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What the MPAA Still Isn't Telling Us

Scott Jaschik writes "An essay at the Inside Higher Ed site looks at the fallout from the MPAA's admission that its statistics on college student downloading were seriously wrong. Among the questions: What is the MPAA still holding back? Why isn't the MPAA changing its position on legislation? 'Perhaps the MPAA's press release acknowledging its "300 percent error" will set the stage for new, less rancorous private and public discussions about P2P piracy. Colleges and universities respect copyright; colleges and universities are engaged in serious efforts to inform and educate students about the importance of copyright. And MPAA and RIAA officials ... should acknowledge, respect and strongly support the continuing efforts of campus officials to address copyright issues, in part by ending the public posturing that portrays colleges and universities as dens of digital piracy.'"

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  1. Why download bootleg movies? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there's one thing I'd like to know about the P2P controversy, it's this: why would people bother to waste bandwidth and disk space downloading bootleg copies of most of the garbage that the MPAA (not to mention RIAA member labels) attempts to foist upon the public? If anything, the MPAA should be paying people to watch garbage like Meet the Spartans and Untraceable.

    1. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If anything, the MPAA should be paying people to watch garbage like Meet the Spartans and Untraceable.

      Well, this tells me one of three things:

      1. You don't watch movies at all, including those you just listed, and you are instead just spouting off about two recent movies because you read about what someone else said via some media source.

      2. You do go to the theater and watch movies and saw those two which you call "trash" and you are supporting the MPAA's campaign to subvert media outlets, higher educational institutions and families.

      3. You don't pay for these movies and instead pirate them and are just as much of a torrenter as anyone else that downloads stuff.

      So, which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it to you know.

    2. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Why? becausethe BluRAY and HDDVD discs I can buy are NOT IN HD on my HDTV. I have a HD set with component only and all HDDVD and BluRay players will NOT output HD on the component outputs if the "copy protection flag" is set on the disc... which it is on everything I touch.

      so my only choice is to violate the law by ripping the BluRay disc to remove the copy protection and play it on a media PC in HD.

      the MPAA has told a large number of us HDTV owners to go F ourselves. So we do what we can. Ps. a BluRAY disc compressed to a Divx-HD looks fantastic on my 1080i set and takes up very little space compared to the original movie file and the attached plethora of crap on the disc.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    3. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Otter · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, one might wonder why w4r3z kiddies whose lives, self-importance, and reason for living revolve around stolen Hollywood music and movies feel the need to insist on how horrible said music and movies are, and how they wish that the producers of said music and movies would go out of business leaving the field to the producers of freely-distributable crap in which the w4r3z kiddies don't have the slightest interest.

    4. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, you got me. It's number 2, but I didn't see those two. I saw Cloverfield instead. You're right: I want to see the MPAA contribute to the United States' march towards tyranny. The sooner we get there, the sooner we can get over it and go back to being the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    5. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      The w4r3z kiddies aren't worth my attention, since I am not one of them.

    6. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its because they know most of what they produce is shit. They know people wont buy most of the shit they produce on disc so sales are dropping. People need to enjoy a film to be motivated enough to watch it multiple times (and not just wait for their Tivo to pick it up). By shifting to a pay-per-view/listen model, they get you to pay even if you only see it or listen to it once. By blaming P2P for all their failings, they become the victim. Its only when they have the sympathy of congress and judges that they can begin to force the public into pay-per-view.

      The MPAA members lose a hell of a lot of money on most big films but hide it by shoving losses onto other films that aren't expected to make profits so they look good for investors & advertisers. If the money spent on making films went on better actors (not the stupidly overpaid ones) and the writers and not special effects you'd get much better films. The movie companies think that special effects and big stars will make any film look good and will make the industry itself look good. Writers and those who create the works are paid almost nothing compared to the greedy executives and those who stand in front of the camera and try to look pretty.

      In the case of the songwriters, they aren't motivated to create good music when most are just indentured servants who earn almost nothing from their creative work. Most of the money that is earned from the music/movie businesses goes to rich executives and not those who create the work. Why bother doing something good when you get the same wage for churning out mediocre drivel. This then requires the record companies to spend more and more on promotion and trying pushing the songs down everyone's throat.

    7. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by GuidoW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The sooner we get there, the sooner we can get over it and go back to being the land of the free and the home of the brave.

      You mean just like they did in China and North Korea?

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      If it's so secret, then how come I've never heard of it?
    8. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Why didn't you do your research and determine that the current inception of the HD goods are "infected" by the very problems you describe?

      Our household has not went with HD yet because of these glaring problems. We will go with HD when we have full access via component or dual-dvi ports, hdmi be damned.

      And, TV just isn't that important in our household. We watch about 4 series at most, along with some news. We're on the net more reading news and stuff.

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    9. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      So, the MPAA knows that most of their output is shit. I know it, and you know it. Chances are, everybody knows it. What I'm asking is this: if you know it's shit, why encourage them to squeeze out more of it by downloading it? Even if you download a bootleg copy, the MPAA can point to the downloaders and say, "See! There's a demand for our material; the little bastards just refuse to pay for it!" If it's trash, why not boycott the MPAA outright?

    10. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      If there's one thing I'd like to know about the P2P controversy, it's this: why would people bother to waste bandwidth and disk space downloading bootleg copies of most of the garbage that the MPAA (not to mention RIAA member labels) attempts to foist upon the public? If anything, the MPAA should be paying people to watch garbage like Meet the Spartans and Untraceable. The MPAA does have some redeeming content. The What the Bleep series is good example of this.
    11. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you are correct, 6 years ago when I bought my set I should have consulted a medium and a witch to determine what the outcome would be. Nothing predicts technology like chicken blood, coffee grounds and eggs mixed with the bone of a wild cat.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    12. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Pojut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are many AMAZING movies that have come out recently and have shown up in theaters. Thank You for Smoking, I Heart Huckabees, The Fountain, Eastern Promises, The Departed, Collateral, The Bourne Trilogy, Breach, The Kingdom, The Good Shepard, Lady In the Water, The Last King of Scotland, The Science of Sleep, Hotel Rwanda, Blake Snake Moan, A Scanner Darkly...

      All movies that have come out recently, all of them big-name movies, all of them rated by the MPAA, and all of them amazing.

      Not everything out there is crap. You just have to look a little.

    13. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by ivano · · Score: 1

      If they're anything like as bad as the first one then you've just proved that the MPAA has made no good movies. Did you really think that the movie, which pretty much got everything about quantum mechanics wrong, was a "good" movie?

    14. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Nothing beats the voice of experience.

      If you download everything, you are in a much better
      position to be aware of it and know enough to comment
      about it.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    15. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even if you are of average intelligence (which I assume that you are higher, considering where we are), the constant barrage of anti-copying and zoning "technology" should have made you weary on what to buy, regardless of chicken bones and coffee grounds.

      You know, past performance determines future behavior and all..

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    16. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I would love to see is some of the torrent sites (Or other P2P sites) Poll people downing movies as to why they didn't go see it in theaters or buy it on dvd. And publish them so the MPAA might start to realize just because a movie was downloaded 50K times it doesn't mean they lost 50K sales. a Poll might look like this.

      a) I am a Collage Student and my choice was not eat for an entire day so I could pay to see this movie.. or Download a crappy version off the internet.
      b) All the reviews said the movie was bad.. All my friends that saw the movie said it was bad.. I am curious if it was really that bad.. but not curious enough to shell out the price of a ticket.
      c) I'd pay to see this movie.. But not 10$ not 5$ maybe a couple bucks..
      d) I saw all the best parts of this movie in the trailer that available free on-line.. Why do I need to pay to see the crappy parts of the movie now?

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      Who needs WiFi when we can have Packet Over Sheep! http://datacomm.org/PoS-InternetDraft.txt
    17. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by morari · · Score: 1
      A Scanner Darkly was the only film on your list that I went to see in theaters. None of the theaters around here were showing it either, so I had to see it about one hundred miles away while visiting family. I'm selective about what I go to see in the theater, which usually amounts to one movie every year or two. And not just because of the outrageous prices, but the atmosphere as well. It bothers me to no end to hear people laugh at things that aren't funny or to gasp at things that aren't shocking. Let's not even get into the uncomfortable seating and murmurs that you can hear throughout. The only disappointment that strategy has brought me so far was The Village, which definitely was not worth paying to see. That said...

      Thank You for Smoking was alright, though devolved into the same cliche crap as you'd expect by the end.

      The Last King of Scotland was also alright, though proved yet again that not much happens in bio flicks. The acting was good though.

      The Departed was boring. You wouldn't even know about it had it not had a "big name" director" tied to it.

      The Bourne Identify was a big enough heap of garbage. No need to dive further into the series.

      Hotel Rwanda was boring and annoying. It's real hard to feel sorry for people that ignore problems and hope it'll go away, then try to bride and/or cower their way out of it later.

