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Best Presidential Candidate, Republicans

A few days ago we posted a story for you to discuss the best presidential candidates for Super Tuesday, but I figured it would be an interesting idea to try that again, but split the discussion into 2 halves. This is the Republican half — please only discuss the Republican candidates in this story. Huckabee, McCain, and Romney only.

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  1. Ron Paul? by MikeD83 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No discussion over Ron Paul? What is this Fox News?

    1. Re:Ron Paul? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's the big deal with Ron Paul? And what kind of libertarian votes?

    2. Re:Ron Paul? by dlsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By that standard, Mike Huckabee is irrelevant, too.

    3. Re:Ron Paul? by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Polls a few days ago showed Huckabee leading in a few southern states. Granted, it's highly unlikely that he'll carry enough to actually do anything.... but he's splitting the conservative vote with Romney and handing the nomination to McCain in the process. Paul is not affecting this race.

    4. Re:Ron Paul? by nido · · Score: 4, Insightful

      he's not even going to get close to being chosen Last I checked, Maine came out with 56% for Romney, 21% for McCain, and 19% for Paul.

      McCain should hang his head in shame and drop out right now. 2% better than the dark horse candidate? That's pathetic.

      The establishment hates Ron Paul because his platform is to take their toys away. The economic collapse we are now experiencing makes the likelyhood of Paul running away with the Republican nomination increasingly likely as spring turns to summer.

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    5. Re:Ron Paul? by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a ploy by the slashdot editors. By omitting Ron Paul, they ensure he's the only one people will talk about.

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    6. Re:Ron Paul? by Helmholtz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, the post says "...discuss the best presidential candidates...". Granted, you may define "best" as having a chance of winning the nomination, as judged by your personal criteria. Perhaps other people define "best" differently, such as a candidate that actually talks about _why_ the current policies are not working and _why_ his policy recommendations will help to fix the problems caused by the current (and past) policies. I consider that kind of candidate to be "best". Much more so than ones that seem to be more concerned about keeping the mentos tooth sparkle at full gleam, while their sycophants kiss their glove.

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    7. Re:Ron Paul? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's the big deal with Ron Paul? And what kind of libertarian votes? Ron Paul isn't running as a Libertarian, he's on the the Republican ticket. That's what the big deal is. Malda is as guilty of media bias Fox News, CNN and all the rest. Congrats, Rob. You've managed to sell out and join the mainstream media. Isn't that something you swore you'd never do when you started Slashdot way back when?

    8. Re:Ron Paul? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, Kabloom, Paul is definitely NOT out of the running.

      As of today, no major newspaper has correctly reviewed the process at which actual delegates to the actual national convention are chosen. Most of the time, they come up with "estimated" delegates based purely on voter percentages. What isn't seen is that many States currently don't offer actual delegates, or delegates remain unpledged/uncommitted, or the number of delegates is unknown because the public voted for delegates to choose delegates to choose delegates.

      The power behind Paul as of right now is the hope that he can last out Super Tuesday with enough delegates to force the national convention to pick a candidate. This is truly an interesting perspective, solely because Paul is basing his campaign on two issues: the Iraq War and the Economy disturbed due to too many taxes, regulations, and restrictions. The rest of his policy (civil liberties, etc) aren't huge issues right now.

      If Paul can last to the national convention, and a brokered convention is required, Paul is hoping that the Iraq war goes further south, and that the economy continues to plummet. In this case, he has many wildcards available to actively compete for delegates once the first round of the brokered convention is over.

      Also remember that Paul is the only candidate other than Kucinich who still has the anti-war view. As more and more Americans start seeing the negatives of a trillion+ dollar war, people may start changing their minds, even this summer.

      I'm not here to espouse Paul's views, just to provide WHY Paul is still important to vote for if you're a Paul supporter -- a brokered convention will be huge.

      Also, if Paul supporters don't vote for Paul, and he runs third party, it can have an even worse effect on who will win. I love the chaos, so I support pushing the candidate selection to as late as possible. I think the national convention is in September, which could mean only 2 months to campaign against the Democrat. Nice!

    9. Re:Ron Paul? by Moryath · · Score: 4, Funny

      The problem with that strategy is, there's no way that Crazy Uncle Paul wins a brokered convention.

      Scarier, however, is McCain winning the nomination. Sad will be the day when the Republicans run a feminine version of Hillary Clinton.

    10. Re:Ron Paul? by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Funny

      Screw Ron Paul, where's the CowboyNeal option!?

    11. Re:Ron Paul? by qortra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What happen to them when political reality comes crashing in. What reality? We have been watching polls, primaries, and elections for decades believing that there is no hope. Now, all of a sudden, we have a candidate that is actually viable. He may not win, but this whole process has communicated something to everybody on the internet; there are large number of people out there who share the libertarian ideal of a simple government. Ron Paul is going to change Republican politics forever even if he doesn't win.

      I feel sorry for the Paulettes I believe the more ubiquitous appellation is "Ronulans".

