainly it was to point out that a lot of the comments, not just this poster's, are rather ethnocentric in nature and shouldn't really be modded as insightful, since they are anything but.

    40. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

      Real classy way to insult americans. Thanks for teaching us a better way to comport ourselves.

    41. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you are going to bash Americans, you need to go full-out.

      Tell that to Benazir Bhutto[1].

      [1] Just in case you're American, she was a former prime minister of Pakistan[2]
      [2] It's near India.[3]
      [3] That's in Asia. [4][8]
      [4] East of Europe[5], North of Africa[6]
      [5] You know, England, France[7], etc
      [6] Where Florida hurricanes[11] and black people come from.
      [7] Ballet, Dijon mustard, and ... oh, never mind, the Eiffel Tower.
      [8] Still not getting it? The Eastern hemisphere[9]
      [9] The other side of the world[11] from where you are now[10]
      [10] No, NOT Brazil. The OTHER other side.
      [11] The weather, not the sports team
      [12] Planet Earth, where everyone... oh fuck it.

    42. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Sounds like it could be a field day for lawyers if all this could be regulated and people could sue etc. - sounds like a lot of lawyers could be making a lot money here (who do you think designs new regulations) ... hint to Japan, in overly litigious societies lawyers function in large part as an unnecessary drain on the economy, essentially parasites bleeding the wealth out of out of the productive portions of the economy while contributing little, don't go down that road.

    43. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the comment-please don't assume that we here in the United States are clueless. Our current leadership may be fully owned by the 500 biggest companies in the US, and we don't have universal health insurance as the private companies who provide it don't want competition, but that does not mean that we don't know what is going on. Our TV news is useless, Britany Spears is a questionable national product, but basic geography is known here.

      Look further. The USA provided Pakistan with "nuclear security". This means that whatever system we gave them, you can be sure we have backdoor go/no codes.

      Really. If you don't live in most of Western Europe or the well off Asian rim nations, you want to get in here.

      Again, don't confuse the practices and "policy" of the Bush "administration" with what Americans think. Since the Election (s) were stolen, the "will of the people" has not been in control for at least eight years. What you are seeing is the "will of the corporations" which is an entirely different thing. Our media reflects a desire to foster mindless consumption by the corporations, not what anyone actually thinks.

      Yes, it's screwed up, but what country isn't?

    44. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Macka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anonymous accusations have no credibility, it would show some maturity in society to just ignore them instead of suing their anonymous authors.
      So if I were to submit a post accusing you of being a pedophile, siting names, dates, times and places of various misdeeds and degenerate behavior; but did so anonymously, then my accusations would have no credibility? It wouldn't matter that I was making it all up. If I sounded convincing enough for people to believe it then I'd be willing to bet you'd soon change your mind when you started receiving your first lot of hate mail and death threats.

      Anonymous deth threats have no more credibility.
      Really? Following on from my previous point; imagine you're now receiving anonymous death threats because someone out there now believes you're a pedophile. Are you going to ignore this and not bother reporting them to the police because they have no credibility? You'd be a bloody fool if you did.

      Racist rethoric is, as far as I know, free speech.
      Not in the UK it's not. You can go to jail for using racist rhetoric to incite racial hatred, and rightly so!

      Posting of financial and medical records are possible only if someone has made a criminal incompetence in a bank or at a medical database. You should sue them instead.
      Really? And what if the person who posted all that information about you got it either by breaking into your house or car, or by sifting through your rubbish? Or perhaps your PC got 0wn3d and hacked because you visited a dodgy web site and you're generally clueless when it comes to system security?

      I find your comments extremely naive.

    45. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to see the term "Anonymous coward" become more common use

      I wear that name tag proudly!

    46. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Under the present system, people can post anonymously online , often through the "2ch" bulletin board, to make up false accusations about others, post their financial and medical records online, their bank account numbers, spew racist rhetoric, make death threats, etc. Japanese courts have shown no interest in enforcing the egregious violations of other people's rights. At present, there is a whole subculture of professional losers, the "NEETs" in their 20s and 30s who live at home with their parents and don't work, who spend their lives posting this stuff on the web.

      RULES ONE AND TWO, MOTHERF-oh, wait, never mind :)

      Didn't know it was called 2ch over in Japan. Didn't know we were called NEETs. Anyways, welcome to Slashdot!

    47. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      It always gets me how if the United States were to do this people would be quick to cry censorship and how we're being oppressed. And in most cases, rightfully so. I don't want or need to live in a nanny state.

      But then another country, usually some European nation, Japan or China comes along and proposes to do the same exact thing and suddenly people are quick to defend them.

      To be honest, I don't think this is going to be noticed the way it might be in the US. Many countries in Asia are already nanny states and the people fully accept it. The attitude is reflected in public announcements and warning signs. They're worded like a parent talking down to a child. And in fact, many politicians have voiced that thought of the government being a parent overseeing the well-being of the people. So legislation of this type isn't really all that big a leap.

    48. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by thelexx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, then we can all end up like this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Henson

      Afraid to say anything for fear someone will (purposely) misconstrue it and we go to jail.

      Nice try, and thanks for the fear mongering, you condescending bitch.

