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Court Says You Can Copyright a Cease-And-Desist Letter

TechDirt has a follow up to a case they covered back in October where a law firm was trying to claim a copyright on the cease-and-desist letters they sent out. Public Citizen poked a number of holes in this claim and invited the lawyers to "try it." Well, unfortunately the lawyers decided to bite and what's more, they actually got a judge to buy it. The news was announced by the victorious lawyer who now claims he can sue anytime someone posts one of his cease-and-desist letters. "The copyrighting of cease-and-desist letters is an easy way for law firms to bully small companies who have committed no wrong, but who have no real recourse to fight back against an attempt to shut them up via legal threat. Until today, many companies who were being unfairly attacked by companies and law firms misusing cease-and-desist letters to prevent opinions from being stated, had a reasonable recourse to such attacks, and could draw attention to law firms that used such bullying tactics to mute any criticism."

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  1. not as important as summary makes out by joss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The actual text maybe copyrightable, but one still has fair use, one can excerp bits and rewrite other parts. This ruling does not stop people drawing attention to the fac that they are being bullied. It's daft but its not fatal.

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    1. Re:not as important as summary makes out by Homology · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The actual text maybe copyrightable, but one still has fair use, one can excerp bits and rewrite other parts. This ruling does not stop people drawing attention to the fac that they are being bullied. It's daft but its not fatal.

      But it surely will make the bullied thinking about even quoting pieces of the cease-and-desist-letter since who will decide what is fair use? Perhaps the bullied will be bullied with another cease-and-desist letter?

    2. Re:not as important as summary makes out by Lavene · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Disclaimer: I'm not a US citizen.
      If I get something in the mail I have not asked for I can do what ever I bloody want with it. No one can send me a letter then claim some 'rights' to it? I have not accepted any license or whatever as I do when I actively acquire something like a book or a CD. Of course, if they put an EULA on the envelope saying "By opening this seal..." they give me the option to not read it and hence as a legal notice it would fail.

      I guess this is one of those "Only in the USA" kind of things...

    3. Re:not as important as summary makes out by xk0der · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Can I like, not open the cease-and-desist letter and tell the judge that since I didn't open the letter so that I do not violate copyright? Reason being, I too write such letters, and since I didn't opened the letter, I have the right not to "cease-and-desist"? Since I can never know what is inside the letter, and I really do not want to know, so that my creativity and originality while writing such letter is not affected (corrupted?)? .. I'm exempted, am I?

      Court orders and judgments too should be copyrighted, any other judge, if he/she is not creative enough to craft his own flowery words for the judgment should be tried for copy-right violations!

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    4. Re:not as important as summary makes out by fastest+fascist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately, copyright in it's base form isn't negotiated on a case-by-case basis. If someone sends you an unsolicited copy of a copyrighted piece, whatever that may be, that doesn't give you the legal right to make new copies. So whether or not you asked to be sent the material in question has no bearing on the matter. Lastly, IANAL.

    5. Re:not as important as summary makes out by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shakespeare had it right ...

      The biggest impediment to justice is lawyers. Too often, even if you win, you lose, and the only real winners are the lawyers for both sides.

      As for their copyright claim - screw that too - post the notices on a server outside the US - problem solved.

      What next - a claim that a hold-up note or a written death threat is copyrighted? Or an oral death threat, or even a murder in front of a crowd - since it meets the "public performance" criteria?

      Lawyers like to compare themselves to professionals like doctors or nurses - in polls, the public rates lawyers ethics and honesty closer to used-car salesmen, and lawyers have only themselves to blame.

      You want justice? Fire your lawyer - paying a lawyer is, in most cases, like feeding a cockroach. It just encourages them. Argue your case yourself. You're fucking some lawyer out of $$$ (since you didn't hire them), and the other side can no longer use the "they'll settle out of court since it will be cheaper than litigating the case."

      And before someone says "that doesn't work" - I'm doing it right now. Idiot ex trying to claim $70,000.00 from me, her lawyer "let it be known" that they'd like an offer to settle out of court for "just a few grand", and my response - in court, at the last hearing - was "Not a penny." I argued for a 2-day trial on the merits, and her lawyer started complaining about the additional burden a 2-day trial will be to his client (awww ... whe'll have to spend another $5k on top of what she's wasted already).