      They've been working to elect the unelectable rather than working to change the obvious choices. Despite its syntactical correctness, I am having trouble parsing this sentence. I'm going to take a shot translate this to "you should support and vote for a shitty candidate". To which I respond, NO. I will sooner not vote than vote for a popular candidate whom I believe to be bad for this country.

      totally would have dugg your comment Here, moderation is a privilege that is earned, fortunately. You don't seem like the kind of person who would earn it. Clue - don't mock people, especially the reigning majority here.
    12. Re:Ron Paul? by Firehed · · Score: 5, Informative

      He just took about 20% of the Republican vote in Maine (a very close third), and took second place in NV. I don't think that qualifies as 'not affecting this race'. He outperformed Giuliani nearly everywhere before Mr. 9/11 dropped out, and nobody suggested that he wasn't affecting things.

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    13. Re:Ron Paul? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ron Paul is the Cowboy Neal option.

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    14. Re:Ron Paul? by KoshClassic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ah yes, the same circular logic used by the main stream media to ensure that only certain people have a chance to win.

      a) declare some candidates "viable", and some candidates "non-viable"
      b) only discuss the "viable" candidates and refuse to discuss the "non-viable" candidates, ensuring that only the "viable" candidates have any visibility with the electorate, and virtually disallowing the average voter to even consider voting for the "non-viable" candidate
      c) Use the resulting poll numbers to validate the declaration that some candidates are "viable" while others are "non-viable".
      d) wash, rinse, and repeat

      IMHO, any of the remaining candidates, including Ron Paul and Huckabee, is in reality a viable candidate. If any of them had a miraculous turn around, there are still more than enough delegates available for them to secure the nomination. So until someone has secured the nomination, I'd thank you to not tell me or anyone else who is or who is not a "viable" candidate.

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    15. Re:Ron Paul? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paul is not affecting this race.

      If you don't think that any of the other candidates are hearing the buzz around him and adjusting to steal some of that thunder, you're nuts.

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    16. Re:Ron Paul? by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 4, Funny

      I may be nuts, but at least I'm not supporting the Republican version of Dennis Kucinich. Zing!

    17. Re:Ron Paul? by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paul is +10% in several states. He possibly won Maine, its just that the whole caucus thing was ignored by the media, he MIGHT have won Louisiana, 66% of provisional ballots went uncounted, it was enough to hand paul the win as 80% of provisionals that were counted went to Paul delegates. There is an official complaint filed by the campaign to find out what happend (Essentially all the people who signed up as Republican's late november paperwork went unfiled)

    18. Re:Ron Paul? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 5, Funny

      My problem with McCain ... is that he's talked about putting Ballmer in his cabinet.
      [in the news from Feb. 9, 2009] Secretary of State Ballmer has vowed to "fucking kill" Iranian President Ahmadinejad in a chair throwing ceremony that took place earlier today in the Rose Garden.
    19. Re:Ron Paul? by weltschmerz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly what I was going to point out. I'm disgusted at how the Mainstream Media and others are creating this self-fulfilling prophecy by declaring Paul unelectable, and failing to cover him. For instance, the other day they were talking on CNN about fund raising, and completely ignored the fact that Ron Paul led all candidates in both parties last quarter in fund raising. They showed the GOP candidates and had Romney, McCain, and Huckabee in a 3-pane view -- and LEFT OUT the one candidate who beat them all. I hate to sound paranoid, but that is overt and clearly purposeful.

    20. Re:Ron Paul? by packeteer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1. Why is he running as a Republican?

      Because he embodies the true ideals of conservativism that the neo-cons have robbed from modern Republicans.

      2. Why is he STILL running?

      Because he still has a good shot, the only thing holding him back is when news outlets don't mention him at all. News outlets such as Slashdot.

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    21. Re:Ron Paul? by Xyrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Define hypocrisy: Slashdot.

      How many times have we seen people bitch about the state of civil liberties in this country? How many time have we seen people complain about corporate interests and lobbiests? How many times have people bitched about Bush, Cheney, war propoganda, and ridiculous spending of our government? How many times have people bitched about the Consititution being eviscerated?

      Finally, we get a candidate who has a 20 year voting record on fiscal responsibility and supporting thee cconstitution and what is the response from slashdot? Ron Paul is kook.

      Huh? Why? He supports the Constitution. He supports balanced budgets. He wants to get rid of government waste. He wants to get rid of lobbiests. He wants to repeal the PATRIOT and the Protect America acts. He wants to reinstate Habeaus Corpus. He wants to do just about every freakin' think that the Slashdot crowd has been bitching about for the past 7 years and somehow he is a kook?

      He doesn't believe in regulating the internet and is endorsed by the NTU as the person who would actually reduce taxes, cut spending, and balance the budget. Ron Paul even has a sign on his desk that says "Don't steal. The government hates competition.".

      He's pro-life. So what? He believes that the federal government has no say in it. He's not convinced of evolution. So what? He doesn't believe the government should be mandating what should be taught. He's not convinced of global warming? So what? He doesn't believe it's the federal governments responsibility to do what state regulations should cover (see EPA vs. California).

      He also actually understands the world community. Anyone who thinks that terrorists attack us for our freedoms have drank the kool-aid. The US has been screwing the Middle East over for the better part of a century. We've overthrown democratic governments. We've supported ruthless dictators. I mean for heaven's sake we are the ones who supported and trained Osama bin Laden.

      Do you think a non-interventionist foreign policy is crazy? Do you think that saber rattling and bombing threats are a more effective means of negotiation than diplomacy? Do you really think the US can AFFORD its current aggressive foreign policy?

      How many of you know that according to the GAO, that this country will be bankrupt in (best case scenario) a couple of decades?

