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IBM Suspended From US Federal Contracts

theodp writes "IBM has been temporarily banned from receiving future contracts with federal agencies, the Environmental Protection Agency confirmed on Monday. The suspension went into effect last Thursday due to 'concerns raised about potential activities involving an EPA procurement,' the agency said in an e-mailed statement. Under a reciprocal agreement among federal agencies, when one issues a ban, the others follow it. The EPA said it will not comment further on the matter. An IBM spokesman said he had no immediate comment. 'You don't see this very often, particularly for large companies,' commented a stunned industry analyst, mentioning a bankrupt MCI as a notable exception. IBM earned an estimated $1.5 billion in revenue from federal prime contracts in fiscal 2007."

136 comments

  1. Hmmm by Jherico · · Score: 1

    I don't get it.

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    1. Re:Hmmm by rwven · · Score: 1

      My guess is: 04/01

      Except that there are a lot of supporting links. Hmmm. Sucks bigtime if It's true though. Hopefully the "temporary" is as "temporary" as it can be.

    2. Re:Hmmm by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently, Slashdot is skipping April Fools this year, along with the rest of the U.S. Details later today, hopefully.

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    3. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Okay, I think I've figured it out.

      The gag this year is that they're only posting real stories, that sound so ridiculous that we assume they're jokes! ...that's lame and depressing at the same time. Way to go, slashdot. :|

    4. Re:Hmmm by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Why does it suck?

      For IBM, sure. For taxpayers ... not so much. IBM is an expensive trainwreck-for-hire when it comes to actually delivering on its contracts.

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    5. Re:Hmmm by Artuir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Won't someone please think of the ponies? :(

    6. Re:Hmmm by VON-MAN · · Score: 1

      If I were IBM I'd have a very good look at _how_ this decision came to be. The timing is just so _perfect_, and the impact will resonate in the IT press the next weeks. And we'll wonder what happened to that other story of the big IT player who is so good at influencing official decision making. Microsoft will have ammunition for years to come to spin any story it's own way by comparing itself to IBM. Also, what kind of organization is the EPA under Bush? Chock full of people who only think of the environment? I would suspect people with double agenda's.

      And if it's a april 1st story, i'll eat my tin foil hat.

    7. Re:Hmmm by ScriptedReplay · · Score: 1

      It's the other way around, actually. With the elections heating up, the only 'normal' day in 2k8 is 04/01.

    8. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I work for the professional services arm of one of IBM's direct competitors.

      Trust me - they are all trainwrecks-for-hire.

    9. Re:Hmmm by Slashidiot · · Score: 1

      Nope, they are not skipping it. For those who have ads blocked, you are missing it, but I think the ad about "quality russian dating service" is not fully serious.

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    10. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. That's a real story, it hit on http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?sid=1377352&nid=250 yesterday. Look at the date posted on that page. I read their version of the story about 3pm yesterday.

    11. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, what appallingly illegal and unconstitutional thing did the government ask IBM to do?

    12. Re:Hmmm by jgalun · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's absurd - this has nothing to do with Microsoft, because Microsoft is not a player in federal government IT consulting. The major players are IBM, Accenture, Booz Allen Hamilton, etc. Microsoft has nothing to do with this.

      What I suspect is that EPA blew a whistle without realizing that - due to this agreement in place between federal agencies - it would cut IBM out of new federal work altogether. That's almost certainly overkill - no one wants to take one of the major players out of the game just because of corruption at tiny, inconsequential EPA (sorry guys, but EPA is a very small fish in federal government).

    13. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      CNN had the news yesterday, it's real.

      Basically, the EPA thinks IBM ripped it off some way or another.

    14. Re:Hmmm by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      It aint that important.

      The first thing I saw when I unblocked ads was a long animated banner for something called "Splunk".
      The second thing I saw was myself re-enabling ABP pronto.

