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Obsolete Technical Skills

Ponca City, We Love You writes "Robert Scoble had an interesting post on his blog a few days ago on obsolete technical skills — 'things we used to know that no longer are very useful to us.' Scoble's initial list included dialing a rotary phone, using carbon paper to make copies, and changing the gas mixture on your car's carburetor. The list has now been expanded into a wiki with a much larger list of these obsolete skills that includes resolving IRQ conflicts on a mother board, assembly language programming, and stacking a quarter on an arcade game to indicate you have next. We're invited to contribute more."

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  1. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by Zondar · · Score: 5, Informative

    I guess they're forgetting about things like optimized device drivers, true performance-oriented embedded systems architectures, microcode segments, and anything to do with hardware development.

  2. Assembly coding isn't obsolete... by HappyOscar · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you have to write bootloaders and a very small number of other programs or routines. For most purposes, yes, it's rather counterproductive.

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  3. It's a crap list. by d3m0nCr4t · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a list that states what the author doesn't do any more, but it's quite arrogant to assume he speaks for everyone.

  4. Assembly language is obsolete? by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm neither a console programmer nor a demoscener, but isn't assembly very much alive and kicking in these two fields?

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    1. Re:Assembly language is obsolete? by sqldr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Assembler on "risc"? One of the reasons for not using risc is to make assembly programming easier, because you don't have to do every little thing yourself.

      The ARM Risc is a joy to program. 15 general purpose registers that could be used with any instruction, conditional instructions, I could go on all night. This caters perfectly to the needs of assembly. The only thing that x86 caters for is the need for compatibility with the 8086.

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  5. Re:But what is going to be obsolete ? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

    So - predicting the future is not that hard for the most part - for example, C - will it survive or not? I'd say that seeing linux popularity and the things people do with C today its going to stick around for at least the time it takes to build a new open source OS - something like 4 years at least. C++ - some people like it, others hate it, if Java will continue getting better, who knows?

    Everything which is written in Java uses C.

    Everything which is written in C uses Assembler.

    Everything which is written in Assembler uses machine code.

    And so on.

  6. Funny, I wrote in assembly language only last year by slashbart · · Score: 2, Informative

    Writing a interrupt driving task switcher for uCos-II, completely impossible in even C.

    Bart.

    P.S. developing on Rabbit microcontrollers sucks for large applications. Dynamic-C is a toy, and the Softools compiler is buggy as hell.

  7. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by Oscaro · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't think GCC works that way. Actually, it does. You can use "gcc -S" to write the assembly output on a file. I find it very instructive, and you can see the effects of the various optimization options...
  8. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by Technician · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would say understanding and using the manual octal grouped switches on the front of a PDP11/35 is high on the list. Using the halt/run switch is a lost art.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pdp-11-40.jpg
    Running a shmoo curve on magnetic core memory is an obsolete skill.
    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/20/22897/01066073.pdf?arnumber=1066073

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  9. - Putting a needle on a vinyl record? by davepermen · · Score: 1, Informative

    Hm.. I'm a DJ. This is sort of daily business for me. Granted, nowadays we have a lot of other options, but its still alive and kicking. Vinyl just feels great, as you have the music sort of "in your hands". (and yes, I'm using Vinyl Tracks, CD Tracks over CD Players, Mp3 over Vinyl with Traktor Scratch, Mp3 over CD with Traktor Scratch, Traktor over Midi using a Faderfox DJ2, etc.. and all combinations of it...). Actually, I'd love to have vinyl control for much more work than just for DJ'ing. Imagine a Turntable between the video editing PC. Using the turntable, you could very rapid move trough the whole video, search a certain place, scratch trough to watch animations, find specific frames, etc. Would be quite usable (and sort of gets used in VJing.. but I'd love to use it for generic video cutting).

  10. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by nogginthenog · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a compiler on CP/M which generated assembly and sent the output to an assembler. I don't think GCC works that way. It probably generates machine code directly. Maybe it has a symbolic "assembly" layer inside.

    Actually most compilers work this way.
  11. Re:All skills are of value by skarekrough43 · · Score: 2, Informative

    As long as there are guitar players in the world you'll have work.

