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LANCOR v. OLPC Case Continues In Nigerian Court

drewmoney writes "According to an article on Groklaw: It's begun in a Nigerian court. LANCOR has actually done it. Guess what the Nigerian keyboard makers want from the One Laptop Per Child charitable organization trying to make the world a better place? $20 million dollars in 'damages,' and an injunction blocking OLPC from distribution in Nigeria."

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  1. Why don't the Nigerians just by LM741N · · Score: 5, Funny

    get their money from all those secret accounts that I keep getting emailed about.

    1. Re:Why don't the Nigerians just by deepershade · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is this post modded as flamebait when in all the other threads about this subject, such a comment would be a minimum +4 funny? Someone needs a sense of humour perhaps?

    2. Re:Why don't the Nigerians just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nigerian moderator?

    3. Re:Why don't the Nigerians just by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Funny

      get their money from all those secret accounts that I keep getting emailed about. Well, we would, but you see, there are a lot of legal fees involved in that kind of transaction. It's actually easier just to transfer the money out of the country, to an American bank account, and then transfer it back. If you'd be so kind as to give me your bank account number, I could just send you the money, and then you could send it back to me. Obviously I'd be willing to compensate you quite well for your time, all I need is to borrow about $5,000 from you up front to help offset the legal fees, and then I'll be able to take care of everything and pay you $100,000 for your time. Let me know if I can count on your support!

      (No, I'm not really Nigerian.)
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    4. Re:Why don't the Nigerians just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Sir,

      My name is Prince Anonoomosa C'ow-Ard of the Nigerian Royal Family. Recently my family has been driven from power by Marxist revolutionaries. I need your kind help to move my family's enormous stash of TWO HUNDRED MILLION mod points out of the country. In exchange for your help I am willing to offer to you ten percent of this sum, deposited into the comments of your choice. As a gesture of good faith on your part, please mod this comment up.

  2. Dollars $ Dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    $20 million dollars in damages... Tutorial:

    Q: How do you pronounce "$20"
    A: "Twenty dollars"

    Q: How do you pronounce "$20 million"
    A: "Twenty million dollars"

    Q: How do you pronounce "$20 million dollars"
    A: "Twenty million dollars dollars"

    You're welcome.
  3. expect anything different? by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nigeria, the land of scammers and con artists. no wonder thier country is in the state it's in.

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    1. Re:expect anything different? by callmetheraven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nigeria, the land of scammers and con artists.
      The silver lining of this truth is that the fewer computers Nigerians have the better off the rest of the world is. It would have been difficult and politically incorrect to boycott Nigeria from the OLPC, with a litle luck they just might boycott themselves.
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    2. Re:expect anything different? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative

      gee that's funny, I always thought scammers didn't need to be living in Nigeria or connected to Nigeria in any way to send those kind of emails, silly me. Nobody said they did. The fact that the Nigerian 419 Scam originated and from and is still largely dominated by well-organized Nigerian gangs with the complicity of Nigerian government officials, however, makes the point perfectly valid.

      Really, you ought to at least cursorily research subjects before commenting on them.
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    3. Re:expect anything different? by Lisias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me tell you a little "third world" history. I used to live in Manaus, Amazon, Brazil (where a Free Tax Zone was, one day, promoted by the Military Goverment). That Free Tax Zone gived a lot of power to some goverment officials and, guess what, corruption prospered there. Man, you had to bribe someone for everything to be able to manufacture something there. The situation gone to a point where, even by being 100% legally, you still had to pay a bribe to import your materials - or the official would hold forever your cargo for "further investigations". Well, a friend of mine works in one american company settled there (that one that created ETHERNET and the GUI), and told me this little history: Someday, one official demanded a bribe to allow a cargo full of supriments to be delivered. The company refused. The official holded EVERY single cargo for months, but the company didn't submit itself. The situation deteriorated to a point where higher goverment officials feared a major break on (legal) tax incoming - a company that doesn't have its materials it's a company that don't pay employees and don't sells nothing for no one. Even more, a lot of lateral industries threatened to just send their business to another place, as they aren't making any money. Kiss a lot of taxes byebye. What happened? The corrupted officials just don't mess with this company's cargo anymore. Doesn't worth the trouble. Pay a single bribe to a officer, and you will pay bribes for the rest of your life.