      Trying to get people to "settle out of court" over bogus claims is just legalized blackmail. The sooner we all help each other exercise our rights to argue our own cases, the sooner bullshit like this ends.

    6. Re:not as important as summary makes out by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's exactly what is wrong with our legal system. Your arguments make perfect sense, the premises are valid, and yet the conclusion is unfair. If someone sends me a threatening letter, I should be able to make the threat public in order to get help for myself. That's just common sense. There is sometimes a tension between being a nation of laws and knowing when the law is insufficient to mete out justice. Lawyers and judges never understand that there needs to be some slop in the system and if the system won't provide it then people MUST create it by just working outside the system.

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    7. Re:not as important as summary makes out by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lawyers like to compare themselves to professionals like doctors or nurses - in polls, the public rates lawyers ethics and honesty closer to used-car salesmen, and lawyers have only themselves to blame.

      Funny, that. I was thinking of some other kind of professionals.

      You know, the ones that would do just about anything for money, and if you feel dirty afterwards, well, that's your problem.

      What are they called... prot... prost... ah, yes: politicians.

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    8. Re:not as important as summary makes out by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is also my thinking.

      The penalty for "privatizing" a document is that it cannot be made part of a "Due Process" which the constitution requires to be open.
      Only a judge can "Seal" official court documents.

      If they want a "secret justice process" they should get a prior restraining order sealing the process, but they need meaningful cause.

      This decision should be overturned. more specifically, the company should get a ruling that a "secret demand" is inconsistent with due process, and therefore constitutes an "unlawful threat".

      The great tradition of law in the west is openness. If Rosa Parks cannot tell anyone she was thrown off a bus for sitting, there could be no Birmingham bus boycott.

      In a very real sense, the attempt here is to throw someone off the bus, while avoiding the public outrage at the injustice.
      This is the worst ruling I've heard of this morning.

      AIK

    9. Re:not as important as summary makes out by boris111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You want justice? Fire your lawyer - paying a lawyer is, in most cases, like feeding a cockroach.

      As much as I want to agree with that statement... Many of our local governments are set up so it's impossible to not use one. My friends were having an amicable divorce. No disputes, no kids, they just wanted to break it off. So they followed all the rules.. researched all the paperwork required... filled out all the paperwork. All this with no help from the grouchy county employees at the court house. So they went it alone. Guess what they omitted one thing on their paperwork and they have to start the whole process over again and they're out $600. The system is set up in my county so you MUST have a lawyer to get divorced. They were even told by the grouchy civil servants that that it would be stupid not to get a lawyer.

      They're dishing out the $1400 this second time for a lawyer. They don't have to do ANYTHING now. They just want to move on with their lives at this point so they gave up and paid that cockroach.

      There is one good trend I'm hearing from the nearest major city Philly. People are actually encouraged to not get lawyers for their divorce and there is gov't programs for legal advice to make your paperwork go smoothly.
    10. Re:not as important as summary makes out by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simple solution - have them post the step-by-step of what they have to do, including the jurisdiction and the "gotcha", to help save others the same pain. I'll gladly host the information.

    11. Re:not as important as summary makes out by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The lawyers are claiming rights specific to the DMCA - that doesn't hold under Berne. You can't "export" the DMCA to other countries that are limited to the Berne Convention.

    12. Re:not as important as summary makes out by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Technically, cease and desist letters - "are" - part of due process.
      By definition, the power of a C&D letter is the rights which they bring to a later copyright infringement suit.
      In summary, IIRC, "Malice" can be implied where a C&D letter has been sent and ignored, this allows for "Punitive" damages in addition to "Real" damages.

    13. Re:not as important as summary makes out by Christoph · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If someone sends me a threatening letter, I should be able to make the threat public in order to get help for myself. That's just common sense.

      You still can. This ruling only states that if such a letter is posted anonymously, there enough teeth in copyright law to require disclosure of the poster's identity. If there is a proper lawsuit subsequently filed, you are still entitled to a "fair use" defense, as well as a "free speech" defense, and whatever else.