      A Scanner Darkly, however, was pretty good. Surprisingly the only accurate Philip K. Dick adaptation yet. I mean, Blade Runner is good, but hardly sticks close to the source. It did lack the sense of paranoia that the novel had however, opting to replace it with more of a druggie sense of humor throughout. The only big problem I had with it was that they found it necessary to beat the audience over the head with the ending, instead of going with something more subtle and thus more poignant. But, I guess they had to make sure every movie going moron out there "got" the not-quite twist. Oh, and I think that they could have used the rotoscoping to better effect, as the director had done in Waking Life.

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      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    18. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Therefore by your logic, I should not buy any TV set. none support the new HDMI 1.5 spec they are heavily pushing as it allows them to increase encryption complexity and capabilities. Also BluRay and HDDVD players are also a no buy technology as they will not work in 6 years when they come out with yet another replacement system.

      So you meant to say, stupid people buy things, as everything will be incompatable in one way or another. Just do not buy anything.

      Lumpy and the rest of the world had NO OPTION back then. you bought a set and it was cutting edge if it had DVI on it, 90% of all sets made had Component and some even had firewire as inputs and outputs. (mine can record to a firewire drive, that feature was dropped in a hurry from all sets as you could record the ATSC signal TS directly to a commodity hard drive.)

    19. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...

      You'd have to see the 'Quantum Rabbit Hole Extended Edition'. The first movie was greatly abbreviated and tried to smash too many things together all at once. It's also not a movie about quantum physics. Quantum physics is only one aspect of the movie. It covers a cross-section of topics and tries to fit them altogether.

      In either respect, both movies get quantum physics right -- it's just that not all of the movie is about quantum physics.

      If you really think you know more about quantum physics than these PhDs, some of whom are world-reknowned quantum physicists, then I think you'd probably better think again unless you're posting from CERN.

    20. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by morari · · Score: 1
      Oh, and The Fountain! How did I miss that one? That was, actually, one of the better films I've seen in quite a while. Darren Aronofsky continues to impress me with his efforts. I just wish I could persuade more people to watch it. Pan's Labyrinth came out about that time as well, which I also can't persuade anyone to borrow because they "don't want to think". One because of subtitles and the other because of content. People watch films to turn on, tune off, and drop out.

      Of course, I'd suggest the LSD before most films. At least something profound might happen then. ;)

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      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    21. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by psmears · · Score: 1

      We will go with HD when we have full access via component or dual-dvi ports, hdmi be damned.

      You need to be careful: HDMI is just a connector—roughly speaking, HDMI = DVI + SPDIF (in a single, smaller, connector). HDCP (the copy-prevention protocol) runs just as happily over DVI as over HDMI, as the two are electrically identical.

      On the positive side, of course, that means you don't need to rule out all products that come with HDMI ports, as it's quite possible for a device to use HDMI without being "evil".

    22. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      There are certain movies that I always go to see in theaters...movies like Cloverfield of Lord of the Rings are a good example...just go either to a super early showing, or take a couple hours off work and go in the middle of the afternoon.

      Other movies (namely slasher flicks and the like) I like to goto midnight showings on opening night. The remake of Ju-On (The Grudge) was not scary at all, and frankly rather bad. However, my buddy and I went to see it opening night at midnight...the entire theatre was jam-packed with people, and they were reacting like crazy to what was happening on screen. For some reason, this lame movie was TERRIFYING because of the atmosphere generated by the rest of the crowd.

      The talking, chewing, slurping, and whatever other noises do bother me a LITTLE, but generally I am able to tune it out (to a certain extent, naturally.)

    23. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by ziggyguy · · Score: 1

      How could you POSSIBLY forget JUNO !?!?!

      Sigh... and don't tell me you just picked some random selected examples, this is /., every word you say or don't say can and will be held against you.

    24. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Whenever someone asks me what I think about The Fountain, or if I'm trying to convince someone to watch it, this is what I say:

      "Don't watch the trailers or read the synopsis that you would normally find...it is very difficult to describe this movie in that kind of way. The only way I have found to describe it is that it is like watching a movie from the future. The Fountain feels like it was made 10 years in the future."

      Now, I don't know what I will say about it in 10 years, but I will worry about that later :-)

    25. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by DAtkins · · Score: 1

      Shoot 'em Up was the only good movie in the last year.

    26. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I actually did just pick some random movies off the top of my head...in any case, Juno wouldn't have been included because I (regrettably) haven't had a chance to see it yet.

    27. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Technically, that is true, however, I am yet to find a DVI device with HDCP.

      Finding a HDMI setup with HDCP these days is rather easy... until you rule out devices with buggy firmware

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    28. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by ivano · · Score: 1

      Well I'm happy to put my PhD against theirs. This link pretty much explains how I feel about this movie: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=83

    29. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by yakumo.unr · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid the 60% of the movies you have listed that I have seen, I would rate them 'great' at absolute best, 'ok', 'passed the time in an amusing fashion' or similar, not 'amazing' by any stretch of the imagination.

      Sadly right now I'm struggling to remember the last western made movie in the last 5 years I genuinely thought was amazing, though I clearly don't have mainstream tastes, most of the films I've been really impressed with recently have all been Asian, and mostly anime. It's been nearly a decade and a half since I last wanted to watch a movie I'd just finished a second time immediately (Akira), though obviously that's partially going to be due to being far more impressionable as a 13 year old.

    30. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by mujo · · Score: 1

      Yes its not only about using quantum physics to validate some way-off new age theory. Its also about Ramtha, 35000 years old warrior spirit , who is using JZ Knight as a channel to express himself all the while making her richer...

      Also there's that Dr Emeto's "experiment" where thoughts make ice crystals happy or unhappy that has NO scientific basis.

      Here's a complete debunking of that way-off movie.

      if thats your reason for liking the MPAA, you must like windows for the blue screen of death.

    31. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont know about most people but I buy most of what I download on DVD eventually. Its easier and faster to download a movie I want to see than to buy it on DVD and rip it myself. It also has the advantage that I can buy it at a more reasonable price. When a film reaches $8-12 (prices are usually higher in the UK) I usually buy a film I like. To download a movie costs me about 50 cents (based on my monthly internet bill & usage limits). I do agree that the price of downloading is a bit high but its still cheaper than wasting money in a cinema or on a dvd rental just to see how good a movie is.

      Another reason I download movies is because I prefer to see lower quality films (even though most rips are very high quality nowadays) because that way you tend to see a film's merits more than if there are tons of effects that are just there to distract you. Take the Matrix for example. I first watched that from an absolutely awful quality re-encode of a camcorder copy. I bought the DVD because of the story not because of the really overrated special effects (bullet-time was used in Wing Commander before the Matrix).

      The final reason I download movies is that I dont believe in national borders. I dont see why a person should be treated differently just because of where they were born. I am not a citizen of the UK, I live on planet earth. With our society so dependent on the internet I refuse to abide by artificial borders made purely for profit and control. Region codes are evil and I refuse to accept them. If a film or tv show is released anywhere then I consider it released everywhere.

      You have to realise that the MPAA cant exactly admit that they're in trouble. If they did that people wouldn't care. People don't care how much money a movie company makes or how much actors get paid. Even if they want to, they cant drop these overpaid actors either because they've become reliant on them. The films are usually so bad that without these 'stars' in the films, most people would avoid them. Unfortunately, most of the movie consumers care more about who is in a film and how good the special effects are than how good the story is. They are constantly making films louder because it distracts people from concentrating on the story. The movie companies are stuck in a loop of supporting overpaid actors and flashy special effects stuck on a mediocre story about something totally unoriginal. To get people viewing it they have to spend more and more on promotions and fake reviews that make films sound great. Most film reviews that people see are funded by tv companies or magazine companies which are owned by the same people who own movie companies.

      They have to look like the injured victim to get the lawmakers to pass these crazy DMCA-like laws. If they cant prove that piracy is bad they invent numbers that make things look that way. I bet when the original report was released it got quite a bit of press coverage. Now its proven to be a load of bullshit it'll barely make a news story. It'll get buried beneath their next lie about how bad piracy is. This is why CSS & AACS were cracked so easily. They need piracy to be so bad that something has to be done to save them. They know people wont accept a radical shift in how they pay for media unless they get lawmakers to force them to. If starting today, everyone boycotted all MPAA/RIAA media things would not change. They would still blame the decline on piracy. DVD revenue has dropped partly because of falling DVD prices but they would never admit that. Its far easier to blame piracy because piracy is this big bad enemy that will eventually destroy the economy and our way of life. Its the same with terrorism. In the UK we've lived with terrorism for many years but its only recently that its become this big bad enemy that was destroying our way of life. Its all bullshit to push their police state agendas but they'll never admit this. The MPAA/RIAA are just using the same tricks to push their own agendas. Eventually they'll get

    32. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      You have to view the movie as not a movie of hard science, but a movie of philosophy and spirituality. Of course the movie is way off scientifically (not that it gets facts about quantum physics wrong, because it doesn't. You have to really see the entire movie to understand what I'm saying) -- it's not really a scientific movie. Just because someone is talking about quantum physics doesn't mean they are necessarily talking about it from a pure scientific standpoint.

