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DOE Awards 265 Million Processor-Hours To Science Projects

Weather Storm writes "DOE's Innovative and Novel Computational Impact on Theory and Experiment (INCITE) program supports computationally intensive, large-scale research projects at a governmental level. They recently awarded 265 million processor-hours to 55 scientific projects, the largest amount of supercomputing resource awards donated in the DOE's history and three times that of last year's award. The winners were chosen based on their potential breakthroughs in the areas of science and engineering research, and the suitability of the project for using supercomputers. This year's INCITE applications ranged from developing nanomaterials to advancing the nation's basic understanding of physics and chemistry, and from designing quieter cars to improving commercial aircraft design. The next round of the INCITE competition will be announced this summer. Expansion of the DOE Office of Science's computational capabilities should approximately quadruple the 2009 INCITE award allocations to close to a billion processor hours."

59 comments

  1. its scary to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    there are botnets out there that are offering the same thing on the black market

    1. Re:its scary to think by kestasjk · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Can you provide a source? The people who estimate how large botnets are make money by scaring people (e.g. Symantec). The computing power would also clearly be very distributed, and it's hard to think of a criminal use for it.

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    2. Re:its scary to think by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Can you provide a source? Same source as the article.
      Doe. John Doe to be precise.

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    3. Re:its scary to think by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any sort of password/crypto cracking - using a brute-force search of the entire keyspace - parallelises very easily. See distributed.net for example.

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    4. Re:its scary to think by Entropius · · Score: 1

      Botnets may have the same number of CPU's, but they don't have anywhere near the bandwidth or latency between them.

    5. Re:its scary to think by dknj · · Score: 1

      i once witnessed someone control a swarm of 40,000 pcs using a vb app. its hard to believe until you see them all connect to an ircd server

  2. All models come to one conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The earth is 6000 years old. A computer said it, it's science.

    1. Re:All models come to one conclusion by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      My computer thinks time began in 1970.

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    2. Re:All models come to one conclusion by megaditto · · Score: 1

      How do you know it didn't begin in 1970?

      Any memories you may have originating prior to 1970 could have been planted into your brain at the start (in 1970).

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  3. 265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by rsmith-mac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone know what processors the DoD is using? 265 Million Processor-Hours is a pointless metric on its own, there's a big difference between those hours on a 486 and an Itanium 2 or a modern Xeon. They should have used something like FLOPS to measure the processor power being awarded.

    1. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Informative

      The supercomputers which were alloted award hours appear to be on:

      Blue Gene
      Cray XT4
      Cray X1E
      and NERSC HPC which doesn't have a convenient Wikepedia link, but comprises AMD Opteron processors.
      This is according to this Newswise report.

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    2. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by wcbarksdale · · Score: 1

      And how much is that in abacus-fortnights?

    3. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny
      And how much is that in abacus-fortnights?

      Enough to process 37,000 Libraries of Congress.

    4. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      Does anyone know what processors the DoD is using?

      They're Dell desktops.

      You'll find one in each of the gatehouses of our DoD establishments around the country. Oh, and BTW, we'd appreciate it if you could work the boom gate while you're using our processors.

      Don't let any bad guys in. Kthksby.

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    5. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      Did you mean 37,000 Libraries of Congress per Electoral Year? Libraries of Congress are units of storage, not processing rate.

    6. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by Cus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Enough to process 37,000 Libraries of Congress. ...or one tax return.
    7. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by calf_mu · · Score: 1

      No, rather may I have that in cash please?

    8. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by Phat_Tony · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's 265 million processor hours on Intel 4004's.

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    9. Re:265 Million Processor-Hours On What Processors? by DegreeOfFreedom · · Score: 1

      NERSC's primary resource is another Cray XT4.

  4. So... by Smordnys+s'regrepsA · · Score: 1

    Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of...
    oh, forget it already! I think this meme is tapped.

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  5. Duh by Ironpoint · · Score: 2, Interesting


    What else are DOE machines used for other than research? Isn't this like saying "The Department of Transportation awards 100 million highway miles to travelers" or "NASA awards 100 shuttle flights to astronauts"?

    1. Re:Duh by B3ryllium · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say,

      *** REDACTED FOR THE PURPOSES OF NATIONAL SECURITY ***.

      I think that about sums it up.

    2. Re:Duh by Btarlinian · · Score: 1

      What else are DOE machines used for other than research? Isn't this like saying "The Department of Transportation awards 100 million highway miles to travelers" or "NASA awards 100 shuttle flights to astronauts"?

      I'm pretty sure that the point is that they have 265 million processor years to hand out, rather than the fact that they were handed out. Until Earth Simulator came online in Japan a several years ago, the state of supercomputing was languishing in the US, (at least for scientific research purposes, for all we know, the NSA has several petaflops of computing capacity.)

      Unfortunately, it seems like politicians have gone a bit overboard in devoting resources to supercomputing, since according to this article, funding for various research labs and organizations, (Fermilab, ITER, etc.) were cut, while supercomputing got MORE money than requested. Hopefully, they'll come to their senses next year.

