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Cyber Attacks against Tibetan Communities

UnderAttack writes "The SANS Internet Storm Center reports about an increasing number of sophisticated and targeted cyber attacks against Tibetan NGOs. These attacks appear to be related to attacks against other anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong. 'There is lots of media coverage on the protests in Tibet. Something that lies under the surface, and rarely gets a blip in the press, are the various targeted cyber attacks that have been taking place against these various communities recently. These attacks are not limited to various Tibetan NGOs and support groups. They have been reported dating back to 2002, and even somewhat before that, and have affected several other communities, including Falun Gong and the Uyghurs.'"

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  1. govt-sponsored by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And since guys doing such things for fun are nearly entirely pro-Tibet, who is left as the only interested party?

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    1. Re:govt-sponsored by mrbluze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And since guys doing such things for fun are nearly entirely pro-Tibet, who is left as the only interested party?

      Possibly you're right. But I wouldn't be surprised if something much worse than cyber-attacks is awaiting the freedom-seeking Tibetans.. err, 'Terrorists', after the Olympic Games are finished.

      The Chinese government is red-faced on this and it hasn't even begun to wreak its vengeance.

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    2. Re:govt-sponsored by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Informative

      Possibly you're right. But I wouldn't be surprised if something much worse than [...] You have a strange way of saying "I could bet my life that".

      In my dad's school, one of the kids started laughing when the grave news of Stalin's death were announced. The next day, his whole family went missing.
      The China is still in the phase of jailing folks over what their kid said...
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    3. Re:govt-sponsored by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know why the international community isn't using the Olympics to put pressure on China regarding Tibet.

      A threat of a boycott would do wonders for China's behavior. We dropped out of the 1980 Olympics in Moscow for the same reasons, and the Soviet Union fell in the next decade (not that they were directly related).

      But it seems most of the world's leaders are so busy sucking at the teat of China's huge market and cheap labor and doesn't want to scotch a sweet economic deal. Or I guess I should say the people the world's leaders work for are the ones who won't allow a boycott.

      I know I won't watch the Olympics this year. Not One Bit.

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    4. Re:govt-sponsored by asuffield · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the whole, I find it unlikely. When the Chinese government is involved in that sort of thing, they don't attack web servers, they bury people in unmarked holes. There is no evidence, no media coverage, no identifiable body or even any indication that there is a body. The people who offended them just don't show up for work one morning, and nobody sees them again. It doesn't even matter what country they live in - the arm of the Chinese government is very long, and law enforcement tends to turn a blind eye to it because they're either scared (nearby countries) or they just don't care about "those damn Chinese" fighting amongst themselves again (distant countries). It's always simple, quick, anonymous, pretty much untraceable, and immediately terminates the "problem".

      This is something quite different: it's noisy and public and largely ineffective in the long run. The Chinese government just doesn't do noisy, public, and ineffective. They may not be very nice, but they're still in power because they are very good at what they do.

      What we have here will be the same thing that it always is: a bunch of hoodlums taking the "law" into their own hands. Some people like this go out and find some random person from a group they don't like, and administer a beating, saying that they deserve it. Some attack web servers. It's all the same thing really.

      The media doesn't bother reporting the beatings, because a few dozen incidents of random violence aren't news. A few dozen defaced websites still is, for some reason.

    5. Re:govt-sponsored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This came up recently in German media, and the response of both government and NOC officials was that if we were to boycott olympics on political reasons, calling for a boycott *now* would be double-measured. A spokesman said (and I'm forced to agree, though I don't quite like it) that if one were to call for a boycott on the grounds of China violating human rights, one should consider that there have been thousands of the usual executions and imprisonments since the games were awarded to China, and no one called for a boycott then. So, doing it now would put the human rights of the Tibetans above those of native Chinese...

      Really a difficult situation. Boycotts, just like strikes, are always unjust as they mostly hit the wrong guys. I do, however, hope that western athletes will use the olympics as a forum discussing this, e.g. publicly asking why there are no teams representing Tibet and Taiwan.

    6. Re:govt-sponsored by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      That's a terrible excuse from the German official. It's exactly saying "I didn't speak out about one thing someone did wrong, so I'm not going to speak out about something else." And if somehow people did say "why didn't you protest against native chinese human rights violations" (not that anyone who cares about this actually would object to at least doing something rather than nothing), it would at least be someone asking about native chinese rights violations which is more publicity than they normally get in the West.

      Even as ways of rationalising a lack of conscience for the sake of self-interest, it's got to be one of the worst I've ever heard.