    15. Re:Hmmm by Kjella · · Score: 1

      What I suspect is that EPA blew a whistle without realizing that - due to this agreement in place between federal agencies - it would cut IBM out of new federal work altogether. That's almost certainly overkill - no one wants to take one of the major players out of the game just because of corruption at tiny, inconsequential EPA (sorry guys, but EPA is a very small fish in federal government). They just got new management, one Russ Cargill. Just be glad they didn't decide to blow up IBM headquarters.
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    16. Re:Hmmm by superwiz · · Score: 1

      I thought it was 4/1, too. But the Yahoo link appears legit.

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    17. Re:Hmmm by Intron · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:Hmmm by pdbaby · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean - I have ABP everywhere... but at work I forgot to install it and saw a Splunk ad on Sourceforge. It's pretty cool software :-)

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    19. Re:Hmmm by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Possibly, but I wonder about it. I have never seen anything of quality advertised with a flash ad.

    20. Re:Hmmm by pdbaby · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean - but I present to you the balancer that makes the flash ad ok: the best software promotion song ever :-P the software's a bit pricey, though.

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    21. Re:Hmmm by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Well, it's April 2nd in the U.S. anyway. Just in case they don't run the story, here's a link to the Firehose entry.

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    22. Re:Hmmm by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1


            They apparently missed their payments, and you know the ones I'm talking about.

    23. Re:Hmmm by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      Here's the link to CNN's story:

      http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/01/technology/bc.na.fin.us.ibm.contract.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008040118

            The gist is that IBM protested an $84 million financial modernization project awarded to some other consultant, CGI, and the GAO had still not made a decision, although the research firm Fed Sources earlier reported the GAO upheld IBM's complaint.

            The EPA last week temporarily banned IBM from receiving any new government contracts while it investigates "potential activities involving a procurement."

            Sounds like the EPA believes IBM was interfering with the GAO decisionmakers to overrule the EPA and award the contract to IBM.

            So they apparently decided to play some hardball back.

        rd

  2. Re:April Fewls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Mod troll down. That page opens a shitload of pop-ups for GNAA>

  3. Re:April Fewls by Krupuk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't click on the above link, page contains Virus! (This is _not_ a joke!)

  4. Bwaaaa? by EvanED · · Score: 1

    The links in the article look legit...

    Is this the day of actual stories that look like April fools stories but aren't, or am I still too dense?

    1. Re:Bwaaaa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what happens when the EPA attempts "funny."

      What's that? Your stock price just followed Wile E. Coyote to the bottom of the Grand Canyon?

    2. Re:Bwaaaa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't it be both??

  5. No Joke? by EyeMyke · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't think this is a Apr 1 joke... http://www.epls.gov/epls/search.do?debar_recid=98050&status=current&vindex=0&xref=true Unless it's a really elaborate .gov joke...

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    1. Re:No Joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an elaborate prank by SCO. I have a link to prove it.

    2. Re:No Joke? by MrMr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Has to be a joke.
      Come on, this government, cracking down on corruption by a US company?

    3. Re:No Joke? by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 0

      You mean, you discounted the possibility that all those organizations, including media, worked together to make this April Fool's Day joke happen.

      Devious, devious...

    4. Re:No Joke? by globring · · Score: 1

      No, its not an April Fool's Day joke, unless they moved AF to March 31st. Here is the dated official release from IBM on the matter:

      http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/23785.wss

    5. Re:No Joke? by jadedoto · · Score: 1

      That's the problem. Real like is so fscked up that we can't have April fools. Just pop open CNN.com any day and have a laugh. :(

  6. Tags by DTemp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lots of slashdotters bitch about tags. But today, tags are your friend. Today, I'm looking for the tags omgponies and aprilfools to know if stories are hoaxes, and !omgponies and !aprilfools to know if they are real.

    Now, this story was just tagged !omgponies, but that tag is gone now. Ugh.

    1. Re:Tags by SlashJoel · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain the etymology of omgponies for me? And yes, I am new here.

    2. Re:Tags by atezun · · Score: 5, Informative

      Several years ago on April fools slashdot changed it's entire colour scheme to a pink my little pony type theme and I beleive had the words omigodponies displayed on the site, possibly in place of slashdot. It's generally regarded as slashdot's best April fools joke.

    3. Re:Tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be... Oh.
      Never mind...

    4. Re:Tags by josteos · · Score: 2, Informative
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    5. Re:Tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you like your food pre-chewed as well?

