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3G iPhone Expected in June
MaineCoasts writes "The Times Online reports that European sellers of the iPhone are braced for 'significant losses' on unsold inventories of first-generation iPhones which must be cleared away for the new 3G versions expected in June. The three European distributors of the iPhone 'sold 330,000 units to the end of December, but industry sources say that European sales of the iPhone were forecast to be between 500,000 and 600,000.'"
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If they're just blowing them out, I'll take one at a discount :)
It would be cool if we could see:
3g
uncripled bluetooth so it pairs with a gps mouse
mms
copy/paste
camera with flash
flash support in browser
Just prove that most of us europeans aren't retarded enough to fall for their stupid pricing schemes. I would never buy a fucking phone for 18.000 sek of which only 3.000 sek or so was payed at purchase.
Nerd as I am I don't have any friends, girls and don't do phone calls. So the "services" I get for the monthly fee are more or less completely useless. Just give me the gadget!
I've been thinking about getting one and unlock it but I'm to lazy to read how it's done, but I've got the impression it's easy and you can do it yourself nowadays? But I don't think they are sold in Sweden yet so I still have to buy it from some other place and then someone have probably already unlocked it and try to earn some cash on it.
I'll have 'em if nobody wants 'em.
Until the phone is available unlocked it's worthless to me. I need to travel between the US and UK, and don't want to have to pay extortionate roaming fees when I already have sims for networks either side.
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What they really say is: "Damn, we shoudn't have been THAT greedy." or "Hm.. maybe our pricing model was too over the top?"
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Real fucking keyboard. I am not touching anything which does not have one. I can not take it forever to type one para in my email.
iPhones aren't available yet in Belgium and the Euro is very strong compared to the US dollar, so a lot of people visiting the US bring an iPhone home.
The three UK retailers (Apple, 02 and Carphone Warehouse) have all dropped the price from £269 to £169 a few days ago. They claim this price is valid till the 1st of June. It's still stupidly priced - I can go into a shop, buy one for £169, go home, jailbreak it and that's it. If I follow what they want me to do and sign up for the semi-unrelated contract, I get screwed for £35/month and for some reason have to agree to being screwed monthly.
By comparison, my current phone contract which gave me a free HTC Tytn II is £15/month for free internet and £60+ worth of calls and texts.
Say no to the new pricing model - if you have to, buy an iPhone, but get another phone for free on a new contract and sell it to recoup the costs.
But I can already get a 16G iPhone now. What's the big deal?
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I wonder, after we take into account the exchange ratio will it be a better deal for US customers to buy an imported iphone at the expected clearance prices? Unfortunately Apple almost certainly has contracts with distributors that prevent them from stepping on each others' territory like that, so they won't be sold directly to the US, but through 3rd parties who will tack on their own profit margin.
Still, since iPhone unlocking is so easy now, I'd consider buying one if it worked out to be cheap.
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Nobody was asking that question. Least of all on /.
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No, since it just cost slightly less and have much less functionallity. Also I would so much prefer the new Sony mp3-players, cowon d2, Sansa Clip/Fuze, over an iPod.
Over here you can buy a card with credits on it which you spend if you make phone calls, so it's easy to have a cellular phone which doesn't cost anything / month if you don't use it. Or you can get a real cheap subscription with free calls within the network and eventually other networks and/or landlines to.
If I could get the iPhone for 3000 sek as a gadget and then only pay for the phone calls I would actually make I would probably have gotten one by now.
updated software has fixed the MMS issues.
Very few phones have camera's with flash
I disable flash most of the time now anyways,
I will take 3g and either uncrippled bluetooth for a GPS dongle, or my favorite a car adaptor dock, with a GPS receiver built in. That way GPS runs off my car battery not killing the iphones battery. Copy paste, is a software/interface issue. figure it out and release it as a patch apple.
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I don't think the new model will cause problems for the resellers. The iPhone is not sold in every European country; so far only Britain, Germany and France, I believe. In any case, it's not as if there are 500,000 to 600,000 iPhones laying around in the warehouses and on store shelves. There are few unsold iPhones out there, and those who remain can easily be cleared out in a sale. A new model is of course a good thing - a natural progression. I am very happy for Apple and customers worldwide.
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Get yourself a cheap phone from a few years ago off ebay. Decent battery life and a clear display. Then you can send your texts, phone for a taxi and use it in emergencies. Sorted.
