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Yahoo Deal Is Big, but Is It the Next Big Thing?

mattsgotredhair brings us a NYTimes article discussing how Microsoft's bid for Yahoo contrasts against one of the core philosophies of Silicon Valley: looking forward. From the Times: "Microsoft may see Yahoo as its last best chance to catch up. But for all its size and ambition, the bid has not been greeted with enthusiasm. That may be because Silicon Valley favors bottom-up innovation instead of growth by acquisition. The region's investment money and brain power are tuned to start-ups that can anticipate the next big thing rather than chase the last one. 'This is the very nature of the Valley,' said Jim Breyer of the venture capital firm Accel Partners. 'After very strong growth, businesses by definition start to slow as competition increases and young creative start-ups begin to attack the incumbents.'"

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  1. wrong city by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That may be because Silicon Valley favors bottom-up innovation

    No, that's San Francisco.

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  2. What about Google? by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Funny

    That may be because Silicon Valley favors bottom-up innovation instead of growth by acquisition This explains why Google is so unpopular in Silicon Valley.
  3. I really do not get it... by tgatliff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How is this the next big thing when MS buying Yahoo shows how frustrated they are with their MSN Live initiative? Yes, I definitely think that buying Yahoo was a smart move at a great longterm price, but other than them building it directly into Vista 2.0, I dont see how much more good it will do them. The move was simply them "buying" marketshare in an attempt to trump Google. Considering that Yahoo has already shown that they cannot compete with Google, I suspect it will turn out just like the early days of the Compaq / HP deal in relation to Dell. This is just my opinion, however...

    1. Re:I really do not get it... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I suspect it will turn out just like the early days of the Compaq / HP deal in relation to Dell While the early days didn't go so well in that deal, HP now has 17.6% of the market while Dell only has 13.9%.
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    2. Re:I really do not get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't compare the HP/Compaq merger to a Microsoft/Yahoo! merger. First of all, infrastructure plays a much greater role in the Microsoft/Yahoo! scenario. Yahoo! is heavily run on open source software, including PHP, FreeBSD and Linux. It won't look good for Microsoft if so much more infrastructure is running on software they have belittled for years now.

      So either they'll have to do like they did with Hotmail, and let it run on FreeBSD until they've basically re-written in from scratch to use their technology. Of course, that will be very costly, and likely nowhere near as good as the original (like we've seen with Hotmail). They'll be in the same position they are now, except having spent far more money.

      The HP/Compaq merger was far more about combining product lines, management teams, R&D, support teams, etc. That is, it was more about an organizational merger, rather than a technological acquisition.

    3. Re:I really do not get it... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, I definitely think that buying Yahoo was a smart move at a great longterm price...
      The move was simply them "buying" marketshare in an attempt to trump Google.


      Ummm, you are aware that Microsoft has not actually bought Yahoo, right? MS has made Yahoo an offer. Yahoo has not yet responded to that offer.

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    4. Re:I really do not get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      omg walloftext

    5. Re:I really do not get it... by Herschel+Cohen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well it really was not an offer. As I read it, it was a statement of intent. That is, most likely they plan to acquire shares from holders that are willing to sell directly to MS at a premium. Once a sufficient percentage is obtained they move to take over the company by a proxy vote. Control is final after a positive review by the DOJ and the EU.

      This is a hostile take over where the purchaser could care less what either the board and the management thinks or responds.

    6. Re:I really do not get it... by Chriscypher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "More companies die of indigestion than starvation."

      ("The HP Way," Hewlett-Packard co-founder David Packard, page 142)

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    7. Re:I really do not get it... by pallmall1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MS can afford to offer deeply discounted prices to advertisers in order to to eat up Google's marketshare.
      They can cut the price all they want in order to get more ads and advertisers, but that doesn't mean they'll get more traffic. Marketing is based on the number of people who see the ad and their demographic. If MS cuts the price without a significant increase in traffic, they'll only be reducing the value of their existing base.
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  4. This is what MS did before and it worked back then by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It worked when Microsoft bought DOS, it worked when Microsoft bought Hotmail, it's current biggest web service. Microsoft does try to innovate, but most often that stuff just falls flat on its face, when Microsoft buys other people's products though, that's when they hit a winner. Saying that the most wealthy, successful software company in the world is doomed to failure for going against silicon valley reasoning is futile when that's what they've always done and made more than anyone else while doing.

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  5. Is Silicon Valley right? by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure, Silicon Valley VC folks love startups, because they get a piece of the action. Heck, they were happy as pigs in shit around 1998, despite the fact that about 1% of those startups had any hope of seeing a profit. But it doesn't mean that MS+Yahoo is destined to lose, simply because they're not the chic pick anymore.

    None of that has any bearing on whether MS+Yahoo can beat Google or any of the hordes of little companies coming from Silicon Valley.

  6. Other reasons for not being warm to the reception by downix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft has only $17 billion in cash and easily liquidatable shares (almost all MSFT stock). A $44.6 billion bid requires them to "print money" ie Shares. This deal is absolutely horrid for any responsible stock analysist or stockholder for either company. WHat Microsoft is basically offering is to produce new shares, diluting ownership for all involved, which when paired with the rapid selloff upon deal conclusion, will drive the price of the stock downward even moreso than it has been since (It still hasn't recovered from the recession of '01). Add in that their operating cash is mostly stocks which would be driven down by this, you're looking at the potential for a bite more than they can chew.

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  7. More criticism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  8. Re:What makes a search engine worth so much ? by ishobo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yahoo is more than a search engine. The search part of the house is much smaller than the other properties.