      There is actually an honest politician with a completely consistent record of supporting the Constitution and sound principles that actually echo what slashdotters as a whole have been complaining about and all you can say is he is crazy. Has everyone swallowed the blue-pill?

      I would like to see a well reasoned argument as to why he is a kook. If you disagree on some of his platform, then fine. But that does not make him a kook.

      Other than Ron Paul, name one candidate who has voted or would vote against the war in Iraq. Name one candidate who is willing to bring the troops home. Name one candidate who understands the monetary policy behind a fiat currency and WHY the Fed is destroying our currency. Name another candidate who has actually followed through to uphold the oath of office. Name another candidate that does NOT have lobbiests in his campaign. Name another candidate that has consistently voted against pork. Name another candidate that has consistently voted against giving congressional raises. Name another candidate that actually returns unused funds back to the budget at the end of the year. Name another candidate that REFUESES to use any FEC funds because he believes that taxpayer dollars should not be used for campaigning.

      Ron Paul has been the candidate you've been asking for. And yet he is a kook. Only on slashdot.

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  2. For Reps: McCain by iknownuttin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Huckabee - Caters to the religious nuts - no way.

    Romney: just a gut feeling about him and I can't really place it - he's way too smooth. And to be honest, being a Mormon creeps me out a bit (gold tablets from God?!?) - as much as a devout Christian, or anything else would.

    McCain: I don't agree with everything he stands for (he's anti-abortion), but I love his attitude of fiscal conservativeness and straight talking.

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    1. Re:For Reps: McCain by jdunn14 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's something else to tout McCain for, his stance on torture. It's nice to hear someone just flat out say torture is bad and we shouldn't be doing it. Don't hem and haw about how what is torture and what isn't. Just say no. It doesn't get you reliable information and it's kind of hard to hold moral high ground with some guy blindfolded and strapped to a table in the next room.

    2. Re:For Reps: McCain by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's something else to tout McCain for, his stance on torture.

      Man, talk about a low bar to clear...

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    3. Re:For Reps: McCain by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Man, talk about a low bar to clear...

      And yet, so many of the other candidates have failed to clear it!

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  3. Re:Typical! by DurendalMac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh my God, freedom of speech definitely applies to a PRIVATE website setting outlines for discussion! Holy crap, your rights are so abridged!

    Fucking moron.

  4. Re:My candidate is not allowed? by WCMI92 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ENOUGH with the Ronulans...

    Ron Paul has a fanatical support base, at least they contribute money. And they are vocal all over the internet. However, this hasn't translated to him even breaking into the double digits, much less winning ANY of the primaries.

    He has as much chance of getting the nomination as I have. And I'm not running.

    I do think he has some good ideas, and some that are crazy. But I am really sick of the Ronulans spamming internet forums and polls. A lot of us are annoyed by you, and this actually harms your candidate.

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  5. Ron Paul by Speedy8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm just going to ignore the "No Ron Paul" discussion. He is the best candidate to vote for.

  6. Pro and Cons by Salgak1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    McCain
    Pros: experience in Washington
    Bush's Donor list
    "Maverick" Reputation broadens appeal to moderates, independents

    Negatives: Famous temper
    Conservative base loathes him
    "Washington Insider"
    Senators rarely do well as President
    Will hit funding bind (accepted Public Funding)

    Romney:
    Pros: Executive Management experience
    Can rely on personal funds
    Not a "Washington Insider"
    Governors often do well as President

    Negatives:
    Reputatation for switching positions
    Some will take his religion against him
    Slick image

    Huckabee:
    Pros: Willing to look at new solutions (i.e. "The Fair Tax")

    Negatives:
    The entire "religious right" issue
    Lack of broad appeal outside the evangelical right

  7. Clarification by lbmouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it "The Best Presidential Candidate" or "The Presidential Candidate that has the Best Nomination Chance"?

    The Best Presidential Candidate ~ Ron Paul
    The Presidential Candidate that has the Best Nomination Chance ~ John McCain *sigh*

  8. Re:What about Ron Paul? by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking of Ron Paul, etc ...:

    Q. A plane with Huckabee, McCain, and Romney crashes. Who's saved?
    A. The United States.

    (Disclaimer: Honestly, I think with the way things are going, nobody can "fix" this mess)

  9. Re:My candidate is not allowed? by bunratty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Switch the the new Opera browser! It's fantastic! It has a new de-Ronulizer feature that removes all those annoying Ron Paul posts! Why haven't you switched to Opera yet? Get it now!!!1!!! It's da best! It's liek the Ron Paul of the browser world!1!!!!1!

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  10. Re:To all those complaining about Ron Paul by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

    You cannot deny that the guy has a couple of screws loose.

    Not for me to deny it, it's your assertion so it's up to you to prove it. Give it your best shot.

    what Ron Paul is suggesting is completely restructuring the entire nation, top to bottom.

    Resuming the rule of law, and actually following the constitution is "restructuring the entire nation"? I'll admit we've got a lot of things to fix, but I don't see that our situation is quite as hopeless as you seem to.

    -jcr

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  11. Re:Those candidates are lame by Helmholtz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, because "No Child Left Behind" is working _so_ well. Okay, I guess it is working well, in turning children into fact spewing test takers with little to no capacity to manipulate or assimilate information outside the confines of a multiple choice test.