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    7. Re:govt-sponsored by XchristX · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Chinese government is red-faced on this and it hasn't even begun to wreak its vengeance. It's already well under way. Chinese communist sympathizers have been engaging in a fair bit of historical revisionism and propaganda on the internet about these incidents. Check out the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_unrest_in_Tibet) , for instance, where CCP communist shills in the diaspora have been edit-warring in gangs to make the Tibetans look like the bad guys (compare that ridiculous piece of biased rubbish there with less unreliable sources(http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=19922&article='Beijing+orchestrating+Tibet+riots').

      It continues to amaze me that a free and proletarian medium like the internet can be abused by a sufficiently determined group like the Chinese CCP and their global network of apologists and propagandists to spread misinformation and whitewash their atrocities. It's sickening.
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    8. Re:govt-sponsored by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Check out the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_unrest_in_Tibet) , for instance, where CCP communist shills in the diaspora have been edit-warring in gangs to make the Tibetans look like the bad guys

      And I was disgusted to see the article "Tibet", supposedly about the history and culture of the regon, mostly devoted to a long rationalisation of why it is and always has been a part of China (excpet for when it was influenced by Evil Western Colonialists).

    9. Re:govt-sponsored by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Utter crap. Your claim that somehow the USAs decision not to go to the Moscow Olympics caused the fall of the USSR is rubbish, and even your weak disclaimer negates your statement. Even more amusing is the reason for that boycott - the USSR had invaded Afghanistan. Who is embroiled in Afghanistan now (and Iraq) ? And even your reasons are the same as theirs - to quash rebel forces opposed to your domination of the area. The USSR boycotted the 1984 LA Olympics, for political reasons, did that have any effect on world peace ? Even the 1976 boycott by the African Nations did nothing to directly influence the South African apartheid regime.
      The Olympics should not be about politics, and refusing to play nicely is what causes and prolongs arguments. By dealing with the Chinese, we get to understand them, and more importantly, they get to be exposed to, and start to understand and relate to us. These things take time, but by working together, I'm sure we'll find that as the Chinese govt. evolves (as it must due to death of current officials and leaders) the next generation will not be so hostile to the west, and even embrace more of our values. Once they are working on the same set of values then our arguments will make more sense to them.
      Just telling them to fuck off and not engaging will just reinforce the separation of our cultures. And seeing as how the Chinese pretty much own your asses, financially speaking, you shouldn't be picking a fight you haven't got the capability to win.

    10. Re:govt-sponsored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The language might be trollish, but the poster speaks the truth! Mod up!

  2. They needn't be government sponsored... by Digestromath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They needn't be government sponsored merely idividuals and organizations who are ignored by the government as long as they stay on the "right" side of the law. Believe or not, extreme nationalists are willing to do the dirty work for free. It doesn't matter what country your in, you'll find some extreme patriots willing to go above and beyond to silence thier radical counterparts. Some governments do more to stop them, others do less... when it suits them.

  3. falung gong is chines by xkillkillx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slightly off-topic : i doubt those crazy Falun-Gong followers qualify as an "anti-Chinese group". They're just a sect/spiritual_practice/younameit which has no such goal as "being anti-Chinese". The Chinese goverment does qualify as "anti falun gong" though.

  4. Re:Powerpoint? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh crap--pdf exploits. That's messed up. Ok, new rule--tell them to convert to ascii.

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  5. Rage Against the Chinese? by SlashWombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several replies and no-one has really been on topic. Doesn't anybody care about the plight of the Tibetans?

    I know Americans are all "gung ho" when it comes to invading countries that are important to it AKA Iraq, Vietnam ... but surely this has not diminished your sense of pity for others. (Or, perhaps it does, seems that it might explain many mysterious things.)

    China forced its way into Tibet quit some time ago, and now seem to be systematically destroying the Tibetan culture. Yet the Chinese shit in the face of anything that might detract from their own cultural identity.

    Aren't you guys ashamed? Or have all your high falutin morals gone down the drain!

    1. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Probably because the plight is still under wraps. The information we've gotten to date has really been pretty sparse and it seems to be harder to openly support actions that even the Dali Lama has been outspoken against. I sympathize with the fact that the people reacting today are young and have been detached from the Lama for several DECADES and are living in the thick of it and are not expatriates in another area, but I'm not one to say - "yea - go for it - stick it to the man" - because fuck-all good it did in 1989.

      It can be best summed up in the famous tank photo. That photo of a man standing in front of the tanks heading to Tiananmen Square has been oft-touted as a photo that "changed the world". But that's always been bullshit. It didn't change a damn thing and was a harbinger of what was about to happen which was total suppression and annihilation. When the tanks moved against their own people in Russia - THAT was a game-changer. In China - it's business as usual and whether you position yourself in front of tanks or type in blogs and forums - it's not going to change anything. Sorry - but it's not.