  12. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by PhilHibbs · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a compiler on CP/M which generated assembly and sent the output to an assembler. I don't think GCC works that way. It probably generates machine code directly.
    There is a very close to 1:1 mapping between assembly language and machine code. The only thing assembly gives you that machine code doesn't is readability and labels.
  13. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The machines I use every day don't even have floppy drives. The article points out that this is a niche skill, not one that's widely useful. For what it's worth, I write a lot of assembly language code but it's all for Atmel AVRs.

  14. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by pgillan · · Score: 2, Informative

    At several points I've taken assembly classes, and I've come away from them feeling like I learned some incredibly valuable information about how computers "actually" work, at their most fundamental level. The odd thing is, though, that I can't remember anything specific about assembly. Nothing. I know it informed some of my thinking about other things, and I probably have answers to questions I wouldn't otherwise have known, but I couldn't tell you what or why. That being said, I also recommend it for anyone who works with computers, for some reason.

  15. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by Aehgts · · Score: 3, Informative
    I completely agree with the sentiment, but the examples are a little behind...
    Here's a programmable pen, couldn't find a bicycle lamp, so here's a NetBSD Toaster instead, for 4096 levels of burned bread and a web server.

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  16. Re:Carb settings? by jd678 · · Score: 3, Informative
    No, it isn't a carb. It's single point injection, aka throttle body injection.

    Have a good look around the car and you might notice the mono-motronic ecu, the catalytic converter, the fuel pump for the injection system. Take the air filter housing off and you'll spot the injector aswell...

  17. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by doti · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or figuring out what the C++ (or any other) compiler does. When you're concerned about performance, you may need to be sure that your template/virtual function/whatever is properly optimized. Use the gcc option to output assembly code, and study it.

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  18. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by Anonymuous+Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't think GCC works that way. It probably generates machine code directly.
    No, GCC generates plain old text assembly, then calls the assembler (as) on that.

    In fact, the gcc or g++ commands are 'drivers' that first call a preprocessor, then a compiler, then an assembler and finally a linker (all of them separate executables).

  19. Decoding an MVS JCL SysAbend dump by ed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Back in my young day the dread OC7 Abnormal ending of a cobol PROGRAM MEANT A LOT OF FERRETING AROUND hEXADECIMAL CODE

    Days thankfully gone

    But boy, I miss COBOL

  20. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Games almost always use assembler for vector and matrix math functions, because speed is critical and explicitly using SSE is more reliable than hoping that your compiler can figure out how to turn a long list of multiplies and adds into the appropriate SSE instructions.

    However the most common use of lots of assembler is compilers. Not just traditional source->executable compilers, but JIT recompilers are in every emulator that wants a sensible amount of speed.

  21. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nope, you can put it in a 1.44 disk but you're not forced to.

    Small and fast OSes aren't exactly a niche for floppy-obsessed old timers. Think about handhelds, cellphones etc.
    Current cellphones OSes for example are way slower than those produced 7-8 years ago because they're putting in tons of features, but you can't have both a fast processor and a decent battery charge duration because battery technology doesn't progress comparably fast, so even the portables market would benefit from using a bit more asm or C and less Java and similar obscenities.

  22. Re:a photocopier beats carbon paper any day by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Carbon paper is still used to transfer designs to objects other than paper, or oversize paper that wouldn't fit in a copier/printer. Admittedly, it's use is nowhere near its once ubiquitous amount, but crafters, luthiers, carpenters and other tradespeople still use it.

  23. Re:LIST of obsolete things by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Informative
    where's the set of boot floppies with different emm.386 configurations to get all those early PC games going?



    Sorry, those became way obsolete with Dos 6.22s ability (iirc) to have multiple configurations to chose from. :P


    Anyone remember countless runs of memmaker to squeeze the last byte of RAM out of a config ?

  24. Re:Assembly isn't obsolete! by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Informative

    the trouble is while one bad descision is barely perceptable a load of bad descisions stacked together make the difference between an app that is fast and responsive even on old hardware and a peice of horrible bloatware.

    and sometimes programmers make really horrible descisions like trying to delete elements from the middle of an array and move up everything after it. Sometimes programmers read large blocks of data into strings and try to use string manipulation on them etc. Theese bad descisions are imperceptible on the small datasets the dev typcially tests with but far more substatial when the data in question grows to hundreds of megabytes.

