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Thinkpad X300 Specs Leaked

Kyokushi writes "Gizmodo reports that some specifications of a new ultralight Lenovo X300 have been leaked. 'It appears that Lenovo have themselves a new ultralight X300 series Thinkpad — and outside of the price and release date, we have all of the specs that you need to know. At a glance, some of the major features include: a 13.3-inch LED backlit 1440X900 screen, an ultralight 2.5 pound form factor, and Intel Merom Santa Rosa Dual Core CPU (2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ), a 64 GB SSD, up to 4GB of DDR2 PC2-5300 memory, and 4 hours of battery life.' If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air." Update: 01/20 22:55 GMT by S : Corrected Gizmondo->Gizmodo.

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  1. Gizmondo is a failed handheld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gizmodo is the tech blog reporting this.

    1. Re:Gizmondo is a failed handheld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I went to the jizzmondo site to read up on this, but all I can find is information on young willing east european babes who want my hot manmeat now!

  2. Light? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But does it run OS X?

    1. Re:Light? by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 2, Funny

      But does it run OS X?

      I hope not.

    2. Re:Light? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No - it doesn't run AmigaOS either. I'm not sure that running or not being able to run another platform's OS affects how much publicity it should get or how good it is. (And I find it ironic if being able to run Windows is now touted as an advantage for Macs...)

  3. Need video and wireless specs by Jim+Hall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds really interesting, but I'm waiting to hear more about video and wireless card. Thinkpads have been very good for me in running Linux, but Linux on laptops these days often comes down to the video card, modem, and the wireless card. Modems are usually winmodems, which are hard to support - but I haven't used a modem in years. Anyone have other details to point to?

    1. Re:Need video and wireless specs by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 4, Informative

      TFA has all kinds of info. Check out this table of specs, as well as these tidbits here. It appears to sport integrated graphics; Discrete graphics are listed as "not supported", along with PCexpress cards and other card readers. As a side note, new laptop having neither an express card slot or any other card reader is quite surprising to me -- especially a high-budget product like a Lenovo.

    2. Re:Need video and wireless specs by gradedcheese · · Score: 2, Informative

      With ThinkPads it's just a matter of whether you get "integrated" (Intel) or "discrete" (ATI/NVidia) graphics, and in this case I doubt they'll jam "discrete" graphics into a smaller form factor, especially where battery life and heat count so much. My guess is that it has Intel graphics, in which case things should work fine. The WiFi will probably be a MiniPCI / ExpressCard deal as usual, in which case you can choose Intel's chipset.

    3. Re:Need video and wireless specs by gnuman99 · · Score: 4, Informative

      All extra peripherals are replaced with USB devices. There is no need to complicate the interface anymore. USB is ubiquitous. Maybe firewire would have been a better solution, but Apple butchered it by requiring manufacturers pay royalties while USB had a royalty-free implementation from the start. Clearly, free-market spoke and USB is king.

      Card readers and express card slots went the way of the floppy and serial port.

    4. Re:Need video and wireless specs by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      USB is okay for a lot of things, but the CPU requirements and the bloated protocol make it unsuitable for high-bandwidth tasks. With an ExpressCard slot you can:
      • Add a(nother) GigE port.
      • Add a discrete GPU and a second monitor port.
      • Add an external disk interface with enough bandwidth to run a RAID array.
      There are probably a few others I haven't thought of.
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  4. I like the specs better by the_humeister · · Score: 2, Informative

    It even has wired ethernet. But Apple still has the branding that the general populace flock to nowadays.

    1. Re:I like the specs better by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple also has OSX, and Lenovo has Windows. The difference in operating systems is more than branding (I don't own a Mac, but let's face it, Microsoft is still playing catch-up.)

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    2. Re:I like the specs better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, someday Microsoft may hope to sell more copies of their software than Apple does. Catch up indeed.

    3. Re:I like the specs better by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but we aren't talking about the relative financial success here: we're talking about the usability and sophistication of the product itself. And there Microsoft is way behind. Make no mistake ... I don't like Apple, I don't like Jobs, and it's unlikely I'll ever own an Apple product again (the last one was an Apple ][.) So I'm not defending Apple Computer, per se, but as a Windows programmer I'm more than familiar with the shortcomings of that particular OS.