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    4. Re:expect anything different? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're concerned about all the cyberdamage being done around the world, the real truth is that you'd be far better off disconnecting from China, Russia and the United States.

      For all you people that want to pick on Nigeria, not everyone that comes from there is a scammer or a crook. As it happens, my girlfriend is from there (emigrated to the U.S. about 25 years ago) and is a remarkable individual. I consider myself lucky to have her. As an American, I tend to get irritated at all the foreigners here on Slashdot that like to make uninformed generalizations about the United States and its people. Anyone who's ever read any of my posts along those lines knows that. Conversely, I figure it's only fair not to paint everyone in a given country with the same brush, even if they do it to us with monotonous regularity.

      That said, I wouldn't advise answering any Nigerian emails that show up in your inbox.

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    5. Re:expect anything different? by ikedasquid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's Nigeria...hire some local guy for $100 to kill the plaintiffs. Given the corruption, I'd bet OLPC could get away with it and they'd be ridding the world of these corrupt bastards in the process. Good for the kids, good for the poor local guy, good for Nigeria, and good for OLPC. Everybody wins.

    6. Re:expect anything different? by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should work on your reading comprehension. Try again, and you'll discover that I was making the point that there are not inherent racial differences between (for example) Nigerians, Americans, and Mexicans, but that rather the perceived differences are caused by the fact that we get a skewed sample (immigrants vs. non-immigrants).

      Luckily, I don't have to generalize to realize that, because you automatically equate simply mentioning a particular ethnic group with being racist, you're the one who is obsessed with issues of race and is thus racist yourself!

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  4. Cut to the chase by Divebus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just send them weapons.

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    1. Re:Cut to the chase by Travoltus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      China is doing that a lot in Africa, most likely Nigeria included.
      http://www.cfr.org/publication/9557

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    2. Re:Cut to the chase by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Excellent - I mean, colonialism has turned out to be a massive short-term/long-term fuckup. Now maybe China can play too.

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  5. Fuller version... by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Funny

    Guess what the Nigerian keyboard makers want from the One Laptop Per Child charitable organization trying to make the world a better place? $20 million dollars in 'damages,' and an injunction blocking OLPC from distribution in Nigeria. ...and someone to help them get the $20 million dollars out of the country. They are willing to give 25% to anyone who will.
  6. OLPC defense fund by Broken+Toys · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I collect my $25 million from the Honorable Juju Majinki, who is holding these funds in trust, I plan to donate part of those funds to the OLPC defense fund.

  7. Re:No Reason to Pity by willyhill · · Score: 2, Interesting
    No, but hey, at least consider what they're doing and don't be "that guy".

    There is probably nothing of consequence here (legally), but the need to defend themselves will probably put a dent on how much more good the OLPC program can bring to children elsewhere.

    The sad thing is that Nigerian children probably need this device as much as kids in Uruguay or Mexico or Armenia, but thanks to some hardass nigerian scammer they might be negatively affected, because this will certainly put a chill on the OLPC distribution plans for their country.

    This whole thing is just a shame.

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  8. It is about kickbacks by canuck57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess OLPC didn't pay the kickback moneys in pricing the deal now the corrupt are howling foul. Goes to show us in the free world how well we are off when institutionalized corruption is so rampant.

    Or is it the government wanting to keep people dumb and stupid so they don't revolt for a democracy?

    Would be interesting to see who bribed who to deprive the children from knowledge. There could be one hell of a story in that.

  9. Re:No Reason to Pity by Databass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, but when OLPC asked "Assuming you aren't saying you own the entire idea of a multi-language keyboard, which parts of your particular keyboard design are you even saying we stole from you?"

