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Facebook Widget Installs Zango Spyware

BaCa writes "A malicious Facebook Widget actively spreading on the social networking site ultimately prompts users to install the infamous "Zango" adware/spyware. The tremendous success and lightning fast expansion of Facebook empowered the social networking giant with an impressive user base. Needless to say, in a digital world where web traffic equals money, such a user base attracts spammers, virus/spyware seeders, and other ethic-less online marketers like honey would attract flies."

137 comments

  1. Facebook evolved to fast by plarsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The evolution of facebook took place to fast for the security to catch up.

    1. Re:Facebook evolved to fast by statusbar · · Score: 1

      Evolution is the right term - it certainly could not have been 'Intelligent Design!'

      jeffk

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  2. Ethic-less? by bluestar · · Score: 0, Troll

    I guess "unetical" is too big a word for the average facebook user.

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    1. Re:Ethic-less? by vaz01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You must use facebook a lot.

    2. Re:Ethic-less? by jrp2 · · Score: 1

      'I guess "unetical" is too big a word for the average facebook user.'

      Perhaps they would use the word "unethical" though.

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    3. Re:Ethic-less? by Wordsmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or a slashdot poster.

    4. Re:Ethic-less? by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope. Unethical is an even BIGGER word!

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    5. Re:Ethic-less? by ben(zen) · · Score: 1

      I don't currently have mod points :( +1 funny/hilarious

  3. "like honey would attract flies" by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is something else that attracts flies which it more closely resembles...

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    1. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by dgun · · Score: 0, Redundant

      poop.

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    2. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by eulernet · · Score: 1

      Flies are not attracted by honey, bees are !

    3. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

      ...shit; I knew that one...

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    4. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by Yetihehe · · Score: 2, Funny
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    5. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is something else that attracts flies which it more closely resembles...

      No shit

    6. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, duh?

      Mod us both redundant please.

    7. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Uhmmm vinigar ?

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    8. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT +5 INSIGHTFUL

    9. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by ben(zen) · · Score: 1

      I knew someone was going to post this, since someone posted about flies :D

    10. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      To quote Iron Maiden:
       
        "Flies around shit, bees around honey"
       
      From the song "Holy Smoke".

    11. Re:"like honey would attract flies" by DiLLeMaN · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT +5 FUNNY PLS KTHX

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  4. Without exception... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All the apps are terrible. Asides from their 'myspacesqueness', they also release your entire profile & friends to an unknown entity. Facebooks TOS is bad enough, but atleast you have a sense of who your dropping all thoughts of ownership or privacy too.

    'caring' - imageogram

    1. Re:Without exception... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid people on a stupid social network deserve what they get. People are fucking morons. Have you ever watched who ends up sending spam in your social network? And then as soon as they fix their account, it happens again? And again? And again? And again? And again? People are so fucking stupid that they will continue to enter any credentials you ask for, anywhere you ask for them, over and over again, even after having been burned once or fifty times. So fuck them. You can only coddle people so much before you just throw up your hands an recognize that the internet is divided into people who can be bothered to use common sense and people who are too fucking daft to do anything but breed more of their fucking ilk.

    2. Re:Without exception... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My zombie army will kick your ass for that!!!

      'admiral' - imageogram

    3. Re:Without exception... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      All the apps are terrible. Graffiti is fun, you get to draw things.
      Pretty things, if you're good.
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    4. Re:Without exception... by jo42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Graffiti is fun, you get to draw things.
      Pretty things, if you're good. Let me fix that for you:

      Microsoft Paint is fun, you get to draw things.
      Pretty things, if you're good.
    5. Re:Without exception... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Graffiti is fun, you get to draw things.
      Pretty things, if you're good. Let me fix that for you:

      Microsoft Paint is fun, you get to draw things.
      Pretty things, if you're good. It's not paint, it's a simple round brush, but it has transparencies.
      AND YOU GET TO SHOW OFF, because the whole point is that it's a social thing. Which, I shouldn't be surprised, is not readily understood by the /. crowd.
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    6. Re:Without exception... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess we know you won't be breeding any time soon.

  5. Obligatory by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...such a user base attracts spammers, virus/spyware seeders, and other ethic-less online marketers like honey would attract flies.

    http://xkcd.com/357/

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:Obligatory by Doshin · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you posted that, it means i didn't have to.

  6. Wouldn't install for me by bconway · · Score: 3, Informative

    I tried to run it from the Facebook link in my sandbox, it wouldn't take. Looks like admin privileges are a requirement. I guess it's not surprising people aren't following the basic security steps that (even) Microsoft recommends.

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    1. Re:Wouldn't install for me by slyn · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's one of the major problems with Window's. The default security settings of a Microsoft product aren't even what Microsoft recommends.

      It's times like this I'm glad I have a Mac, as I can continue to stalk people that barely know me without risk of getting a virus. =P

    2. Re:Wouldn't install for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does your precious apple protect your personal information after you install all these third party Facebook apps that have full control of your personal information and can do whatever it wants with it? The answer is no.

    3. Re:Wouldn't install for me by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      That is how they have been trained for years. Part of the TCO i guess.

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    4. Re:Wouldn't install for me by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 1

      Typical SNS user: What's a sandbox? ... ooh! Free 3D emoticons! wee!

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  7. why are all facebook widgets so retarded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Facebook widgets are the new "I know someone who likes you" note-passing. Apps like "superpoke", "vampire bite", and now "secret crush"?

    Social networking sites are like second grade classrooms.

    1. Re:why are all facebook widgets so retarded? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They let the highschoolers and world in.

      The reason it's like a second grade class room is because majority of users are of that mentality now. Just look at most of the "groups" now. Maybe they existed and I didn't notice before but all my groups were rather sane, now they're "IF U JOIN THIS GRUP WORLD PEACE WILL START!"