      Now, it's fun to embarrass them on the world stage, and watch them lose face. Probably why I'm going to watch the protesters in San Francisco when that stupid torch comes through with more than a little glee. It's also fun to bait them online for being such idiots because they have been utterly removed from any and all historical data on their govt on the various forums they have been spamming recently. But I don't think for a minute that it's going to change dick.

    2. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by Loucks · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't care about the "plight of the Tibetans." The Chinese are terrible rulers who slaughtered quite a few people. The Tibetan elite who preceeded them were also terrible rulers who slaughtered quite a few people. "Free Tibet" is a popular slogan among the college student and young democrat/progressive crowd, but the country wasn't really free before the Chinese occupation.

    3. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Tibetan rulers may have been cruel, but they weren't trying to systematically wipe out the Tibetan language and culture. China, on the other hand, is moving in a huge amount of Han people to do precisely that.

    4. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by Tomji · · Score: 2, Insightful

      China forced its way into Tibet quit some time ago... yeah 700 years ago. If only they were as effective as the english or other europeans in destroying culture and people.

    5. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think we're just trying to avoid falling victim to one of the classic blunders, namely, getting involved in a land war in Asia.

    6. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I don't know enough about Tibetan history to say if you're right or wrong about past rulers of Tibet. But if you care about the Tibetan people today, you should be against the forces that threaten them today. It is useful to have the historical perspective in order to prevent a return to another bad system, but it doesn't alter the need to change the current one.

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    7. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, some parts of their "culture" have been systematically wiped, such as slavery, cruel torture, sexuality discrimination and much more (go to your library and check out more about this). If you think Chinese government should keep such "culture", you can suggest your government back to the medieval first.

      I was not defending all facets of Tibetan culture at the time of the occupation, but rather the mere right of the Tibetans to preserve their own conception of a culture distinct from that of neighbouring peoples.

      All the schools in Tibet are bilingual (plus English from the secondary school).

      Chinese claims of bilingual education are regularly criticized by linguists worldwide. Chinese schooling in practice pushes Putonghua on the local population to the detriment of their own language.

      I strongly suggest you travel to Tibet and use your own eyes to check.

      While I have not been to Tibet, I have traveled in Eastern Turkestan a.k.a. Xinjiang. It is obvious that the influx of Han people as it is currently managed is not compatible with the preservation of the indigenous language.

  6. Mainstream coverage of the attacks by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 5, Informative
    The Washington Post (article reprinted) has a more mainstream-orinted story on these attacks.


    It should be emphasized that the exiled Tibetan groups based in India are extremely vulnerable to China's attacks and snooping since they often operate on aging hardware running obsolete and unpatched Windows software, partly out of necessity since some Tibetan-language word-processing tools that they're familiar with only run on obsolete MS platforms and partly because they're only now beginning to realize that Linux can also be made to work for them both on the servers and desktops. In fact the government in neighboring Bhutan has already created a comprehensive Dzongkha (a Tibetan-like language using the same script) version of Linux.

    Equally huge problem is that most Tibetans in exile will naturally try to communicate with their family and friends back in the Chinese-occupied Tibet, but they don't realize that their unencrypted emails, "yahoo chats" and mobile text messages are all being monitored and logged by the Chinese authorities. Even if they don't exchange any sensitive information, simply receiving messages from outside China's control makes any Tibetan a suspect. Actually just being a Tibetan makes one a suspect under the eyes of the Chinese colonial masters...

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    1. Re:Mainstream coverage of the attacks by asuffield · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think the Chinese government thinks of Tibetans as automatic suspects, exactly. If there is anything that this whole affair reminds me of, it is the systematic extermination of the native Americans by the colonists. Han Chinese colonists move in and are supported by their government; natives can abandon their own culture and integrate into the Han nation (where they will be more or less accepted in time), or they can be shoved to one side and left to die out. Natives who oppose this get armies sent after them; those who don't oppose it get ignored. It's all stuff that we've seen before in history classes.

      The Chinese government has been doing this to Tibet for a period of centuries now (with varying degrees of enthusiasm depending on what else was going on at the time), and their reaction to people who say that Tibet is an independent nation is very similar to the reactions of US colonists to people who said the same things about the natives there (it basically amounts to "We're taking it, so this land is ours, and all those squatters can just go die in a hole"). The colonists do of course blame the natives for clinging to their culture instead of adopting the new, obviously superior one that is taking over.