    They didn't answer but they still want $20 million dollars.

  10. Corruption is part of the culture of Africa by realmolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's easy to forget that most of Africa's problems stem from the fact that the culture places very little value on human life.

    You know all those "relief funds" that go to poor/starving/fucked African countries? Yeah, most of those funds end up in the hands of the corrupt government leaders and/or military, who are MORE than happy to let everybody starve if it means more cash for them.

    The problems with Africa can't be solved with donations. They can only be solved with armed revolutions. Of course, the U.S. and most of the rest of the world is making too much money off of the exploitation of Africa to actually want to fix things.

    1. Re:Corruption is part of the culture of Africa by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problems with Africa can't be solved with donations. They can only be solved with armed revolutions. Of course, the U.S. and most of the rest of the world is making too much money off of the exploitation of Africa to actually want to fix things.

      So, 3.8 million deaths weren't enough?

    2. Re:Corruption is part of the culture of Africa by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know that may people may find this shocking, but Africa is not a country! Really! It is over 50 countries, and almost as many cultures. And believe it or not, some of the countries are not completely fucked up! However, a lot are, and they make better news...

    3. Re:Corruption is part of the culture of Africa by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not nearly. What's needed is leadership after the bastards in charge are against a wall. But first you have to take out the trash. Yeah, and the africans will probably have to move the borders around - the current ones are externally imposed. One more step towards post colonial functional countries.

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    4. Re:Corruption is part of the culture of Africa by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Surely you are not serious. Revolutions in Africa just replace one bunch of assholes with another bunch of assholes.

      Which is exactly why revolutions won't work. The whole system is fucked. There are only two things that will work and nether of them are pretty.

      One is armed conquest. The UN sends in the troops an we take over everything south of the Sahara. We totally clean house. Then for the next hundred or so years we re-educate everyone in africa and teach them how to behave in a civil society.

      The next is just as bad. We wall up everything south of the sahara, nothing comes in; nothing goes out. Then we let the africans solve their problems in any manner they see fit. In a hundred or so years maybe they will get tired of killing each other and decided to act like humans. That, or, we'll have a nice clean continent to give back to the animals.

      Both of them are pretty stupid answers to me but I'll be damned if I can think of anything better.

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  11. Re:No Reason to Pity by BeanThere · · Score: 5, Informative

    Putting a bunch of Nigerian-language characters onto a keyboard doesn't qualify as an "invention"; it's exactly what's been done for hundreds of other languages around the world since before Nigerian-language characters were in the Unicode standard even (which, I might point out, that same generous West put in after working hard to create those standards in the first place and then giving them to poor countries like Nigeria for free). Perhaps the West should demand royalties from this company for using its technologies like Unicode and keyboards in the first place, haha, right.

    I'm afraid this is just how things go here in Africa, and as someone else pointed out, why it'll probably remain 3rd-world indefinitely. Try give a hand to Africa, and it will demand an arm, and then try kill you for not giving the entire arm. Mod me whatever, but I've lived here all my life and seen this kind of thing over and over, facts are just facts, I wouldn't expect someone who hasn't lived here to get it.

  12. Does the third-world really need laptops? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you do read the article, it's a complicated case (as legal cases always are), that essentially boils down to this: Nigeria's officials, including their judges and politicians, are still perceived as being hopelessly corrupt, and by all appearances this is nothing more than attempted legal extortion. The legal claims by which the lawsuit is proceeding is on shaky ground at best. Even if the claims are legitimate, it still is a sad day, when an organization like this is sued by the very people it's most likely to benefit.

    Maybe they aren't ready for a mass introduction of technology - they certainly have shown a compunction for abuse so far. Nigeria is already synonymous with Internet-based moneymaking scams. Does the third world have other, more important priorities instead of laptops, such as basic infrastructure, and a stable and responsive democratic government (most of the world's poorest countries are still ruled by dictators). Complain if you will about the governments of first-world countries such as the US, but if so, you likely haven't seen the corruption of others up close. Visit Mexico for a fine example of what happens when a country with significant potential is rife with corruption from top to bottom. Corruption tends to poison and overshadow even the benefits of democracy and capitalism, as it tends to keep power concentrated in very few hands.