      Oh, and if Dr. Albert's interview was grossly "misrepresented by heavy editing", then why did he agree to do a second one for Down the Rabbit Hole? (Yes, they re-use his first interview, but they also clearly do a second interview)

    33. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by morari · · Score: 1

      When I do go nowadays, I tend to go on Mondays. Late morning/early afternoon. At best, there are perhaps five other people in the theater then. ;)

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      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    34. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by morari · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting tactic. After reading it, I would even tend to agree. For me, a lot of The Fountain was actually reminiscent of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I don't just mean the sci-fi visual either, but the overarching meaning and perhaps even tone. I only mention this because 2001 still feels ahead of its time in a lot of respects.

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      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    35. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      When I was younger and went to the movies with my dad, he had what he called the "herring" defense.

      That's right. We would sneak in a jar of herring and chow down. We didn't have ANYONE sit near us:-)

    36. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I had actually never thought of that (The Fountain -----> 2001) but that is actually a good point...it did have kind of the same "feel" to it, eh?

    37. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's you that's wrong. I'm a different poster from the person above, but I've been to the theater about once a week for the past 3 years. I concur. 90% of what the MPAA puts out is absolute horrible trash. Just my opinion and you don't have to agree with me, but your assumptions are just way off the mark.

    38. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Winckle · · Score: 1

      Sorry to butt in, but there are a few devices, such as nvidia graphics cards which have HDCP over DVI. I'm not sure of the technicalities such as whether you need vista, or other things. So, whilst i'm saying that DVI output from a HD disc player is very probably not there, under certain circumstances you can get HDCP DVI output.

    39. Re:Why download bootleg movies? by Hyperspite · · Score: 1

      Hey I liked that movie....

  2. In Other Words... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

    "Can't we all get along and play nice and respect each other?"

    Yeah. Good luck with that.

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    No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
  3. Why don't people understand? by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And MPAA and RIAA officials ... should acknowledge, respect and strongly support the continuing efforts of campus officials to address copyright issues, in part by ending the public posturing that portrays colleges and universities as dens of digital piracy.

    The MPAA and RIAA aren't interested in anything except changing the publics' perception of their "plight". By recognizing their flawed research and statistics it would mean that their campaign to flood the eyes and ears of the uninformed via the media outlets, who are hungry for trash, would possibly end.

    They are currently winning the war over parents and the majority of educational administrators who are worried that those they have jurisdiction over are doing things that someone told them was theft. They don't want to have others look poorly on them and they are going to spend an inordinate amount of time ensuring that they are doing everything they can to stop this horrible threat to our youth! Unfortunately, that comes at a serious cost in an arena that is notoriously short on funding and which should honestly have a lot more important shit to worry about.

    What is the most tiring is that the media outlet continue to eat what the MPAA/RIAA are feeding them and the parents don't sit down to think about anything other than how to "talk to their kids about drugs" errr, I mean "stealing"! I guess because many of us who are either just becoming parents or aren't planning for kids for at least a few more years have sat through the majority of the Nancy-period and the bullshit anti-drug messages, we are more immune to being bombarded with this crap. Unfortunately, the rest of them are all caving to the media pressure. "Don't let this happen to you!"

    I wish that more higher education institutions had the ability to pull off what Harvard did but the financial funding just isn't there to fight it in the short term but instead, wasting resources and funds over the long term is. The MPAA/RIAA knows exactly what they are doing and how to exploit those they are attacking and it sucks, bad.

    1. Re:Why don't people understand? by zakone · · Score: 1

      The MPAA and RIAA are getting more larger than life than the artists they are trying to protect. The collective licensing thing seems a good way to get rid of these self righteous hypocrites whom seem to do little other than sit around on their arses and pull up kids using p2p at home and colleges. Why they'll go after the ISPs next, for being accessory to theft and IPR infringement.

    2. Re:Why don't people understand? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      The MPAA/RIAA knows exactly what they are doing and how to exploit those they are attacking...

      I'd have to disagree. Using the RIAA as an example, their member-companies are watching sales continue to decline. Sure, some will blame piracy but those of us with a clue know that a failure to adapt to the new digital age in a timely manner and a continued trend of releasing a sub-par product at an inflated price has done more to harm their bottom lines than "piracy" ever could. So, forgive me if I think the MPAA/RIAA doesn't have a clue what they are doing (though I will agree they are exploiting everyone they possibly can, including those they claim to represent...).

    3. Re:Why don't people understand? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OTOH, you could view it as them playing the long game. They know that their business model is shot to hell, and that today there's nothing that they can do about it because general purpose computing devices ultimately treat all bits equally, so they've lost their cartel monopoly on high quality distribution.

      However, look at what they're doing in response: sowing FUD, reframing the debate, and buying politicians. I believe that their long term goal is to put the genie back in the bottle and outlaw general purpose computing devices that treat arbitrary bits as copyable by default. Perhaps it's not a credible goal, perhaps its even risible, but bear in mind that they've already got Redmond in their corner, so it's not completely beyond the pale.

      Don't write off the ??AAs. They are rich, powerful, they consider that they they enjoy a right to be profitable, and they are utterly without ethics or effective oversight. I suspect that eventually we'll be relying on Europe to prevent a Intel/Microsoft/??AA super-cartel from forcing a computing monoculture on us where arbitrary bits are uncopyable by default.

      Laugh if you like, but first consider who the next President is likely to be, and her unabashed view that Washington actually should be run by lobbyists and corporate interests.

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    4. Re:Why don't people understand? by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      What parents? I don't know nor have ever heard of a single parent who cares about copyright infringement, at least with regards to file sharing.

      And no, the Warner Music CEO doesn't count.

    5. Re:Why don't people understand? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      The MPAA/RIAA knows exactly what they are doing and how to exploit those they are attacking and it sucks, bad. Hmmm...maybe the answer is to incite the MPAA/RIAA into attacking Scientology thereby drawing them into a long and bitter legal fight with an equally exploitative and ruthless opponent and occupying both organizations for the better part of a decade. Perhaps then the rest of us could have a bit of peace.
    6. Re:Why don't people understand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm...maybe the answer is to incite the MPAA/RIAA into attacking Scientology thereby drawing them into a long and bitter legal fight with an equally exploitative and ruthless opponent and occupying both organizations for the better part of a decade.

      If you want to get rid of them more quickly trick them into going to war with Israel. Then the ??AAs should be history by 2010.

    7. Re:Why don't people understand? by thebackslasher · · Score: 1

      May I offer a simple and easy explanation?

      "Education increases the ingestion of propaganda. In fact it is a prerequisite."
      From "Propaganda" by jacques Ellul, 1973

    8. Re:Why don't people understand? by proselyte_heretic · · Score: 1

      Laugh if you like, but first consider who the next President is likely to be, and her unabashed view that Washington actually should be run by lobbyists and corporate interests.

      Could you justify the Hillary snub? I dont mean this as sarcasm, I am interested in learning, and it is not really honest to say things without concrete justification.
    9. Re:Why don't people understand? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Yes, I could.

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  4. This caused more piracy by acoustix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If anything, the MPAA's constant announcements that rabid P2P use among high school and college students was a major concern only fueled the fire for more kids to pirate movies.

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    1. Re:This caused more piracy by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You mean I can get it all for free? Whooaaah!

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    2. Re:This caused more piracy by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      But I thought the line "everybody's doing it" scared high school students away!

  5. Please think of the recording artists by biscon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Detective: This is the home of Lars Ulrich, the drummer for Metallica. [they approach a bush] Look. There's Lars now, sitting by his pool. [he's seen sitting on the edge of a chaise longue, his face in his hands, softly sobbing]

    Kyle: What's the matter with him?

    Detective: This month he was hoping to have a gold-plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool, but thanks to people downloading his music for free, he must now wait a few months before he can afford it. [a close-up of Lars sobbing] Come. There's more. [leads them away. Next seen is a small airport at night] Here's Britney Spears' private jet. Notice anything? [a shot of Britney boarding a plane, then stopping to look at it before entering] Britney used to have a Gulfstream IV. Now she's had to sell it and get a Gulfstream III because people like you chose to download her music for free. [Britney gives a heavy sigh and goes inside.] The Gulfstream III doesn't even have a remote control for its surround-sound DVD system. Still think downloading music for free is no big deal?

    Kyle: We... didn't realize what we were doing, eh...

    Detective: That is the folly of man. Now look in this window. [they are at another mansion, and they look inside a picture window] Here you see the loving family of Master P. [He's shown tossing a basketball to his wife while his kid tries to catch it] Next week is his son's birthday and, all he's ever wanted was an island in French Polynesia. [his mom lowers the ball and gives it to the boy, who smiles, picks it up and drops it. It rolls away and he goes after it]

    Kyle: So, he's gonna get it, right?