    3. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. They could sell the computer time. The DOE is sucking down over US$20 billion a year, and this could help offset that.

      I know the DOE's budget is just a little piddle compared to the wars we're in, and the price of the computer-time they could sell would be a tiny fraction of *that*, but I do kind of like it when my government at least *tries* to save money, when they can.

      Independent of what it's being spent on, I really don't like that the government is continuing to go into ever-more-massive debt.

    4. Re:Duh by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1
      Dear DOE; please accept my research grant proposal for a project involving energy, and pornography. Results might be available in as little as 30 seconds.

      Thank you

    5. Re:Duh by link5280 · · Score: 1

      Nuclear simulations are one of the main reasons DOE builds supercomputers. Since the U.S. can't test actual nuclear bombs anymore R&D is done on these supercomputers. Looks like they have some spare CPU time to lend out to academia though. https://publicaffairs.llnl.gov/news/news_releases/2007/NR-07-06-09.html http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pubs/articles/1990/thirdworldbomb.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_National_Laboratory

  6. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    MY computer told me it could enlarge my pen15, but I think that was more Science Fiction than Hard Science (that joke was soo bad, I HAVE to post AC)

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      (that joke was soo bad, I HAVE to post AC) You made the right decision.
  7. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ron Paul is a damn nigger? That explains everything!

  8. but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    megahours? But how many laptop miles is that?

  9. hum! by cosmocain · · Score: 2, Funny

    [...]to advancing the nation's basic understanding of physics and chemistry[...]

    all you need for that task is a stone dropping from the second floor on some heads. that's the basics of physics and a hell of fun.

    1. Re:hum! by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      You are confusing bad apples with stones...

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    2. Re:hum! by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      But if you drop a rock onto a pedestrian and no-one is around to observe it, has an innocent bystander been seriously hurt?

  10. Why CPU Hours? by Reigo+Reinmets · · Score: 1

    I don't get it, they are awarding CPU-hours... Lots of them of course but wouldn't the projects be way more happier with X brand new PS3's?
    Because it's already a proven fact that PS3 is twice as useful as a research computer rather than a teenager playing equipment.

  11. Good news everyone... by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

    ...now I can finally finish the calculations for my ultimate doomsday device.

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    1. Re:Good news everyone... by secretwhistle · · Score: 1

      I'm sciencing as fast as I can!

  12. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear sir you are quite mistaken.
    Ron Paul is the most vehemently anti-nigger candidate currently in play. He hates niggers with a beautiful passion. That man is the most dedicated nigger-hater in the country at his power level. Sure, Hillary Clinton may hate niggers more, but dollar for campaign dollar Ron Paul hates niggers more than anyone.

    Vote ron Paul 2008

  13. Re:Obligatory... by Badgam · · Score: 1

    Maybe we should just use those supercomputers to select our next president. Way I figure it, even HAL 9000 would make a better President than pretty much everybody running. Hell, even the Combine Overwatch would do a pretty decent job, so long as you like roasted headcrab and antlion stew for three meals per day.

  14. Helping the Nation by supertsaar · · Score: 1

    ...advancing the nation's basic understanding of physics and chemistry,...
    Ow Im afraid no amount of processor time will help.....its hopeless...

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  15. EXACTLY the reason they gave it out... by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 1

    Anything processed on their machines becomes something they have a stake in, and something they KNOW about, in INTIMATE detail. Nothing runs on my machines with my permission without me knowing something about it. I have a pretty good feeling that the federales are no different. If they're giving out access, you can guarantee that THEY are ALSO getting access to the data that is getting crunched. Wouldn't want any breakthroughs to go to the free market rather than to the strangulated market run by the government, would ya? I mean damn, some inventor might get it into his head to benefit from his own invention. How dare those damn inventors do that? Don't they know that ANY work they do is to benefit mankind, and not themselves?!

    So the government found a solution. Donate some of those tax dollars that they take by force each year, in such a way that they will have a stake in any technological breakthroughs that they cannot confiscate and silence outright.

    Hey, big surprise. At least they try to keep it reasonably legit. On the soviet side, they would've appropriated your invention ANYWAYS, and given you a wooden plaque and named an institute for you (if your invention was life changing for enough of the masses)... otherwise you'd get a free vacation to the nearest gulag.

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    1. Re:EXACTLY the reason they gave it out... by PowerEdge · · Score: 1

      No one is preventing said researcher or inventor from buying time on a non tax-payer funded machine.

      Also, DOE superomputers are used to keep our nuclear warheads safe and perform nuclear testing, as it is impossible to carry out real tests now.

    2. Re:EXACTLY the reason they gave it out... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot. Maybe you should go look up grid computing, OGF, NGS, etc...

      Obviously it is more fun spouting your paranoid shit than actually limiting yourself to talk about stuff that you know something about.

    3. Re:EXACTLY the reason they gave it out... by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 1

      By all means. I'm paranoid, and you're gullible. What's the difference, in the long run, I wonder?