      Catch up, indeed.

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    4. Re:I like the specs better by gnuman99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple doesn't have the panacea of the OS world. And I own a Mac. Seriously, Vista is not that bad and can be comparable to Apple. The annoying popups shouldn't actually be experienced in properly written software for end-users anyway.

      Windows API/ABI at least is stable. Apple's new OS is less so. I wander how long it will take for 10.0 apps to be unusable. The only "problem" with 64-bit Vista is you can't run Windows 3.1 apps anymore. :)

      I know you can argue that manifests are nasty and all that, but at least the overall situation with manifests is a little better than the old DLL-hell we used to experience. Apple has a better solution from user standpoint, though it has its shortcoming (ie. app bundles).

      But if you are speaking from a programming world (as someone that writes software for all 3 OS - OS X, windows and Linux), Linux's userland is way ahead in the programmer friendliness. Stuff just works. Tools just work. Automation just works. In this light and my experience, both X and Windows are light-years behind.

    5. Re:I like the specs better by lukas84 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah well.

      It depends a lot. The idea is nice, but also has a lot of disadvantages:

      * You'll have to find a power plug for this thing (yes, also for the laptop, but finding one power plug is easier than finding two)
      * The companies security policy has to allow you to install a wireless device into the network
      * The wireless device has to be able to authenticate properly to the customers network - support a variety of 802.1x/EAP authentication schemes
      * I would probably lose the device in a week ;)

      Especially #2 would be prohibitive for me. But, if it works for your customers then it is a good solution.

    6. Re:I like the specs better by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Informative

      In this light and my experience, both X and Windows are light-years behind.

      Please don't refer to MacOS version 10 as 'X'.

      Microsoft tried to steal the 'X' moniker with Active-X and with the X-Box. Apple has tried to steal it with Mac OS-X.

      X is the term for the X Window System and has been since back when Apple was just eying the 68000 processor as a potential platform, and Microsoft was trying to figure out how to get past the 640K barrier.

    7. Re:I like the specs better by Schmool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, 10/100 Ethernet isn't all that fast. Apple doesn't really want you to use it either, that's why it's offered as an option, for those who absolutely must plug in. Apple wants you to use 802.11n, which at 30MB/ps is quite respectable. Since the standard disk in the MacBook comes straight from the iPod, at 1.8" and 4200rpm, it's not likely to be a great performer in the high speed transfer department anyways, so why bother with Gigabit Ethernet.

      Perhaps more importantly, Apple wants you to keep your multimedia files on separate devices such as Time Capsule and Apple TV, so you won't be needing to transfer large files anyways ;)

    8. Re:I like the specs better by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, come on. Five years back when Vista was just a gleam in Bill Gates' eye Microsoft was promising all sorts of fantastic things, things that the Mac eventually came out with (or already had at the time) while Vista has been an ongoing mess of promised features being removed. Like I said elsewhere, I don't own a Mac and don't much care for Apple or it's reality-bending leader, but Vista is a lame-duck product considering how long Microsoft had to work on it. I say that as a software engineer who has to learn and work with Microsoft products (hey, it's a living.)

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  5. FunctionForm by Tainek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still cannot understand the rabid obsession with thinness the most people have, the two most importent things for me are weight and battery life, the laptops thickness is its least problomatic dimension. i would rather have this over the Air, this should also be tougher than the Air, which cannot be too tough. This also has 4G Ram, which is a must for any media work. The Air is more of a fashion accessory than a serious laptop IMO

    1. Re:FunctionForm by Phat_Tony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that I don't understand the super obsession with size (size doesn't matter, right?) but clearly to some people it does. I guess that, as a luxury product, it's just cool and sexy to have something really sleek and thin.

      To me, the Thinkpad looks like a better laptop than the Macbook Air, because it's got an optical drive, three USB ports instead of one, built-in ethernet, and a faster processor. But why even compare these two laptops, instead of comparing a Macbook or Macbook Pro to whatever model of competing Thinkpads there are, unless size is one of your primary criteria? If size wasn't a primary consideration, you shouldn't be shopping for or comparing either of these two laptops, because you'd get more laptop for your money in something that isn't aimed specifically at being tiny.