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  9. Wha? Isnt being acquired the dream ? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The techies and engineers might respect the startups, the innovators and the one who finds the next big thing, But almost all the startups dream of being acquired by the big boys. In fact for the people with the money, the sugar daddies and the venture capitalists, being acquired is really the business plan.

    Vut that is true for the small startups. For a company that used to be a big boy itself, may be it is not a very "respectable" thing. But respect is probably over rated anyway.

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  10. Favors bottom-up innovation? What about Cisco? by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cisco is Silicon Valley's poster child for acquired innovation -- acquiring over 100 companies in the last 10 years (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Systems_acquisitions). Letting someone else's VCs pay for your R&D is a great way to always have the best of the best technology. And don't most of the Valley's VCs and "brain-power" cater to this growth-by-acquisition model. Isn't the exit strategy of a VC or serial entrepreneur defined by getting a Cisco, Google, or Microsoft to by the company?

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  11. Lewis Black's take on this ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steve Ballmer must be looking at this from Lewis Black's perspective:

    We need to build a big fuckin' thing. I don't care what it is, so long as it's big ... and it's a fuckin' thing!

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  12. MS loses to Google because of their choices by astrashe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    MS looses to Google because their management makes bad choices. At least their choices are bad when compared to Google's.

    MS's management will continue to make bad choices. If they had enough money to buy Google itself, and if anti-trust concerns weren't a factor, it wouldn't matter. They would break Google and push it into the ground. They problem isn't their strategic position. The problem is in between their ears.

    Look at Hotmail and Gmail. Hotmail was a very early web email service. MS bought them. Then they just let it sit there. MS people saw Oddpost coming down the road, and they should have gotten all pumped up with what was possible. That's apparently what happened at Google -- someone saw that fancy Oddpost ajax email client, and said, let's do this better than Oddpost is doing it.

    MS doesn't try to do much until someone pokes them with a stick, and a lot of times they don't do much even then. Right now the world is screaming at them about all of the things wrong with Vista, and their response is -- no, you are all STUPID, and we are right, and you just don't get how awesome Vista is.

    They're not fixing anything.

    They're the victims of their own monopoly. They're fat and stupid and lazy, and they think the world owes them success. They're insanely profitable, but it's because they're in the catbird seat, and not because they're earning it. They don't have to earn it, and because they don't feel the heat, they can't earn it.

    So you know, sit back in your lavish headquarters, and reminisce about how great it was to go out and threaten to cut off people's air supplies, and how wonderful the world was when you could bully people effectively.

    I feel bad for yahoo. I remember when it was just some page on a guy's workstation at stanford. They did a lot of great things. They don't deserve this ignominious fate.

    And there are stories floating around that yahoo people are saying -- there's no way in hell that we'll work for MS. So, MS, know that everyone dislikes you. And know that it's a direct consequence of your deliberately cultivated culture of bullying and thuggery.

    Everyone at yahoo knows that when you buy that company, you're going to break it, and that going to work on a day to day basis is going to suck. And believe it or not, that has a lot to do with why you will not beat google.

    Someday google will suck too. Their culture will rot, and dumb people will climb on top of the smart people. But that day is a long way off.

    So you know, go off and think about how to make sure my monitor will prevent me from playing unauthorized videos, or how to make my computer's audio system check up on the license status of my music. Because I'm your customer, and believe me, that's what I'm really pining away for. That's what I want more than anything. You know me so well it's scary sometimes.

  13. Re:This is what MS did before and it worked back t by Herschel+Cohen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Saying ... most wealthy, successful software company in the world is doomed to failure ... I don't read it that way, however, in business studies attempts to merge companies with differing cultures can devastate the acquiring company. Moreover, the business being fast paced can doom the pursuer to a more distant relative standing than the sum of the two companies' starting market shares. Take one of the examples you cited: HotMail, how long did it take MS to get that right? The danger is they may not have the time to get it right.

    I really doubt that MS will disappear due to this or other missteps, but that does not mean the probabilities are nil to none.
  14. But they already have Search by msgmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From what I can remember the aquisitions though have always been for technology they don't already own or do own but inferior. If it goes through they get Yahoo market share, but if they tinker with Yahoo too much most likely people will leave Yahoo since if they wanted to use Microsoft Search they would do. Market share is all well and good, but even with their combined market share they would still be a long way behind Google and Yahoo has nothing that I can see that could be classed as a "Killer App". If the sale does go ahead what is going to happen? Are they going to call it Microsoft Yahoo and have the run side by side with their current offerings? Also Yahoo is also a failing company with no direction, they even brought back an original founder to get things moving again but it has n't made any difference. Personally it does n't make any sense to me, but maybe I will be proved wrong time will tell.

  15. Re:Could it be .... by irtza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I doubt this will impact the economy much. Granted that if this deal goes ahead, many redundant jobs may be cut, but in the end I think that market forces would have forced further contraction in either Microsoft's own web initiatives or on yahoo's causing these people to be removed from there job anyways - look at the layoffs at yahoo that have already occurred. Despite my distaste for MS, this would probably be beneficial to the US economy. The real question is if there is still enough name recognition and resources within yahoo to merit such a move.

    Unfortunately for MS, the real threat to Google will most likely be from another startup kind of like what this article is getting at. What I find intersting is that if the patent system actually worked, one of the early search engines such as web crawler or alta vista would still control the market and companies such as Google and MS would have had to bow out secondary to valid patents. - and this would allow these companies in theory to grow their technology - plus they could use the patent clout to recruit the appropriate talent (in theory).

    In the end the thing that will hurt the US economy the most is globalization and the realization that intelligence and the ability to "create" isn't as valuable as it may seem. It can be converted to a commodity along with almost everything else.

    If soft engineers in this country want protection, they will most likely need a union and a licensing exam like lawyers and doctors

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