    6. Re:Tags by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Search Flickr or Google for screenshots from last year "Slashdot OMG Ponies"

    7. Re:Tags by muffen · · Score: 1

      Lots of slashdotters bitch about tags. But today, tags are your friend. Today, I'm looking for the tags omgponies and aprilfools to know if stories are hoaxes, and !omgponies and !aprilfools to know if they are real.
      I think you are miss-reading the tags, !aprilfools = _not_ aprilfools, and since this story was posted around 9PM ET yesterday (by AP, you can find the link to yahoo I posted below), I really doubt this is a joke.
    8. Re:Tags by muffen · · Score: 1

      meh, need edit on /. ... just read your post again and my reply was just stupid, still tired, need more coffee :(

    9. Re:Tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I feel slashdot needs to permit editing posts, or at least deleting them. Maybe within a five minute timeframe.

    10. Re:Tags by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      What a fantastic business idea! I'm going to open a restaurant with the tagline "Get the taste with none of the inconvenience!"

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    11. Re:Tags by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yea, it could be like this mechanism that you could click and get to see your post for a bit before it actually gets locked in. They could call it "Preview" or something crazy like that.

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    12. Re:Tags by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Damnit, never been rickrolled before. Good job good sir, good job.

      I still don't get the humor or terror of it though... If 2girls1cup is a 10, Goatse and Tubgirl a 7, a Rickroll is a 2 on the international trolling chart.

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    13. Re:Tags by MMC+Monster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Several years ago on April fools slashdot changed it's entire colour scheme to a pink my little pony type theme and I beleive had the words omigodponies displayed on the site, possibly in place of slashdot. It's generally regarded as slashdot's best April fools joke. Actually, it was regarded as slashdot's best theme.
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    14. Re:Tags by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It also bombarded Cute Overload with links. They now have a permanent boast on how they survived a Slashdotting, and a link to the original story.

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    15. Re:Tags by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Actually, a rickroll is more insiduous, because it doesn't violate the YouTube TOS, so it's much harder to avoid, even if someone's looking for it. ;)

      Speaking of rickrolls... check the featured videos on YouTube. ;)

    16. Re:Tags by Devistater · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I thought there was a way to still show that color scheme for slashdot, but I can't find it.

      I googled and turned up this random mirror of the /. page that day though with the omgponies color scheme:
      http://onaserver.org/omgponies/

    17. Re:Tags by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes! Those were the days....

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    18. Re:Tags by m50d · · Score: 1

      Where by several years ago you mean right last year, am I wrong?

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    19. Re:Tags by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Informative

      Use the Slashdotter Firefox extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2175 That way you can select a specific stylesheet, amongst them the OMG ponies.

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    20. Re:Tags by Tribbin · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:Tags by magarity · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was regarded as slashdot's best theme
       
      And thanks to the omgponies firefox plugin, it's the only one I get.

    22. Re:Tags by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I think the point is just to get your hopes up.

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    23. Re:Tags by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

      Two years ago.

  7. tag still!omgponies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Sigh, tagged "still!omgponies"

  8. Aw, C'mon by TrekkieTechie · · Score: 1

    What good is April Fool's Day on /. if we're just going to get real articles?

    I'll take my prank-hungry business elsewhere, thank you very much.

    1. Re:Aw, C'mon by sydneyfong · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's the joke.

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  9. This story is legit (AFAIK) by tekrat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just do a search in Google news for IBM and you'll find the story. Looks legit to me, although the Register clearly has an April Fools story that Robert Scobe is an IBM construction with 1TB of memory.

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    1. Re:This story is legit (AFAIK) by Pichu0102 · · Score: 1

      Looks legit to me, although the Register clearly has an April Fools story that Robert Scobe is an IBM construction with 1TB of memory.


      I wouldn't be so... nah. Too easy.
    2. Re:This story is legit (AFAIK) by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      Just do a search in Google news for IBM and you'll find the story. Looks legit to me, although the Register clearly has an April Fools story that Robert Scobe is an IBM construction with 1TB of memory.