      And for those for whom it's all about size, the Apple's graduated to a different league than this Thinkpad. They're about the same footprint, but the Air tapers from .16" to .76", where the Thinkpad tapers from .73" to .92". The Air's thickest part is almost as thin as the Thinkpad's thinnest part. Assuming they're both 9" deep and that the cross-sectional area of these laptops were right trapezoids, which they're not quite, the Macbook's cross sectional area is 4.14 square inches, and the Thinkpad's is 7.43. It's a big difference.

      Again, it's a difference that I, and probably most people on Slashdot don't really care about, but apparently some people do, and as I said, why compare ultra-slim notebooks at all if you aren't going to give them points for how ultra-slim they are? If there weren't a lot of people in the US willing to pay a thousand or more dollars extra for something slightly slimmer, Dynamism wouldn't have been around for all these years.

      I think the lack of ports on the Air are a huge drawback, but I think it's Apple's attempt to start dragging us into a wireless future, and it's a future I don't think technology's ready for now, but will be in a few years. Once there's a decent wireless peripheral interface with broad support (wireless USB or whatever), and there's wireless charging, and maybe some new batteries that last much longer and last for many more recharging cycles, they can just make 0-port hermetically sealed laptops. That would be a cool future. I'd also want my Wi-Fi integrated such that it's functional at the BIOS level, so one could do OS upgrades and netboot and emergency recovery over WIFI. Apple's trying to nudge us this way, and so to them it's a "feature" that they took nearly all the ports off the computer, although it's a feature that would currently make my world a much more difficult one.

      This new Thinkpad isn't trying to be visionary, and it isn't radically thinner. It's just the regular old incremental improvement, not much different in magnitude from the past 10 generations of thin Thinkpads in how much different it is from its predecessors. While I personally prefer its specs over the Air's, I prefer nearly any new Laptop's specs over the Air's, and I'm surprised people consider it news, because it looks to me like the slightly smaller, slightly faster future we're all used to on notebook revisions, while the Air was a much smaller, intentionally low-on-ports different vision of the suture that is sort of newsworthy.

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    2. Re:FunctionForm by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I really have trouble working out what market segment the Air is aiming for. It's small, but the size shrink is not that significant. I have to carry my current laptop in a bag, and the Air would also need to be carried in a bag. Sure, it's slightly lighter, but that's it. Shrink it to the size where I can fit it in my pocket and then we'll talk - I currently use a Nokia 770 (stupid product name) and a ThinkOutside foldable Bluetooth keyboard for when I don't want to carry a laptop around with me. In an ideal world, I would have a 'laptop' about the size of the 770 that I could slot into a monitor when I was at my desk.

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    3. Re:FunctionForm by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I really have trouble working out what market segment the Air is aiming for.
      It's easy.

      The Air isn't a notebook; it's a wireless portable screen & keyboard for your network (& limited stand-alone use). You walk in, sit down, open it up, and work on files stored on the network. It's not aiming at a market segment; it's aiming at a paradigm.

      It's a bold and interesting idea. And it's not quite there yet; at the very least Apple needs to put some work into VPN, automount, & sync support in OS X before it can fully reach its potential. I suspect the idea is eventually you'll be able to pick up the Air from your desk, head off to the local Starbucks or the airport departure lounge, open it up, and just start working as before - it'll automatically VPN to your network, connect to your shared drives, and you'll see everything exactly as you would at your desk. Hop on the plane, open it up, and you'll be working on locally stored copies of your important files - which are automatically synced back to your network once you're back in wireless range of your LAN.

      Knowing Apple, they'll never get this working seamlessly during the lifetime of this first model - but once they do, it'll Just Work. No dicking around, no reconfiguring, no fiddling with connections - just open your Air and start working.

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  6. Missing features... by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunately much to the chagrin of the Gizmodo reporter, tv-b-gone remotes don't seem to have any effect on the new laptop.

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  7. why are thinkpads so ugly? by drtsystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

    1. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by phoxix · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why do all thinkpads look like they are from 1995? I know they are targeting businesses, and are great laptop's, but seriously, that laptop looks the same as my 300mhz Pentium 2 thinkpad

      Ugly?