      The underlying concern is that someone can sue you for posting a cease-and-desist letter, not that they will necessarily win. But you can be sued for anything at any time, as there are virtually no checks against baseless lawsuits.

      I was sued for defamation when I blogged that a photo published by a corporation belonged to me, and they used it without permission. In their lawsuit, they said it was really taken by "Michael Zubitskiy". Well, there is no such person. I was sued in Oct. of 2005, had a federal trial in Nov. 2007 (represented myself), and I'm currently waiting for the judge's verdict (it was a bench trial). In 2 years and 4 months, the courts have still not ruled that this non-existent person doesn't exist (there has never been any evidence he's real). They added claims against me for trademark infringement and unjust enrichment (I won on summary judgment). They further claimed allowing visitors to post critical comments on my website was "tortuous interference with prospective contractual relations", and despite the DMCA safe harbor this claim went to trial. I'm waiting for the court's ruling and while I assume I'll prevail the fact remains you can be sued for anything.

      This is the system we have, and if you have the guts to exercise your rights in a meaningful way against others with more power than you, they may misuse the legal system to retaliate against you. This is not new, but we are seeing more if it as the internet has empowered people to exercise their free speech rights in meaningful ways. On one level, this increase in abusive (SLAPP) lawsuits shows people are finding their voice.

    14. Re:not as important as summary makes out by dffuller · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, I thought you were going to say software consultants.

    15. Re:not as important as summary makes out by TechForensics · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The actual text maybe copyrightable, but one still has fair use, one can excerp bits and rewrite other parts. This ruling does not stop people drawing attention to the fac that they are being bullied. It's daft but its not fatal.

      Hi, I'm a U.S. lawyer and I agree with you. (How often have you heard that?)

      Besides, there is an absolute safe harbor for persons wishing to post about scams online. Truth is a defense to libel. And for that matter, to slander per se. Just be sure what you post is the truth, and they can't touch you. They might sue, of course, but it would be the kind of case that could be dismissed on affidavits and summary judgment. And, with judicious use of Requests for Admission, you might even make the pay them cost of proving true things they failed to admit. It's speculative to say so, but you might even get attorneys' fees and sanctions for filing a frivolous lawsuit or pleading. (Don't trust this as legal advice, of course.)

      The important teaching of this decision is that sites which ENCOURAGE the posting of "scams" rather than simply soliciting the posting of stories about the subject, be they good or bad, do meet the legal test for defamation. Perhaps this is how it should be; or you might think so if your small business were attacked with lies and attempts to mobilize the blogosphere.

      Now before the negative mod points come whistling in like mortar rounds, let me say I'm all in favor of using the Net to expose scams, and doing so should be free from repercussions. But you know, that's the way it IS, right now. Just tell the truth and don't say "Company X is a sleaze, submit your stories to prove it". Is it much different, or less satisfactory, to say "In the interest of performing a public service for our readership, we invite you to post comments, good or bad, about the business practices of Company X"? Because you can do that. (Though only the foolish would rely on an internet post such as this one.)

      And for God's sake, don't serve ads for competitors of Company X, or suggest your blog will dissipate into the blogosphere if you get paid. You CAN use the net for People Power with very few accommodations to law.

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    16. Re:not as important as summary makes out by greenbird · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The actual text maybe copyrightable, but one still has fair use, one can excerp bits and rewrite other parts. This ruling does not stop people drawing attention to the fac that they are being bullied. It's daft but its not fatal.

      I think everyone's missing the key point here. Neither you nor your lawyers can make any form of copy of the material or even read it out loud (that's a performance). For that matter the court can't either. The idiocy here has nothing to do with publishing the material, you can't even use it to defend yourself in court with this ruling. Fair use doesn't cover making copies for your lawyer. It certainly doesn't cover making the material part of the public record in a court case.

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    17. Re:not as important as summary makes out by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is SO bullshit. Lawyers have been trying to re-interpret Shakespeare, but it doesn't make sense. Try this on for size. Only a lawyer would even try to make this into a defense of lawyers, and expect people to actually swallow it,

      Lawyers are an impediment to justice. BTW, the examples you quote were CREATED by lawyers. People should be able to appeal directly to judges, without the rigamorole that lawyers love to use to intermediate themselves between you and the law.