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    49. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      > If you are going to bash Americans, you need to go full-out.
      >
      >>Tell that to Benazir Bhutto[1].
      >> [1] Just in case you're American, she was a former prime minister of Pakistan[2]
      >> [2] It's near India.[3]
      > [3] That's in Asia. [4][8]
      > [4] East of Europe[5], North of Africa[6]
      > [5] You know, England, France[7], etc
      > [6] Where Florida hurricanes[11] and black people come from.
      > [7] Ballet, Dijon mustard, and ... oh, never mind, the Eiffel Tower.
      > [8] Still not getting it? The Eastern hemisphere[9]
      > [9] The other side of the world[11] from where you are now[10]
      > [10] No, NOT Brazil. The OTHER other side.
      > [11] The weather, not the sports team
      > [12] Planet Earth, where everyone... oh fuck it.

      Well-played, Sir. (I'm an American, and I LOL'd!)

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      To get serious for a minute: Anonymous: Because what makes the Internet a wonderful place is that sometimes the cruelty is the funny.

    50. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 2, Interesting


              Anonymous deth threats have no more credibility.

      Tell that to Benazir Bhutto[1].


      You make a compelling argument there. Death (not deth) threats should always be taken seriously regardless if it's anonymous or not. This should have been investigated and the poster taken to the looney house.


      [1] Just in case you're American, she was a former prime minister of Pakistan[2]
      [2] It's near India.


      Thanks for the Geography lesson. Believe it or not, some of us have moved past Geography 101

      I guess American's no longer have the monopoly on arrogance. Pity. It's spreading.

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    51. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Since past 3 months, the area outside Akihabara train station itself in Tokyo is experience a curious phenomenon. Droves of young girls barely 12 or 14, sit in costumes outside, selling their "Sexy and cute" photo albums.

      I guess that means that the true enterpreneur spirit is still alive and well in Japan ;).

      Seriously, doesn't US have the child beauty contests as well ? Doesn't really seem that different to me...

      And then there is Enjo kosai... the practice of "compensated dating"... basically young schoolgirls having liaisons with middle aged Japanese businessmen for quick pocket money.

      Prostitution. Why not ? It's not like a schoolgirl has many other ways of making money, and it's not like the girl is being exploited by a pimp or something. Are there any good arguments against this practice, which don't boil down to "it insults my sexual morals" ?

      And then you have this certain prefecture in Japan, that still refuses to make sex with minors an illegal and punishable act. Japanese businessmen regularly flock to the place for a "good time".

      Here in Finland, the age of majority is 18, while the age of consent is 16. In fact in most places the age of consent is lower than the age of majority. So you need to clarify your complaint further.

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    52. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by dorpus · · Score: 1

      And why should any of that be illegal? And if people want to post their financial or medical records they can go ahead and do that- but they should be prepared for the consequences, especially with that medical record data...

      If somebody posts your financial and medical records online, do you think they can "go ahead and do that"? Should you be prepared for the consequences and just accept your fate that others can do whatever they want to you?

    53. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by dorpus · · Score: 1

      One of these things isn't like the others! ;) How in the bloody hell can you compare spewing racist rhetoric and posting medical records?

      Simple. What if people post realistic-looking records of you, making you appear as an international sex predator or other criminal?
      What if this has real consequences, such as this information gets sent to your work supervisor, to all your friends, to your university?

    54. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Only if you let them have the information by being dumb and posting it yourself somewhere else. If people would just realize that EVERY bit of information you put online about yourself, no matter how random and scattered, can be assembled to give a single wealth of information about you. Which is why I never use my real full name in email addresses, or social networking sites. I can't believe the information some people are just willing to put out there for anyone sometimes...

      And for the record posting your information would not be "slanderous". Only if information is falsified or completely made up do you get into "libel". Slander = spoken, libel = printed. It would be hard to "slander" someone on the internet unless you were posting mp3 rants, or podcasts about them.

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    55. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by shadowcabbit · · Score: 1

      Aniue


      Clever.
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    56. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      I misread the post and forgot to preview- I thought he/she meant people posting their own (anything will make sense if you're not all that awake or... yeah).

      But I agree with you on that- no one else should be posting your data. However, you should never be in a position where you do not trust whomever else has access to your financial/medical records or suspect that said people may post them online for revenge or for fun or whatever. Something's broken if that is the case, and probably the person that sticks private data on the internet like that isn't the only one that needs to be punished.

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    57. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no one has as of yet claimed responsibility.

    58. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by thej1nx · · Score: 1

      Assume much?

      I have blooody lived for 7 years in japan. Would you like pics of the crowd surrounding the girls selling their photo albums? I took some. Not of the girls. But the crowd surrounding them. I understand about advertisers. This is a recent trend. Instead of talking of your experiences 2 years go, why not walk down this week to akiba?

      Bigoted? Again... I have lived in japan for 7 years. All in all, it is an awesome place to live. And it has less rape crimes than usa.... or anywhere else. All I am saying is that before Japan govt decides to emulate its US bosses, it has to first take care of the social mentality first. Else it is all hypocrisy.

      Japanese are the way they are. It is a different culture. And values and systems change over the years or via cultural induction. But talking about protecting children when they are used as sex objects regularly in media and in daily life, is silly.

      You cannot generalize, but you can definitely say that the "majority" is like this way or that way. It noway claims that there are no exceptions. I suppose that concept escapes your grasp.

    59. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous accusations have no credibility, it would show some maturity in society to just ignore them instead of suing their anonymous authors. Sorry. You meant to say that in a certain utopia baseless unverifiable anonymous accusations would have no credibility.

      First, we are not living in that utopia (yet?), this should be obvious. Just look at some tabloids.

      Second, even if we were and I, Anonymous Coward actually gave everyone absolute undeniable proof (you know, like a picture or something:) that you had a skeleton in your backyard, it'd still be pretty credible. Worse, your could-be employer knows that people with skeletons lying around are 33,6% worse employees than those without, nevermind that you have a perfectly good reason for it.
    60. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by thej1nx · · Score: 1

      Pretty good points and btw I fully agree. Preaching to the chorus.