      Some of us think the black boxy design is incredibly sexy. The design behind the Thinkpad is based of the elegant design of the Japanese Bento Box. One of think Thinkpads is even on permanent display at New York Museum of Modern Art!

      The day these machines stop being black and boxy is the day many of us stop buying them.

    2. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by eMartin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, but one thing i don't like is the cluttered keyboard.

      My Macbook Pro's keyboard does all that I need in both OS X and Windows, and doesn't have all of the extra keys and extra writing on them that the Thinpads do.

    3. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by asc99c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lenovo do have some nicer looking laptops with glossy coatings everywhere. One thing I've noticed though, is that the Lenovo / IBM look is a very durable look. The nearly black, matte mottled surface doesn't show fingerprints, scratches or grime and the plastic is the same colour underneath the surface.

      My laptop is about a year old and only travels occasionally. It looks great except for all the scratches, discolouration, chips etc. Unless you always store your laptop in a padded laptop bag, in a separate compartment from the power adaptor and other accessories it will only stay pretty a few months.

      You can just throw a Lenovo in the boot every day and a couple years later it will come out looking the same - see your comment above :)

    4. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by manekineko2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yow! I think that's just the first time I've ever seen someone not like the keyboards on Thinkpads.

    5. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by rilister · · Score: 3, Informative

      The original old ThinkPad design is the one in MOMA - designed by Richard Sapper.
      http://images.businessweek.com/ss/05/10/richard_sapper/index_01.htm

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad
      It's a nicely detailed design. His most famous design would be the Tizio lamp, as seen in flash offices in movies from the 80's:
      http://land.liquid-light.org/tizio/tizio-treff.jpg
      You can kinda see the same aesthetic carrying over: simple, straight lines, technical, precise.

      Sapper is an interesting guy - no industrial design training, just picked it up and got world famous.

      Since then, IBM/Lenovo seem to have diluted the original design intent until now all you've got is the fact that it's black and boxy. I don't think they really understood the design language they inherited, and most of the stuff in the ThinkPad line is just darn hideous. Lines and edges all over the place, arbitrarily mixed with curves (NO curves in the original). The fact they claim lineage in that he 'influences' their current design doesn't convince me he actually creates it.

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    6. Re:why are thinkpads so ugly? by RedBear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of us think the black boxy design is incredibly sexy. I don't think the ugliness I see comes from the black boxy design of the outside, which isn't too bad. It's kind of nice all closed up, except for that stupid multi-colored logo on top. But when you open it up the damn thing is full of various holes, marks and different colored buttons that make it look almost like they forgot to put the final case on it. Personally when I opened the linked article the first thought that came to mind was, "How do they manage to make these things so damn ugly?!" with the next thought being that this fancy new ultra-special, ultra-light laptop looks just like every ugly ThinkPad I've seen for at least ten years. But I guess I may have been corrupted by my iBook and MacBook.

      I know ThinkPads are being marketed mainly to businesses, but business users are still people, and by a large majority most people seem to appreciate cleaner looking designs. It would behoove Lenovo to come up with an alternate design to compete better against the Apple laptops that even business users are buying in droves these days. You can bet your booty there will be a ton of business "frequent flyer" and presenter types that will be buying the new MacBook Air despite all it's technical shortcomings. A large part of their reason for choosing the MacBook Air will be the sleek, uncomplicated design. I don't care how technically awesome and super-light this new ThinkPad is, there are a lot of people like me who would much rather lug around a MacBook Pro than be forced to use something so ugly. The GP post was right, it still looks like it was made in 1995. I can't see how anyone would think that's good marketing. Except for die-hard ThinkPad fans, of course.

      Yes, ugly is in the eye of the beholder. But there is a reason people are buying Macs by the millions, and shockingly the software is only part of it.

  8. MacBook and ThinkPad not really competing by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are of course people going for the specs, but they are just as much about branding. The target markets has very little overlap.

    The guy on the Gizmondo blog that compared it with Volvo vs Porche got it right (a car analogy always helps :-), someone in the market for a new Volvo is unlikely to be swayed by a Porche, and vice versa.