    Detective: I see an island without an owner. If things keep going the way they are, the child will not get his tropical paradise.

    Stan: [apologetically] We're sorry! We'll, we'll never download music for free again!

    Detective: [somberly, dramatically] Man must learn to think of these horrible outcomes before he acts selfishly or else... I fear... recording artists will be forever doomed to a life of only semi-luxury.

    1. Re:Please think of the recording artists by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're buying into exactly what the RIAA wants you to think - that musicians make lots of money from selling albums. They don't. Musicians make their money from touring, from playing to audiences for money. The people who make lots of money from selling albums are the record companies.

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    2. Re:Please think of the recording artists by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is exactly why 'artists' like Metallica and U2 shouldn't help support that fallacy.

    3. Re:Please think of the recording artists by farkus888 · · Score: 1

      actually gp was quoting south parks mockery of the RIAA's claims that artists make lots of money from album sales.

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    4. Re:Please think of the recording artists by zakone · · Score: 1

      Go Radiohead ! They are teh 733t with In Rainbows ^_^

    5. Re:Please think of the recording artists by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      South Park already did it!

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    6. Re:Please think of the recording artists by Noren · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not QUITE true. The small number of artists who have been popular for a long time, with consistent sales, actually do make quite a bit of money from album sales. This is because they were in a position to renegotiate favorably with recording studios after the lengthy initial contract.

      Which is why long established bands like Metallica and U2 are the only musicians who care enough about piracy to speak out on it- they are the rare exceptions of musicians who actually are getting paid for album sales.

      See this Courney Love essay. (Yes, Courtney Love wrote an informative essay on the topic. Who knew?)

    7. Re:Please think of the recording artists by fropenn · · Score: 1

      Actually, most musicians don't make enough to earn a living. Only a few top performers ever turn it into a full-time gig, and of those, only a tiny percentage ever become super-rich. I wouldn't feel bad about Metallica losing a few bucks - but taking revenue from the regional artist who works to feed his family causes me more pause in downloading knowing that if s/he doesn't get paid, s/he won't perform any more.
      I've always heard that you tour to support the album sales - that most artists don't make too much money from the tour but do it so they can sell more albums. Of course, this is /., so I don't have any sources...but it would be nice if someone could shed light on this debate with some real evidence.

    8. Re:Please think of the recording artists by swillden · · Score: 1

      Musicians make their money from touring, from playing to audiences for money.

      It's not that cut and dried.

      In general:

      1. Huge artists make their money from selling recordings, and lose money on their extravagant tours because of their expensive touring lifestyle and their very expensive shows. The manager of U2 told me that on one of their tours, U2 lost $100K per show, but that they more than made it up in the boost to CD sales.
      2. Medium artists make their money from touring. Even the biggest bands in some of the more niche genres, like metal, fall into this category.
      3. Small artists never make any money. 98% of artists who sign with a big record label never see a dime beyond their advance, and many of them don't get much of an advance. Small-time artists often find that they were more successful at making a living from their music while they were independents, just playing bars and such.

      Of course every rule has its exceptions, and in the music business there are exceptions to the exceptions, and exceptions to those.

      My source, BTW, is a stint as a contractor for Universal Music Group, building a new royalty calculation engine. To do that I had to understand music contracts and how they're really applied (as opposed to what they say on the paper), so I had lots of opportunities to discuss how musicians make money with people whose job it is to make sure musicians get as little of the label's money as possible.

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    9. Re:Please think of the recording artists by takanishi79 · · Score: 1

      So what you're telling us, is that when I buy an album, my money doesn't go to anyone who had anything to do with the artistic process? Honestly, the truth is worse for the RIAA than the lie they're trying to progogate. If I believe some of my money is actually going to an artist, I may have some incentive to purchase an album, and support whatever band I happen to enjoy at the time. Instead, I'm going to take my $15 that would have gone to a recordning company, and buy a t-shirt. This way, not only do I stop being naked, but the artist(s) get some money.

    10. Re:Please think of the recording artists by ChristianBaekkelund · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, in many situations, this is not the case. For example, see:
      Courtney Love's 2000 speech

  6. Ummm by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Shouldn't it be the 200% error? The number they gave was 300% of the new one, but they were wrong by 200% in the same way that 110 is 110% of 100 but only 10% wrong.

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    1. Re:Ummm by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't it be the 200% error? The number they gave was 300% of the new one, but they were wrong by 200% in the same way that 110 is 110% of 100 but only 10% wrong. So he committed a 50% error then?

      Don't be so harsh, after all he also was 50% right.
    2. Re:Ummm by JCSoRocks · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah... people aren't so sharp when it comes to percentages and numbers. An old manager at my work once said that productivity had increased 200%, not realizing that a 200% increase was in fact equivalent to a 3-fold increase. What she meant was 100%, or that people were being twice as productive. But, the numbers were all BS anyway, so people just nodded and smiled and laughed on the inside.

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    3. Re:Ummm by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Don't blame Slashdot...
      they were wrote up the story on an old Pentium PC.

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  7. The Price Is Right with Host Dan Glickman! by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunately, the MPAA has yet to release the actual reports that generated either the 44 percent or 15 percent claims about the role of college students in digital piracy; the public data are limited to PowerPoint graphics in PDF format on the association's web site. MPAA Secretary: I'm almost done authoring the report on college file sharing piracy ruining the movie industry, sir. I just need to know what number the researchers found in their study.
    Dan Glickman: Researchers? We're an organization of lawyers, not scienticians! We make the numbers, not find them. But it can't be too high or it will be unrealistic and people will ask questions but the higher it is, the more blame we can put on it.
    MPAA Secretary: 50 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Too high, go lower.
    MPAA Secretary: 30 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Higher.
    MPAA Secretary: 40 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Higher.
    MPAA Secretary: 45 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Lower.
    MPAA Secretary: 41 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Higher.
    MPAA Secretary: 42 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Higher.
    MPAA Secretary: 43 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Higher.
    MPAA Secretary: 44 percent?
    Dan Glickman: Ding ding ding!
    MPAA Secretary: But sir, that's a lot of money, what if they ask questions?
    Dan Glickman: Oh, grow up, it's in PowerPoint! PowerPoint is never wrong. Rocket scientists don't even question what's in PowerPoint! What is your problem?

    In all seriousness though, I've drawn up solutions on green engineering paper in the middle of meetings with pencil and everytime my boss hated it. But if I went back to my desk and made a box with a computer pointing to another box full of fecal matter in PowerPoint, management gobbles that right up without asking any questions.
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    1. Re:The Price Is Right with Host Dan Glickman! by Maestro485 · · Score: 1

      This is a little OT, but powerpoint was the key to passing graduation projects that were conveniently implemented for the first time the year I graduated high school (2003). It was hilarious, they would reject your project (you got a few chances), and quite literally if you came back with the same thing plus a powerpoint presentation they ate it up. Bonus points if you made a video to go along with it.

  8. Box office takes talk by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    If you look down the weekly box office totals, you see numbers like 40 million for #1, on down to 1 million for #10. Even if the take was only 100 million for a week, that's still not a shortage of cash to any business I know about. How many industries gross 100 million per week?

    I'd think that if downloading were really having a huge impact, that number would be more like 10 million a week total for the box office top 10 movies.

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  9. Deep thought by spleen_blender · · Score: 1

    It always seems those that try to practice game theory in real life always seem to neglect that being nice to each other has advantages in the game as well; and that being mean can offset any of the apparent gains had from following a skewed model that would ignore human emotion.

    The *IAAs just need a bit of lovin' :(

  10. Hilarious! by doggod · · Score: 1

    I loved this! Says it all!

  11. Bush - WMD - MPAA - Piracy (Copyrite infringment) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well it's a bit like invading Iraq, they have those WMDs that can be fired in 45 minutes and hit credible targets, lets go to war and make millions for some and let you and I pay for years for the folly. well the MPAA has or is getting their laws, so what the hey. Money Money Money, Lies Lies Lies

  12. Gross isn't everything. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    Don't look at the grosses alone. 40 million for Evil Dead II is a huge profit. 40 million for The Golden Compass would be a humiliating loss for the studio, prompting firings and fervent prayers to the dark lord Shabranigdo that the film makes more money on DVD/merchandise sales and foreign releases.

  13. A great man once said... by MrNemesis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

    Ooops, sorry, insta-Godwin.

    But we see the same tactics from the RIAA all the time - persistently referring to copyright infringement as stealing (maybe I should redefine "RIAA executive" as "sex offender"? I'd love to be able to change the meanings of legally applicable terms to suit my preference), persistently telling us that "piracy" loses a magical $X billion from the economy every year, that it supports terrorism/drug dealers/the mafia/anyone else seen as "bad". Lies. More lies. TFA (a good, polite rant) is just a catalogue of their lies and, occasionally spin-tastic back-pedalling. And yet such an organisation is not only allowed to exist, but to get in bed with the government too? And now they want to get their greasy paws on every privately owned internet connection in the US?