      But... if you brainwash some kid into doing something that is still a sort of exploitation... is it okay then? I am not commenting on the pedophilia itself. Rape of kids is wrong. Everyone agrees there. And then there are those who argue that even if you get consent from a kid... it is still wrong...because what do the kids know? And then there are those who point out that hey.. the age of consent is different in different places... in a certain place even in USA, kids as young as 12-14 can have sex with other kids. It is just wrong if an adult is involved.

      Different arguments. You can decide what side to take.

      But it is still always amazingly silly to build umbrellas for the fishes.

    61. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And as a bashed American, here is our full-out response.

      [1] Don't care
      [2] Don't care
      [3] Don't care
      [4] Don't care
      [5] Don't care
      [6] Don't care
      [7] Don't care
      [8] Don't care
      [9] Don't care
      [10] Don't care
      [11] Don't care
      [12] Don't care
      [13] What stupid sitcom is on Fox tonight?

    62. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Applekid · · Score: 1

      All in all, it is an awesome place to live. And it has less rape crimes than usa . . . it has to first take care of the social mentality first. Else it is all hypocrisy. Perhaps it's that very duality within culture that keeps society safe. That is, pedophiles can distract themselves with an aknowledgement and fiction of the forbidden instead of having to let it brew in secret and then actually DO those things. Those staged photos of an acted rape on the inside cover of a magazine show a woman suffering so a real one doesn't have to.

      If their culture changed overnight to reflect western attitudes of "think of the children", personally I think similar sex crime statistics would increase to match.

      Naturally content filtering and protection of children simply stem from politicians importing a technique proven in the west to increase leveraging of power and justification of bureaucracy.
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    63. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I think if someone proposed an elimination of 4chan, nobody'd be crying "Oppression!"

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    64. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by darthflo · · Score: 1

      What if this has real consequences, such as this information gets sent to your work supervisor, to all your friends, to your university?
      Short-term and limited to few single occurrences I agree this to be disasterous. I can't imagine anything better than such stuff happening all the time, though. Being presented with tons of contradicting information from sources of different credibility would force the public to actually begin rating their sources and stop accepting random, unauthorative data as truths.
      Since that's far too realistic to be done anytime soon, some libel/slander legislation remains necessary.
    65. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racist rhetoric is still free speech in the United States. Given your big brother-esque surveillance society, I don't think the UK is really in a position to lecture us about anything.

    66. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by F1Rumors · · Score: 1

      Racist rhetoric is still free speech in the United States.

      Suggest you head out to your nearest City center and try that out. If you are in the South, you'll have no problems, sure, but try it in the North and you'll find yourself talking to a nice chap with a badge. There is a common misconception about 'freedom of speech' meaning you can say anything you like, but you best have some damn fine rhetoric if the speech you are making also disturbs the peace. The oft-used example of this misconception, which earns you a night in a cell: shout 'Fire' in a crowded theatre...

      your big brother-esque surveillance society, I don't think the UK is really in a position to lecture us about anything.

      Well, I have spent the last 4 years in the US, and have to say that I am considerably more careful about what I say -- or rather, how I say it -- on this side of the pond. The Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt generated by the aftershocks of 9/11 and so on are all too clear, and it has plainly led to hightened racial tension.

      But if we're going to throw out specious arguments on the 'lecturing' front, how about a question for you: where do you get the idea that the US cannot use an outside perspective? Indeed, how can you comment on 'individual rights' and another the perspective of another country whilst the Guantanamo Bay affair is ongoing? I am very curious to know your position on that.

    67. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Cairnarvon · · Score: 1

      Really? And what if the person who posted all that information about you got it either by breaking into your house or car,
      Then that's already adequately covered under laws against burglary and data theft. I'm not sure why you think adding yet another law (and one which has enormous additional consequences, at that) would add more protection for the victim in that case.

      or by sifting through your rubbish? Or perhaps your PC got 0wn3d and hacked because you visited a dodgy web site and you're generally clueless when it comes to system security?
      It's not the government's job to protect you from your own stupidity.
    68. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racist rethoric is, as far as I know, free speech. IANAL, but keep in mind the rest of the world doesn't have something as liberal as the First Amendment. Rights are subjective to their country. And in the U.S.A. the First Amendment is only valid if you're standing on the street, or handing out your own leaflets, or on your own property. You have no right to the shield on privately owned land (like a shopping mall) or a privately owned internet forum (like Slashdot). What you *can* do is seek it out, or set up your own building, or your own newspaper, or your own website to say what you like.

      The fact that a privately owned area "looks the other way" rather than remove hate speech shows a willful stance of neutrality and/or a desire not to be subject to a First Amendment lawsuit. Read your Terms of Service: you can be banned.

    69. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Heian-794 · · Score: 1

      Aniue

      Clever.

      Indeed, and much better-sounding than what Orwell's translator actually used, which was something sterile (like idai na kyoudai) that didn't capture the 'closeness' of the English original at all. Want to have a go at a revised translation? In Japan, this book needs all the publicity it can get.

    70. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be such a weeaboo.

    71. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I shrug.

      But then, I've never mistaken Japan for a free society, and I'm not going to get very upset about loss of freedom in a society that doesn't care so much about its own freedom to begin with.

    72. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If Japan takes over responsibility of censoring its Internet users, will the ISPs then become responsible when 99% of the stuff still gets through?