      Just think what you could do with a beowulf cluster of those...

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    3. Re:This story is legit (AFAIK) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...although the Register clearly has an April Fools story that Robert Scobe is an IBM construction with 1TB of memory.

      That's obviously ridiculous though. 20GB tops.
  10. There goes my job by BountyX · · Score: 1

    great...i get subcontracted a lot of their fed. work. =(

    Anyone want to offer me a new job?

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    1. Re:There goes my job by Gertlex · · Score: 2, Funny

      Anyone want to offer me a new job? Find me new confusing April 1st stories.

      Or if you're a haxxor, fix slashdot. I want my pink ponies!

      OMG.
  11. Hrm.... by Misanthrope · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nobody ever got fired for......
    Well crap.

    1. Re:Hrm.... by teh+moges · · Score: 1

      I am just waiting for the inevitable breaking of Godwin's law.

    2. Re:Hrm.... by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1, Funny

      OMGNazis!

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  12. Mentioned on NYSE site so presumably not a hoax by pdcull · · Score: 4, Informative

    I suspect that this isn't an April Fool's joke as it is mentioned on the NYSE site here

    1. Re:Mentioned on NYSE site so presumably not a hoax by muffen · · Score: 1

      Agreed, this cannot be a joke since it was initially posted yesterday

    2. Re:Mentioned on NYSE site so presumably not a hoax by hey! · · Score: 1

      I dunno, the financial sector could use a few laughs these days...

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  13. Someone's gonna get sued if it's a joke by sn00ker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    And that's the least of their worries.

    Posting a story like that would be a sure-fire way to make Big Blue's stock drop like a hot rock, and you'd have shareholders on your arse faster than GNAA members at an orgy.

    If the SEC thought it had been done with the intent of manipulating the market for gain, though, you'd be wishing that it was just shareholders and the GNAA after your arse. Coz there'd be a strong likelihood that your arse would become property of Bubba.

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    1. Re:Someone's gonna get sued if it's a joke by m-wielgo · · Score: 1

      Well, the market isn't reacting as you would suggest.

  14. Re:April Fewls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    The video is real. Not a virus.

  15. Parent contains deceptive link by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    it's a rickroll.

  16. Just when I think April fools is nearly over ... by dbIII · · Score: 0

    ... it starts in America and I get the whole thing all over again. The OMG Ponies were better.

  17. The funny part... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The funny part2 about that video....

          1) Rick dances like a white guy
          2) The girl dances like a white guy
          3) The girl is somewhat more masculine than Rick, but to be fair, she's pretty masculine
          4) The black guy looks like he want to punch both of them in the face.
          5) And who can blame him?

  18. Ban Microsoft by hey · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Of course, the should ban Microsoft for monopolistic practices.

    1. Re:Ban Microsoft by MrNaz · · Score: 0, Troll

      Hey look everyone, its a new, insightful and carefully thought out remark from an obviously well-educated individual. Quick, put him in charge of something!

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    2. Re:Ban Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is forced to buy their products and no one is forced to stop producing competing products.

      Except they are, in the USA, through the magic of patent monopoly law. Really, I do think it's sort of foolish to criticise microsoft when they're just using the system as intended. The most egregious is in the EU, where the EU commission is "punishing" microsoft for being an abusive monopoly, but at the same time pushing for the introduction/recognition of Software Patents in the EU, which would only cement microsoft's monopoly. If you look at the way the money flows and ignore the rhetoric, you see microsoft paying a bunch of cash in "fines" to the EU, while the EU gives them the patent monopolies they want. REAL action to defang microsoft monopoly would be simply stripping them of their patents and copyrights.

  19. April Fools! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Unless it's a really elaborate .gov joke

    Worth it for the look on the IBM salesman's face.

    And justified by all the crap tools they sell to my management for me to support.

    1. Re:April Fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...all the crap tools they sell to my management for me to support.

      'Tis a poor workman who blames his tools.

    2. Re:April Fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That phrase only applies in disciplines where the workman makes or at the very least selects his own tools.