      I've been on facebook since the beginning. And every minor improvement seemed to rock. They added photos. I was able to share photos in one place with most of my friends. I could invite friends over to a party with out having to e-mail every one. Yes, sometimes in college you don't get the opportunity to SEE all your friends every day.

      And then the flood gates opened. The Developer thread was flooded with "HEAY I LOVE FACEBOOK CAN U MKE IT SO MUSIC PLAYS LIKE MYSPACE." People would kindly remind them that the whole thread was FOR developers. People could make 3rd party apps and it seemed pretty good because all the 3rd party apps were external. Then came the day that they let those 3rd party apps on everyones website. Then it just went to hell.

      Thankfully Grease Monkey and scripts like:
      http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/11992
      This exist.

      Which is why I maintain 2 accounts. My 'professional' account. Uses my work address. All my college friends and people I know well. You can't find it anywhere. You can't search for it by name. Even if you know me I have to add you. Then my "Hi I just met you at the bar and I'm going to add you" account. Basic info. Searchable. Etc.

    2. Re:why are all facebook widgets so retarded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess I don't understand the need for "professional" accounts. Facebook is my personal page for my friends. Unless something along the line has changed, nobody can even view my page unless I make them a friend first. Otherwise you just see my name, my school, and whatever random picture (which to this day hasn't actually been anything but various family friendly cartoon/animated/gaming related pics) I happen to have on my profile.

      But I fully agree that stuff like this comes directly from being open to the whole world instead of just those people with a valid college email. There are so many garbage apps out there these days (100% of those Vampire/Jedi/Pirate battle ones), and I could really do without having to opt-out of the "Email all of my friends every time I so much as fart" step everytime. There are some aps out there though that are fairly useful. At least those that stick to expanding information about you (the games you play, the movies you watch, etc).

  8. Which programs kill it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok fine, but which major anti- sypware progams detect and eliminate it ?
    and which do not ?
    It would be very interesting to get a feel for which anti-spyware programs destroy it.
    Also, the name of anti-spyware programs that fail to detect and or destroy it
    The danger boils down to how many people are unprotected as compared to those who are protected , ahd how well anti- spyware software truly protects us,. or fails to protect us.

  9. Too late by doofusclam · · Score: 4, Informative

    Facebook have already blocked it, days ago...

    1. Re:Too late by phrostie · · Score: 1

      that should keep it from spreading further, but the people already infected still have a problem.

    2. Re:Too late by doofusclam · · Score: 1

      You're correct, but the writeup uses current tense, thus giving the impression this is still spreading when it isn't.

    3. Re:Too late by kebes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's good the Facebook is blocking that app, but this points to a deeper problem with Facebook's implementation of third-party applications. This is just the beginning of Facebook being exploited by scammers.

      Whoever injected that spyware application will no doubt create a new developer account, and upload some variant of "Secret Crush". Blocking a particular application or a particular developer account is a short-term solution. I can only guess that more and more people are going to exploit Facebook apps for adware, spyware, phishing, identity theft, etc. Facebook will then be playing yet another game of "Internet whack-a-mole" where they try to block applications based on signatures, block developers based on IP address, and so on (with usual countermeasures of automated code variation, proxies, etc.). As we've seen from spam, viruses, spyware, and phishing, such games reach a stalemate where a certain fraction of users are becoming victims at any given time (typically the less savvy users, I suppose).

      Personally I think Facebook should do a better job making the risks of third-party applications clear. The little "confirm that you want this application" question has already become so routine for most users that it means nothing to them. Moreover, the tight integration of third-party apps into the Facebook environment, though visually pleasing, leads most users to believe that the applications are written by and endorsed by Facebook. In fact, the code runs on third-party servers and those third-parties have access to profile data once you accept the app. Most Facebook users are surprised when you tell them this. And it's not always easy to tell who actually wrote a given application.

      I think we all saw this coming, and I'm surprised Facebook didn't put in more safeguards to curtail the use of the app framework for spamming, phishing, and social engineering.

    4. Re:Too late by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I was actually blabbing on a different forum the other day on the fame of being the first to exploit apple users on a widescale, and pondering the use of facebook to social engineer the spreading. It seemed easier than attacking MacOS, just exploit the users instead of the software.

    5. Re:Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I remember when Firefox faced similar criticism for its extension architecture. Facebook should attempt to create a secure repository for its applications. The Firefox problem is similar because its extensions, like Facebook applications, have the potential to convince someone to download a malicious script, and can collect and transmit data. Let people install any application, but create a reasonably safe place to get, rate, and upload the applications. Ultimately, it's a personal responsibility to ensure you install safe Facebook applications, but, as the Mozilla organization has done, Facebook should make it easier for you to make an educated decision.

  10. The widget is "Secret Crush" (saving you a click) by stickyc · · Score: 4, Informative
    Quick summary:

    The widget in question (according to TFA) is "Secret Crush". The app asks you to complete several steps, including signing up 5 of your friends and installing a tray applet (containing the "infamous "Zango" adware/spyware") from Zango's site.

  11. intended consequences by fermion · · Score: 1, Troll

    In the same way that MS created IE so that third parties could gain control of your computer to generate profits(think of pop ups that were not disabled until XP SP 2, a continuing lack of Flash blocking, even though images can be blocked) I wonder if facebook has somehow facilitated this spyware. Clearly, if facebook gets a cut of revenue generated by the spyware, this would result in some large coin.

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  12. Re:What is "Facebook"? by STrinity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think MySpace only it looks like a corporate website c.1999 instead of a Geocities page c.1996. Oh, and with pointless activities.