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  12. The US bizarre fascination for religion in politic by Etyenne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am not an American (I live north of the border) and I do not know much about the candidates in this race. However, I find it utterly bizarre and disturbing that religion take such a huge place in American politics. I don't think the faith of a candidate (or lack thereof) had ever been an issue in Canadian politic since I started voting 15 years ago. And I doubt it is different anywhere else in the West except the US.

    In this light, how is Huckabee received in geek circle ? I like to think people in tech are, on average, smart and rational. Does he received any support from this crowd ?

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  13. Re:My candidate is not allowed? by EllisDees · · Score: 4, Informative

    >However, this hasn't translated to him even breaking into the double digits, much less winning ANY of the primaries.

    He broke double digits this past weekend in the Maine caucus, getting 19% of the vote. He trounced Huckabee, who only got 6%, yet Paul is supposed to be excluded from this discussion for some bizarre reason.

    He's on the ballot here in Ohio, and I'm going to vote for him since I agree with him far more than I agree with any of the other candidates.

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  14. Re:Typical! by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Funny

    so you are pretty much completely pissing into the wind This great little phrase is best enjoyed when you take the time to actually envision it.
  15. Least bad choice? by cryptoguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looks highly unlikely that anyone other than McCain or (less likely) Romney can win the nomination. If Huckabee were to withdraw, Romney would have a better chance. But it will probably be McCain.

    Conservative Republicans have a dilemma. The candidates most aligned with the conservative base are unlikely to win a national election against either of the Democratic contenders. Would they prefer McCain to beat Clinton/Obama in a national election, or Romney to lose to the Democrats? So do conservatives want to make a point on principle and vote for someone who has no shot at winning? Or do they want to choose what would be the lesser of two evils in the long run? Despite McCain's highly questionable conservative credentials, he is a far better option for conservatives than either of the Democrats.

    Despite his obvious popularity among heavy users of the internet, Ron Paul has no shot at the White House. National polls have his support in the low single digits. It's not going to happen.

    1. Re:Least bad choice? by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you (and others) have so much faith in polls of people who pick up their landlines when Caller ID says Unknown Caller?

      I trust them a lot more than the folks who see "Unknown Caller", then run and hide under the bed...

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  16. Arguments by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About 100 posts in, and only opinions and "go this-or-that-guy!".

    As a european I don't have a vote in this, but us europeans will have to deal with whomever you USians vote into office. That didn't turn out particularly well the last few times, so it'd be nice to know what we can expect this time.

    Give some arguments please!

    What policies does X support and why does Y think that's the wrong way to go?

    It doesn't matter whether you like somebody's smile, what their F-ing religion is or how rich they are. What matters is what they plan on doing if they become president.

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  17. Re:To all those complaining about Ron Paul by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't help but feel he has some motive that he is hiding, something he is waiting to spring up on us.

    The man has a very long track record, and I checked out his voting record. If he has some hidden agenda, could it be worse than undeclared wars, debasement of the currency, violating the rights of habeas corpus and the right to keep and bear arms, imprisoning thousands of POWs of the War on (some) Drugs, or arresting cancer patients?

    Things are so bad that even when a politician says what I want to hear (and in a sincere way), I still can't trust him.

    I know how you feel. Reagan let me down on draft registration, and several other very important issues. Nevertheless, RP's record is exemplary.

    -jcr

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  18. Re:Incoming Flamewar in 5... by nfinzer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To deny that there IS a very obvious media bias against Ron Paul would be ridiculous. Two quick examples: during both the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, CNN had up a pie chart for both the Democrats and the Republicans showing each candidate's percentage of the vote. Ron Paul had around 10% both times, yet his "slice" of the pie was solid black with no name attached to it, while Democrats like Biden who had single digit percentages had their names shown. Second example is Ron Paul's second place finishes in Nevada and Louisiana and the complete non-reporting of it. The articles I saw were along the lines of "Mitt finishes first, McCain third." with never a mention of second. And on the subject if it being crazy not to allow Ron Paul discussion in this, "me too!". He has just as much chance of winning the nomination as Huckabee (next to none, and yes I'm a RP supporter). I don't think Huckabee should be excluded either, they should both be allowed, if for no other reason that mathematically they all have a chance still, at least until after Super Tuesday. But also leaving him out will probably generate more discussion of him than including him. You know how we 'Paulbots' are,

  19. Mike Huckabee by Anonymous+Admin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a resident of Arkansas, I can tell you the following.

    1. Huckabee does not hold prayer meetings on the lawn. He administers. He is perfectly able to distinguish between his beliefs and the need for
    administration. The schools are in much better shape now than they have been in the history of Arkansas. The roads are in better shape than ever.
    2. When he came to office, there was a 200 million deficit. When he left office, in spite of doing all the above, there was an 800 million surplus.
    This was true even though he cut taxes every single year he was in office. He balanced the budget every single year, as a good administrator should.
    This has nothing to do with being a preacher. it is simply the mark of a good administrator.
    3. His proposals for the rebuilding of American infrastructure, taxation, immigration, health care, etc, on the national level simply make sense.
    Using nothing but his history as a benchmark, I can tell you that unlike 99% of other politicians, he does not talk out of both sides of his mouth.
    He says what he believes and then stands behind it. It is my belief (obviously) that he is the best choice for American President.

    Huckabee vs. Obama would be a fight worth watching.

  20. Re:To all those complaining about Ron Paul by Pojut · · Score: 4, Informative

    But he's pro-life. Big show stopper.