      So if I were to submit a post accusing you of being a pedophile, siting names, dates, times and places of various misdeeds and degenerate behavior; but did so anonymously, then my accusations would have no credibility? It wouldn't matter that I was making it all up. If I sounded convincing enough for people to believe it then I'd be willing to bet you'd soon change your mind when you started receiving your first lot of hate mail and death threats. Whats to stop you from posting the same stuff on random telephone poles? The fact of the matter is, this will never happen unless 1) you are guilty or 2) you released your private information (name) on an anonymous message board. In both cases you are an idiot, and deserve such trolling. Also, information on said boards are never to be taken seriously, but constantly are by morons and governments. The Internet is serious business.

      Really? Following on from my previous point; imagine you're now receiving anonymous death threats because someone out there now believes you're a pedophile. Are you going to ignore this and not bother reporting them to the police because they have no credibility? You'd be a bloody fool if you did. Again, to be able to be singled out on an ANONYMOUS message board you have already screwed up. The police will never care that you have received anonymous hate speech/threats on an anonymous message board. Go ahead, try it, I bet they hang up on you every time. They're too busy fighting actual crime.

      Not in the UK it's not. You can go to jail for using racist rhetoric to incite racial hatred, and rightly so! Using racial rhetoric on anonymous message boards almost always is either done to troll or to exemplify how stupid racism is. What if you are part of the minority your are being racist against? I have several African American friends who love to make N**** jokes, even in REAL public places. I can only wonder about how many false positives this would create.

      Really? And what if the person who posted all that information about you got it either by breaking into your house or car, or by sifting through your rubbish? Or perhaps your PC got 0wn3d and hacked because you visited a dodgy web site and you're generally clueless when it comes to system security? If somebody already has stolen your personal information, then you already are in a world of pain. From that point on you need to take the steps to clear your name and credit regardless of how many people know your information; it only takes one to ruin it all. In fact, if a credit card company sees that you suddenly start spending money all over the country simultaneously, that would effectively serve as proof that you aren't scamming them, and that they now have a large list of places to check for fraud artists.

      I find your comments extremely naive. I find your comments extremely half-baked.

      ~Anonymous
    73. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by rmstar · · Score: 1

      It's not the government's job to protect you from your own stupidity.

      Where from did you get that crazy idea? Of course it is the job of the government to protect people from their own lack of knowledge or experience (that what you so arrogantly call "stupidity"). That is why there are so many regulations and safety laws. Without them, you would have to be a chemist and a microbiologist to avoid getting sick from your food. You would have to be a mechanic not to get killed by a random malfunction of your car, and you would have an accident the minute your concentration drops below 103.7%. Since through the net you can lose lots of money and more unless you are really careful and knowledgeable, and sometimes even without doing anything wrong, it follows as an inevitable fact of life that it will be thoroughly regulated within a few decades.

      It is completely crazy to believe that the deeds of vandals and criminals have to be accepted in the name of freedom. The fact that the community clings to such an idea is part of the reason that really bad laws happen. Each time there is a problem, each time, the only answer you get from the netizens is, "well, tough. Learn to cope with freedom" or something on those lines. This has harmed us every time, because we missed the opportunity to find compromises that make sense to everyone. Instead, we got the DMCA, and other similar laws.

    74. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by CrowScape · · Score: 1

      But a bad law is still a bad law. If the problem is public medical records, then you legislate specifically to keep medical records private. If the problem is libelous claims, then you legislate specifically to address them. You do not go and make an attempt to censor the entire Internet. You do not attempt to kill a mosquito with a cannon.

      A lack of lawyers is no excuse. Of course, I'm just saying that because lawyers happen to be the US's #1 export to Japan.

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      What those who are ignorant of the subject matter think; usually wrong.
    75. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by mad+flyer · · Score: 1

      By 'more' You mean awfully hairy bush ? Good, I still have nightmare with this...

      And I thought Nagoya was pretty hight on the short skirt ranking. (actually, the skirt are not that short, it's just the girls that button them pretty high... close below the brassiere, if any.

      Good thing, in winter lots of case of frozen lips... good for the business when you're a gynecologist...

    76. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by ultranova · · Score: 1

      But... if you brainwash some kid into doing something that is still a sort of exploitation... is it okay then?

      We aren't talking about kids, we're talking about teenagers. And while social conditioning - to respect the capitalist virtue of utilizing any and all earning potential, in this case - can certainly be considered a kind of brainwashing, one could as well ask: is it exploitation to hire someone to work, since they've been brainwashed to believe that bank robbing is not an acceptable way of getting money ?

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    77. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Tyrenol · · Score: 1

      Anything that takes power away from those "professional losers" and "NEETs" should be a good thing. I had it up to here with anime like Genshiken, every poorly-plotted moe anime, and every anime that plays at 1:00am and afterwards only to frustrate normal viewers. The crap that Japan makes; the West (especially the US) had became its dumping grounds for all that crap. And it's understandable that the anime industry want their money back. But I ain't shelling out my hard-earned money on their crap anymore.

    78. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, some of us have moved past Geography 101
      Congratulations, it seems you're one of the elite.

      I guess American's no longer have the monopoly on arrogance.
      You're still doing well on ignorance. What thing that belongs to an American are you talking about?
    79. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Macka · · Score: 1

      You completely missed the point of my post. Yvanhoe was dismissing Anonymous threats and accusations. I pointed out just how stupid that was and gave concrete examples of where threats and accusations must be taken seriously, regardless of their source.

      I find your comments extremely half-baked
      Try reading them properly and engaging your brain!

    80. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That high, damn! Who woulda guessed!