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  13. Am I the only person left? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Am I the only person left who doesn't know what facebook is?

    From reading the press it seems to be some sort of web site where you upload all your private stuff for other people to see. I've never seen it though.

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    1. Re:Am I the only person left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm.. Just google it if you care that much..? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook

    2. Re:Am I the only person left? by Nimey · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Am I the only person left? by kcbanner · · Score: 1, Funny

      ..so the sarcasm truck drove over the guy, he got up to see what hit him and it backed up over him again. It then drove back over him and sped off, and he was left there with a confused look on his face not knowing what hit him.

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    4. Re:Am I the only person left? by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      Well, you and me both. I never got the appeal of those 'social networking' sites.

      (clicks http://images.slashdot.org/neutral.gif)

    5. Re:Am I the only person left? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, there are at least two of us left.

      I don't do facebook, youtube or any RSS. I am too paranoid and just don't trust 'pushy' media.

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    6. Re:Am I the only person left? by Albert+Sandberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Slow down cowboy! I'm slowly grasping how this blog thing works!

  14. "Installs" does not mean "prompts to install" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a very big difference and the summary (and title) is misleading and wrong.

    1. Re:"Installs" does not mean "prompts to install" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It might as well be the same thing considering that the level of knowledge of computer security for the average user of Facebook and other similar sites is quite low (Facebook and Myspace are the new AOLs).

  15. Re:The widget is "Secret Crush" (saving you a clic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to "blog.zango.com" (found by a google search "facebook widget zango") the widget is now called "My Admirer".
    Facebook is going to hell in a handbasket. They should never have opened to "anyone with an email address"; that's just asking for trouble. At least they're making money, right?

  16. Tag issues by lpangelrob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While the tag "shitattractsflies" is somewhat amusing when describing (as an aside, Facebook started exclusively on college campuses some 5 years ago, now), I think the more insightful tag would be "peopleattractshit".

    1. Re:Tag issues by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

      Facebook started exclusively on college campuses some 5 years ago, now I miss those days.
    2. Re:Tag issues by lpangelrob · · Score: 1

      Right. The missing noun is "Facebook", as in, "when describing Facebook".

      And yes, I used preview. I think programming in PHP just greatly diminished my grammar this morning.

  17. Personal responsibility -- don't install untrusted by compumike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't voluntarily install untrusted executable files! Period! There is no vulnerability without the user thinking that they want what's inside.

    Facebook has nothing to do with the existence of this vulnerability. In fact, the browser-based app model explicitly is nice because of the sandbox effect, where such apps are very limited in what they can touch on your local machine. But when you convince people to break out of that sandbox by installing a local app, you can certainly kiss your computer goodbye.

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  18. reminds us of robbIE's gnu online dating service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when he speaks of less ethical payper click schemes. we remember when rejecting advertising from softwar gangsters was thought to be important. nowadaze, almost everything is about getting a bit more monIE/stock markup FraUD paypers. time always reveals the motives as well as the results.

  19. Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by maillemaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you aren't the last person, you're not by much.

    I only went and checked it out a few weeks ago, after not being able to stand all the hype any longer.

    I can't figure out what it's for. I've said as much here on Slasdot before, and was told that basically it's a mechanism to find/keep in touch with friends.

    It's kind of like "classmates.com", except it's free.

    I went and tried it out. First of all, they want you to use your real name. Like you noted, your "private stuff". Myself, I am seeking to /limit/ my online exposure, not enhance it, so of course I created a fake account.

    Once you have an account, there is very little to actually /do/, that I can see. You are supposed to join "networks", but there weren't any that seemed interesting to me.

    I don't have any long lost friends to look up, and the couple of names I did plug in didn't get any hits. All of the people currently in my life that I want to keep up with I currently keep up with by other means, like email, telephone, or face-to-face.

    I still don't understand the appeal of these "myspace" and "facebook" social web sites. What they really look like to me is an html-based web page creation utility, that allows people to create a personal web page without having to pay a hosting fee.

    Since most ISPs these days give you a 5MB or so space where you can make a little web page if you want, I don't know why people don't just use that, except I guess they don't know how to make web pages. So MySpace, Facebook, etc., are like mini web-page software wizards to help you make a web page. Since all the web pages are centralized on one "server", they are thus also easily searchable / linkable.

    If I wanted a web page to post things about myself, I'd go register a domain and some web hosting services and make one. I guess Facebook and MySpace are for people who don't want to go to the trouble.

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    1. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by uglyduckling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I created a fake account... I don't have any long lost friends to look up, and the couple of names I did plug in didn't get any hits.

      Hmmm... well, if you used a fake name, then maybe all your former friends did too. The site only works if people use their real names. Facebook is exactly that for most people - kind of like classmates.com and Friends Reunited. It enables the maintenance of casual friendships without having to write/phone explicitly.

      If you think about it, this is how most casual friendships work - I don't specifially talk to John down the hall at work to catch up, I might bump into him in the coffee room, see he's got a new shirt, find out it was his birthday yesterday etc. etc.. Just seeing and bumping into someone lets you stay in touch without it being an effort. Social networking sites let you do this. Email works for people you really want to stay in touch with, and chat forums work for a bunch of people who want to discuss the same topic(s). On Facebook I can find out that Fred who I went to school with is into a particular band too, and if there's a couple of other guys from school 10 years ago maybe a group of us could go to a gig. Nothing serious, nothing important, but if you like to stay loosely in touch with a whole bunch of people then it works really well.

    2. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Staying in touch with a bunch of people who you do not care very much for their center of interest is one of the most worthless activity i've ever heard of.

    3. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by tapo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the purpose of Facebook is to not only find friends, but to allow you to communicate with them more easily.