    On the other hand, perhaps an opening of information can help to educate the next generation - to give them more options, and more information, more hope. Just as wireless technology is leapfrogging the old, expensive landline-based infrastucture in many countries, perhaps an infusion of technology can help jump-start an economic surge in places that need it most. I just hope they choose to use it wisely.

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    1. Re:Does the third-world really need laptops? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ooops. Too late. That cycle started quite some time ago, and I don't think there's any stopping it at this point...

      Our culture at one point had an answer to that:

      That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
      But now, quoting Thomas Jefferson is likely to get you put on a suspected terrorist no-fly list.
  13. keyboard in dispute not used in production devices by RichMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    It appears that the disputed keyboard layout was only used in the development devices and not in the production devices. By this there should be no injunction on the distribution and likely no/minimal payment for infringement.

    From Groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071203061340580#c652659

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    If you examine the OLPC Wiki's edit history for the West African (Nigerian) keyboard you can see what Adé Oyegbola is on about. To save you trawling back and forth here it is in a nutshell. Note that where I write "create" I am referring to the Wiki entires - these dates may not correspond to the physical devices.

          1. 2006-08-07 OLPC buy KONYIN keyboards
          2. 2006-11-13 OLPC create Nigerian layout based on KONYIN layout
          3. 2006-11-13 OLPC Nigerian image updated; layout unchanged
          4. 2007-03-02 OLPC image updated to show Beta-3 model; layout unchanged (Original Image March 2nd)
          5. 2007-08-?? LANCORP sends OLPC Cease & Desist Notice
          6. 2007-08-20 OLPC B3 layout revised completely, no longer looks like KONYIN (Revised Image August 20th)
          7. 2007-08-21 OLPC replaces B3 with B4 Ng-MP-Alt layout (more dialect symbols) and new image.

    So this boils down to prototype XOs that used the KONYIN layout. I'm not sure how many prototypes were made with the Nigerian keyboard (I'd guess not many more than the 300 used at Galadima primary school, Abuja) but the total quantities were B1: 875, B2: 2,500, B3: 100, B4: 2,000, C1: 300 (see Development Schedule.

    Since August 2007 with the C1 (pre-production) the West African (Nigerian) layout has been as you see it on the current Wiki page.

    So the crux is that LANCORP are upset over those beta prototypes but the production XOs (and all XOs made since August 2007) have not used the KONYIN layout.
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  14. Nigeria by BigBadBus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was born in Nigeria, and spent the first 7 months of my life there, so sadly I don't have any memories of the place. My mum and dad have regaled me with tales of corruption (everyone from the gardener to the police it seems) and it sounds like a horrible place in which to live and work. I have no desire to go back.

  15. Re:Die OLPC, Die. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's a a problem for Negroponte: IP infringement.

    Describe, in your own words, what IP has been infringed.

  16. Re:No Reason to Pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I see a trend here?

    - "Linux stole unix code!"
    - "Oh really? Which lines, exactly?"
    - "I'm not telling."

    - "Linux infringes 235 of our patents"
    - "That's likely, you patented the obvious. We'll see when IBM starts complaining about their patents you likely infringe upon. BTW, Which ones?"
    - "I'm not telling."

    - "OLPC steals our patented keyboard input method"
    - "Oh really? Which ones exactly?"
    - "I'm not telling."

    I'm reconsidering the real cruelty of the good ol' times where justice was administered by the king, and if you looked like you were making him lose time on useless technicalities you were going to be hanged.

  17. Re:No Reason to Pity by sortius_nod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I haven't lived in Africa, but I have lived in under-developed nations a large portion of my life. To be honest, you hit the nail on the head, and it's not just limited to Africa. The problem with aid agencies is that they are just as corrupt, if not more, than the governments they are trying to protect the citizens from.