    3. Re:April Fools! by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      He's not blaming his tools. He is stating that IBM sells his management absolute crap which he has to support. This a big reason why IT personnel hate their management: purchasing power while lacking brainpower.

  20. attack on Open Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Think of it like this. IBM is one of the greatest champions of Open Source, which inherently prevents just about anyone to tamper with the source code. Now, since Open Source as a movement (rather then a company) doesn't have one central authority IBM is simply the closest to being seen as one of such focal points. Or motors if you wish. Sans IBM, there's mush greater chance then some other companies and business models will "prevail". Having said that, this also means that closed sources (with or without NSAKEYs or backdors built inside) are better off without IBM and whole other Open Source community (some equalled it with the communism). We may yet see the final results, but preventing IBM from getting government contracts is also preventing government to reach for IBMs technology and solutions. IBM is not without good options here, and remember still, that the presidential elections are just around the corner.

    1. Re:attack on Open Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent up, see also microsoft's involvement with library of congress (mentioned in boingboing blog) and silverlight in recent events

    2. Re:attack on Open Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What a load of horse hit. IBM is not nor has it ever been the greatest champion of Open Source. They support it with some basic lip service and only keep contributing because of what they are able to pull out at the current point in time is more profitable to them than not being involved, if that changes they will drop Open Source like a smelly turd in a nanosecond. IBM still has some of the biggest closets of closed source applications of ANY company in the world and they have no intention whatsoever of opening them up to the likes of the Open Source community. I can only believe you are some kind of IBM shill as no one could possibly believe the horse shit you just typed.

  21. More likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this has more to do with China made products. I am guessing that they found something interesting.

    1. Re:More likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, so IBM outsourced parts of their activities to China? What other crimes did IBM do?

  22. Someone can translate it human language? by Pecisk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Read summary, read article, not helping. What a hell are reason for it? :)

    But nice tagging with !omgponies. Damn, that was so cool, a little overboard, but still cool.

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  23. Not a hoax, not a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    /.ers:

    The timing is curious but I can assure you this is not a joke. I work as a contractor for DHS and the word came down yesterday. We said the same thing - you're kidding, right? - but it turned out to be a very real order.

    I don't know how IBM is about delivering on contracts themselves, but we as a contractor (in conjunction with the government program managers) use IBM commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) software extensively. Since the DHS reciprocal ban includes purchase orders, this really throws a wrench in our works. We are looking at the possibility of switching a 500+ head software development shop from IBM-Rational to...something else, by the end of the year when our maintenance runs out. Another project I work with was just evaluating and beginning development with WebSphere, and they are going to completely lose momentum.

    I am sure other agencies are doing the same as far as the extent of implementation of the ban. This might be good for the taxpayers in the long run, but right now it is causing a lot of billable hours to be spent scrambling, so I sure hope it's worth it, EPA.

    1. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by darkob · · Score: 1

      How can taxpayers benefit from such move? Given the multithousend workforce within IBM (and their subcontractors) which also tend to be US taxpayers? So US government had chosen to be acuser, judge and the jury and had chosen to punish company heavily involved with the government orders with the death penalty with no due process or some other remedy if there are illegal activities involved? Oh, incidently, IBM is also publicly traded company (NYSE: IBM) and it's stock is also included in the Dow Jones Industrial Index. Not that it matters since it's direct competition is also inside, so fall of the IBM might benefit direct competition. This all stinks!

    2. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The timing might not be so curious. Some of EPA's main contracts (ITS-EPA) go up for rebid this summer. It seems IBM has managed to piss them off enough to warrant this. EPA uses some of those COTS products too... going to be an interesting week at the office, no doubt ;).

    3. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Darkob -

      Same AC from the parent on this thread.

      Don't worry too much about IBM just yet. From TFA, they get about $1.7B in revenue from federal contracts each year, but this equates to 1% of IBM's annual revenue. The other 99% is still just dandy. They'll make it along just fine.

      In theory, if the company is gaming contract competition, then that is detrimental to the efficient spending of government money, which is in turn bad for taxpayers. And I appreciate your sympathy for IBM's tax-paying employees, but far more American taxpayers are *not* IBM employees than are, so if this is in fact about some sinister anti-competitive/bribing kind of activity, then it should be a Good Thing.