      Habeus corpus wasn't created by lawyers - it was a judge who "read in" the requirement. An olden time equivalent to today's "activist judges" that the government so hates.

      If you want a real legal opinion, don't ask a lawyer - ask a judge. Lawyers opinions are like assholes - they've all got one, and at least half the time its full of shit, and the judge tells them so.

      The fact that you and I can type our various opinions without fear of having our words erased and ourselves imprisoned without trial is because there would be a lawyer there to fight for us.
      Yeah, right - why should it be limited to lawyers? Why shouldn't you or I be able to fight if someone is unlawfully imprisoned? Oh, right - we CAN. And we don't need a lawyer to do it for us. They don't have some magic lawyer pixie dust that give them powers greater than any other citizen.

      Those lawyers really helped bring that war criminal Bush to justice, didn't they? Not! - it wasn't in their "best interests", I guess. How about those illegal wire taps and phone intercepts? Lawyers did a real good number stopping them! Riiiight ....

      We're more dependent on the media than lawyers when it comes to exposing wrong and preserving our rights. Problem is, "news" produced by FAX or CNN is usually so ingratiating to the administration, you wonder how they managed to get the shit stains off their noses before going on camera.

  2. Turn the tables? by ThreeGigs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So does this sword cut two ways?

    Can I send 40 different versions of cease and desist letters to the US Copyright office and then sue any law firm that uses one that looks a bit too similar to one of mine?

    Is an infringing cease and desist letter still valid?

    Is "Copyright Troll" going to be a new buzzphrase?

    Methinks this ruling will open up cans of worms the likes of which have never been seen, especially once the model is applied to the hundreds of legal documents that are basically boilerplate versions of each other (think leases, EULAs, credit agreements, and divorce documents for starters).

    1. Re:Turn the tables? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dude, when I get my patent on the Roman alphabet approved, you guys are so baked.

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    2. Re:Turn the tables? by budgenator · · Score: 3, Funny
      Now that would be interesting,
      1. get copies of the lawyers boilerplate
      2. insert your business/personal name address instead of Dozier Internet Law ect.
      3. Register with Copyright office
      4. every time they send you a C&D letter, you send one back
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    3. Re:Turn the tables? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's only copyright if it's copied, not if there are coincidental similarities between two works. If you can prove that the cease and desist letters were copied off one of your 40, then I guess this lays the precedent. Anyway, even if I'm mistaken, the sword would cut the first way back at you, because if the field of cease and desist letters is as narrow as you think, chances are that many of your 40 cease and desist letters would be infringing on other previous letters.

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  3. Re:yes by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Funny

    You will both be hearing from my legal team, as I have in fact already copyrighted both first and second posts. Oddly enough, we skipped 3 and went straight to 5.

  4. More to the point... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... can you copyright a gallon of petrol through the law firm's letterbox?

    1. Re:More to the point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mod parent +1 Inciteful.

  5. This says a lot by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US District Court for the District of Idaho has found that copyright law protects a lawyer demand letter...

    That figures. Idaho potato rule: If they're big enough, they're old enough. It could only be less surprising if the ruling had originated in Utah.

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    1. Re:This says a lot by hazem · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whenever these discussions come up I always think of my beset friend who lives in Kentucky. Below is the text of an actual resolution submitted in their House of Representatives.


      A RESOLUTION encouraging the purchase and vigorous use of the USS Louisville 688 VLS Class submarine.

      WHEREAS, in the past few years the scourge of the casino riverboat has been an increasingly significant presence on the Ohio River; and

      WHEREAS, the Ohio River borders the Commonwealth of Kentucky; and

      WHEREAS, the siren song of payola issuing from the discordant calliopes of these gambling vessels has led thousands of Kentucky citizens to vast disappointment and woe; and

      WHEREAS, no good can come to the citizens of Kentucky hypnotized from the siren song issuing from these casino riverboats, the engines of which are fired by the hard-earned dollars lost from Kentucky citizens;

      NOW, THEREFORE,
      Be it resolved by the House of Representatives of the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Kentucky:

      Section 1. The House of Representatives does hereby encourage the formation of the Kentucky Navy and subsequently immediately encourages the purchase and armament of one particularly effective submarine, namely, the USS Louisville 688 VLS Class Submarine, to patrol the portion of the Ohio River under the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth to engage and destroy any casino riverboats that the submarine may encounter.