    Aid agencies need to be a lot stricter on their staff members and have stiffer penalties for any transgressions - you know, like a bit of gaol time in a dingy cell rather than painting them as a Martyr like the "Chad Children Thieves".

  18. Re:keyboard in dispute not used in production devi by eebra82 · · Score: 3, Funny

    From a RIAA lawyers perspective, this is just fine. Add a little immorality (deprived children), do some simple math (300 * $66,666 = $20,000,000) and voila!

  19. Re:No Reason to Pity by jfim · · Score: 3, Informative

    Putting a bunch of Nigerian-language characters onto a keyboard doesn't qualify as an "invention"; it's exactly what's been done for hundreds of other languages around the world since before Nigerian-language characters were in the Unicode standard even (which, I might point out, that same generous West put in after working hard to create those standards in the first place and then giving them to poor countries like Nigeria for free).
    Their keyboards don't really seem that inventive once you give them a look. They seem to use a shift^2/Ng key which probably does the exact same thing as AltGr, which is present on a lot of multilingual keyboards, although not at the same location.
  20. Re:Die OLPC, Die. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful
    LANCOR is claiming to have a patent on a keyboard that allows the user to type in Nigerian. How can you possibly call that an innovation, and how can you possibly accuse anyone of stealing that? Do you think that Nigerians should be required to pay LANCOR every time they write anything down, or just when they decide to type in their native language? How can anyone claim a patent on a system that follows the already existing rules of any language, or anything at all? They didn't invent anything, they just put into code a long list of rules that already existed.

    Here's a problem for you: patent a keyboard that can render all the strange facets of written English: upper case letters, lower case letters, diacritical markings, punctuation, etc. Come back to me when coding language rules is considered to be innovation.

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  21. Re:Question Mark by SamP2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tutorial:

    Q: Should the word "Nazi" be capitalized?
    A: Yes.

    Q: Do you hold article comments to the same grammatical standards as the articles themselves?
    A: No.

    Q: What do you call someone who does the above for no reason other than to attract attention and cause disruption?
    A: A troll.

  22. Re:Don't do business there by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Very racist, but oh so true. Nope. Not racist at all.

    "Don't deal with black people" is racist. "Don't deal with African Countries, unless they're white" is racist. "Don't deal with country X that has a history of corruption, and happens to be black" is no more racist than "don't go down Johnson street, there were fifty murders there last year."

  23. Re:No Reason to Pity by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know why you say this is a "3rd-world" problem. We in the US have crap like One-Click-Buy patents that are laughable (although it looks like it is finally getting overturned). Or, letting MS be the annoying monopoly it is and make every PC pay the Windows Tax even if you want another OS. Organizational stupidity is not limited to the 3rd world. Rationality is the exception.

    Further, countries still have their pride, and for us to come in acting like they "need help" is a kick in the ego. By roughing up the westerners a bit it restores a sense of control over their world (even if it may harm them in the longer run). Even starving people want a sense of control (and those doing the activity may not be the starving ones).

  24. Re:No Reason to Pity by BeanThere · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are you denying that it is true though? The very existence of a "Nigerian keyboard" is only thanks to *incredible* amounts of work put in to create things like keyboards and the Unicode standard and software for easily creating IMEs and so on - countries like Nigeria have basically gotten a major free ride being able to simply directly import and use all these technologies, to massive benefit. Do you have ANY clue how much work and money went into creating Unicode alone, just one tiny component/aspect of such a system? It's mammoth, and all free to use, and yet when last did you hear one "thank you"? On the contrary, it's always just complaints about how it's not enough.

    Anyway, I'm not going to convince you, let me say this instead: Dedicate your spare time for the next few years to trying to help Africa, then we'll talk again.

  25. Re:Question Mark by Cylix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tutorial

    Q: Should tutorial be the new fad?
    A: Yes.

    Q: Does it seem weak and unimaginative?
    A: Yes.