      The problem is that so far EPA and IBM have been totally mum about what's going on, so we have no idea if this is worth it. We in the other agencies - who are bound by the reciprocal agreement - are in the position of having to do a lot of sudden shifting to work IBM out of our project plans and enterprise architecture. It sucks a lot of billable hours, and so I am really questioning if this is going to have a net positive effect on the "taxpayer" because of the work it has already generated.

      That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with EPA acting as "judge, jury and executioner" in this case. The agency has an incidental tasking of being careful and efficient with taxpayer dollars as it carries out its main duties. If they felt they'd been had, they were right to blow the whistle. This isn't court; no rights were abrogated. IBM does not have much more right to compete for government projects than Walmart has a right to sell you potato chips - they have a right to offer, but you are not bound to accept.

      A remedy is in process; the investigation is underway and we'll find out more, I'm sure. I hope it all clears up soon - I like working with IBM, so far - but it's gonna take time to tell.

    4. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by thefear · · Score: 1

      I wonder how this will change how American government uses the Blue Gene supercomputers. No more 'Top 5' supercomputers for the EPA?

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    5. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      It's only temporary - I would imagine IBM is doing everything in its power to get it lifted ASAP.

    6. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by crtech · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is definitely NOT a hoax or a joke. Here's the press release from IBM: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/23785.wss

    7. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This appears to be the result of a currently unawarded 2006 contract with the EPA for 80 million dollars to overhaul their financial systems. Information is scarce, but it seems that EPA employees may have given IBM information which should have been withheld.

      http://www.crn.com/government/207000896

    8. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by hey! · · Score: 1

      How can taxpayers benefit from such move?


      Well, the answer as you obviously have guessed is that they don't. At least not on balance.

      There's a philosophy in government contracting that if an ounce of medicine benefits a patient, then a quart would be thirty two times better. It's the fault of politics, with its fondness for oversimplification and grand gestures.

      As a taxpayer, you're screwed. As a voter, you can at least do a little. Don't vote for the guy who is promising to run the most ethical administration ever, nor the one who is running on his superior moral character. Vote for the one who will open up the operations of government to the most scrutiny. Don't vote for the guy who promises to eliminate all the waste and fraud, vote for either (a) they guy who promises to eliminate the program or (b) the guy who promises to make the program deliver measurable results.

      In short, don't expect miracles or be taken in by people who promise them.
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    9. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      How can taxpayers benefit from such move?

            What, do you work for IBM? Unbelievable reasoning, even for April Fool's Day.

            According to your reasoning, Enron should still be kicking.

        rd

    10. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well with COTS products I would assume you can get a reseller to get you those products, a ban on their software would be to far reaching and IBM would be forced to bring massive legal muscle to the table to prevent that.

      Now this is usually stops awards of new work, but on going work should be fine, what about option years on multi year contracts? IDIQ task orders? They already won the contract and are bound to those terms, so can't they continue to go after new task orders? With security/defense related items I believe the FAR allows for solo sourcing when they can prove that there is no other vendor able to perform the task. Any decent IBM Program Manager is talking to his or her COTR right now and explaining just that.

      ahhh Big Blue must have 100s of millions in backlog, they will ceremoniously roll some heads and get back to business. Of course those of us with small IT shops will be calling our contacts at Big Blue to see if we can "help out", nothing like getting the juggernaut of IBMs capture and proposal teams to help out because they cannot directly compete.

    11. Re:Not a hoax, not a joke. by darkob · · Score: 1

      Funny you should say that, but the taxpayers, workers (in or out of the ENRON), pensioners and many others would cleraly be better off if ENRON never went bancrupt, if ENRON never had such fate as it did. However, ENRON, at the time, represented "new breed of capitalism" where very top of the management went far (literally) to cover for some highly dubious activities directed squarely to pockets of their shareholders (for example, misrepresenting accounting sheets is and should always be a biiig no-no), to personally profit on such moves, while neglecting core activities of the company. ENRON quickly and savagely climbed the ladder of success, obviously with little or no regard to either of those later affected by it's fall. So I say to you that comparing company that works hand in hand with partners (suppliers and buyers, employees and government) for 120 years (IBM was established in 1888 according to Wikipedia) with wanabees like ENRON is preposterous, hineous and highly offensive. And no, I don't work for the IBM, I have never worked for the IBM and my comments are based on practical knowledge. Govt. action is simply wrong on many levels.