      Section 2. The House of Representatives does hereby authorize the notification of the casino riverboat consulate of this Resolution and impending whoopin' so that they may remove their casino vessels to friendlier waters.


      I think I would vote for any bill or resolution that has the phrase "impending whoopin'" in it.

  6. From the judgement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone should familiarize themselves with the judgement. It's pretty amazing. Here are some choice bits... oh, assuming the judge didn't copyright it. Fair use should apply.

    To qualify for copyright protection, a work must be original to the author. Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Serv. Co., 499 U.S. 340, 345 (1991). Original means that the work was independently created by the author and possesses some minimal degree of creativity.

    Can someone share w/me the "minimal degree of creativity" involved in writing a cease and desist letter, which is not (typically) a form of artistic expression in any way?

    If the cease and desist letter were in haiku form, maybe. If it were sung to music, perhaps. But if its purpose is strictly as a utility and legal document, then where is the creative component?

    The required level of creativity is extremely low; the work must "possess some creative spark, 'no matter how crude, humble or obvious' it might be." Id. (internal citations omitted). Copyright protection does not extend to facts or ideas. Wright v. Warner Books, Inc., 953 F.2d 731, 735 (2d Cir. 1991).

    So? What is that creative spark?

    17 U.S.C. Section 102(b). 43SB asserts that the Sheppard Letter is essentially a work detailing a process for the owner of the Website to follow in taking down remarks made about Melaleuca and its CEO.

    What is the creative component of "take this off your website?" If merely offering such a "process" is the creative spark, then might I suggest it is in the public domain? And if not, surely it is a derivative of the works of others...

    Besides, isn't' the area of intellectual "property" generally covering "methods" patent law, not copyright law?

    I can't wait for people to issue takedown letters on takedown letters on takedown letters. In fact, I would like to now and forever establish as prior art (and creative spark) my work entitled the recursive cease-and-desist letter!

    "The recipient of this takedown notice is hereby ordered to take this very take-down notice from your Web site immediately."

    See, it really is creative expression: An expression of irony and disgust.

    1. Re:From the judgement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "The recipient of this takedown notice is hereby ordered to take this very take-down notice from your Web site immediately."

      "The recipient of this takedown notice is hereby ordered to take down this very take-down notice from your Web site immediately."

      Fixed it. Now it's good to go.

    2. Re:From the judgement... by S.O.B. · · Score: 4, Insightful
      From the U.S. Constitution:

      To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.


      How is a cease and desist letter related in any way to "Science and useful Arts"?

      I think that Idaho judge has smoked too many potatoes.
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    3. Re:From the judgement... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is a cease and desist letter related in any way to "Science and useful Arts"?

      It's a literary work, albeit not much of one. So it falls under science (which, in the late 18th century English of the clause, roughly means 'general knowledge' as opposed to the useful arts, which roughly means 'applied technology').

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    4. Re:From the judgement... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Informative

      Britney Spears is neither science nor an art; she's a person. Her music would fall under science; that it's bad music doesn't matter, since we don't want the government protecting or not protecting works based on their artistic taste.

      Cooking is a useful art, and recipes can be patented if they meet the requirements of a patent. This does occur from time to time -- there's a patent for a peculiar kind of peanut butter and jelly sandwich, IIRC -- but often recipes lack novelty or nonobviousness, or the inventor doesn't bother getting a patent. The written expression of a recipe -- as opposed to the process for cooking that the recipe describes -- is copyrightable if sufficiently creative. But anyone could copy the process and reword it, and where the wording was not creative or original (e.g. "Pre-heat oven to 350 degrees") that wouldn't be protected at all. The difficulty in writing succinct, clear, copyrightable recipes is such that most people don't bother.

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  7. Like I want to read all of that lawyer speak by samuel4242 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) Scan it.
    2) Blur 90% of the text.
    3) Post it.
    4) Build a headline from the nastiest sentence.
    5) Decide whether you're going to fight or switch.
    6) Move on.