    Sorry, no. I think my insta-Godwin was half-warranted in the case of these capricious fucks.

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    1. Re:A great man once said... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      From Wikipedia: "Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or Nazis or their actions. It does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime."

      Given that this article is directly about propaganda, you get a free pass in comparing them to the Nazis.

    2. Re:A great man once said... by Samgilljoy · · Score: 1

      It reminds me of one of the few solid things ever said by Michel Foucault: Centers of power are productive of truths. Control isn't about threatening punishment; it's about labeling things as right and wrong, natural and unnatural, holy and unholy, etc. Take the world, divide it up, stick self-serving and evaluative labels on everything, and make sure the masses think that your map of reality is logical, natural, and so on.

      What really freaks me out is this: not only do corporations just buy out politicians, but corporate lackeys create the very knowledge base upon which politicians rely to understand issues and make decisions for many different areas of our society.

      I can never find anyone who appreciates what awesome power that implies, but maybe here, through this one issue, someone else might appreciate it.

    3. Re:A great man once said... by mpe · · Score: 1

      I'd love to be able to change the meanings of legally applicable terms to suit my preference), persistently telling us that "piracy" loses a magical $X billion from the economy every year, that it supports terrorism/drug dealers/the mafia/anyone else seen as "bad". Lies. More lies.

      Whilst the loses undoubtedly is an outright lie the claim that piracy (where actual money changes hands) funds all sorts of bad things probably is true. Just that the amount of money involved is trivial compared with that from other sources, including that from governments. (Probably the biggest irony about the "war on terror" is that the governments which support it most also tend to be those who support most terrorism.)

  14. I see where you're coming from. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    You're not downloading anything; you're just ripping the contents of the discs you bought and paid for. I have no argument with what you're doing, since I myself rip CDs that I've bought in order to put the music on my iPod, and also rip the DVDs I buy. Sure, it violates the law. I refuse to give a shit. I bought it, it's mine, and the MPAA can discuss their objections with the Devil down in Hell.

    I was asking about the w4r3z kiddies who insist on wasting disc and bandwidth downloading bootleg media that they didn't pay for. If you're not willing to pay cash for it, then why waste disc space and bandwidth downloading it via P2P, considering that both cost money?

    1. Re:I see where you're coming from. by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Actually they do me a favor by skipping that whole step of me wasting my time trying to figure out how to get the video off the disk and onto my backup server.

      I can't think of the last thing that I downloaded that I didn't already purchase.

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    2. Re:I see where you're coming from. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Simply put: some of our media is an entry barrier of our culture.

      One may not want to watch it, or not care too much, but to blend with "normal" people, one needs to watch some of the movies/music to connect to many people.

      Does one have to watch everything? Of course not. However, I do believe that there is some minimal amount of material one has to know about to blend with other normal people.

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    3. Re:I see where you're coming from. by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      Simply put: some of our media is an entry barrier of our culture. One may not want to watch it, or not care too much, but to blend with "normal" people, one needs to watch some of the movies/music to connect to many people. Does one have to watch everything? Of course not. However, I do believe that there is some minimal amount of material one has to know about to blend with other normal people.
      Yeah that worked really well in Galaxy Quest!
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    4. Re:I see where you're coming from. by aclarke · · Score: 1

      OK, what's your take on this situation? I pay $60/month or whatever it is for satellite TV service (Star Choice in Canada). That includes a whole bunch of HD channels. However, none of the HD receivers I can buy (without spending $700 for a hacked one) let me output a high definition feed to my computer, which runs my PVR.

      Now, let's say I want to watch a program in HD, which is available on the satellite service for which I'm paying. Since I can't do that, even though I'm paying for it, my only option is to download that SAME PROGRAM off the internet, since someone else out there was kind enough to buy the equipment and make it available to me.

      Sure, the commercials are skipped in the downloaded version, but that's not a factor for comparison since my PVR skips 95% of the commercials for me automatically anyway.

      Why is it OK for me to watch a recorded version of something I have paid to receive and recorded myself, vs. something I have paid to receive but someone else has recorded for me?

      Taking this to the next step (which, as you will note, I have not as I still pay for satellite service), if I can't watch the HD programming that I'm PAYING FOR anyway in the way that I want to watch it, and it's easier and cheaper for me to downloading it from the internet, why am I paying for TV service anyway?

      This is the problem with all this DRM. It stops those of us who are WILLING to pay a reasonable fee for content from being able to do so. These companies deserve what they get if they continue down this road.

  15. why do people think this matters? by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    people will trade movies online. for free. without any limitations. they just will, get used to it. no matter what laws anyone passes. end of story, there really is no alternative to that future

    movies will still be made for $100 million. the studios will just make their money only in the theatres. there just will be no more online/ dvd/ vhs aftermarket

    oh yeah, remember the vhs? that the studios fought tooth and nail in the 1980s because it was going to kill their movie business? which they now count as a huge cash cow? and which they now vigorously defend? pffft. yeah, like those guys understand a damn thing about what they are talking about

    people announced the death of the moviehouse in the 1950s. why? television. this was two decades before "Jaws" and the birth of the summer blockbuster. some genius prognostication there, huh? same with those predicting the internet, and the hdtv, and all of that will kill the theatre. uh, no. history repeating itself. the theatre business is secure, really

    studios will still make lots of money, people will still jam movie houses, no matter what a bunch of asocial slashdotters in their parent's basement say. watching anime on a 17 inch monitor by yourself in your basement is NOT a threat to people going to the movies on dates, in families, in groups, to see the blockbuster first, etc. no matter what technological advance is made. seriously

    hollywood: you're just going to have to wean yourself of the dvd aftermarket. there will be nothing online to match that cash cow, and the internet is going to kill that cash cow. go ahead and pass a bunch of laws, pay off some congressman, step up in enforcement. doesn't matter in the least. that cash cow is going bye bye, nothing is going to replace it. deal with that, nothing is changing that fact

    just put yourself in your 1980s "the aftermarket is going to kill the movie business!" point of view, you'll get used to the change

    morons

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    1. Re:why do people think this matters? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The asocial slashdotters are already watching those movies
      in their living room on a 60" TV or using some sort of projector.
      Your characterization is wildly out of touch with reality.

              Take a $1000 projector, about 12 feet of throw distance and
      add a well setup surround sound system and the MPAA is f*cked.

              This is what the non-asocial non-slashdot reading types are
      all doing in the suburbs. What do you think they do with all of
      that gratuitous space in those McMansions?

              "Home Theatre"

              Nevermind Slashbots. The MPAA has to worry about all of
      the yuppies with their home theatres.

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    2. Re:why do people think this matters? by Microlith · · Score: 1

      people will trade movies online. for free. without any limitations. they just will, get used to it. no matter what laws anyone passes. end of story, there really is no alternative to that future

      Guess we'll have to get used to a future with less then. Kind of a shame that people are so self centered and greedy they can't be bothered to respect people who produce works.

      movies will still be made for $100 million. the studios will just make their money only in the theatres. there just will be no more online/ dvd/ vhs aftermarket

      Somehow I doubt they'd risk spending $100 million on something that must make all its money back in the theater. But trading won't threaten movies like that, it'll threaten smaller budget works whose production budget is based on the idea of recouping the costs on DVD sales. Of course you (and the mass of warez fiends) simply will not have any part of this "paying others for their work."

      people announced the death of the moviehouse in the 1950s. why? television.

      Completely irrelevant and unrelated. They figured they'd lose due to competition. Filesharing is competition of an entirely different matter. They predicted that TV would kill the Movie, but instead they co-exist perfectly, because they both bring unique things to the table.

      Filesharing brings nothing unique to the table. It just takes the works that would be in movie theaters and on TV and shoves them over the internet, with no respect shown to those who created them. Or if you're the pirate bay, with arrogance, a childish attitutde, and while generating revenue off it.
  16. Technawlogee by daninspokane · · Score: 0

    Quick thought.... do most people have a dedicated T1 line for downloading movies at high speeds an en masse?

    I have DSL, most people have what... Comcast? I just don't think the technology is there and commonly available at a price we can afford to make the average college student some huge pirate. Most of us play CS/WoW/TF2... and uhhh.. we don't like our latency slowed down by downloading movies...so ... we don't? They failed to compensate for the gamers...!! THE GAAMMERRSS!!!

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    1. Re:Technawlogee by dosius · · Score: 1

      T1 ain't that fast really.

      My ADSL is 3072:768 - roughly half a T1's worth of uplink, 2 T1s' worth of downlink.

      -uso.

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    2. Re:Technawlogee by Gewalt · · Score: 0

      The average residential cable connection is WAY faster than a T1. And most FTTx implementations just completely obliterate cable.