    81. Re:Before anyone cries censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its sad that such a thing could be but when people let religious ideology guide them and leave reason behind this is the sort of thing that happens.

      I must admit that I am no expert on Islam, but I don't think they leave reason behind. As far as I understand most of them do reason. They do however reason from Islam, while you reason from your beliefs. I think their beliefs will stand any trial of reason* better than your beliefs.

      * I assume that what you said is a part of you beliefs. If you are an Atheist: Why is it wrong to suppress a women? (If your answer is that a woman will not like it, why should anyone else care? The deeper question: How can anything be right or wrong?) If you are a Christian: Why is it wrong to let religious ideology guide you? (You didn't say let Islamic ideology guide you. So unless you are among those that refuse to call Christianity a religion you are still on the hook) If you are an Agnostic: How can you know that it is wrong to suppress a woman? In case I have been an insensitive cloud and ignored your religion/worldview please explain how your statement makes any sense under it.
  3. I am going to join by Martian_Kyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MIAU just cause of it's name.
    From what I read, I kind of skimmed over the article, this is more of internet regulation law, then internet censorship law. I think some from of such law should exist.

    1. Re:I am going to join by Megane · · Score: 1

      Here's a translation of a blog post about MIAU, for those who want to get an idea of what it's about.

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    2. Re:I am going to join by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Here's a translation of a blog post about MIAU, for those who want to get an idea of what it's about. Judging from the name it's obviously some kind of cat appreciation club.
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      May contain traces of nut.
      Made from the freshest electrons.
    3. Re:I am going to join by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would such internet regulation law, eh regulate?

  4. Green grass and fences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The Japanese government made major moves this month toward legislating extensive regulation over online communication. "

    Hmmm. Is this the point were everyone brags at how much better broadband is overseas?

  5. Interesting by Mutio · · Score: 1

    How can this possibly happen, by blocking piracy, blogs, and youtube i would have no reason to go online
    Just a question, can this ban or monitor IRC?

  6. Turning Japanese by TheBlunderbuss · · Score: 1

    I swear I was listening to this song as this article came up in the newsreader.

    1. Re:Turning Japanese by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Of course you would be. Only geeks would be reading /. instead of doing what the song is really about =P

    2. Re:Turning Japanese by TheBlunderbuss · · Score: 1

      Yeah, reading about censorship always ruins my boner.

  7. Advice for all governments by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Use the AskSlashdot section of this site to find out if your hair brained IT scheme is feasible before suggesting it or spending any money on it.

  8. hen tye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's as if 1,000 tentacles cried out at once and were silenced

  9. A real life bad example by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 2, Informative


    Just recently in Melbourne a newspaper journalist lifted comments posted on a forum and reported them as fact in a sensationalised article, without confirming or verifying with the authenticity of the comments, when in fact some of the comments on the forum had been made as satire.

    This was then published in Australia's highest selling newspaper.

    People may write unsubstantiated rubbish, but as soon as some lazy journalist finds it and treats it is fact in mainstream media, it can be very damaging for an individual or business.

    1. Re:A real life bad example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... so how is this not the journalist's fault?

    2. Re:A real life bad example by louisadkins · · Score: 1

      Hmm..
      (A) That terrible person, posting Satire!
      (B) That stupid journalist, not checking his/her facts!
      I go for option (B).

    3. Re:A real life bad example by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Just recently in Melbourne a newspaper journalist lifted comments posted on a forum and reported them as fact."

      My guess is it's Andrew Bolt in the Herald-Sun, that guy has perfected willfull ignorance as a political tool.

      In Melbourne there are three commercial TV channels, every night of the week two of them run current affairs style programs that are full of advertorials, miracle cures, and other sensationalist bullshit. They are often the prime targets in "Chaser's war on everything" (also from Melbourne).

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    4. Re:A real life bad example by zehaeva · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to personal responsibility ? Is it so much to ask for? All of this just makes me so sad to think that its better to write a law to take care of such things rather than maybe (in this case) firing the reporters pull shenanigans like this.

    5. Re:A real life bad example by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 1

      The reporter who wrote the article was actually Annalise Walliker about a dance party. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22903261-2862,00.html

      Which included great "quotes" such as this gem
      Ralph Wiggum reported slabs of Smirnoff spirit-based drinks were selling for $240, and cans of spirits for $10.

      Which I find kind of Ironic when in university she conducted a survey about a problem with the community and journalistic credibility http://fifth.estate.rmit.edu.au/a-credibility-crisis.php

    6. Re:A real life bad example by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Apparently Australian journalists have never watched the Simpsons before...

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      "But this one goes to 11!"
    7. Re:A real life bad example by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      I guessed the right newspaper, just the wrong page. :)

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    8. Re:A real life bad example by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      There is no excuse for that, the Simpsons are on the third commercial channel at roughly the same time as the current affairs shows. We actually do have some real jurno's over here but you won't find them in the Herald Sun.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    9. Re:A real life bad example by NNOP · · Score: 1

      Yeah Andrew Bolt is a Murdoch stooge. But Melbourne isn't completely bad as far as media goes; The Age is probably the most reputable newspaper in Aus imho. (oh and the Chaser is from Sydney btw)

    10. Re:A real life bad example by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Opps, your right about Chaser. And yeah, the Age is a quality rag.

      As with the UK the best TV news, current affairs, and political satire comes from our two publicly owned stations, go figure!

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  10. Re:Ching Chong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree wholeheartedly, sir. The japanese are indeed a superior race *neckbeard*

  11. Nonsense. Censorship to close the society. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "This is a way to make up for the deficiencies of Japan's legal system."