  8. Does this also mean by Travoltus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I send a nasty email to someone and declare it copyrighted, they can't distribute it?

    I say that because of a recent story about a guy who sent a girl a mean email and she published it on her blog and he received death threats in response...

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  9. FYI by fred911 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the C&D that was decisioned. They haven't managed to take this down. Then again, it's now part of the public record.

    http://www.citizen.org/documents/directbuycd.pdf

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  10. Public Citizen Is a Fringe Operation by samuel4242 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I respect Public Citizen and I'm glad they're out there fighting the good fight, but I would never rely on their legal judgement alone. I've been in conversations with some of the lawyers there and they were obsessed with finding a way to "prove" that practically any P2P use is "fair use". At some point, making copies is just making copies for losers who won't pay because they're too cheap. Sure, there are great cases with handicapped kids, but the folks I spoke with at Public Citizen seemed obsessed with finding some legal justification for how making 40,000 copies for your closest and most personal friends was some how "fair". It ain't gonna happen folks.

    If you get into trouble and your bottom is on the line, make sure you get a lawyer with enough political sense to figure out how everyone thinks about the case. Not just the dreamers of the techno-utopia who believe that somehow everyone is going post all of their work for free and the farmers and carpenters will be so inspired that they'll just build us McMansions and fill the fridge with steaks.

  11. Court did not rule on copyright issue by nameer · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the ruling :

    Under the DMCA, the copyright holder need only plead a prima facie case of copyright infringement. In re: Verizon Internet Servs., Inc., 257 F. Supp. 2d 244, 263 (D.D.C. 2003). A certificate of registration of a copyright constitutes prima facie evidence of the validity of the copyright and facts stated in the certificate. 17 U.S.C. Section 410(c). Melaleuca has registered the Sheppard Letter with the Copyright Office. See Supplemental Filing Re: Copyright Registration Certificate for Sheppard Letter, Ex. 1 (Docket No. 18-2). This is prima facie evidence that the Sheppard Letter is copyrighted and satisfies the first prong of demonstrating a prima facie case of copyright infringement. 43SB has valid arguments and enforcing this subpoena pre-litigation may have far-reaching consequences, therefore some preliminary examination of the potential claim is necessary. However, the Court will not go into an in-depth analysis of the merits of a copyright infringement claim in determining whether to quash this subpoena. It is sufficient in this instance that Melaleuca has registered the Sheppard Letter with the Copyright Office.
    All the court said is that the prima facie evidence exists to let the subpoena stand for the simple reason that the slimy law firm registered the copyright of the letter. However, the court acknowledges that the defendant has "valid arguments" on their claim that the letter cannot be copyrighted. The court simply says that the analysis of those claims is beyond the scope of determining to quash the subpoena, and the prima facie case is sufficient to let the subpoena stand. As I see it, the defendant will now have to go to court and challenge the copyright directly instead of the validity of the subpoena. Of course, this is /., and I am not a lawyer.
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  12. The point of copyright by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... I think it was lost among some in law enforcement a long time ago.
    Do some lawyers, and apparently some judges, even remember why copyrights exist anymore?

    Copyrights are there to among other things let the copyright holder be credited for the work and benefit financially from the work through being an exclusive distributor of the work.

    So a big WTF at this.

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    1. Re:The point of copyright by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Copyright exists to promote the sciences and the useful arts. And to answer your question, yes, most everyone has forgotten this, if they ever knew.

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    2. Re:The point of copyright by Homology · · Score: 3, Informative

      Copyright exists to promote the sciences and the useful arts. And to answer your question, yes, most everyone has forgotten this, if they ever knew.

      Indeed, it also a time limited monopoly not intended to last to the end of days, even though some American corporations tries to make it that way. One of the reason it is a time limited monopoly is in recognition of the fact that science and art is not done in a vacuum but builds upon work and ideas of others.

  13. Infinite monkeys Inc by ThePilgrim · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sir,

    I represent Infinite monkeys Inc. As you may be aware our company has bean attempting to recreate the complete Works of Shakespeare.Unfortunately we are still several melenia away from the conclusion of this project.