  24. Did IBM refuse to go along w/ Illegal Gov't Spies? by mikelieman · · Score: 1

    Sounds like classic payback by some "Loyal Bushies", doesn't it?

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  25. I don't know which is more surprising.... by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    that IBM got suspended or that IBM only earned 1.5 Billion dollars of the US business.

    The government spends a fortune on IT, I can't imagine a company as large as IBM not having a bigger piece of the pie. Perhaps they don't pay Congress enough during elections?

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    1. Re:I don't know which is more surprising.... by Christian+Smith · · Score: 1

      that IBM got suspended or that IBM only earned 1.5 Billion dollars of the US business.

      The government spends a fortune on IT, I can't imagine a company as large as IBM not having a bigger piece of the pie. Perhaps they don't pay Congress enough during elections?


      My guess is that that is 1.5 Billion profit. Earnings are generally after expenses.
    2. Re:I don't know which is more surprising.... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I think the $1.5Bn number may only be in reference to consulting services rendered to the Federal government, and not hardware/systems sales. It does seem small even for that, though.

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  26. So, they failed to bribe some scumbags by unity100 · · Score: 1

    And they invented a reason to ban them from government contracts. Well, thats unheard of, especially for bush administration (!)

  27. Haliburton by misanthrope101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering what Haliburton has done (and been caught/fined for) and yet is still chugging along without a hitch, what did IBM have to do to get suspended altogether?

    1. Re:Haliburton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM probably failed to contribute enough for "friendly causes" or failed to hire appropriate number of "consultants" or failed in other way to play by some "big-boys" rules.

    2. Re:Haliburton by Spyder · · Score: 1

      If that was the reason, they would have done something much more subtle. This kind of action has a mushroom cloud attached, and any malfeasance will be exposed, real or perceived by anybody anywhere near this thing.

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    3. Re:Haliburton by darkob · · Score: 1

      Psyichology behind certain brutal actions (by the government) may not always be clear or immediately understandable. But this latest move is certainly brutal beyond comprehension, and while some other companies were sued (by the federal government AND some states) never had "remedy" come in form of immediate and abrupt cancellations of new govt. orders, let alone immediate and mandated switch to other suppliers and technologies. And the last action is the most troubling and worrisome. Once the switch is made it's hard to get contracts back, and even in that case damage is usually permanet (on both sides, on side of the supplier and the govt. side). The damage on the side of the government is paid by the government (and subsequently taxpayers, that's why this action is NOT in the interest of the taxpayers), but the damage sustained by the supplier falls onto the company, employees, shareholders, subcontractors and the technology itself. What we see here is not mere EPA action. It's coordinated and orchestrated attack on "Big Blue" by the top. And it opens myriad of other possibilities. It's not about "just 1%" of the revenue. Tomorrow government may say that IBM cannot get ANY federal money (in effect imposing economic sanctions against the company, which this first move surely looks like) even from their perspective buyers. Thus, anyone making business with the IBM stays dry of federal orders. In effect forcing them as well to switch to another (competing) technologies. This issue may not (in the long run) be related to the technology (Open Source vs. closed source) or with the politics (Democrats vs. Republicans), or even with the wild acusations that the Open Source movement is a new breed of communism (and therefore un-American). But right now this "example" is so wildly out of the ordinary that all options about the main motives are on the table.

    4. Re:Haliburton by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      No no. You are comparing apples and gold oranges.
      Halliburton is on "our" side: The good side. It is fighting terror and assisting our troops valiants by providing them with MRE, hot showers, massages, etc., to help us defeat terrorists. It is in fact unfairly targetted by the communist-lefty press for war-profiteering.

      IBM, on the other hand tried to lobby, without campaign money, for a new contract.
      That IS a crime! How dare IBM lobby our esteemed congressmen and waste their precious time without reimbursing them in any way?