      Facebook's core feature is the 'news feed', which basically shows what your friends have been doing on facebook, or what they've set their status to be, a little like twitter. Here's a snippet from mine:

      Guy A started playing a game: Mass Effect
      Girl A misses Guy A.
      Girl B left the group The American Sandwich Society.
      Guy B and Guy C are now friends.
      Girl C is no longer listed as single.

      It also allows you to create events and invite people, allowing them to RSVP through facebook. Considering it has everyone's information, it's also a very, very handy way to have up-to-date contact information, notifying me of address changes, cell phone numbers, and the like. As a college student, everyone I know uses facebook, making it a valuable networking tool.

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    4. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by bazorg · · Score: 1

      I went and tried it out.[...] Once you have an account, there is very little to actually /do/, that I can see.
      the way I see it there is all sort of game-like application you can use with your friends. most are about "make believe" that you did something with them. It's good light-hearted fun. now if you'll excuse me I'm just getting my baseball and will be off your lawn in a second.
    5. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by fullgandoo · · Score: 1

      I suppose the answer in the words of my generation would be "generation gap". Which seems to be occurring multiple times within a genration nowdays.

    6. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by stuporglue · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the purpose of Facebook is to not only find friends, but to allow you to communicate with them more easily.

      Sorry, no. The purpose of Facebook is to make money.

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    7. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you enjoy being the kind of ass who responds to a well-intentioned post describing what a lot of facebook /users/ use the site for, a real contribution to the discussion, with some moronic snark about how facebook is really just out for money?

    8. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by aj50 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Originally Facebook was designed to appeal to university students (I believe you had to have a uni e-mail address to sign up) and for this target market, it works very well. When you start university, you quickly meet lots of new people who you might not bump into again and whose names you're trying to remember.

      One of it's most useful feature is that you can search through people at your uni who've signed up, you can search for people who are doing the same course as you, you can get enough background information to gauge whether you might get on with them and to allow you not to fall into socially awkward traps. You can get an idea of where their interests lie by which groups they've joined so you can take a guess at what sort of stuff they might enjoy.

      It's only good because the people on facebook are people you have actually met and if you're getting to know someone, it saves you from having to ask them their name three times and can tell you whether he's actually going out with that girl you always see him with or whether they're just friends.

      Bear in mind that applications have only come about recently and (IMO) are the cancer that will kill facebook*. Previously, you had the personal info, the wall, the groups and the photos.

      *Not that I think that the idea of applications is a particularly bad one, there's a lot of interesting things you can do with them but the invite system is really annoying, some people fill their page with applications until it looks like myspace and some application writers seem to be competing to get the most users.

      For one of my assignments last term, I made a system where you could link your bluetooth ID with your facebook account and your friends could tell if you were within bluetooth range by running a program on their phone which would query our database with a list of bluetooth IDs and get a list of friends with their name and photo. Of course, this application isn't really practical, very few people have a smart phone or have bluetooth turned on and I won't even start talking about the privacy implications but it allowed us to see people's reactions to it and to show that it could be done by a small group of undergrads.

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    9. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook is, ultimately, a giant address book. After spending time using it to find people, it's easy to click around and play with the other features. But, the primary gimmick is that it is closer to a universal LDAP server than anything else. It works as well as any address book: it only works when you know other people who use it.

    10. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by Ma8thew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So if someone where to ask what Slashdot was, I shouldn't say 'it's a technology site, centred around discussion of current news', but instead, 'it's to make money for Sourceforge Inc.'. Yeah, that's a lot more clear.

    11. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by Scrameustache · · Score: 2

      I can't figure out what it's for. It's for organizing parties.

      Since most ISPs these days give you a 5MB or so space where you can make a little web page if you want, I don't know why people don't just use that, except I guess they don't know how to make web pages. Because the point is the social network.

      Anecdote: So this girl I know in meatspace asks me if I'm coming to her party, I don't know what party she meant, we discuss the fact that I'm not in her facebook friends, the following day we digitize our friendship, and I finally see the event page (limited to her friends) with all the relevant details and a handy "coming/not/maybe" RSVP system.
      You get to see who's going to the party, who isn't, and the whole thing is done with a nice central website and user friendly interface.

      P.S. Also, it's a great channel for attention-whoring.
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    12. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by budgenator · · Score: 1

      If you use your real name wouldn't she know who to sue for child support later on?

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    13. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      OH MY GOD! I was just masturbating and thinking about you, and then BONGO there's one of your posts. How the fuck are you doing old buddy?

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    14. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by maillemaker · · Score: 1

      >Anecdote: So this girl I know in meatspace asks me if I'm coming to her party, I don't know what party she meant...

      This is where I would pull out a pencil and get the details of when and where the party was. I suppose it is marginally easier to say, "Oh, go check out my facebook page for the details" so you don't have to write anything down, but it doesn't seem to be /that/ huge of a thing to me

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    15. Re:Don't feel bad, I don't get it either. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      >Anecdote: So this girl I know in meatspace asks me if I'm coming to her party, I don't know what party she meant...

      This is where I would pull out a pencil and get the details of when and where the party was. I suppose it is marginally easier to say, "Oh, go check out my facebook page for the details" so you don't have to write anything down, but it doesn't seem to be /that/ huge of a thing to me Well we didn't have to stop the social event to find pen, paper, and to write things down, have her spell it out over the music, etc.
      It seriously was a huge improvement over the regular party planning procedure.
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  20. Re:Personal responsibility -- don't install untrus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sure, can you tell the novice users (eg. children, parents,grandparents etc) what exactly is an "executable" and why i should trust one (eg flash) amongst another ?

  21. Re:What is "Facebook"? by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    Basically, what I have concluded is that these "social" websites are basically a free, web-based applications that let people create small personal web pages.