    2. Re:Mainstream coverage of the attacks by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 3, Informative
      Interesting that you should bring up the comparison to the European colonists and native Americans. A couple of years back the Tibetan rights activists got hold of a Chinese Communist Party (Department of Propaganda) manual for their frontline workers involved in arguing the CCP's side online and in the western media. This Guilt Trip argument that the Western colonial powers had done similar things in their history was top of the list. However for some reason they completely refrain mentioning the last dictatorships that engaged in such genocidal expansionism: Stalin (who Mao got his ideas from) and Hitler.


      Also, the "West" (i.e. the western countries that engaged in colonialism; most did not and many were victims of their neighbours in Europe, too) has long ago seen the criminality of the old ways and has since sought to undo past damages. The fact that some colonial powers wiped out indigenous cultures, just like China has been doing to its past near-neighbours for centuries and millenia (check sometimes where the Han-chinese actually originate from), but later saw the error of their own ways should in fact give them some authority to speak from experience. If my great-great-great-.....great-grandparents were sent overseas by their unelected masters to do what we now know to be crimes against humanity, should I not be able to condemn those acts??

      Do you think it is reasonable or even understandable for China to be committing such genocidal colonialism today (since the 1950 invasion), all the while keeping their own population in complete darkness over what really is happening and what the Tibetans really want in their own country?

      And therein lies another massive difference between the tribal native cultures of the "new continents" and the Tibetans. The Tibetans were not only China's historical neighbours, with wars and peace treaties of their own (including an eternal peace treaty with the Chinese after the Tibetans had invaded the capital of China in the first century B.C.), their own army, central government, currency, postal system etc. The Chinese claims over Tibet are all the more ridiculous when they start referring to the Yuan dynasty... Those were the Mongol descendants of Genghis Khan who had invaded China too, and who agreed to a priest-patron relationship (without de facto control over governance) as protectors of Tibet after converting from Islam to Buddhism!

      When the Mongol empire broke up, the remaining Chinese quarter continued the Buddhist relationship with Tibet (i.e. the "primitive" Tibet was trusted to provide spiritual services to the Chinese courts for centuries...), but nominally claimed Tibet as part of the known Chinese empire (just like they did with all their other neighbours), still without de facto rule over its affairs. And somehow that spiritual relationship was carried into the 20th century by the newly-crowned communist emperor "religion is poison" Mao whose first task after coronation was to send his communist army to invade (the CCP term is "peaceful liberation") Tibet for real.

      Who told you that "the Chinese government has been doing this (genocidal subjugation) to Tibet for a period of centuries now"??

      But nice going, the Guilt Trip argument again succeeded in deflecting some of the spotlight off the current and ongoing crimes by the Chinese regime against the Tibetan nation.

      Now go and watch a documentary about the Tibetans living and dying under the Chinese occupation today, not in the 15th or 18th century when people still had no say in their own affairs anywhere. The events in that documentary, which includes footage and interviews from the last major uprising in Lhasa and its aftermath twenty years ago, resembles eerily the current crackdown being executed by the Chinese military and paramilitary since last week.

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  7. Re:They are terrorists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hi there,

    Do you have sources for this 'information' ?

    Completely unrelated : is your paycheck in Chinese currency ?

    (Also, you sound like that guy that keeps sending me emails from Nigeria. Where are my 149.000.000.000 dollars ?)

  8. Falun Gong Is Chinese by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Informative

    anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong.


    Falun Gong is Chinese. That sentence should say "Chinese rebel groups like Falun Gong".
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  9. Re:They are terrorists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'Deconvolution' seems to be our very own Chinese government propagandist, if his/her commenting history is anything to go by.

    If sites like Slashdot have one, I wonder how many more main-stream sites are targeted in this way.

    I don't know about anyone else, but the upcoming Olympics is leaving a bad taste in my mouth already.

    (Anonymous through genuine fear, these guys are like Scientologists on angeldust)

  10. "anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong." by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    WTF with: "anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong"??

    Most Falun Gong ARE Chinese. The government does not like them, fearing an organised group, though religious, could turn political, but to identify this as "anti-Chinese" is really nonsensical. (Americans might like to compare with the "Why do you hate America?" jibes made to demonise political opponents.)

  11. Re:They are terrorists! by microbox · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are WRONG.

    Buddhism is about non-violence. A core precept is not committing sexual misconduct. In Tibet - if you want to talk to a girl you have to ask the parents for marriage.

    The Chinese people have committed such a heinous crime against these people. Mao's army committed massive acts of rape. THE CHINESE ARMY FORCED TEENAGE GIRLS INTO SEX SERVICE. Mao's army murdered, conquered, and burnt the Tibetan "savages".

    Shame on you. Ignorance is not a source of happiness.