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  16. Fire is the topic of the year by Tom+Womack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Except for Blue Gene (and that's a big exception, since the 2^17-CPU Blue Gene at LLNL pumps out about a billion processor hours a year on its own, and has had another 80,000 CPUs added recently) these CPUs are either 2.4GHz Opterons or 3GHz Core2s; those were and are the sweet spots for building big HPCs.

    The list of projects is at

    http://www.science.doe.gov/ascr/incite/2008INCITEFactsheets.pdf

    They seem mostly to be about fire, in power stations, in supernovae or in fission reactors.

    Some nice examples: 27Mhours on lattice quantum chromodynamics, 21Mhours to simulating thermonuclear burning in type-1B supernovas, 18Mhours to figuring out how biofuels burn, 17.5Mhours to determine from first quantum principles how the nickel-56 nucleus holds together, 16Mhours to simulating thermonuclear burning in type-2 supernovas, 12Mhours to attempting to design a carbamate hydrolase enzyme de-novo, 10Mhours to simulating lead-telluride / silver-antinomy-telluride thermoelectric materials, 4.5Mhours to optimise the design of the next-generation linear collider, 5M hours to figuring out why enormous temperature gradients persist in liquid-sodium-cooled fast-breeder reactors and a further 14Mhours to liquid-sodium reactor design in general, 4M hours to figuring out exactly how multiple burners in large power-station combustion chambers light one another, 3.5Mhours to trying to understand why it's so hard to hydrolyse cellulose, 3.5Mhours to understanding how flame fronts move in the complicated gas mixtures obtained from coal gasification, half a million hours for oceanic circulation, three quarters of a million hours for flow of dense suspensions, ten million hours on catalyst design.

    And, for some reason, a million hours on porting Plan-9 to the Blue Gene system. I presume this allows you to crash and reboot the entire 200kcpu system enough to identify ten bugs. Also eight million CPU-hours to developing better HPC libraries.

    I would be interested to know the amount of idle time there is on these supercomputers; a friend of mine from mersenneforum.org got a week on several hundred Opterons in France over Christmas, which was enough to do most of the work required to factorise a few numbers of fairly unreasonable size - sadly, there's a second step in the factorisation which requires an SMP machine, and the biggest SMP machine I have is an Intel Q6600, so completing the factorisation is taking three weeks on a single desktop in my back bedroom.

    1. Re:Fire is the topic of the year by westyx · · Score: 1

      Reading the document, it sounds like they are thinking of moving to plan-9 as the OS on the machines.

  17. Who? Where? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Look, I don't know who the DOE are. I don't even know what country they're in. This is an international site -- is it too much to expect some basic information?

    HAL.

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    1. Re:Who? Where? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      DOE = The US Department of Energy

    2. Re:Who? Where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with you in general, it's not that difficult to do a quick acronymfinder search and find out yourself.

      I'd think this is basic stuff, at least on /..

  18. Re:Obligatory... by argiedot · · Score: 1

    That's funny, there was an Asimov story 'Franchise' about just this. I think it's partly a joke, but it has a world in which statistical analysis is so perfect that a computer (Multivac naturally) chooses the perfect 'average' man and that man's one vote is the sample it uses to measure who must get elected. Funny.

  19. Strange units... by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    So how many laptops per forthnight is that?

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  20. Honestly by peipas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Define your acronyms the first time you use them. This summary got it half right. If the submitter fails to do this, please pick up the slack editors. If you don't know what to put, that should be a red flag not to post it.

  21. Running Vista? by PPH · · Score: 1

    This should be just about enough time to burn one DVD.

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  22. The catch. by dangitman · · Score: 1

    The catch is that those 256 million processor hours are being given on a single 6502 processor.

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  23. IF the DOE can just donate... by gillbates · · Score: 1

    265 million hours of computing time, how much do they really have?

    Assuming they've donated this time to be used during one year, that means they've got around 30,000 processors idle.

    Which makes me wonder how much computing power the NSA has. I had always assumed that it would be less than the number of people on the planet, but now I'm not so sure...

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    1. Re:IF the DOE can just donate... by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      They're not really donating it. They are "awarding" hours of processor time on supercomputers that were paid for with taxpayer money. Energy research is the mandate of the DOE. The concept is:

      1. DOE buys/builds supercomputers.
      2. Scientists write proposals about running programs on supercomputers.
      3. DOE chooses proposals that look cool / are scientifically interesting / don't suck
      4. DOE divvies up the time pie
      5. Scientists run their code and figure stuff out, write papers

      Time = money, especially when supercomputers are involved.

  24. H. Ross Perot was right by gr8scot · · Score: 1

    "DOE's Innovative and Novel Computational Impact on Theory and Experiment (INCITE) program supports computationally intensive, large-scale research projects at a governmental level. A business would not be successful by asserting, in its name, that it is "Innovative and Novel." A business [absent government subsidy or anti-newcomer regulations] would have to call itself "CITE," and do so according to scientific standards, to sell what it offers based on the judgement of its Customers that its work is indeed "innovative and novel."

    Mod me down all you want. This matters more to me than the topic, or your funny "Mod points."
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