    The rest of the bloggers aso got it right, they focused on how ugly, boring, old fashioned, and conservative the Thinkpad looked (it looked like every other Thinkpad), which is exactly what the Thinkpad market wants. They don't want something looking flimsy and flashy as they would consider the MacBook Air to look.

  9. Ultralight 2.5 pound by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

    At a glance, some of the major features include [...] an ultralight 2.5 pound form factor

    Good it's not one of those ultraheavy 2.5 pound laptops.

  10. Is it actually a Thinkpad? by toppavak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who's used IBM Thinkpads for a while, I have to ask: is it actually a Thinkpad, or is it based on Lenovo's own designs (like the ideapad)? If it comes with the titanium-alloy reinforced case, the HDAPS and support from IBM's standard thinkpad support line I'm sold. If not... *shrug*

    A quick glance at the picture suggests it could be either way- it has the keyboard light that most thinkpad users come to love and adore yet the screen hinge looks plastic instead of the heavy duty metal hinges that give thinkpads that smooth and secure feel while adjusting the screen you just don't see with most other laptops.

    1. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All I need to know: It's got the trackpoint! That means I want it. But moreso, that means it's likely to be pretty Thinkpad-y.

    2. Re:Is it actually a Thinkpad? by darkwhite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please get rid of the stupid window keys Says you. The Windows key is indispensable in Windows and is very useful in Linux. I find myself wishing my old Thinkpad keyboards had them. If you're upset over the smaller Ctrl or Alt, just remap the Windows key to one of them.

      and useless finger print readers What's your problem with the fingerprint readers? They cost like 10 dollars extra and you don't have to use them.

      don't ... get rid of the 14.1 (non widescreen) XGA format. It's not the aspect ratio but the display quality that matters to most people. I personally have no idea why anyone whose vision is not seriously impaired would use a 1024x768 screen on a 14.1" panel. I'm fine with the lower resolution being there as long as there's a high resolution option, but to call it an aspect of "quality" that people "deserve" is a little silly.

      Dual core CPUs are useless for notebooks and just suck more battery life with little or no returns for average use. Now you're just being silly. You probably haven't noticed that single-core CPUs are now fringe low-end bin parts which are actually dual-cores with one core disabled and won't be seen in higher-end laptop designs at all anymore. You also probably don't know that dual-core CPUs consume far less than twice their single-core counterparts; that the two cores are kept plenty busy with an average user's workload; that one core takes over the other's cache while the other is idle; and that by working together to run a bunch of threads that are woken all at once by modern kernels, dual-core designs can significantly improve C3/C4 sleep time compared to single core, reducing overall power consumption.

      Don't ever even even think about getting rid of the red button mouse but DO seriously concider removing the useless trackpad. Here we go with the "keep the features I want, remove the features most of the market wants" again. If there's space for the trackpad, what's your problem with it? If there's no space, they have been known to remove it.

      Dual hotswap (Everything is SATA nowadays anyway) HDD slots for redundancy with some sort of release button with optional locking screw - rather than screws to easily swap HDD. I want to be able to replace a failed drive without rebooting. Almost nobody wants two HDDs in a laptop; nobody will ever hotswap a failed HDD out of a laptop without rebooting. A lot more people have use for an optical drive for a laptop (I usually don't). No screws = lost structural integrity. Guess what happens when that hotswap HDD cage falls corner first from a table 3 feet high onto the office floor? That said, HDD hotswap in Ultrabay has been possible forever, whether PATA or SATA.

      My biggest beef with this design is the small form factor HDD instead of the standard 2.5" form factor and the optical drive bay, which I have a use for but which I'd rather not be there at all to save space for the battery and add rigidity to the chassis.
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  11. Target Market by konohitowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's only competition for the Airbook (yes - I know it's a "MacBook Air") if the intent of the Airbook was to lure droves of Windows users. As to the idea that it was "leaked" - please - this was nothing more than a press release in the guise of a leak. It was stunningly reminiscent of the Windows "yeah - we've got that too - next week! - so don't go anywhere" tactic.

  12. Behold! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Informative

    But does it run OS X? The Mighty iATKOS!

    Black Air.
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    1. Re:Behold! by rxmd · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Mighty iATKOS!