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  25. Some weird choices there by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very computer-centric, and more particularly, very 1970-1985-computer-centric.
    How about: making wooden wheels, for cars or carts?
    Drilling holes in stone with a hammer and a stardrill?
    Repacking plumbing/steam gasket seals?
    Installing/maintaining lead/oakum plumbing?
    Relashing valve pushrods or regrinding valve seats with a file?
    Filing threads?
    Making nails with a hammer and a header?
    Making wrought iron?
    Making aluminum without electricity?
    Forming lumber with a froe, an adze, and a two-man saw?
    Tanning leather?

    And some of the items, I just flat-out disagree with: making a fire by striking two pieces of flint together? That *doesn't work*. You strike a piece of steel against flint, which throws sparks because the steel is cut by the flint and showers off bits of hot steel. Flint doesn't burn.

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  26. Re:Jumping off the bandwagon? by Kevin+Stevens · · Score: 4, Informative

    Are you sure its all obsolete?

    Basic:
    Basic programming building blocks- variables, statements, control of execution flow with if/then/else and goto

    DOS:
    directory structures, command line navigation, computer architecture (and how bad design time decisions can lead to decades worth of headaches)

    Turbo Pascal:
    Not too familiar w/ Pascal anymore, but if IIRC, you should have learned how to use functions, namespaces, and the modular programming model.

    Microsoft C Programming:
    Event driven programming models, resource handles, GUI development issues- how to expose just enough complexity to make things useful without cluttering the screen, and the C aspect... you learned the syntax underpinning just about every other major language since and the basics of using structures, pointers, handling memory, the list could go on for pages.

    Gopher/Telnet:
    How plain text internet protocols generally work- and if anything you learned some cool tricks to do a raw telnet session on port 25 and spoof email from the boss.

    Pine:
    Email concepts/netiquette. Was Pine really so hard to learn anyway?

    Windows 95 registry:
    Eh probably the least portable skill here- you at least learned to be comfortable with digging into a blackbox OS and looking under its skirt. The registry is still in use in XP, not so sure about vista, so this is a skill you will get at least 15 years of use out of.

    Bea Tuxedo:
    not too familiar w/ this product, but if I remember correctly, its all about virtualization, which is now one of the hottest new technologies in the sysadmin/IT world.

    Sounds like you learned a hell of a lot. Sure none of these are all that employable *today* but couple that background with a weekend spent with a Java book and I would employ you with a 6 figure salary in a second over some newly minted sun certified ITT Tech grad.

  27. Re:Navigating by compass is obsolete? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

    I used print screen and an image editor...

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  28. Re:Starting a fire with sticks by danilo.moret · · Score: 2, Informative

    Being a Sun God I am not obsolete, mortal. And to show my powers, I will run an eclipse today. Not the IDE.
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  29. Re:There are hundreds of obsolete skills. by ledow · · Score: 2, Informative

    Speaking for the UK:

    Erm... You might have been technically correct fifty years ago when everybody still did Latin but not any longer. It's standard practice in every company I've ever worked, for the last 20-odd years and probably a lot longer than that. CV = personal details + list of qualifications + (summarised) work history + references + (possibly) brief statements about important project you've done in the past (unless you're under 18 when it seems you're taught to list "interests" like "watching TV"... I've actually seen it on a CV). You usually cram it all onto 1 or maybe 2 A4 pages. Possibly a personal statement (1 page of A4) if requested stating briefly why you'd be good at the job, clarify anything listed on the CV. Cover letter to wrap it all up (two lines and some decent letter-writing layout).

    In the UK, no job agency would distinguish between CV and resume, unless they only deal with very pretentious clients, but I've never heard of anyone distinguishing over such a minor detail even in the City. Job adverts include the line "Send CV to:". Never any mention of anything else, except possibly "CV and Personal Statement". We don't even CALL it, or any part of it, a resume. We might have done once (I don't know the etymology, but it sounds French) but we haven't for years.

    And, working in schools, I can tell you that this is EXACTLY how children are taught to apply for jobs and have been for about the last two decades (I was, when I was at school/university). And it's exactly how every adult job application I've ever seen has arrived. You send a CV which incorporates all your qualifications and work experience, wrapped in a two-line cover letter (Dear Sir/Madam, My CV, Thanks). If asked, you provide a "personal statement" which is an A4 diatribe about your work life and what you can bring to a company.

    Maybe you're just nit-picking on the origins of the word but in the UK, you have a CV that tells you EVERYTHING you need on one page. You normally head it "Curriculum Vitae" (which lets you instantly discard those who can't be bothered to look up "Vitae").