    Since the web pages are on a centralized "server", they are easily indexable and searchable, which is nifty if you want to do things like go looking for long-lost friends or people who share similar interests.

    Myself, I don't get the appeal.

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  22. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by ohsmeguk · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I wholeheartedly concur...

  23. Oh, for god's sake by Bozdune · · Score: 1

    Windows supposedly has the greatest security model in the world, but I don't understand it, I've never understood it, and I've never met anyone who could explain it to me. Occasionally there's ordinary files that aren't open but that I can't modify AND I HAVE NO CLUE WHY THIS HAPPENS. Some hidden attribute, God knows what it is. Etcetera.

    Vista proves what I've always suspected: even Microsoft can't set up a secure, usable Windows system without pissing me off on a continual basis with warnings and promptings and bullshit. So excuse me, I'll stick with XP, run as admin, live behind my locked-down firewall, run Firefox and NoScript, and avoid widgets and downloads and attachments and so forth like I've been doing since Windows 95.

    And I'll continue to wait for Apple to wake the hell up and release OS[whatever roman numeral it is now] generically, so maybe this long nightmare can finally end.

    1. Re:Oh, for god's sake by ettlz · · Score: 1

      Windows supposedly has the greatest security model in the world
      No it doesn't, it has ACLs.
  24. Re:Personal responsibility -- don't install untrus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean untrusted executable files like this?

  25. scoble by chris_mahan · · Score: 2

    Well, at least Scoble is safe.

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    1. Re:scoble by WK2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. We don't have to worry about anyone touching that. What is Scoble?

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  26. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

    First of all, stupidity doesn't mean you deserve what you get. Second of all, using Windows has nothing to do with it. All the smart Windows users are blissfully uninfected, the problem is stupidity, not OS choice.

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  27. Re:The widget is "Secret Crush" (saving you a clic by moezaly · · Score: 1

    At least they're making money, right? But for how long?
  28. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by Bartab · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First of all, stupidity doesn't mean you deserve what you get.

    Yes it does. It's called life, and we as a society should stop putting so much futile effort into working against it.

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  29. I agree! by maillemaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >Staying in touch with a bunch of people who you do not care very much for their
    >center of interest is one of the most worthless activity i've ever heard of.

    My sentiments exactly. It also smacks of voyeurism to me. Maybe that is part of the appeal?

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    1. Re:I agree! by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      My sentiments exactly. It also smacks of voyeurism to me. Maybe that is part of the appeal?

      I think there is an element of that for some people. I suppose the flipside of voyeurism is genuine but casual interest. When I see people I was once close to have got married, had kids, got the job I knew they were dreaming of when we were 17 it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. If that sort of thing doesn't bother you then I can see why you wouldn't be interested. Personally I find I don't have the time or perhaps the willingness to stay up to date with the 100 or so people who I have probably been fairly good friends with in the past 15 years, but Facebook makes it easy enough to be fun again.

    2. Re:I agree! by maillemaker · · Score: 1

      >Personally I find I don't have the time or perhaps the willingness to stay up to date with the
      >100 or so people who I have probably been fairly good friends with in the past 15 years

      You see, I think that really sums up the problem for me, and explains why social networking sites don't appeal to me. I don't think I've had but perhaps 10 people I've been fairly good friends with in the past 15 years, and I keep in regular touch with all but 2 of them. The idea of having 100 or so fairly good friends is truly astonishing to me.

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    3. Re:I agree! by phyrz · · Score: 1

      through primary school, high school, university and 5 or 6 jobs ive put together a network of around 200 people. often enough ill head out to a gig on the weekend and find out beforehand a few facebookers i know are going and ill go out of the way to have a beer or two with them while im out.

      definitely worth keeping in touch with people outside your core group of friends, even if its just to build up business opportunities. each to their own though i suppose.

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  30. Re:What is "Facebook"? by qopax · · Score: 1

    So, an internet on the internet?

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  31. Explicit maintenance of friendship... by maillemaker · · Score: 2

    >Hmmm... well, if you used a fake name, then maybe all your former friends did too.
    >The site only works if people use their real names.

    I really don't have any former friends. There is one guy I've lost track of over the years, but he never kept a phone (his girlfriends kept calling getting him in trouble with his live-in girlfriend) and he hated computers so I doubt he's on the web anyway. But other than him, I don't have any long-lost buddies I'm trying to keep track of. I never had friends in high school so I'm not looking for long-ago classmates. I wasn't a traditional college student (I worked full time and went to school to get my degree) so I don't have any college buddies to track down, either.

    If you just want to look people up, why not go use Yahoo People Search? Why opt into yet another database so you can be found?

    >It enables the maintenance of casual friendships without having to write/phone explicitly.

    This concept is completely foreign to me. If you are worthy enough of friendship than I will make the effort to maintain that friendship explicitly. If you aren't worthy enough of friendship then I'm not going to be interested in your digital trivia on some web page.

    >If you think about it, this is how most casual friendships work - I don't specifially talk to John down
    >the hall at work to catch up, I might bump into him in the coffee room, see he's got a new shirt, find out
    >it was his birthday yesterday etc. etc.. Just seeing and bumping into someone lets you stay in touch without it being an effort.

    The people I interface with at work are not friends, they are coworkers. I do happen to have a friend at work, but he is an actual friend, and I maintain our friendship by traditional means, speaking, telephone, email, going out to lunch, having his family over for dinner, etc. The rest of my coworkers, however, I don't care to interface with except for work-related matters. I don't care what kind of shirt they are wearing, when their birthday is, or any other trivial detail about them except whatever information I need from them to execute work functions. This is not to say I might not make additional friends out of co-workers, just that I don't need "casual" friendships.