    I feel about this subject and Ron Paul the same way I feel about my room mate. He was adopted as a kid because his parents couldn't afford to raise him, so instead of an abortion they put him up. As a result, he is vehemently against abortion. However, he still thinks that it should be up to an individual state whether they want to honor Roe v. Wade...just like Ron Paul. He thinks it's an abomination that should be stopped, but thinking about what would be "best" for the country as opposed to what they personally would prefer to see happen. This is one of the things about Ron Paul that I really like.acknowledges that it should be the states decision, not the federal governments. Regardless, he still thinks it isn't the morally correct thing to do, but doesn't think it should be made outright illegal.

    I like that. They both have a very strong opinion about a touchy subject, but are

    For what it's worth, I am pro-choice but against late-term abortions (unless the mother's life is threatened)...by that time, you should have been able to figure out if you wanted the kid or not.
  21. A bit of McCain history ... by DarrenR114 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let us not forget that McCain isnt exactly scandal-free.

    He was one of the infamous Keating Five who played no small part in bring about the savings & loan crisis.

    That small debacle has ended up costing this nation $30 BILLION. It was very similar in nature to the current mortgage crisis.

    Here this nation sits on the verge of yet another financial crisis of larger proportions and people are supporting putting one of the biggest screw-ups from the last time in the Oval Office

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  22. Best Presidential Candidate for Republicans by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Funny

    This candidate looks presidential - somewhat like John Adams.
    This candidate has Senate experience.
    This candidate hews to many of the accepted neoconservative principles.
    This candidate early on supported the Iraq war.
    This candidate's nomination would galvanize the conservative voters.
    Republicans, I present to you:
    Hillary Clinton (R)

    1. Re:Best Presidential Candidate for Republicans by DrLang21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Amusingly I have heard from a handful of diehard Republicans that if it comes down to John McCain and Hilary Clinton, they just might vote for Clinton.

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    2. Re:Best Presidential Candidate for Republicans by rizzo420 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even more amusingly, I have heard the exact opposite from diehard Democrats that if it comes down McCain or Clinton, they'd go for McCain.

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  23. The flamebait race by ObiWanStevobi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Watching the Republican primary play out, I am thoroughly amazed the Republican party can remain intact. Since McCain has emerged as the front-runner, it seems like half the party is threatening to stay home. It was even worse when Huckabee won Iowa and was picking up steam. I don't understand how the party can survive with so many factions that hate each other.

    The fiscal conservatives despise Huckabee, the social conservatives despise McCain, the previously unheard of libertarian wing has found Ron Paul, and is despised by everyone, and likewise hates everyone else, for the most part. Romney gets dinged by everyone for blowing in the wind like John Kerry 2004.

    Each group in the GOP feels slighted by the other. Fiscal Conservatives have had to watch government and spending grow out of control the last 8 years. Pro-lifers only have one candidate left in the primaries and he is fading fast. While McCain has always been pro-life, he has not been pro-life enough for them. His willingness to compromise on judges is heresy to them. Romeny has only been pro-life as long as he has been running for president. The 'minutemen' wing of the party has gotten no real action on their pet issue over the last 8 years, and have no one to look forward to in 08.

    Regardless of who the nominee is, they will not come out the primaries clean, and will not have a good chance come November. The GOP is due for a cleansing and rebirth to become a more coherent party.

  24. Re:My candidate is not allowed? by (H)elix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... has a fanatical support base, at least they contribute money

    Looks like people contributed a lot of money. The finances are worth mentioning for all the major Republican candidates. One of the things that surprised me as I drilled down into the numbers, is for all of the candidates, most of the funding was done at the individual level rather than PAC money. I was not expecting that.

    Romney, Mitt
    Q4 raised: $26,928,433
    Q4 spent: $33,713,503
    Total raised: $88,499,686
    Total spent: $86,068,239
    Cash: $2,431,447
    Debt: $35,350,000

    McCain, John
    Q4 raised: $9,714,246
    Q4 spent: $10,254,446
    Total raised: $41,102,178
    Total spent: $38,153,750
    Cash: $2,948,428
    Debt: $4,516,030

    Paul, Ron
    Q4 raised: $19,873,329
    Q4 spent: $17,478,711
    Total raised: $28,101,264
    Total spent: $20,262,084
    Cash: $7,839,421
    Debt: $0

    Huckabee, Mike
    Q4 raised: $6,637,063
    Q4 spent: $5,391,918
    Total raised: $8,986,532
    Total spent: $7,090,087
    Cash: $1,896,446
    Debt: $97,676

    By way of comparison, Giuliani, who recently dropped out of the race...

    Total Receipts: $60,929,240
    Total Spent: $48,152,428
    Cash on Hand: $12,776,812
    Debts: $1,166,509

    Wow... just wow... That sort of spending puts drunken sailors to shame.

  25. Re:Incoming Flamewar in 5... by kabocox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And on the subject if it being crazy not to allow Ron Paul discussion in this, "me too!". He has just as much chance of winning the nomination as Huckabee (next to none, and yes I'm a RP supporter). I don't think Huckabee should be excluded either, they should both be allowed, if for no other reason that mathematically they all have a chance still, at least until after Super Tuesday. But also leaving him out will probably generate more discussion of him than including him. You know how we 'Paulbots' are,

    I don't pay attention to any of the election stuff. Some one mentioned that it was an election year so I had a brief look at who was under each party. I can't tell you how shocked that Huckabee was on the list. I didn't know. I'm from Texarkana and actually went to the Baptist Church that Huckabee preached at for years before running for governor. At times like this, I'd like to say that I was paying attention to give the guy from the state a pat on the back and say vote for him. The only state programs that my family made use of was some state college scholarships, WIC (Women in Childern I think. Basically coupons to get pregnant and new mothers healthy food. Best state program ever.) and ArKids which is a low cost state health insurance.