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  17. How much is really "Internet Piracy?" by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to this Ars Technica article ( http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060505-6761.html ), the $6.1 billion that the MPAA claims is lost to piracy is a highly inflated number. Ok, I'll pause while everyone says "Well, DUH!".... ... done? ... ok, good. Let's proceed.

    Apparently, "bootlegging" costs them $2.4 million. This is typically "hard piracy" or a guy on a street corner selling a copied DVD for $5. Let's give the MPAA this figure.

    The next portion is $1.4 billion "lost" to illegal copying. Now this isn't someone putting Star Wars up on a P2P network. This is someone taking their Star Wars DVD and making a backup copy of it. Apparently, the MPAA feels that you should pay for backup copies and not doing so is costing them money. This is likely just a load of horse manure, but let's leave it be for now because the next one is what really interests me.

    Finally, they claim $2.3 billion in losses to "internet piracy". Since they claim that most of the losses are overseas (say, 40%) and 15% of the US Internet piracy happens on campuses, that's $138 million ($2.3 Billion * 0.4 * 0.15). Now, they also are claiming that each P2P copy downloaded is a lost sale. I disagree with that and think that the real "lost sales" figures are far lower. I'm willing to grant them a compromise, though, and assume that a one in three downloaded copies is a lost sale. This takes the losses figure down to $46 million. Finally, some of those "lost sales" would have been used copies, rentals, or other legal "reduced cost" methods. So let's assume that this takes reduces their revenue by 20% (again, being generous)*. This takes their Internet Piracy loss down to just under $37 million.

    So for $37 million lost annually, the MPAA wants severe Federal laws that would deny students a college education if someone else on the campus pirates a movie?

    * Ok, I pulled a lot of the numbers out of my behind, but so did the MPAA. At least my numbers are likely to be closer to reality.

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    1. Re:How much is really "Internet Piracy?" by Wylfing · · Score: 1

      I think there is something like 16 million students enrolled in colleges & universities in the U.S. each year. Using your figures, that means $2.30 per student. So I guess they think it's fair that because you "took" $2.30 from them, they should take $100,000 from you.

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    2. Re:How much is really "Internet Piracy?" by Alsee · · Score: 1

      At least my numbers are likely to be closer to reality.

      If we're gonna play horseshoes....
      I'm gonna toss a $zero out there for the win :)

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    3. Re:How much is really "Internet Piracy?" by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      Bearing a resemblence to reality doesn't make any sense in the RIAA universe. I think they're currently lobbying to make reality a punishable offence.

      As an aside, the RIAA don't just make this stuff up. You need to have had about a kilo of marching powder up your nose before you start thinking up numbers as big as that. Observe this example:

      Non-coked-up RIAA executive 1: So how much did we lose to downloading this year?
      Non-coked-up RIAA executive 2: Well, when you factor in the fact that most of what we call "pirates" wouldn't buy it anyway... maybe 5% of our revenue, tops
      Non-coked-up RIAA executive 1: Hmm, we need to think about expanding into new markets if we're going to stay relevant with both musicians and listeners.

      Once more, with feeling:

      Coked-up RIAA executive 1: Fuck! How much did we lose to those dealers... I mean students... those internet people?
      Coked-up RIAA executive 2: What? I thought we were talking about how great a businessman I am?
      Coked-up RIAA executive 1: Dude, we're trying to write a report here, we need to know how much money we need to cover our... er... habit next year
      Coked-up RIAA executive 2: Fuck yeah! Uh. Gotta be at least half a billion dollars.
      Coked-up RIAA executive 1: You going to this meeting about this fucking proposal for an online store in the morning?
      Coked-up RIAA executive 2: Fuck that, it's Shanamarie's album party tonight, I'm gonna be so high I reckon I'll see the future

      N.B. this really was taken from an actual transcript that my Secret Hidden Spy Network got to me. Names have been removed to protect the guilty.

      P.S. I do not endorse the taking of cocaine. You should pay for it like everyone else.

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  18. Actually.. by biscon · · Score: 1

    I was reminded of that particular South Park episode (Faith+1) after reading the summary (no of course I didn't RTFA, this IS slashdot afterall ;) about how they want to educate college students about the dangers of piracy. The reason I posted that transcript is because I think it is rather bizarre that educational institutions must educate their (presumably piss poor) students about piracy, inorder to save some already ultra rich assholes obsolete business model. I agree that corporate parasites are the ones making the most money of album sales, so im not buying into anything, but thanks for pointing it out :).

  19. Redeeming features by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sure, and Benito Mussolini got the trains to run on time. One doesn't earn forgiveness for a mountain of fuckups by doing a few things right.

    1. Re:Redeeming features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you missed Godwin.

      He went eastwards - hurry, you still might catch him.

  20. I have been looking. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    I have been looking, and I've seen many of the films you've mentioned. However, the exceptions you cite do not invalidate Sturgeon's Law: 90% of the MPAA member studios' output is crap.

    1. Re:I have been looking. by Pojut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Movies are (sadly) much like how videogames have become. For every great piece of work, there are ten horrible pieces of work lining up behind it. Once you are able to recognize crap from a distance, however, you tend to stop noticing it.

  21. And Yet, the RIAA Loses No Credibility by asphaltjesus · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It reminds me of Team America World Police, "We will write you an open letter asking you to explain your motives!"

    And yet, nearly all of the righteous ./'ers continue to consume the cartel's product, or steal it. Both of which are wrong and just start another round of circle jerk.

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    1. Re:And Yet, the RIAA Loses No Credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people on slashdot don't give a fuck about copyright or right and wrong, they just want to weasel out of paying for entertainment, because they think they wont get caught. its leeching and free loading at its very worst. this political smokescreen is just pure bull.

    2. Re:And Yet, the RIAA Loses No Credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the part where they claim with no evidence that piracy actually increases revenue because it is like free advertising.

  22. Hold up a minute... by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    Wait for it....

    What the **AA still are not telling us is how and where they found what proof (if any) that P2P file sharing is hurting their business, nor have the quantified how the quality of their product taints that estimate. Remember that old adage about comparing apples and oranges?

    Now, factor in the damage done by Radiohead or NIN. How does that affect their bottom line, and tell me in dollars and cents because wild ass guesses are not good enough in a court of law where they are claiming dollar and cent damages.

    Better still, if they are %200+ wrong on their calculations for damages, couldn't that be called criminal? I had always been told that lying in court is a criminal offence.

    I believe that a court of law should question any claim of damage that does not account for losses due to other natural business related damage to revenue. Seriously, if they can not quantify their losses due to having crap products, their estimate of losses due to copyright theft is just noise, and stinks like it was made by escaping gases from their collective asses.

    1. Re:Hold up a minute... by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

      "What the **AA still are not telling us is how and where they found what proof (if any) that P2P file sharing is hurting their business, nor have the quantified how the quality of their product taints that estimate."

      But they've got graphs! You can't argue with graphs!

  23. Try Eastern Europe. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, I was thinking of Eastern Europe. Poland, the Czech and Slovakian Republics, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, etc. I'd suggest East Germany as well, but the reunified Germany has also slid into statism. Rome wasn't built in a day, and it wasn't brought down in a year. It takes time to build a tyranny, most of the groundwork is laid behind the scenes, and it takes time to tear one down as well. Hell, it took 70 years to bring down the Soviet Union.

    1. Re:Try Eastern Europe. by GuidoW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meaning if the US slips into tyranny now, not one of us is going to see the end of it...

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    2. Re:Try Eastern Europe. by Torvaun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if we keep putting it off, our children may be the ones to never know freedom. Besides, it took so long to tear down the Soviet Union because the citizens that destroyed it had never known a free Russia. We have seen how things ought to be, and therefore will fight hardest to regain it. If nothing else, we can lay the groundwork for the fight against tyranny.

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    3. Re:Try Eastern Europe. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      The first thought that comes to my mind is Rome. Once it slipped into the control of Julius Caesar, it never recovered. The Roman Republic was long lost to the tyranny of the Roman Empire. The end result was a complete collapse of Rome itself, a loss of world infrastructure, and a completely separate empire (the Byzantines) which was eventually overthrown by the Crusades and later the Ottomans.

  24. There's Method Here by Vengance+Daemon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against . . . We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt."

    Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

    1. Re:There's Method Here by DeepGear · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The third generation iPod itself prodayuschegosya-a radically different from the previous ones. Drawing player dramatically changed, he gained a new display. Moreover, he moved to another class of device: steel MP4 player (although to call it so, of course, no one will), free iPod having learned to play free iPod the video. Videovozmozhnosti for the new nano http://get-free-ipod.net/http://get-free-ipod.net/ will be key, its new slogan - "A little video for everyone" ( "A bit of video for each" play of words: "a little" = "little" and "small" free iPod can be read as "a small (iPod) with a video for each "). For MP4 players, as the form factor is quite serious milestone. In early 2004, when the little-known Korean company began to absorb this direction, the attitude to it was very skeptical. Few people believed that people will watch videos on such small screens. Time was, MP4 players become available, grew quality displays, processor power, memory capacity. Direction became interested known companies, iriver, Cowon, and then the big brands, Samsung, Sony, Philips, LG, most recently, pure MP4 player Creative released.