    >Email works for people you really want to stay in touch with, and chat forums work for a bunch of people who want to discuss the same topic(s).

    This works for me.

    >On Facebook I can find out that Fred who I went to school with is into a particular band too,
    >and if there's a couple of other guys from school 10 years ago maybe a group of us could go to a gig.

    I figure if I haven't spoken to you in 6 months then you are off my radar. I don't have enough time to keep adequate track of all the people actually actively present in my life. I guess I just don't feel the need to go dredging up the past to fulfill my friendship needs.

    What you've said about Facebook jives with what other people have told me about it. Ultimately I figure I'm just anti-social and consequently the thrill of accumulating lots of "casual friends" just holds very little appeal to me. I'm also one of those people who never asks strangers, "How are you doing?" because I don't really care how some stranger is doing, and I know it's just a dumb little thing that people say to each other as a greeting and most people don't care how you are doing, either.

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    1. Re:Explicit maintenance of friendship... by EveLibertine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you are worthy enough of friendship than I will make the effort to maintain that friendship explicitly. Well, what the poster before you was trying to say was that social networking sites attempt to lower the amount of effort. You mention an effort, but the idea is that in the glorious future as we develop these tools there will be virtually no effort required. Of course, nothing out there now has fully succeeded, but they are trying. Also, nobody cares about the nonsensical trivia that people enter into their profiles on these sites. It does, however, give that lady at the front desk at your work something to do when there's nobody moving through the lobby.

      Let me give you an example of a "casual friend". You know that guy at the bar who tells you about his band, and it sounds cool, but you don't want to get his phone number or give out yours just so you can check out their next show. The solution here is he can just tell you what his bands myspace is, or facebook, or whatever, and you can get the info there. No need for feigned friendships when you find out his band sucks.
    2. Re:Explicit maintenance of friendship... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Ultimately I figure I'm just anti-social and consequently the thrill of accumulating lots of "casual friends" just holds very little appeal to me. I'm also one of those people who never asks strangers, "How are you doing?" because I don't really care how some stranger is doing, and I know it's just a dumb little thing that people say to each other as a greeting and most people don't care how you are doing, either.
      Sometimes if you just pretend that you like people long enough, you actually will, then you find out that others actually like you as well; if that don't work beat on them with your sword.

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    3. Re:Explicit maintenance of friendship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never had friends in high school

      I can see why social networking sites wouldn't really be your cup of tea then...

    4. Re:Explicit maintenance of friendship... by EggyToast · · Score: 1

      It's not antisocial, cos I feel the same way about these websites. They're just a way to hunt for gossip on your "friends." There's a reason they all display "relationship status" and crap like that, as well as "current favorite band" and other information that, if it was actually important, it would come up in conversation with your real friends.

      Thankfully, for those who prefer to know a lot of people without actually having to spend time with those people getting to know them, social networking sites allow people to know all the gossip and gory details of a person's life without having to forge any meaningful bonds. Sure, your dad died last week and your boyfriend got put in a coma due to a car crash on the same weekend, but, what, I'm not gonna *call* you about it (unless I want to watch Sweeney Todd tomorrow).

    5. Re:Explicit maintenance of friendship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never had friends in high school so I'm not looking for long-ago classmates. I wasn't a traditional college student (I worked full time and went to school to get my degree) so I don't have any college buddies to track down, either.

      Then why the fuck do you need to comment? Facebook obviously isn't for you.

      Most humans had friends and acquaintances from their youth, from college, from former jobs. Most humans also have an extended network of friends-of-friends (for example, your spouse, parent or sibling's best friends) with whom they aren't going to develop a tight relationship with but find it pleasant to keep in touch. Or ex-coworkers, clients, etc. who might be able to help each other out when looking for employment or advice in their field.

      Social network sites work for them. Maybe Facebook isn't the best of all possible worlds but it does seem to serve its purpose. Frankly it isn't for me either, but I can see why people like it and don't understand why you need to spew bile about it. Unless, I dare say... You're a bit lonely?

    6. Re:Explicit maintenance of friendship... by maillemaker · · Score: 1

      >Then why the fuck do you need to comment? Facebook obviously isn't for you.

      Uh, because that's what internet BBS forums are /for/? Because the GP asked what Facebook was all about? Honestly, did you read any of the preceding?

      >Unless, I dare say... You're a bit lonely?

      Hah. Look, I'm married and I have a wonderful daughter. This in itself would be fulfilling. But in addition I participate in medieval re-enactment and consequently hang out with hundreds of the same group of folks once a month, and I'm close friends with perhaps half a dozen of them that I've known for years and we get together often outside of re-enactment (LAN parties, etc.)

      No, I'm not lonely.

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  32. Re:What is "Facebook"? by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    >So, an internet on the internet?

    I guess so.

    Steve

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  33. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    Thank you. I hope you get modded +5 insightful.

  34. Generation gap by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    You know, youth may actually have a lot to do with it.

    After reading the trivial things you get to keep track of from the post just above yours (I.E., guy B leaves the American Sandwich Society), I gather that this sort of things gives you very trivial data about people - things you just don't really need to know or keep track of.

    When I was younger I had time for such dalliances. But as an adult with a 50+ hour work week, a wife and a child, a house, cars, and the rare time out for hobbies and gaming, I just don't have time to keep up with trivia any more. I mean there is so little time for the actual /important/ things in my life that I just don't have the time to care that "Guy B is friends with Guy C", that "Girl A is no longer single", etc. etc. etc.

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  35. Check out my post here... by maillemaker · · Score: 1
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  36. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

    No, it doesn't. We may not be able to prevent the consequences of stupidity (nor should we try to baby-sit people in that fashion), but we certainly shouldn't say that stupid people deserve what they get, feeling all smug. We should try to educate them, not finger-point and laugh.