    Believe what you will.

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  12. Sophistry by microbox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You do know what sophistry is don't you?

    Perhaps you should talk to a bona-fide tantric buddhist practitioner before you paint them all with one brush, based on some bizarre cooks collection of papers.

    Those very same tantric buddhists, from the very highest levels, have been saying: "Don't let recent events in Tibet let anger increase in the mind through discussion or action." Obviously very dangerous people, right?

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  13. sowing the seeds of conflict in their own lives by microbox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the grand-parent was being glib.

    Buddhists believe in karma, which is why they are against violence. Destroying people and taking their land is not a sane way of seeking happiness and stability. Your children will grow up thinking that they can solve problems by destroying others. The chinese people are sowing the seeds of conflict in their own lives. There is a tragic quality to all of this.

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  14. Re:athletes have opinions by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when where athletes too greedy to think for themselves? If athletes don't speak out, it will because of some threat over their career, I'm sure athletes can and do think for themselves. The point being that athletes (and lets face it people in general are more concerned about their own issues than some foreign policy stance). As for any threats to their career; yes, (I am being presumptuous here; meaning I cannot speak for ALL Olympians or their ideals and goals, but...) if an athlete thinks a company would be less likely to sponsor an athlete who speaks out on political issues, then that athlete would be less likely to cause controversy. However real that may be, I am sure there is a perception amongst athletes that there could be an economic backlash. As an example, there were a few athletes who admitted to being homosexual, but they only became open about this AFTER their Olympic careers. Nope, I'm not really talking about athletes, but people in general. Olympians sacrifice quite a lot of time and money (opportunity costs, if you will), to get where they are. I don't think many would be interested in any potential sacrifice of their goals of being a star athlete. Politics is a diversion to high performance athletes. I'm thinking of such fanatical statements I've heard in the past by Olympians like "No pain, no Spain"; and that young American gymnast who sacrificed her health by performing with a broken leg; and was later applauded for her "heroism", and had her picture put on the Wheaties cereal box container.
  15. Re:They are terrorists! by deconvolution · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Obviously you know NOTHING about Tibet history.

    I am 100% sure, the Chinese army would not do that. To stop such stupid argument, you just need to know one fact (as a bottom line): the STD infection was terrible when the army came to the Tibet 1959 and the Tantra scripts probably didnt mention the receipts of penicillin.

    Please read this FACT before you reply: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

    Not all Tibetan exiles are enamoured of the old Shangri-La theocracy. Kim Lewis, who studied healing methods with a Buddhist monk in Berkeley, California, had occasion to talk at length with more than a dozen Tibetan women who lived in the monk's building. When she asked how they felt about returning to their homeland, the sentiment was unanimously negative. At first, Lewis assumed that their reluctance had to do with the Chinese occupation, but they quickly informed her otherwise. They said they were extremely grateful "not to have to marry 4 or 5 men, be pregnant almost all the time," or deal with sexually transmitted diseases contacted from a straying husband. The younger women "were delighted to be getting an education, wanted absolutely nothing to do with any religion, and wondered why Americans were so naive [about Tibet]."

  16. Re:They are terrorists! by geekboy642 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A brief google search is by no means comprehensive research, but I find it highly telling that the only other references to the above poster's cited works appear on sites such as gnosticliberationfront.com, nineoneone.nl, mothershiplanding.blogspot.com, and several anti-semetic pages. Not that I wish to claim untruthfulness on the part of the authors of the works, but perhaps the facts are not exactly as laid out in the books.

    Another point of interest is, these references are completely off-topic. The discussion centers around PLA attacks against Tibetans. It is implicitly clear that the PRC is soft-gloving their response (ref Tianamen), and yet the international community still finds the reprisals against the protesters extreme. With the cyber attacks and the continuous waves of internet blocks put into the great firewall, it's also clear that China is attempting to keep this quiet. People whose websites are DDoSed out of existence can't post information damaging to the ruling party. Actions of historical Tibetans found unacceptable by the modern world are completely non-germane to the topic.

    Why, again, did the world choose a despotic regime to host the Olympics?

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  17. Re:They are terrorists! by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am 100% sure, the Chinese army would not do that.

    You mean, the same Chinese army that shot and killed unarmed and peaceful demonstrators in 1989? You're either a government shill, or a nationalist of the worst sort. What frightens me the most about China these days isn't the Communist party - it's nationalists of your ilk who put China first, Chinese people second and all others third.

    I also like how everything that paints Tibet in a bad light is FACT, while everything that paints China in a bad light is WRONG, without proper historical context, irrelevant or justified to counter nefarious external influences or actions.
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