    Nonsense. Dangerous nonsense.

    You don't attack subcultures with censorship. This is about ethnic cleansing before the old guard leaves the Diet. Anyone trying to close a society does the same things, censorship is just one of the steps taken.

    It's part of the Lock Down of Japan that is underway. If you don't believe that, you 1. don't live here and 2. don't understand the xenophobia the government is in the process of stoking up.

    - Fingerprinting (and if you don't give them they are "forcibly" taken, then you are deported... what does "forcibly" mean when the government uses that term?)
    - Random "Gaijin Ca-do Checku" (dirty foriegner passport or residency cards are randomly checked by cops... usually as you're trying to board a train making you late)
    - New Visa rules (which aren't clear)
    - Black vans with police protection broadcasting "Foreigners go home" from loudspeakers waking me up in the morning...

    I'd love to stay... they want everyone non-japanese to leave. And they want all foreign influence and opposition crushed.

  12. Re:Nonsense. Censorship to close the society. by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

    Never been through any of that before. Of course, looking the part helps (after all, if they don't know you're not Japanese, why would they check you?) which is hard to do if you're unmistakably non-Japanese.

    But that bit about the xenophobia is true. I've noticed it. You'd think that they'd want to encourage immigration with their population declining and all that...

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  13. NEETs are losers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >professional losers, the "NEETs"

    Hey, I'm working very hard to became a NEET in as few years as possible!!.

    1. Re:NEETs are losers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEETs do not have independent sources of money,they are dependent on others.

    2. Re:NEETs are losers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEETs do not have independent sources of money,they are dependent on others.

      Remember to smile when you get your paycheck from your boss.

      If you're self-employed, congratulations, now remember to smile when your clients pay you.

  14. 2girls1cup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who will bring us the famous cup then? I is sad.

  15. Apples and oranges by denzacar · · Score: 1

    If I and 10000 other people (anonymously) threaten to kill you, but someone completely different guns you down in the street - how does that make fore mentioned death threats credible?

    You know... credible as in I and those other 10000 people could be sued and sentenced? Or even investigated.

    Imagine it like this...
    Say Benazir Bhutto got a anonymous death threat, and police started arresting random people during her political rallies because they "looked suspiciously like someone who might be writing and sending death threats in his/her spare time".

    If you allow credibility for anonymous claims - shit... I'll just go and open myself a anonymous bank account and anonymously claim that all Bill Gates' money belongs to me and should be transferred to that account.
    And since its cool and credible, anyone can just waltz into a bank and take some cash from it.

    Try thinking anonymous as synonymous to "troll". It should help.

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    1. Re:Apples and oranges by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      credible as in I and those other 10000 people could be sued and sentenced?
      Substitute credible with believable in that sentence - they're more or less synonyms. It doesn't make any sense, does it? It doesn't mean liable. Hint - generally it's not a good idea to use words when you don't know what they mean.

      Credible in the sense that it was threatened, and then it happened. I suppose you'll have no objection to providing your full real name, address, employer and children's schools. Let's have photos too. We're waiting...

      Seems you're the one who's against freedom, then.
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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Apples and oranges by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Credible

      Believable

      Close only counts in horseshoes throws.
      Notice the "Capable of being believed; plausible." line. Or the "to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so" line?

      You saying that you are wearing a red shirt right now is believable.
      Getting that claim confirmed by an independent, known to be honest and unbiased source would make that claim credible.

      Back to anonymous.
      Above mentioned death threats don't become credible because someone actually managed to kill the person that was threatened. Nor believable.
      I can claim that I can throw an olive from where I am sitting right now and kill you with it, but if tomorrow someone drops an anvil on your head - that won't make my claim credible. Or believable.

      And as for internet anonymity - did you google yourself and online nicks you use recently?
      Meeh... forget that. One can hide one's IDs behind multiple disposable nicks. How about IDeas?
      How 'bout figures of speech, interests, sites you frequent, products you buy, even pr0n you watch?
      We are leaving an online trail of crumbs, only crumbs are the size of skyscrapers.

      Anonymity? Yeah... I do think that there are a couple of places that provide it left in the world.
      Mostly jungles, deserts and bottoms of the ocean, but they do exist.

      Shit!
      I KNOW that there is enough stuff about me out there that I could expect you in front of my door in the morning, like that guy waiting for Korben Dallas in The Fifth Element.
      Only thing is - I also know that I am not important enough for you or someone else to go through all that trouble.
      Now, if I did think that the case - installing a heartbeat monitor in my hallway or just firing couple of rounds through the door every morning before I go out takes care of that.
      Heck... might just install napalm sprinklers. And rotating saws. And shaped explosive charges in the ceiling.

      But like I said... not important enough.

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      Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
  16. Re:Nonsense. Censorship to close the society. by DrLang21 · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of the government supported xenophobia in Japan is a result of a general lack of societal interest in the government. Sure, almost every democratic style nation has this problem to some degree, but in Japan, it appears to be at an extreme level. No one really seems to care what goes on with the government. I know I'm generalizing a lot here and admit that my research of this topic is shoddy at best, but this is how it appears from my end and talking to friends of mine who have spent a couple years there.

    The "Foreigners go home" broadcasts mildly amuse me though. I would venture a guess that it's a private anti-foreigner group doing it that has been attacked in the past or threatened, and thus the police escorts. KKK rallies here in the USA have similar escorts.

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    I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
  17. The do's and dont's of a country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. If your youth is computer-savvy, don't say "you can't do this online". That's like a ten-dollar hooker asking not to get it in the ass in a locker-room full of viagra-ladden football-players, even though no-one has mentioned anything about sex yet.