      OS X Intel does not work all that well on Thinkpads if you actually want to use them as a laptop. It installs just fine and some people actually use theirs that way. However, sleep mode doesn't work due to an incompatibility between OS X and the Thinkpad's ACPI implementation regarding power states S1 vs. S3; the computer will fail to wake up and give a BIOS error message that the system configuration has been tampered with, after which you need to go into BIOS setup, go out again and boot normally.

      It would be sleek to have OS X reliably working on Thinkpads, but without sleep mode, the whole laptop thing kind of loses its point.
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    2. Re:Behold! by marcell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Can I just close my lid and have it sleep and then wake it in a couple of seconds and resume where I left off?

      works for me on t41. linux 2.6.23-rt1 with default acpi support on gentoo distribution.

      > Does Linux work on *any* current laptop out of the box (Ubuntu or Fedora)?

      on many laptops. but running 'out of the box' for many ppl is not what they want. they want to customize their box and adopt it to their needs. something very hard to understand for FUDers like you....

  13. lenovo already has ultralight... by sentientbrendan · · Score: 4, Informative

    >If this is true, then Lenovo looks to have some heavy competition for the Macbook Air

    Lenovo already has a computer in the ultralight space, the X61. The X61 has almost identical specs to the macboook air, at a much lower price and significantly higher clockspeed.

    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3765

    Looking at this new machine, I really like that they've lowered the weight more and slightly increased the screen size; however, I have to wonder what the point of a 1440X900 resolution is at 13' inches.

    I also have to ask what the point of including a touch pad is, when you have one of those "keyboard nipple" trackpoints. The trackpoints are so ridiculously and unambiguously superior to a touch pad, that it just seems like a waste of space.

    The third issue with the new spec, is that it is still VGA output instead of DVI output. Pretty much all modern monitors have DVI inputs, so I don't see the point of going with the old standard.

    Finally, I'm not convinced of the benefits of a flash harddrive. If they are saving weight, that's nice (although I'm not sure they are lighter). However, it's a pretty small drive, and it is a myth that flash drives are faster. Flash drives have better random access, but slower sequential access, and most accesses are sequential. Things are going to seem *slower* moving to flash, not faster.

    1. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by setirw · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've never met a single person ever who prefers a nipple to a trackpad.

      So *that's* why geeks have such a hard time getting laid...

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    2. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Guess you don't know too many people. Some people (like me) buy a Thinkpad specifically because we find trackpads hard to use but like the Trackpoint nipple.

    3. Re:lenovo already has ultralight... by spotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      people who learn how to use the trackpoint correctly, never go back.

      Having to take your fingers off the keyboard to use the mouse on a laptop is not ergonomic.

  14. Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Funny

    why is one core 2.0 Ghz and the other 880 Mhz?

    looks lopsided to me = O o

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    1. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by dn15 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dual-core CPUs are always (at least to my knowledge) the same speed in both cores. The "2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz" would be indicating that the processor is 2GHz with an 880MHz bus.

    2. Re:Dual Core CPU 2.0 Ghz / 880 Mhz ? by russlar · · Score: 2, Informative

      2.0 GHz is the clock speed of each core. the 800 MHz is the front side bus.

      on multi-core processors, each core runs at the same clock speed. unless one of the cores burns out, in which case its clock speed becomes 0.

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  15. Is there a tablet version? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The key selling point of Windows over Mac in the laptop area as far as I am concerned is the tablet form-factor. Tablets are very good for collaborative whiteboarding during a brainstorming session.

    Light is nice but Steve Jobs seems to have a bit of a Clive Sinclair complex. He just pushes the envelope one bit too far. Sinclair did it on cheap (microdrive not a floppy), Jobs does it on practicality (no exchangable batteries).

    The Lenovo looks like it is slightly less cool but a lot more practical. I bet you can swap out the battery. In fact I bet that nobody even thought of not allowing the user to swap it out.

    Looks to me like this is a deliberate, sanctioned leak in response to the Air. Looks like solid state drives are becomming mainstream. Getting rid of the mechanical components from the board is going to make it much easier to do thin.

    I suspect that the actual battery life is 3 hours and 6 with the extended battery pack, my T43 still does that reliably with two year old battery packs.