    However our research has turned up all variations on Cease-and-Desist letters. And therefor we claim copyright on all such works.

    Yours

    Lord High Peanut Counter

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  14. A Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As an aficionado and longtime aesthetic critic of the cease-and-desist oeuvre, I have only a few moments to offer my review of this stirring and emotionally riveting form of creative mastery.

    In the work's opening, we are introduced to the main characters, along with two settings (Virginia and Arizona) and a modern time period to help orient the reader. I was particular moved by the bold, overly-large font that portrayed (to your humble reviewer) the confidence and professionalism of our protagonist, especially when contrasted with the smaller left-justified (bravo!) intro that followed (no spoilers here!). The pure wit and joy I experienced by the artist's inclusion of a (purely tongue-in-cheek, I assume) disclaimer that this artistic work is only intended "for negotiation and settlement purposes" is difficult to communicate, but suffice it to say that by the third or fourth paragraph I was dabbing tears of pure joy from my cheeks with a handkerchief. Kudos!

    The backstory that followed was a bit dry for my taste, but it was over quickly and followed by a riveting bulletpointed list of accusations that had me on the edge of my seat.

    My friends, I do not want to spoil any of the chills and surprises that await, but do not pass up on your chance to experience this instant classic-- that is, before it's followed by the inevitable movie version.

  15. Satire is still fair use: by olddoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't post the actual letter. Post your version of it that makes fun of the letter.
    Make it horrible: "We will send hit men to your home and torture your family to death"
    If the law firm protests about your "satire" let them show the real letter to prove the satire is unfair.

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  16. Why not... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... copyright your name and contact info? Anyone you don't want contacting you would then be subject to legal action if they don't destroy their unauthorized copies. Their ability to continue further contact could be enough to prove they have not complied.

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  17. Re:The Pirate Bay legal page by mmcuh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, of course. Assuming that Swedish courts care one bit about US precedents.

  18. Overrule-able? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The judge might be over-ruled by a higher court, that takes into account that generic cease-and-desist letters have existed for many years, and the basic form is public-domain, and a copyrighted work is not supposed to be a major plagiarism of someone else's work. It's supposed to have a significant amount of original material in it. While modern DMCA cease-and-desist letters certainly fall within the period before copyright expires, they are mostly very likely to be plagiarisms of far older letters on other subjects.

  19. This is not as important as the summary makes out. by spiritraveller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is not a decision approving the tactics of law firms that try to silence people that they sue (though it may have that temporary effect).

    The only issue here was whether to quash the subpoena to identify the person who posted the C&D letter. All you have to show to support such a subpoena is a prima facie case. That means that you only have to show that you have met the initial elements of your claim. Meaning that they posted something and it was your copyrighted work.

    The question of whether this is Fair Use (and I can't imagine that it wouldn't be) has not been decided. That's not part of the prima facie case of copyright infringement, rather, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant must raise and argue.

    Really, the judge should have taken note of the First Amendment implications of all this and quashed the subpoena anyway.... I mean, really.

    The Defendant will now have to litigate the case, but if he wins, the "precedent" will be just as persuasive, if not more.

  20. Re:With rulings like this... by conlaw · · Score: 5, Informative
    First off, let me state that I am an inactive (retired) lawyer so that nothing I say here is legal advice. However, I really enjoy researching a topic like this, so I'll share a few little bits of information I discovered from reading the U.S. Code and a few other publications from the Copyright Office (www.copyright.gov).

    The ruling that a letter can be copyrightable is nothing new.

    In order to claim copyright in a work, the author must give the proper notice as required under Chapter 17, Section 401 of the US Code. This section requires that the work must contain either the word "copyright" or the (c) symbol, followed by the year of publication and the name of the entity claiming the copyright. If the letter published on the Public Citizen website is complete, this information is missing.

    Even though Mr. Dozier's press release mentions all of the possible penalties for the infringement of his firm's copyright, they seem to have forgotten Chapter 17, Section 412 of the US Code. That section includes a rule that neither statutory damages nor attorneys fees are available remedies unless the entity claiming copyright has followed Section 407 which requires mandatory deposit of two copies of the work with the Copyright Office within three months after it was initially published. Since the letter was apparently sent on October 5, 2007, the time for this mandatory deposit ran out three weeks ago.