  25. Colleges respect copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know what universe the author came from, but colleges DO NOT respect copyrights. Just checkout all the photocopied and bound books in the departmental libraries.

  26. Unfortunate childish reaction too many take by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    which allows the MPAA and RIAA to brand these people easily.

    Its the old and stupid "Get back at the man" mentality. Its vindictive and childish. As such the people who act this way are the least likely to be able to do anything rationale meaning their "plight" if prolonged. Prolonged until they get supplanted by people who do things with maturity.

    Right now its this face that the RIAA/MPAA presents as its opposition, a face that the public can easily ignore as something it wants no association with. Whereas the entertainment industry does get the favor of the public by enlisting the very people who could be its downfall. Seen the recent Cloverfield use of the net? How many got caught up in it (not people from here mind you, but I bet a good number from here did). The latest American idol feeds right into the RIAA... you and I all know people caught up in this.

    As long as the xxAA can portray themselves in the Cloverfield and American Idol methods while casting those opposed as the pirate, losers, outcasts, they aren't going to be threatened by anything.

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  27. Choosing and Selecting by kamapuaa · · Score: 1
    And MPAA and RIAA officials ... should acknowledge, respect and strongly support the continuing efforts of campus officials to address copyright issues, in part by ending the public posturing that portrays colleges and universities as dens of digital piracy.

    For that to happen, colleges and universities will have to stop being dens of digital piracy. Everybody who's been to college in the last 10 or 15 years knows it's true. Slashdot it being ridiculous, ignoring well-known facts because they happen to disagree with their argument.

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  28. I smell nostalgia. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    You're probably just remembering the good videogames, and have forgotten (or never played) the crappy ones. Remember Tengen?

    1. Re:I smell nostalgia. by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know that there were plenty of horrible video games when I was younger (23 now, for reference). It just seems that the crap video games that are around now are WAY crappier (comparatively, of course) to the crap video games of my youth. Something very similar happened with kids cartoons. I love just about all cartoons made for kids that were on TV from the 1960's on up. True, there were some bad ones here and there, but for the most part they were all entertaining. In the mid-to-late 90's, however, things started going downhill quick. Cartoons (and kids shows in general) became unimaginative, ludicrous, and just plain stupid.

      Now, the question is am I getting old man syndrome before my time, or have production values really gone downhill? Likely a little from column A, a little from column B...but who knows?

    2. Re:I smell nostalgia. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I can't help you with that one. I couldn't stand kids' anything as a kid. Hell, the only reason I know what Bugs Bunny is is that I'd humor my father by watching Warner Bros. shorts with him.

  29. Oh, that's interesting. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    Cultural literacy as a reason to download bootleg music/movies? That's new to me. I'm not sure I buy it. If I wanted to talk with a fan of Lost, I wouldn't bother watching the show on TV or downloading bootleg copies. I'd just find a plot summary on the net.

    1. Re:Oh, that's interesting. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      ---Cultural literacy as a reason to download bootleg music/movies? That's new to me.

      Along with this type of argument would be that much of our media is nigh worthless in terms of our (US) culture. It usually takes a bit of time to determine cultural worthiness vs some fad that will dissolve within months.

      ---I'd just find a plot summary on the net.

      I don't think that would work. Perhaps hitting the summary sites might work, but in my experience it usually doesn't work. This problem seems to rear its head when one tries to fake the emotional parts of the story... script readers have no connection while the show-watchers do.

      Now, is this a reason to download movies/series/music? Probably not. I certainly wouldn't dismiss it entirely either. Some connections I have made started entirely over music and movies... some of which I downloaded (and didn't like, but could talk about).

      As a disclaimer, I'm going into electrical engineering BS, minor mathematics/anthropology (IUPUI). Take it as you will ;)

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  30. A great man being George Creel? by IvyKing · · Score: 2, Informative
    What a lot of people don't realize is that Hitler's Minister of Propaganda had taken lessons from the Woodrow Wilson administration, especially George Creel. There were some incredible lies told to bolster support for WW1 in the US which were revealed in the 1920's, which was a major reason why the US public did not want to get involved in another European war.


    No insta-Godwin for you...

    1. Re:A great man being George Creel? by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the Creel reference, I'd never seen the name mentioned before (but was aware of the misonfirmation campaign during Woodrow Wilson's administration); it's generally only the european side of WW1 that's common knowledge over here. Some interesting reading coming up :)

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    2. Re:A great man being George Creel? by IvyKing · · Score: 1
      You're quite welcome, glad it was of interest.


      A good book to read on what happened in the US during WW1 is Barrie's 'The Great Influenza'.

  31. some said the same thing about the tv in the 1950s by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    tv didn't kill the theatre in the 1950s. the theatre kept growing

    why?

    they did studies. it's sort of a post-modern church. psychologiclly, people go there to feel like part of a community, the other gasps, laughs, etc. in a movie house heighten the experience. yes, dorothy, that effect is taking into account the crying babies, the asshole with the cell phone, etc.

    seriously: the hdtv, internet movies, etc. will not alter the money made at theatres. because its a controlled venue, a must have experience. its psychology

    you probably still have a lovely retort to my point

    your point also applies to the television

    why didn't tv kill the theatre in the 1950s?

    case closed

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  32. Simple answer? by erroneus · · Score: 1

    THE TRUTH!

  33. There's no recovery from tyranny. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    A nation cannot "recover" from tyranny as if it were just another illness for the body politic to fight off. The natural course of all governments, no matter how carefully designed, is to obtain more power and become more meddlesome. The end result is always tyranny. It happened in Rome, it happened all over Europe and Asia, and it's happening in the United States. All we can do is either keep our heads down until the current tyranny destroys itself and try to pick up the pieces, or die with rifles in our hands and a regret in our hearts that we had but one life to give for our country. The USA is fucked. Better luck next time, folks.

    1. Re:There's no recovery from tyranny. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All we can do is either keep our heads down until the current tyranny destroys itself and try to pick up the pieces

      Well, Rome had ~500 years of tyranny, followed by ~1000 years of a split and crumbling empire with poor living conditions, rampant disease, hunger, and incredibly short lifespans. Soo... guess what? You're dead either way. Better to take a stand while you still can than wafting on a hope that "Rome will be a Republic once again! Someday. Soon. Maybe."

      Of course, your rather dire attitude towards the US places your objectivity about the current political situation in question. I can guarantee you that things are not quite as bad as you're making them out to be. If the US crumbles, it will be more through ambivalence and poor maintenance than tyranny.
  34. ProllFeed. by gnutoo · · Score: 1

    What is the most tiring is that the media outlet continue to eat what the MPAA/RIAA are feeding them

    They are one and the same industry. When you turn on a radio or TV, you open a channel from their ass to your mind.

  35. They're not lying! by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    Neither are flat earthers or creationists. Because it's only a lie if the person saying it knows it's not true.

    When head of the MPAA a couple of decades ago Jack Valenti said "the VCR is to the movie industry what Jack The Ripper was to women".

    In short, they're not liars. They're just stupid.

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  36. Simple Solution Really by link-error · · Score: 1


        When I was in college, every student paid a $10/semester fee in return for access to all city buses.

      Just do the same thing for the music. $10/semester in exchange for free/unlimited internet access to music.
    At my school alone, that would be over $600,000 per semester. Canada has the blank-media tax, seems to work there doesn't it?

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  37. Colleges are Teaching This?!?!? by RobBebop · · Score: 1

    colleges and universities are engaged in serious efforts to inform and educate students about the importance of copyright

    When I entered college in 2001, my college was engaged in a serious effort to show all incoming freshman a film depicting the trouble of over-indulging in alcohol and the risks of taking advantage of women while they are intoxicated. To me, this is a real serious concern because of the way lives can be ruined during only a single thoughtless night of events.

    I hardly think "copyright" should even be considered in the same ballpark as "rape". If the music industry really has a problem with college students, they should fund their own damned "info sessions" and see how effective it is.

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    1. Re:Colleges are Teaching This?!?!? by SithLordOfLanc · · Score: 1

      Sadly, the RIAA and MPAA can just as effectively ruin your life (financially anyway) and with a lot less proof.

  38. Objectivity? What objectivity? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    My "rather dire attitude" towards the US is not objective, and I don't think I ever claimed it was. The American people are going to get the government they deserve after decades of believing politicians who claim to be able to buy prosperity with taxes and deficit spending, and they're going to get it good and hard. Just watch and wait -- preferably from a safe distance.