  18. However by Blice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Japanese government will NOT be regulating Gundam content.

    1. Re:However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could long term mean access to "RAWS" of Anime become unavailable to fan subbers who use P2P to get them.

  19. Sorry, this is censorship. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All death threats have credibility. Anonymous threats have no more credibility than non-anonymous threats (in fact, they have less). Just the fact that Bhutto was threatened and then killed is meaningless in this context; how many death threats has George Bush faced and yet he's still alive?

    Since I'm anonymous, and merely as an example of the "power" it lends, I'm going to threaten to kill you and your family. Are you worried? Do you actually think I could do it? Am I any more credible than the guy who sits next to you at work or on the bus and threatens to kill you? In all seriousness, I would never do this, but someone more evil might actually be serious about it, and would still be no more credible than the other two.

    The point is, this drastically damages free speech under the guise of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!" which is downright despicable. First the Australians, now the Japanese. Freedom of Speech isn't optional, nor was it ever intended to be limited to only those over 18, non-felons, and the wealthy, and yet more and more this is the road we're traveling down.

  20. Several different issues, no laws yet by Petaris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read the article and after you get passed the first part and down to the "steps" listed you will see that there are several different issues here, but no laws (that I can tell).


    1) The web.
    For the web content it looks like they want to be able to filter at will anything the independent body deems "harmful" but don't forget that they will have to prove its harmful and be able to justify their decisions. I am sure that they will see a lot of input from the educational institutions and rights groups on this. One would also note (as did the article) that this doesn't apply to private personal communications (which I take to mean email, chat, voip, etc). And don't forget Japan has a court system too, if this does become law it will see challenges to it. Also this seems to be just a report or recommendation at this point and is not a bill or a law and (according to the article) has not yet been proposed as a bill.


    2) Mobile phone filtering for persons under 18.
    If you read through this it is clear this was enacted because of parents concerns. Though filtering was available before it was not well advertised and very rarely used. This order (the article doesn't say its a law) just requires the filtering to be on by default and the owner of the phone (usually the parents) can request it (the filtering) to be disabled. So if the parent has a problem with there child's mobile web access being filtered they can just request it be turned off.


    3) File Sharing.
    This is at the behest of the RIAJ (Recording Industry Association of Japan). They are just doing the same thing as the RIAA. From my take on the article it looks like they are using the same reasoning and justifications as the RIAA have done, and I doubt they will be anymore successful.


    So from what I can tell there are no laws or proposed bills yet (other then possibly the mobile phone web filtering, anyone know if this is a law or just a decree?) and there are groups out there speaking against them. They are using the public comments system and voicing their opinion. If you are a Japanese citizen or permanent resident and you have a problem with it voice your opinion about it too. But don't claim it to be more then it is. This same stuff has come up in the US before too, remember the war on porn anyone? Just don't forget that there will be plenty of opposition, after all we know what the internet is for. ;)

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    ~Petaris "The world is open. Are you?"
  21. Godzilla & UFOs by TheHorse13 · · Score: 1

    This makes perfect sense to me now. You have to control communications when the UFOs and Godzilla invade Japan.

  22. Credibility? by Gription · · Score: 1

    Credibility? After ten minutes on /. people should have figured out that 'wildly inaccurate' can shout just as loudly as 'incredibly insightful'.
    (And there is a lot more 'wildly inaccurate' out there.)

    1. Re:Credibility? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It's just applied Ratherism: wildly inaccurate 'facts' are irrelevant in the face of 'correct narrative'.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  23. Re:Nonsense. Censorship to close the society. by Fred_A · · Score: 1

    But that bit about the xenophobia is true. I've noticed it. You'd think that they'd want to encourage immigration with their population declining and all that... That's why robots are so big over there. Once a large segment of the population is made of robots, it becomes easy to check whether the robot is Japanese by checking its serial number.

    And the apparent slow return to the 1920s mentality over there is indeed a bit disturbing. Especially when you see how that turned out (not really taught in western schools for some reason despite it being a large part of WWII)...
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    Made from the freshest electrons.
  24. uh, that's called "freedom" in some places by swschrad · · Score: 1

    it's plain old wartime censorship, pure and simple, that Japan is trying to sneak past its citizens. the dictator's friend returns to the land of the rising sun.

    hint: the new Samizdot is likely to be podcasts, not flimsy typewritten pages passed from hand to hand in a corner of the subway station. to find that, you'll have to also allow no-knock searches at 2 am, jackbooted police thugs, and firing squads.

    now, are you ready for the whole bill of goods?

    --
    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
  25. Why 18? by Stradenko · · Score: 1

    Why would Japan target this stuff at those under the age of 18, when official Japanese adult-hood starts at age 20?

    1. Re:Why 18? by nakajoe · · Score: 1

      There's a two-tier legal structure. Government support programs for children and teens end at 18, but full adulthood doesn't begin until 20. 18 and 19-year-olds are in a sort of legal no man's land, receiving neither the protection of a minor nor the rights of an adult. It's a problem.

  26. What is the criteria by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    File sharing legislation will initially target illegal downloads

    How do they figure out if a transfer is illegal? Surely people transfer copyrighted materials for many legal reasons. This is always the big problem with these schemes.

    1. Re:What is the criteria by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      RTFA; it's amazing. To answer your question: a transfer will be illegal if it's not whitelisted!

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      As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
  27. Internet filtering doesn't work by suisui · · Score: 1

    I don't support this decision by the Japanese government. We've yet to see even one functional Internet content filter.