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    5. Re:Haliburton by ibsteve2u · · Score: 0

      Halliburton is on "our" side: The good side.

      Halliburton is the good guys?!?

      God save us from the bad guys...

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  28. Re:April Fewls by whoda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know the world is going to crap when slashdot readers blindly click on links without looking at the URL they are headed for.

  29. OOXML Bitch Slap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    IBM have been one of the most prominent corporate voices against ISO's approval of OOXML.

    Imagine how IBM's investors will feel about this news.

    With OOXML looking like its scraping through ISO, surely this is a Redmond-inspired powerplay to remind IBM that they need to start toeing the line or be crushed.

    For me there is a clear message in this announcement. Its not a coincidence.

    1. Re:OOXML Bitch Slap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you smoking and can I have some?

      IBM has always had significantly more political clout that MS. You can bet IBM had to do something pretty bloody bad in order to get such a suspension as the financial costs to both IBM and the government here will be extensive and far reaching. I am sure MS loves the fact that you think they are all mighty god in america, luckily the rest of us though live in reality.

  30. Re:April Fewls by computerman413 · · Score: 1

    Rickroll alert!

  31. This is the Republicans playing hardball. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for IBM at the EPA agency they are claiming was affected, and even though my group runs the systems they are talking about, no one said a thing to any of us about this until today. The rumor here is that IBM corporate has been a bit too friendly with the Democratic candidates for the upcoming election and that this action is blow back intended to punish the company. Apparently there will be some more actions like this coming up in the next few months as more companies will be "made an example of".

  32. IBM in trouble with feds during cold war, too? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

    Didn't IBM get in trouble with the U.S. government once before - resulting in big fines - for selling mainframes("supercomputers") to people behind the Iron Curtain(USSR itself?) during the Cold War?
    My search-fu is failing to pull up a valid reference to this. Maybe I made it up. :)

    1. Re:IBM in trouble with feds during cold war, too? by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

      You did, but I like the sense of immagination. Maybe you should take on writing. =)

  33. How backward. by Erris · · Score: 0, Interesting

    IBM is banned but squeaky clean M$ gets a pass and ISO certification. I suppose the EPA needed to make room in it's budget for Vista, new word processors and the supercomputers required to run them. The Bush administration has zero credibility in technical and scientific matters but this is a staggering new low.

    You have the suck backwards too. IBM will miss 1% of their revenue much less that taxpayers will miss their services. The last time I looked, IBM was delivering product people wanted. What's going to take it's place? Dell servers running vapor and Windows 7? What nuts.

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    1. Re:How backward. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hiya twitter, still trolling? Oh well, cheer up! Someday you might get enough sock puppets together to mod yourself past your usual -1.

    2. Re:How backward. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in it's budget
      take it's place

      "its".

  34. Greed by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

    I remember when I was a youngster living in South Africa. We were told that the government was corrupt because they were white supremacists. Then the black government came into power and were just as corrupt. It then dawned on me that PEOPLE=GREED and POWER=OPPORTUNITY. When I studied government administration as one of my college modules we did the prcuremnt process and the lecturer went to great pains to tell us some of the schemes that people came up with to win contracts. Wow, the human mind has no limit when it comes to selfishness.

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  35. I'm not surprised by recharged95 · · Score: 1
    It's likely just that agency.

    But I'm sure they can still subcontract through other vendors. It's just that they won't make as much money.

    IBM has been banned several times from other agencies. My old place, they were banned for 2 years, but then sub-ed to SAIC in the mean time. Nothing new here.

  36. IBM's Eligibility Reinstated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    ARMONK, N.Y. - 04 Apr 2008: IBM (NYSE: IBM) announced today an agreement with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to terminate the temporary suspension order barring IBM from participating in new Federal government business.

    Effective immediately, IBM will resume participating in new business with all federal agencies -- ending a suspension that began March 27, 2008.

    IBM will continue to cooperate with the EPA's ongoing investigation of possible violations of the Procurement Integrity provisions of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy Act regarding a bid for business with the EPA, and with a related investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Virginia.

    link: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/23814.wss