    I can't really tell you that I've noticed anything else that he has done. On a side note, most people around here actually liked Huckabee. I can't tell you a single person around here that thought Clinton would be good for the country or anything. I think that most folks from Arkansas supported Clinton for two reasons: He was from Arkansas, and it got his family out of the state. I thought the whole Huckabee running for president was a joke. After thinking about it though, I think that he actually has a fair shot at it. I think that he would make a better showing if he was some one's VP. Huckabee is moderate middle of the road kinda of preacher. Guys like him would be useful for the moderate Republicans and the middle of the road Christian crowd. His most useful things is that he can bend to get some things done, and that he can play that religion card against folks that are far more religious extremist than him.

    O.k. those that hate anything doing with religion and would instantly vote against any church member, much less a preacher, will never like Huckabee. Those that understand how a preacher can bend and get most of his followers to at least give it a try for a while will see that Huckabee could be good for the general Republican party. I think Huckabee and Ron Paul both have that snowball's chance in hell of actually winning, but I thought Clinton had the same chances of winning and that Huckabee had that same chances of winning his bid for governor so what the heck do I know?

  26. Re:Oooh, so much karma for me to burn... by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a Christian, myself, but I'm also a non-voter (actually, an anti-voter).

    Nonetheless, what you wrote was pure drivel. Let's look:

    Well, as one of those right-wing neo-con theocrats, I would like to thank you for supporting a candidate (RON PAUL!!!1!!1!!one!!!) that believes in creationism, wants a constitutional ban on abortions, believes in prayer in schools, opposes gay marriage (or anything gay, for that matter), and wants to kick all the non-Americans out of the country.

    1. Ron's belief in creationism has nothing to do with how Paul would run education in the United States. Education is best left to the towns, and the school boards, not the States and for sure not the Federal government. Paul's idea to abolish the inefficient and pandering Department of Education is the first step to returning the education power, and responsibility, to the parents. Paul's not against "public" education, he's against inefficient Federal regulation of it.

    2. Paul hasn't taken a Presidential position on abortion, other than it shouldn't be a Federal issue. I am also against Roe v. Wade, even though I am not anti-abortion (I am not pro-abortion, either). I am against Roe v. Wade because it usurps State powers. In terms of abortion, I have one opinion: if you are against the idea of abortion, the best way to change the tide is to adopt unwanted children, and support the ability to adopt by financially supporting adopting couples. I would never condemn abortion as murder or as a crime, because the crime for a Christian is to not offer an opportunity to a pregnant woman in need.

    3. Prayer in schools has nothing to do with the Federal government. If an individual wishes to pray, the 1st Amendment is clear on their right to. Organized prayer in schools is another issue, but the Federal government is part of the problem: it nearly mandates that public education MUST be available. In Bible Belt districts, private education is a better option, but the Federal and State laws preclude the idea of dissolving forced financial support for local schools.

    I pay a LOT in property taxes ($5000+ per annum). I am very vocal at my school board meetings, and I happily call the teachers thieves when they ask for more money, and the administrators fraudsters when they lie about the budget. Over the past 2 years, I've brought around 30% of the parents at the meetings to my side, and I have a good feeling that we will elect a downsizer to the school board. Note, I still don't vote, but I am vocal in my detraction against theft for "education." I have no kids, yet, and when I do, I will have enough saved to make a wise education decision.

    4. Paul has no opinion on gay marriage, in fact he has said repeatedly in this campaign that if two people want to unite under contract, it is their right to. He also said it is YOUR right to ignore any contract you are not a part of. If you marry within a faith, most faiths have support structures in place for others in that faith to acknowledge your marriage. Marriage is NOT a government responsibility. If ten people want to intermarry in an orgy of love, so be it. I don't have to acknowledge it, except the law forces me to. Ridiculous. Paul wants to disconnect marriage and government completely. He would support gays marrying, as long as no one had to give them special treatment. He would be against straights marrying, if it forced others to give them special treatment.

    5. I disagree completely on Paul's immigration position, but I also hate paying for anyone's education, health care, and lifestyle unless they've personally come to me for help. My wife and I take the Muslim belief to give alms to the poor who ask for help. We give about 3% of our income to the poor who come asking for help. We also buy food, pay utilities in winter, and help poor people get jobs. I helped two neighbors (poor!) get jobs shoveling walkways this winter, and their families are over $1000 richer each. I help the poor with charity, not aggression or entitlements. The (legal or illegal) immigrants who steal from me are just as bad as the citizens who steal from me.

  27. Re:Those candidates are lame by Thoguth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    News flash: Most public education is currently handled by the States. If the U.S. Department of Education went away, public education would still be around. Public education in some States would be worse for it, but other States would be greatly relieved that to have Federal interference out of their system.