    Q: Then why persist?
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    Tutorial

    Q: Is "it offends at least one person" a single hope?
    A: Yes.

    Q: Should "hopes" therefore be "hope"?
    A: Yes.

    Q: ??
    A: Profit!!

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  27. Re:No Reason to Pity by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is taking place in a Nigerian court.

    A hanging (ie: corporate death penalty) may not be totally out of the question. If I recall correctly, LANCOR has to pay court fees if it turns out to be a waste of court time.

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  28. How do you spell SCO in Nigerian? by DrJimbo · · Score: 2

    LANCOR.

    Yes, I realize there are over 500 languages being used in Nigeria and their official language is English. I just hope the courts in Nigeria can grind a little faster than the courts in America.

    IMO this ploy by LANCOR against OLPC is a carbon copy of the SCO scheme against Linux. I wonder if the company funding LANCOR is the same company that funded the SCO fiasco.

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  29. Re:Die OLPC, Die. by mboverload · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's just a QWERTY keyboard with a second shift key and Nigerian letters painted in purple.

    Not kidding.

  30. LANCOR has a point by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Basically, the idea of OLPC is that we'll just flood Africa with a bunch of practically free notebooks using massive economies of scale.

    When you do that, you basically destroy any chance of a tech industry emerging in Africa, because, there's not going to be any indigenous computer manufacturing. It's always fun to look at free trade and say, geez, look at what the third world is doing to the USA, but, sometimes, you have to look the other way around.

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  31. Re:Question Mark by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tutorial, continued further...

    Q: Should you place a comma in the sentence "Tutorial, continued..."?
    A: Yes.

    Q: When using the dash as a separator for an unordered list, should you place a space character between the dash and the first character of the list item?
    A: Yes.

    Q: Should the sentence following a sentence ending in ellipsis be capitalized?
    A: Yes.

    Q: Can someone "trend towards perfectionist"?
    A: No. One can either trend towards perfectionists or trend towards perfectionism, the latter presumably being your intended meaning.

    Q: Should you place the period inside or outside quotation marks?
    A: Inside.

    Q: Are there any exceptions to the above rule?
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    Q: Are any of the above rules relevant to Slashdot comments?
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  32. LANCOR has no point by BeanThere · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are technically correct, but your point has nothing to do with this LANCOR situation, since their claim is specifically about illegal use of "their" keyboard layout - nowhere does their complaint say anything about being harmed by cheap laptop dumping, nor do they represent any group of people who might have such claim.

    Anyway, there is a crucially important difference between this and other forms of dumping which are actually more wrong: This is basically PRIVATE charity, it's not e.g. the US government dumping cheap computers on the 3rd world to subsidise their own industry; rather, it's private individuals using private money.

  33. Re:Question Mark by Esteban · · Score: 2, Informative

    Q: Should you place the period inside or outside quotation marks?
    A: Inside.

    Q: Are there any exceptions to the above rule?
    A: No. Exceptions exist for exclamation or question marks (depending on whether the mark applies to the quote alone or to the whole sentence), but never for commas or periods. I thought when I saw "Only in America" follow-ups, this would be addressed. It wasn't.

    Whether or not it's proper for periods (or commas, etc.) to go inside or outside the quotation marks very much depends on where your editor (or puler) was trained. If you're writing for some Brits (or Anglophiles), periods (or commas, etc.) must be outside the quotation marks.
  34. Mod parent down by Esteban · · Score: 2, Funny

    Holy moly. I just realized I chimed in with a grammatical comment on a post about OLPC and Nigerian "courts.".

  35. Re:Don't do business there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then it'd probably be unsafe for children.

  36. Re:Thats just it by ErroneousBee · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've done some careful research on this, and I believe the Africans got to Africa before the Europeans.

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  37. Re:Die OLPC, Die. by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's just a QWERTY keyboard with a second shift key

    Sounds shifty to me.

    Seriously, though, don't most keyboards have two shift keys (and a caplocks key)?