    -A portion of the material they filter is safe, ie. not supposed to be filtered
    -A portion of the material they should filter goes by unfiltered
    -The filters can be bypassed with the same services a lot of Japanese (and Chinese) Internet users have used for Internet anonymity for a while now

    The first point makes for angry customers who one day can't visit their favorite (safe) pages anymore.
    The second point raises questions about the "think of the children" argument used to support the mobile Internet filtering.
    The third point makes a lot of otherwise normal citizen into law-breaking criminals.

    This has all the chances to backfire and very little chance for profit. Hopefully Japan gets a real political revolution sometime very soon.

  28. "anything on the web" by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    Thank god the Gopher underground will still be able to prevail against this censorship.

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    I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
  29. communicate with numbers, not words by wikinerd · · Score: 1

    A personal webpage is something you purposefully visit, not something that is being broadcast to you. You have to explicitly request a file from my webserver to get to my personal webpage, which means that you agree to an implied agreement that you do so out of a desire to learn more about me as a person. Therefore, if something I say makes you feel offended, you should simply stop visiting my page. It is as if you ask a person "what do you think about Bush?" and he says "he is a *beep*". If you are a Bush supporter you may feel offended, but you have no right to sue or do anything because it was you that asked and you got exactly the information you asked for. When you asked and I replied, I had no intention to offend you, but only to document the contents of my brain and be truthful to you by telling you exactly what my brain was thinking about Bush. I don't think one should feel offended for received a truthful exact answer to their question. That's exactly what happens on a personal webpage (or blog): You ask me for my personal opinions by downloading my files from my webserver. Since it is you that asks me, and not me broadcasting this information to you (for example, by sending this via email without you asking for it first, or by broadcasting it on radio and holding a megaphone to your ears, etc), you have no right to create problems to me for documenting my life and my opinions online. People of the Internet era want to be open humans and want the world to be able to know their opinions on every topic (if you haven't understood it yet, we have entered the voluntary openness era and privacy is not the same as it was before, while in the past people were reluctant to talk about their opinions a lot, now people actually want to do exactly that).

    The problem with various laws and especially laws like libel etc is that it is very easy to have an innocent face charges for anything they said even if it wasn't really offensive or libelous. I have come up with a solution that can enable me or anyone else to say anything I want without having people feel uncomfortable or offended: I express my opinions with numbers instead of words. So if I want to say that I dislike Bush I will say "Bush gets -1" and if I want to say that I like Ron Paul I'll say "Ron Paul gets +1". If I want to explain why I feel such about a politician, I just list all their policies or actions and give numbers next to each other indicating my approval or disapproval (for example, Preemptive War: -1, or Pro-life: +1). This way, nobody can claim that what I say is libel or offensive or anything. It's just numbers, and numbers cannot offend anyone (well, expect for some fundamentalists who get mad over 666 and other superstitions). The advantage of communicating with numbers is that since numbers aren't regulated by laws, you can say anything you want (within reason) and document your exact opinions (if you use many numbers), without allowing anyone feel offended. So for example, if you want to comment on a news story on your blog and the story is politically sensitive and could somehow lead to legal problems, just say "my opinion is -1" instead of "my opinion is that this politician is a thief or whatever".

    Of course I should also draw attention to another issue, that if you stop using a right given to you (free speech), then you lose that right at some point in time, so rights are supposed to be used every day. However, the idea of communication with semantics different to those in mainstream (and therefore legally liable) use, such as numbers instead of words, can be useful in various situations where you either cannor or don't want to attract many critics.

  30. Beware those ..... by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 1

    "Beware those who would deny you Knowledge,
    For in their heart's they dream themselves you Master"

    1. Re:Beware those ..... by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      Get off my land, you Peacekeeping sonofa ...

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      !#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
    2. Re:Beware those ..... by SMACX+guy · · Score: 1

      PinkyGigglebrain and PhxBlue, your forces have been spotted in my territory. Withdraw them immediately!

  31. Do you think these laws the best solution? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > This is a way to make up for the deficiencies of Japan's legal system. Under the present system, people can post anonymously online, often through the "2ch" bulletin board, to make up false accusations about others, post their financial and medical records online, their bank account numbers, spew racist rhetoric, make death threats, etc.

    I agree that that's a problem, but why is this the best solution? Don't you think they can do better?

    Anonymous posts can be traced if they're bad. Financial and medical records should be protected with privacy laws. Racist rhetoric, well, I think it should be countered by people standing up to them and telling them they're wrong. Death threats should be investigated if there's any reason to believe someone will act on them.

    > Japanese courts have shown no interest in enforcing the egregious violations of other people's rights.

    I thought the police would do that? And even if it's the court's job in Japan, how will more laws help if they won't enforce the ones you have? Why are these laws the best way to solve the problem?

    > At present, there is a whole subculture of professional losers, the "NEETs" in their 20s and 30s who live at home with their parents and don't work, who spend their lives posting this stuff on the web.

    I thought you said the people were anonymous. How can you so quickly assign collective blame to one group? What are they, Edo era peasants? What next? Goningumi?

    For those wondering, gonigumi were five-family groups. If any group member did something bad, all were punished.

  32. Re:Nonsense. Censorship to close the society. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah, xenophobia, or an objective plan for self fullment... Either way if someon's waking people up in the moring, they'll need protection.

  33. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but, according to critics, may ultimately broaden to include streaming media from sites such as YouTube."

    good, less crappy (and usually WARPED) Japanese TV programming on the front of youtube, phwew