    There is a meme-disease that has infested our society, spread by power-grubbing politicians and money-hungry corporate interests (including the sound-bite-driven media.) It is the idea that if there is a problem, the Federal government should fix it. Any problem, great or small, anywhere in the country, is in need of a Federal "fix." There needs to be a new cabinet-level department, or a Federal bill, or a Constitutional Amendment, or a Supreme Court ruling, or a "War On *" to fix it.

    You hear it from Obama. His resounding "Yes We Can" is saying "Yes, we, the Federal Government, can fix everything that's wrong!" You hear it from Hillary, or anyone else promoting Federal government-provided healthcare. You hear it also from McCain, Romney and Huckabee. You hear it, with a slightly different tune, from mainstream evangelical Christians -- the problems are different, but the solution, Federal Government enforcement of morality to "fix" immorality, is the same.

    The problem with the idea is that it overlooks all the other options for fixing a problem.

    When there is a problem:
    - You or I can fix it
    - You or I can educate people on its existence and what they can do to fix it
    - You or I can start a non-profit organization dedicated to fixing it
    - You or I can (potentially) start a business that makes money by fixing it
    - Existing local businesses can make money by fixing it
    - Local religious groups can (possibly) work to fix it
    - Local non-religious non-profit organizations can help to fix it
    - Local governments can help to fix it
    - Larger / regional businesses can make money by fixing it
    - Larger / regional non-profit and/or religious groups can fix it
    - State governments can fix it
    - National / Global non-profits can fix it
    - National / Global corporations can fix it
    - The Federal government can fix it

    If a flood wiped out your city, who would you be most relieved to see: someone from the Red Cross (National / Global organization) or someone from FEMA?

    If you just discovered you had heart disease and needed a triple bypass, who would you rather have handle it: your local top-100 heart hospital (could be for-profit, non-profit or religious), or the National Institute of Health?

    If your kid is getting a poor education, who would you trust to fix it: a private school (also could be for-profit, non-profit, or religious, or even yourself if you aren't averse to homeschooling), or the Department of Education?

    If there's a problem with people with drug addictions, who often turn to crime, who should fix it, a doctor, or the Federal government?

    If there's a problem with internet regulation, who should fix it, ICANN or the U.S. Government? (Even the suckiest-run nonprofits seem less scary than the prospect of the US Government meddling in that.)

    If there's a problem with one group of people who don't approve of the morality of another group of people, who should provide the solution? The groups who have the problem working it out with each other, or the Federal Government enforcing the will of the more populous group on the other?

    The Federal Government was created to make peace between the States, to defend the States from outsiders, and to guarantee "Liberty and Justice for all." As long as it sticks to that basic plan it can do a lot of good, but when we look at the Federal government as "Mr. Fix Everything" we are setting ourselves up for trouble not just in things getting "Fixed" up in the FUBAR sense, but also in conflicts of interest, some subtle and some not-so-subtle, between fixing-problems and "Liberty and Justice for All"

    I'm reluctant to water down the message by adding a cliche, but if eve

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  28. My impressions of the FOUR remaining republicans by aarongadberry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Romney

    I like the executive experience. I believe government should be run more like a business because businesses by and large have less waste. Their success actually depends on it, whereas government's does not. I like that he's a former governor, but the Mormon thing bugs me. I'm worried about voting for someone that believes God was once a man like us and that we will one day be Gods like Him. Also I dislike that he is in favor of gun control legislation, when the 2nd amendment clearly states "Congress shall make no law." Perhaps the biggest problem I have with Romney though is his flip flop on abortion. I'm pro-life, but he ran on pro-choice and then did not stick to it once he was elected. I understand he had a crisis of conscience once in office with legislation in front of him, but now I see him as the type of individual that could change a stance on virtually anything if the argument was persuasive enough.

    McCain

    The guy would make a good enough general, but a horrible republican nominee. He could not beat either Clinton or Obama. The country is sick of the war, and he wants to continue it and start new ones too. He's been accused of being less conservative than Clinton. He is one of the Democrats go to guys when they need a few more votes to push legislation through. Even on his understanding of the Iraq war he has flip flopped. http://www.gadberry.com/aaron/2008/01/08/mccain-vs-mccain/ Romney is much more electable, even with the Mormon thing.

    Huckabee

    He wants to take back the nation for Christ. I'm not sure that it ever belonged to Christ, unless he's talking about the Monarchy we lived under before the Revolution. He supports a 23% flat (fair) tax. While I understand a consumption tax, I disagree with a 23% federal tax while in my area we already have a 7.75% sales tax. That brings my sales tax up to 30.25%. Huckabee is even less conservative than McCain. Granted, he has no flip flopping on abortion, gay rights, etc, because those are religious viewpoints, he literally wants a theocracy. He wants to legislate morality. That just doesn't work.

    Paul

    He's the kind of man that founded our country. He wants to get rid of the massive amounts of government that slipped in during the last ~250 years. He wants to take us back to the time when elected officials were "serving". Unlike the other's running he actually is a conservative and doesn't change his positions. I honestly believe if there was no media bias that he would get more attention. I'm not sure if it's cause the FED gives money to media, or if the media enjoys their ability to lobby, or if it's something else If you look at his record on voting the major issues he has been consistent and right 100% of the time. It may not come out until later that he was right, for example on the Iraq war, but he has always made the right decisions.

    I guess it's obvious I support Paul, but the facts are the facts, and I think it's about time we had a man like our founding fathers in charge.