  39. you're quite ignorant by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    "Guess we'll have to get used to a future with less then. Kind of a shame that people are so self centered and greedy they can't be bothered to respect people who produce works."

    quality and financial outlay is a funny thing. the golden age of high quality cinema is from an age when hollywood only made money from theatres. and i don't know about you, but i've seen plenty of $100 million dollar pieces of shit, and plenty of $100,000 gems. as for "respect" i don't think the royalty of the incans or aztecs got much respect from the spanish either. yet, they went the way of hisotry nonetheless. so it is with making money in the dvd aftermarket. sorry. why don't you go grumble about it with that chimney sweep and that blacksmith over there: technological progress isn't fair, there are losers in it in certain segments of society. but who benefits is SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. oh well. deal with it loser

    "Somehow I doubt they'd risk spending $100 million on something that must make all its money back in the theater. But trading won't threaten movies like that, it'll threaten smaller budget works whose production budget is based on the idea of recouping the costs on DVD sales. Of course you (and the mass of warez fiends) simply will not have any part of this "paying others for their work.""

    i already addressed the more $ spent=more quality joke. as for who i am with my "warez fiends": kindly look at my sig. who am i now again? blindly shoehorning your ideological opponent into a retarded stereotype does not allow you to win the argument. it merely walls you off from reality

    "Filesharing brings nothing unique to the table. It just takes the works that would be in movie theaters and on TV and shoves them over the internet, with no respect shown to those who created them. Or if you're the pirate bay, with arrogance, a childish attitutde, and while generating revenue off it."

    ah, there's that misplaced notion of what respect means again. in your mind apparently, respect consists of a frozen-in-time consideration of how things work in society, and that will never change. your blind. your mind is closed. that just because at one point in time, people got on boats to go around africa to go to india, that now they have a canal in egypt, they aren't showing "respect" to the supply depot in capetown. that just because once people rode sailboats, and now they ride steamboats, they aren't showing "respect" to sailmakers. what you call "respect" isn't the real concept of respect at all. it is "this is the way things work and that will enver change and if someone tries to change it they are being immoral". when what they are actually doing is doing things BETTER

    things change einstein. learn that, or become antiquated and irrelevant. because that's currently the quality of your thoughts on this subject. you should go talk with the executives at de beers about diamonds. they share your notion of what "respect" is all about: artificially propping up a false market in the face of technological change

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  40. Look at how much money they make! by Beliskner · · Score: 1

    Look at how much money they make! if they even put 10% of that into buying politicians every law could be rewritten!

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  41. You're asking the wrong person. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    OK, what's your take on this situation? I pay $60/month or whatever it is for satellite TV service (Star Choice in Canada). That includes a whole bunch of HD channels. However, none of the HD receivers I can buy (without spending $700 for a hacked one) let me output a high definition feed to my computer, which runs my PVR.

    If you're paying for access, then I see no reason to apply the "I bought it, it's mine, fuck you!" principle.

    Taking this to the next step (which, as you will note, I have not as I still pay for satellite service), if I can't watch the HD programming that I'm PAYING FOR anyway in the way that I want to watch it, and it's easier and cheaper for me to downloading it from the internet, why am I paying for TV service anyway?

    Don't ask me. I haven't watched TV since 1996. One night I was channel surfing, didn't find anything I wanted to see, and decided that I had had enough. Even the pay-per-view porn was tame. As far as I'm concerned, only a sucker would pay for the privilege of having 500 channels and nothing to watch.
  42. Re:Nigger Patrol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Preach on brother.

    6. They make me mad seeing them on TV. BET? Why is it necessary to devote an entire channel to them? Do we really need to see them trying to make "music" while jumping around on stage just like their ape ancestors?

    I always thought BET was a subsidiary of the Discovery Channel. Hmm...learn something new everyday.

  43. This may come as a shock, but... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

    ... people actually have varying tastes, which means they might like different movies and music to you. They never "foist", they offer. They give you the opportunity to pay money to see the movie, or listen to the music that they (as an organisation) created. If it's not to your tastes, that's absolutely fine. The problem is those who find those movies/songs to their tastes, but decide they'll skip their end of the deal.

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  44. I call bullshit by Sierpinski · · Score: 1

    And MPAA and RIAA officials ... should acknowledge, respect and strongly support the continuing efforts of campus officials to address copyright issues,

    So that's why they (or at least some of them) are trying to force universities that do not have anti-piracy infrastructures (filters, monitoring, etc) in place to lose their federal funding? Wow, that does show a lot of respect.

    I think that the MPAA and RIAA should not be allowed to interfere with anything regarding universities, except maybe as cases to analyze in the law schools. They're proposing probably millions of dollars of additions/changes to universities' infrastructures, no doubt causing higher tuitions, and if some university fails to meet the expectations of the [MPAA|RIAA], all of the innocent college students face the possibility of having a government subsidized student loan or whatever.

    Where does it stop? An RIAA officer on guard outside every dorm to search and "digitally frisk" each student for downloaded music as they enter their dorm? (I think if that happened, I might want to invest in some rope ladder stock.)

  45. Faking it is good enough, most of the time. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    I don't think that would work. Perhaps hitting the summary sites might work, but in my experience it usually doesn't work. This problem seems to rear its head when one tries to fake the emotional parts of the story... script readers have no connection while the show-watchers do. It's worked well enough for me so far. Most of the people who bother to talk to me about TV are content to see me nod at the right times, stroke my chin, and say, "Yeah, that was cool". I call such people "coworkers", by the way. My actual friends know that I don't give a single little fuckin' shit about TV. Most of my friends don't care either. My wife sometimes misses the idiot box, but when I offer to get cable, she tells me not to worry about it.
  46. MPAA, RIAA, now the MLAA! by Frinet · · Score: 1

    We need a MLAA (Music Lovers Association of America) to lobby for our rights! I mean seriously all this talk goes on about the **AA's plight to exploit and inability to adapt to reality but whats getting done about it? If anything, i sure haven't heard about it. Something needs to happen other than a thousands of "fix the music industry" plans on people's blogs and discussions in forums. Maybe not a MLAA but, i dunno, a boycott or something.

  47. Pointless? by EdIII · · Score: 1

    "colleges and universities as dens of digital piracy"

    That really got me thinking. The more I thought about it, the more I believe it is true. I started out with BBS boards and handles, where you had to be voted in. A 14.4 Modem was Godly. I only had a 2800 baud. :(

    My whole life as a child, I was on those boards pirating the bejeezus out of ANYTHING. Going into college, it WAS a den of digital piracy. I almost had a wet dream awake the first time I saw a download at 30KB/s. There are some months, in which I actually had EVERY single piracy release. Not joking either. I got some closets full of 1000+ CD's/DVD's that have the original piracy releases on them.

    That being said, the RIAA and MPAA may be fighting a battle that was pointless from the start.

    My PARENTS bought me video games when I was child. They purchased books for me, as well as movie tickets. They also bought a large number of movies on VHS, and later on Laserdisc for me to watch with my friends when they spent the night over. My father bought all the software. I was privileged to learn on expensive Autocad and 3D studio licenses.

    When I became an adult and started making money, I actually started to buy certain pieces of software and video games. I don't think I ever even realized I was doing it.

    I now remember, that I purchased Total Annihilation, Diablo's, Command & Conquer, etc. I got Dungeon Siege, Baldur's Gate, and many others pirated.... yet when I look at my bookcase.... I can see the original boxes sitting there....

    My PSX, PS2, and XBOX are all modchipped and running backup copies of the games. I have huge libraries of console games downloaded and yet..... in my bookcase is like 30 of my favorites in their original boxes.....

    Hell, when I think about it now.... All of my friends, which are out of college, purchase movies, books, video games, music and software. HOLY SHIT..... My systems in the house are on LICENSED COPIES OF MICROSHAFT!!! All of the software on my system is properly LICENSED! WTF??!

    Now, I of course don't have DRM'd content, and I routinely pirate and crack my software so it does not phone home, but is it "piracy" to run a pirated, NON-DRM'd copy of something after you paid?

    Just maybe... Just Maybe... The RIAA and MPAA are spending hundreds of millions to fight for sales that would have never occured in the first place. I never had any money growing up, but now apparently I do buy things. Just Maybe those college students still end up being good consumers.

    So just what are they fighting for again?

  48. VHS different than the internet by master_p · · Score: 1

    The VHS situation is different than the internet situation. VHS video recorders could copy a movie, but they could not be used to search for a movie, whereas nowadays every digital item is two clicks away.

    The real problem with MPAA is not that piracy is not theft, but its motives. The real motive behind MPAA is not that "piracy is bad", but that "we are not as filthy rich as we could be if you did not copy our data". So, since the rich don't play fair, it's only justified to copy a movie for personal use (not for profit).

  49. What the MPAA doesn't want you to know.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the rest of the story, some may no doubt remember the 2003 paper "Analysis of Security Vulnerabilities in the Movie Production and Distribution Process" by Byers, Cranor, Kormann, McDaniel, and Cronin.

    One of their very analytical conclusions is that "[o]f the 285 movie samples we examined, 77% appear to have been leaked originally by industry insiders."

          aps.