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  16. Non MS-Windows option needed by markdavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looks like a fantastic machine, could compete very well with the Sony TX ultra-small, full-powered laptops (models I have used for several years). The only thing obviously missing is the option to buy it with no OS and/or with Linux. Before someone cries about "Linux isn't ready" or "Linux isn't mainstream", I would stress the word *OPTION*. Let consumers decide what they want, if it means no OS, so be it... Lenovo doesn't HAVE to offer Linux support, although that would be even more courageous.

    MS-Windows can be preinstalled but licensed separately, meaning there only has to be a single packaging, model, inventory, etc. They could even choose a free, redistributable Linux distro and install that too and the user can have a working machine in minutes, even if they opt to not spend money on Vista. Initialization of the machine can automatically remove the space consumed by either, based on the user's choice.

    I kinda doubt Microsoft would allow such competition, though... but it seems a reasonable objective to combat such restrictions based on an anti-trust lawsuit.

  17. Footprint vs. Thickness by setirw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm personally not a fan of ultraportable laptops with the footprints of ordinary laptops. If a laptop is going to be minimalistic, its manufacturer ought to go all the way. A subnotebook will never replicate the functionality of a typical 14" computer, so it's pointless to give it the footprint of one. I'd much rather see a diminished footprint than a minuscule thickness. I would personally prefer an updated version of my Thinkpad S30 than this MacBook Air competitor.

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  18. Figures by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is it every time you buy a new piece of hardware, the next day something cooler is announced? :)

    I've owned various thinkpads since '98, and they have never let me down. I'm currently running a t21 (850mhz, 14.1" 1400x1050, 512mb) that's suffering from case fatigue. I bought it almost 7 years ago, and it's been running the same Debian/sid install the entire time. I use it for at least 6-8 hours a day (home machine) in all kinds of awkward positions (laying down, on the easy chair, etc)... it's travelled around the world, and to many a datacenter.

    I did have to deal with IBM service once. At one point in 2003, I sent it to IBM (their cost) with what I believed to be a bad hard disk (I/O errors). After they ripped it open, they told that I'd spilled coffee in it.... I was quite upset at this as I didn't believe them, so they sent me pictures. At some point, probably while it was on the floor (I really abuse my machines), I must have kicked over a mostly empty cup of coffee or something.

    After apologizing to them in a phone call, they explained to me that they didn't find anything immediately wrong with it at that point (it was booting), except the coffee spill. I told them about the I/O errors, and they ran a thorough scan, confirming the problem. Because the coffee was unlikely to have caused a disk failure, they offered to replace the drive, but after doing so, found that the problem persisted. It was the controller (or connector)... and, to my astonishment, I received an email later that day along the lines of: "Sir, we just need to get you back up and running. You're a long-time valued customer, so we're going to replace whatever parts need to be replaced."

    3 days later, an express shipped package arrived with what used to be my laptop - 90% of the components had been replaced (except, amazingly, the original hard drive, which was fine). I was floored, and wrote a quick thank you note to the CSR's boss.

    Here I am, 5 years later, with the same machine chugging away. I can't even hazard a guess to how many hours it has on it. It's starting to make funny noises, and 850mhz just ain't cuttin it anymore. :) Time for a new box.

    While I did take a good look at various others (dell, hp, acer) - some of which less than half the price - I eventually settled on a refurbished t43p (2.13ghz, 2gb ram, 1400x1050). I want the trackpoint, and 3 mouse buttons. I want the rigid case. I want the support (we'll see how Lenovo does) and I want the well tested, mature components (particularly for Linux). Can't wait!

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    1. Re:Figures by darjen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I never used to be all that big on Thinkpads until I started to work for a consulting firm that's a partner of IBM. They give all their employees Thinkpads to work on. I started off with a T43, and they recently upgraded me to a T60. I have to say, they have grown on me quite a bit since I started using them. My only gripe is the models I've had only use a 4200 rpm hard drive. My personal laptop, and Asus model purchased about 3 years ago, still has its original 7200rpm drive... makes quite a noticeable difference. I even used to think these things are ugly, but even the looks have grown on me. I'll probably be working at this place for awhile, but I might have go get me a Thinkpad for myself if I ever get a new job.