  29. Re:Oooh, so much karma for me to burn... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you really know who you're voting for? I mean, not that I mind: I'm a Republican, so I can live with all of the above, even if some of them have strong kook-factor. I'm afraid, though, that most Ronulans are ignorant of any of his positions other than the war in Iraq, or you'd think twice about voting for him. This seems to be one of those Ron Paul memes that everybody's trying to spread about him. "How many people would support Ron Paul if they knew his positions on issues except Iraq?" I have met several Ron Paul supporters, and none of them have been ignorant on his positions. They may not agree with all of them, but then again, who agrees with any candidate on every issue? The other Ron Paul memes are "Fringe candidate Ron Paul" and "Ron Paul can't win". Just imagine if every story written about Obama or Romney had those lines in them? The fact of the matter is, Ron Paul supporters know what he stands for, but the press does their best job to try and steer people who DON'T know what he stands for away from him by writing about him in this matter or else excluding any mention of him, much like Slashdot has just demonstrated.
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  30. Super Tuesday (Re:Ron Paul?) by mikehoskins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think anyone should ever be excluded from debate, polls, etc., until after Super Tuesday. After Super Tuesday, start trimming down to those that have a snowball's chance or better. Until then, the media is deciding the primaries for you.

    I also wish for polling blackouts, until the last polls close in the "last state's latest polling location", whenever that is. As soon as all polls are closed, let us drink from the firehose of polling data. I wouldn't call this censorship. In fact, covering every sneeze with a "3% margin of error" affects the outcome (kinda sounds like Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle, a bit, but I digress). Let's go back to the spirit of the Secret Ballot, not just the letter...

    Otherwise, the race is being shaped by CNN, Fox, Slashdot, whatever. Want an example of that? Why did Giuliani get to debate, when Ron Paul didn't? Giuliani got 0 delegates (until just before he dropped out) and often got very poor polling data. (Tom Tancredo didn't get invited, either, after awhile, but that's another story, and he dropped out early).

    If the media has already told us who the winners and losers are -- starting with Iowa and New Hampshire (but to predict anything that early is utterly insane) -- then people start tending to vote for those that are "electable". Actually, until February 5 (this year's Super Tuesday), anybody's "electable".

    You know, Super Tuesday has so many delegates, that mathematically anyone left in the race could win, however likely or unlikely. It's extremely unlikely, yet mathematically very possible, that Ron Paul could be facing Mike Gravel in November (now there's a long shot).

    Am I glad that Giuliani's out? You bet! (If it were Giuliani vs. Democrat in November, I would have considered voting third-party for President).

    Yet this isn't the prerogative of the mainstream press. This is the prerogative of the voter, or *should* be. Do I wish that Ron Paul was winning and that he had a fair shake, from the beginning? Absolutely. (It's too late, now. And, I know it's entirely probable that if he had a fair shake, that he'd still not be in first place, but that's another matter).

    So, the media goes from reporting the news in an unbiased way (journalism), to making the news (editorial).

    Unfortunately, since the media once again decided for us already (instead of just reporting the facts), and since we are faced with lousy "electable" Republicans, I'd vote in this order, based on who's left:
        Ron Paul (but now cast as a loser in the media)
    ...write-in candidate Ronald Reagan (deceased and thus truly unelectable)...
    ...great distance...

        Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee (probably in that order)
    ...great distance...

        John McCain

    No, I'm not a "Ronulan" (except maybe in the Ronald Reagan sense) although I don't consider that an insult. He's just the best candidate this term, Republican or Democrat.

  31. Re:"None of the above" by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe that's his plan, but it sort of defeats the purpouse of having a gold standard if you arbitrarily raise the value of your bedrock commodity.

    That's exactly how the gold standard works! As a result of the gold standard, gold is considered more valuable because it is legal tender. Gold is just another form of fiat currency, albeit one that requires more effort to mine and store. Instead of artificially raising the value of gold by using gold as legal tender, some very clever people figured out that you could artifically raise the value of sheets of cloth paper with paintings of dead presidents printed on them, and it serves the same purpose without the market distortion caused by using a real commodity as legal tender.

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  32. Media = Effort to exclude Ron Paul since day 1 by kiddailey · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm amazed that people still believe get the circular reasoning behind the media's excuse to not cover Ron. As you said, without coverage, he will never climb in the polls and the media has, since very early last year, made AN ACTIVE EFFORT TO KEEP RON PAUL OUT OF THE DISCUSSION.

    A growing list of media blackout events has been, and continues to be documented at RonPaulTimeline.com. The greatest grassroots movement for a presidential candidate in history, being ignored by the media, is also being documented there. Some examples:
    • Ron's name has almost never been mentioned and his photo almost never shown when listing the candidates since day 1
    • Newspapers have "accidentally" forgot to run full-page, grassroots ads for Ron
    • The media consistently has called him "fringe," "dark horse," and "having no chance" since day 1
    • Repeated attempts to exclude Ron from the debates have happened
    • A network re-aired a GOP debate with Ron Paul segments removed
    • A network have run Associated Press articles with Ron Paul references removed

    The reason that we get less-than-adequate choices for candidates year after year is because WE LET the media make the choices for us! If you don't believe this or don't understand why, then you're not really paying attention. With this article, Slashdot has proven that it is no better than any of the major news outlets, and the comments prove that Slashdot readers are as much sheeple as the rest of America.