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  37. This could never happen here... by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

    Needless to say, in a digital world where web traffic equals money, such a user base attracts spammers, virus/spyware seeders, and other ethic-less online marketers like honey would attract flies.

    It's a good thing that these "spammers, virus/spyware seeders, and other ethic-less online marketers" would ever take advantage of of the /. user base!

    Oh wait...

    Yaz.

  38. firefox extension + script for facebook users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    People with Firefox can install the "stylish" extension (for controlling CSS), and, along with the "De-MySpacify" script, block all appearances of facebook apps in their browser. ( http://userstyles.org/styles/3681 ). It's about 15 lines long and incredibly helpful (not to mention aptly-named).

  39. There's XSS-like vulnerabilities too by Tojo-Mojo · · Score: 1

    The Profile Hug application embeds an iframe in its request notification that sometimes (but not always) redirects the user to an external site that then shows facebook in an iframe along with advertisements. Facebook has yet to do anything about this app (though I have notified them).

    For those who don't know how Facebook works, basically when one person installs an app, the app will pester them to request their friends also install it. A friend of mine installed it, which sent me a request that appears on a very long list of other such requests I've ignored. When I view my requests page, there is now a (sometimes) malicious iframe that will hijack my browser window, even though I have not installed any app.

    1. Re:There's XSS-like vulnerabilities too by prostoalex · · Score: 1

      Can you be a bit more specific? A Facebook app can choose to run FBML (display data passed back to Facebook and displayed) or an iframe, where you see Facebook navigation, but the rest of the page is iframe loaded from developer's server.

      What you are describing is a bit different, and I just want to make sure I understand it right.

    2. Re:There's XSS-like vulnerabilities too by keot · · Score: 1

      For those who don't know how Facebook works, basically when one person installs an app, the app will pester them to request their friends also install it. You need to speak with your friends.
      When you install a Facebook application there is a choice at the end of the process whether or not to spam all your friends with an invite to use the application. You can't avoid Facebook itself placing a 'Person installed application Foo' into your friend's news-feeds. However you can set preferences on your own news-feed to avoid such items appearing, using the 'x' button beside the item.
    3. Re:There's XSS-like vulnerabilities too by Tojo-Mojo · · Score: 1

      My request page (facebook.com/reqs.php) contains this iframe:

      <iframe src="http://74.86.142.202/~bydoss/facebook/profilehug/rx.php" width="0" height="0" style="position: absolute; left: -5000px;"></iframe>

      Which is embedded in the profile hug application request. It is positioned at negative 5000 pixels, so small chance of it showing anything. The php in question usually serves nothing, but some days when I view facebook.com/reqs.php my browser is redirected to http://74.86.142.202/~bydoss/facebook.php , which displays Facebook in an iframe along with banner ads as I mentioned. When you directly navigate to the url it does nothing, I assume there must be some post parameters.

      I am only assuming the iframe serves up the code to hijack the browser- unfortunately I was using Safari and was unable to trace any url/post parameters as I might have been able to with firebug (but the facebook.php url was shown in the address bar). The fact that the ip address would imply that it's related.

      I know I can tell my friends to get rid of the app, but what about all the other people who have it?

    4. Re:There's XSS-like vulnerabilities too by prostoalex · · Score: 1

      Thanks a lot for details.

  40. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

    As is so often qouted on /., "You can't con an honest man"

    You could have a website, full control over ALL the html, the ability to run php/mysql stuff, links to anything you want, a neat little script to let your friends leave comments....it'll cost you very little, I pay £60/yr for one of my websites and I get backups, halon fire suppression (which I couldn't even legally have in the UK), superb support etc etc

    OR....you could get a free but very limited version of the same plus adverts, spam and the occasional security scare like this. Stupid? No, just ignorant, but if I offered you a {WARNING, CAR ANALOGY} free car, and it turned out to have a radio that only tunes to one station then you can't really complain.

    You pays your money, you takes your pick. Or not, as the case may be.

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  41. I quit using those social networking sites! by Doug52392 · · Score: 0

    I stopped using MySpace after a year. I got over 100 spam advertisements, scams, and actually had to remove one of my friends from my MySpace page because he kept spamming my page with stupid porn links (which was, you guessed it, a scam). I plugged in my web server I made with Linux and Apache several weeks after that, and I can't believe everyone else doesn't do the same (or at least use free web hosting services, if they can't build their own). Only my friends and family know about and access the site, which I have some info about me, a blog, and a phpBB forum on.

    1. Re:I quit using those social networking sites! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only my friends and family know about and access the site
      So, Doug, does that make slashdot your friends or family?
      http://dougsdomain.dyndns.org/

      Btw, on your about page, you spell Massachusetts wrong.
  42. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 1

    I took the advice of your SIG.

    You shifted the goalposts on that one. Being smug about stupidity-with-consequences or laughing at it, is an entirely different issue than what you responded to. I agree there is no reason to feel superior or gain a sense of schadenfreude (sp?). On the whole, stupidity is kind of sad, and we all behave stupidly sometimes. However, saying stupidity deserves its results is a tautology, to my mind. If stupidity didn't have harmful results, then I don't see how a behaviour could really be called stupidity. Cupidity, or individual difference, maybe, but not stupidity.

    That's my two cents, at least.

  43. "ethic-less" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not sure about the intent of the hyphenation here, but imnsfho facebook et al seem to have a questionable motivation and ethical standards to start with, what with the only business model they have is user data on hock.

  44. Facebook is written in PHP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rest my case.

  45. Re:It's stupid WINDOWS users, duhh by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

    I took the advice of your SIG. Thank you. I sincerely mean that.