  19. What you've all missed so far... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is that it has both GPS and WIMAX on board. That is what makes it a more interesting and forward looking design than Mac Air. Physically, it's boring. The cornucopia of ports is boring. Laptops have these things. It looks so like every other Lenovo laptop that there's nothing 'must have' about the appearance. But I am convinced that the next killer application will be location sensitive and require ubiquitous mobile connectivity. WiFi doesn't have it and 3G isn't very fast.

    Steve Jobs isn't going to lie awake tonight kicking himself because Lenovo have brought out yet another dull black corporate laptop. He's going to be kicking himself about the GPS and the WIMAX.

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  20. I want something cheaper! by crhylove · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For everything I want to do:\

    Firefox
    Watch Movies
    Skype
    Urban Terror
    Audacity
    Thunderbird
    Abiword
    Civilization 2
    Burn CDs
    Play mp3s

    That system is overkill. Don't get me wrong, extra horse power is always a good thing, but aside from burning a cd, a EEE will do everything I want and (I'm sure) is much cheaper and smaller, and easy to carry. I'd like to see more competition in the ultra cheap department, once I can get something of EEE functionality for $150, I'll be considering lots of extra fun little projects.

    I mean, other than running Vista (why would you do that to yourself, anyway?), is there a point to spending more for that much horse power? Ubuntu runs well on a pentium 3 and does 99% of what most people need!!!

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  21. Re:This thing is huge! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    for reference, the MacBook is 123 cubic inches (1.08 x 12.78 x 8.92), making it about 30% bigger than this machine. Interestingly, it weighs twice as much, so the ThinkPad must have a lot more airspace inside.

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  22. Optical Drive? by toppavak · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised nobody mentioned that this apparently has a DVD-RW built-in. That makes it, in something a little thicker than the Air, less weight, a swappable battery, an optical drive and a heck of a lot more ports.

  23. SSD not ideal by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

    If we get out of the realm of special purpose laptops, I don't think the current low cost SSDs are up to snuff. Try working off a fast thumb drive if you don't believe me. There's good points and bad points but the bad point is very bad: very slooow write times. Finding the information is great, getting into the SSD (and to a lesser degree getting it out) is not so great.

    It's not that I'm against SSDs, but I'd prefer to have both flash and regular hard disk, or a hybrid disk. I've been experimenting with fast thumb drives and CF cards up to 166x, which is rated just like a CD-ROM drive: 1x = 150kb/second, so 166x is 24 MiB/sec. You can go higher form more $$$, maybe 40 MiB/s? Not shabby for flash, but orders of magnitude below a cheap hard drive.

    I'm considering going with a SSD for booting and most static data, a nice hunk of RAM with 64 bit linux to avoid much swapping, then a very modest hard disk for thing where there's a writing, including swap space. Why wear out your flash drive to experience frustration.

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  24. Damn right. by goldcd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The appeal of the Thinkpad (to me at least) is the complete lack of any gimmicky styling. It looks like a thinkpad. My thinkpad from 5 years ago looks like a thinkpad and the one I buy in 5 years will also just look like an f'in thinkpad.
    Also I love the 'nipple' pointer. So much nicer to use than a trackpad (although mysteriously I find myself in a greater minority on this every day). If I want to move the cursor across the screen, it's easier/faster and doesn't leave me pawing away like a cat at a window.

  25. No way Jose by Schmool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is no part of the MacBook Air where 0.6 or 0.7 of anything will fit, no matter the width. Remember, the MacBook Air is 0.16 to 0.76 inch thick, including the screen. I measured the base, the thickest it gets is 0.35 inch, near the hinge. On both sides of the computer these spots are already taken; on the left by the power connector, and on the right by micro-DVI, minijack and USB.

    By the way, MacBook Air doesn't want to be your next "dull work notebook" or "corporate workhorse". The MBA is a computer for people with smooth hands. If you need a tricked out notebook meant as desktop replacement, try the MacBook Pro. Just don't compare that ThinkPad to a MacBook. The MacBook is a $1100 consumer laptop, the ThinkPad X61 is a $2000 mammoth tanker.