    Having said all that, I'll agree that the rich and powerful seem to be using the law to stomp on the rights of the average citizen. However, I don't think that the answer is bloodshed; try contributing to groups like Public Citizen and the Electronic Frontier Foundation who are trying to protect our rights.

  21. Re:With rulings like this... by DustyShadow · · Score: 4, Informative

    This section requires that the work must contain either the word "copyright" or the (c) symbol, followed by the year of publication and the name of the entity claiming the copyright. If the letter published on the Public Citizen website is complete, this information is missing. Incorrect. Notice has not been required since March 1, 1989, the effective date of the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988. This is shown in 17 USC 401(a) where the word "shall" was changed to "may":

    17 U.S.C. 401(a) General Provisions.-- Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. There is still a notice requirement, however, for some works created or published before 1989.
  22. Don't worry, it Conflicts with my patent by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry, I have a patent on "method for the prevention of public disclosure of cease and desist letters" in which I describe the use of copyright notices on said letters. I am issuing a cease and desist letter to this lawyer, who is infringing on my patent. The only reason you have not heard of this latest development is that my cease and desist order to him was copyrighted.

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  23. Politicians by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, the vast majority of them are lawyers.

  24. Re:With rulings like this... by CCMCornell · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't believe using the Copyright symbols and registering with a government office is required for copyright protection anymore - it's automatic as soon as you put pen to paper (or push record, whatever) by 1989's Berne Convention (according to Wikipedia's article on Copyright.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Obtaining_and_enforcing_copyright

    A FAQ on www.copyright.gov also mentions the automatic protection.

    http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork

  25. Nice, short summary of what was really decided by Fnord666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a nice, short summary of what was really decided by the judge in this case, which has almost nothing to do with what the linked article said was decided.

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  26. Re:With rulings like this... by conlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thanks to all of you who pointed out my error in failing to take the Berne Convention changes in my previous post. Having read the amended sections, it's now clear to me that the failure to give notice in the correct form does not deprive the author of "copyright protection." However, I didn't find anything that negates the rule set forth in Ch. 17, sec. 412, denying statutory damages and attorneys fees to a copyright holder who has not complied with the registration requirements.

  27. How does this promote the "useful arts"? by jordandeamattson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is clear this judge is failing to consider the framers intent in giving the Federal Government the power (one of its enumerated powers) to pass copyright and patent law:

    "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;"

    Constitution of the United States of America
    Article 1, Section 8

    The question I would pose to the appeals court would be how does allowing someone to copyright a cease and desist letter lead to the progress of science and useful arts?

    The clear answer is it does not.

    This should be the challenge to this decision.

    Cheers -

    Jordan

  28. Isn't this actually fraud? by pugugly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quick Question - There seems to me to be an inherent illegality here, maybe someone can explain why I'm wrong. If I'm not wrong, maybe someone can file a complaint with the copyright office? As a violation of federal law and a matter of defrauding the court, it seems to me that if this chain of logic holds, they could be disbarred for doing this.

    As I understand it,

    A) A lawyer, issuing a Cease and Desist letter, is operating as an Officer of the court;
          I don't know that I'm right on this, but it seems to be implied in everything I can find on it. Doesn't mean I'm right.

    B) An Officer of the court is also an Officer of the U.S. Government:
          Again, I'm not sure I'm right, but everything I can find referencing this in the law seems to indicate that yes, these are interchangeable terms.

    C) Documents created by people acting as Officers of the U.S. Government are not copyrightable.

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/17/chapters/1/sections/section_101.html
    "A "work of the United States Government" is a work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person's official duties."

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/17/chapters/1/sections/section_105.html
    "Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise."

    D) If A --> B --> C, it seems to me submitting a Cease and Desist letter for copyright is in fact defrauding the federal government. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/17/chapters/5/sections/section_506.html

    "(e) False Representation. - Any person who knowingly makes a false representation of a material fact in the application for copyright registration provided for by section 409, or in any written statement filed in connection with the application, shall be fined not more than $2,500."

    Presenting that copyright to the court would in turn be fraud of the court.

    Am I completely off base on this?

    Pug

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