    I don't disagree that stupidity has harmful effects, my issue is with saying "stupid people deserve what they get". I think that saying things like that is promoting an attitude of smugness and I'm-better-than-you. Going by that logic, I really shouldn't try to educate stupid people, because they deserve the consequences of their stupid actions. Should we shield people from dumb mistakes? Of course not, we don't want to live in that kind of nanny-society. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a marginal amount of sympathy for those people, or try to help and educate them.

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  46. Re:What is "Facebook"? by TobyWong · · Score: 1

    It benefits people with active social lives. Not surprising then that so many slashdotters seem to be baffled by it.

    You can choose to be insulted by this or not but it's the truth.

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  47. Re:Honest reply by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

    I was quite unaware of that fact, but nonetheless... the issue here isn't facebook per se... it is the fact that any third party can write an application that gets all your data, and nobody really understands the implications of this...

    Ian

  48. I'm on a Mac, so wasn't affected.. but.. by osssmkatz · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's worse than an app.. it's actually an ad. It may be an actual app. However, it advertises itself as a banner and says you have 11 messages waiting. Click it, and it says they delete so many messages a day, and you are down to 3. I figured out pretty quickly when they asked for my gender (which they should have already if they were really a Facebook app) that it was fake.. besides the fact, it used images.. but there was no border around the banner, and no word "Advertisement". Facebook needs to correct this.. at a minimum.. and make it clear when you are leaving the Facebook site. But seriously, for Windows users, don't install executables. You know those "install and run" dialog boxes.. say "No." --Sam

  49. FUD alert by cavebison · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid this is all rumour and innuendo according to Zango:

    http://blog.zango.com/PermaLink,guid,94c0e12c-c69e-484f-81b8-b8b58953d71b.aspx
    (summary: users are clearly told they are downloading something, so what's the problem?)

    And try to keep up with the times, /. Don't you know: "Zango Advisory: As of this posting, the Zango security team has observed that the Secret Crush widget on Facebook is now called the "My Admirer" widget."

  50. ethicless? by uepuejq · · Score: 1

    why is this bias being injected into submissions? 'online marketers' aren't necessarily 'ethic-less,' even if their ethical standpoints don't necessarily coincide with their own. i would guess they do share ethical ideas with everybody using slashdot, though. they certainly utilize facebook to spread their ideals, which is what a lot of facebook users do on a regular basis (and what every living, thinking, non-hermit person who has any effect on the world does, consciously or unconsciously). this idea that it's ok to use false proclamations simply because you're discussing a subject your general audience will likely have similar feelings toward is ludicrous. i think spyware and spam and things like that are stupid and annoying, but practicing the distribution of those things does not make a person anything other than distributors of those things. if they do not have ethics, then they do not have ethics, but that's another situation entirely (and i would guess everything we know about human psychology and evolution pretty much rules that possibility out anyway), and certainly not the end result of their actions. their actions are the end result of their ethics, certainly, so i guess by stating otherwise you are begging the question? my knowledge of that fallacy is pretty lame, though. i'm not really smart enough to understand it, or something (something probably being i haven't learned enough to understand it [i remember reading that people who don't think they can do things tend to not try hard enough to find out if they can, so i'm trying to break that habit {because obviously if i read it on the internet it's true}]). another issue i have is with that article terming this as 'social engineering.' how exactly is a completely scripted process using absolutely no human interaction social engineering? if i write a program to represent a prompt for a passkey that stores the inputted information into a flat file, and a user ignorantly inputs their log in credentials to it, am i socially engineering them into doing so? just because it's a social networking site doesn't mean everything done on it is social. i understand that it's written to appear to be social, but i wouldn't call a full grown bear dressed in a diaper a human baby. i wouldn't call smarterchild a human being or consider a converssation with it a social event. why is completing a scripted process social on any level? just because you are compelled into action by a perceived social obligation does not mean you are participating in a social activity. i still pee standing up.

    1. Re:ethicless? by uepuejq · · Score: 1

      http://www.php.net/nl2br. seriously, it's 2008. and what's up with the 2 minute+ wait between posting? i don't even see an option for editing my post (i haven't looked very hard, so if somebody wants to just chime in if that option exists i'll be really grateful for saving me the time i might have to spend finding it, what a pointless pursuit that would be]). for a site written by people capable of understanding how to...create a site, this one sure is a pain in the ass to use.

  51. not social by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    im going to be brutally honest. if you don't enjoy facebook, it's because you don't have an active social life. this is true between 20-25 year olds. outside that range, facebook isn't as stapled to social lives.

    im pretty active with my social life, and im constantly on facebook to see pics of parties or outings im tagged in, as well as pics from what my friends were up to while i wasn't around (or not invited to! ha)

  52. Really? by thexile · · Score: 1

    Why limit your social life by posting as an ac?

  53. surprising? no by gridsleep · · Score: 0

    "ethic-less"? The word is "unethical." This is how language evolves and dies.

  54. Sounds like just the opposite... by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    >It benefits people with active social lives. Not surprising then that so many slashdotters seem to be baffled by it.

    It sounds just the opposite though. People don't seem to be using Facebook to socialize, they use it to digitally eavesdrop on the mundanities of people they no longer keep up with very well.

    Except for the examples provided where people use it as a meant so schedule physical meetings, it doesn't sound like real, honest-to-goodness socializing, it sounds like a substitute for it.

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    1. Re:Sounds like just the opposite... by TobyWong · · Score: 1

      It's possible that the people I know are an anomaly when it comes to facebook usage but they all use it for socializing, co-ordinating events, etc. Any digital eavesdropping that occurs is more or less peripheral. In other words, they may eavesdrop on old "dormant" friends but they definitely use it for a lot more than that with current, "active" friends.

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