Maybe you could use the cash you save to get yourself a girl for the evening? Just a thought... Because "don't do phone calls" was a round off, I guess I may do cellular phone calls like 2 times a month, and regular ones 1-2 times a day, but I could see myself scrapping the SIP-client and only use cellular if my phone wasn't shit.
I had an Ericsson T28s (3500 sek or something) which I liked, was quite "high end" and expensive then but had 60h battery life. Replaced with Samsung C55 (1200 sek) which I killed by some food wetness, had good battery life and slim form factor and was cheap with no extra functionallity (except JAVA and WAP which I never used anyway..)
Got an Sony-Ericsson Z300 used for 250 sek, low end phone, but I guess I should be using it. Got a Motorola W220 for 350 sek new just because if I signed up for Comviq Kompis for a year I got a cheaper price on it, and the Kompis subscription was free for that year so
So I already have a cheap phone, but an unlocked iPhone would give me an mp3-player, a slick UI, probably much better audio quality than the piece of shit low-end phones I have now (which may be the most important factor to get it), a decent calendar (I guess) and would sync with iCal. All nice features, but not worth whatever the price are in USA (like 400 + 24*400 or something.)
I don't want a girl for the evening, or a fat girl, or an ugly girl, and preferably not a girl with kids or a meat eating girl either.
Well, to be frank, I'm surprised that iPhone took off in Europe at all.
Before iPhone, over here in Germany, there were literally no affordable data rates. Now there are. But still those which are affordable are useless on iPhone due to the all the limits set low.
Also, 3G despite being rolled out all over Europe, still used by only fraction of people. So it is not really any major attraction.
If Celcos want to move more iPhones they have to lower data rates considerably, so they will be accessible to majority of European market - youth, students and alike.
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Are these the same "sources" that attempted to screw with Apple's stock price by inventing a "whisper number" of one million expected iPhone sales at release when numbers of expected sales were in the 150 to 350 thousand mark?
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I at some time converted the american prices for the iPhone + subscription and it ended up being 13.500-18.500 sek in total. It's not sold in Sweden afaik so I have no idea what it would cost here.
Yeah, I know there doesn't live that many people in Canada and that it's huge, northern Sweden are poorly covered outside bigger cities aswell and we have much higher population density I guess even thought it's low by almost anyones standards.
Over here you can get an unlocked phone without subscription and put in a pre-paid card in it, Or probably save like 150 sek or something if it's locked.
Earlier (like 5-10 years ago) you used to get the phone for free and pay for a subscription which let you phone up all the money, which was a good deal.
But nowadays more or less everyone are costumers already so they don't benefit that much from signing up an old one, so the deals aren't that good longer. So it's more like either you pay say 500-6000 sek for the phone and use it as you please, or you pay 0-2000 sek for the phone and get a subscription with an additional fee which translates to the lower price you had.
So like you can get phone XYZ for 4000 sek or you can get it with a subscription which cost say 99 sek and then 199 sek / month for the phone in 18 months for 4000-199*18.
So your quite free to do as you want and no one are forcing you to get some bad deal but you aren't going to do a good one either. I just wish that they made a law there everyone had to put up the total price for the phone instead of the in store price. Because now you often see like "Get the Sony-Ericsson W890i for 1 sek from Telenor" and then you have to find out all the months and fees your own and calculate the total price and compare with others and all that crap. It would be much better if they just said "Get the Sony-Ericsson W890i for 5000 sek with 24 months subscription which let you make all the phone calls you want within Telenor and to land lines."
I'm sorry but "I don't want... or a meat eating girl either"????? Are you crazy? (LOL - just in case)
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There have been SO many predictions, all going somewhere between May and June. It's a shame Apple did not give a better idea as to when the new device was coming out so these suppliers didn't have to buy quite as many units. http://www.3giphoneinfo.com/
My Sony Ericsson K750i has a decent flash.
Says who? O2/T-Mobile, or Apple... Apple is the one demanding a cut of the carriers' revenue. Hence, no carrier subsidized iPhones.
What I find interesting is.. oh wow, only 50 posts in the first 90 minutes? Where are the fanboys now? Seven months ago, when I predicted with prefect accuracy that Apple would fail, you couldn't get them to STFU. They were gaa gaa over the iPhad, and now look... They are nowhere to be found. Fair weather fanboys as always. Those fanboys aren't real Mac fans. They don't care if Apple is delivering great products. They buy Apple as a status symbol.
Apple has failed. Apple failed for reasons I outlined months... almost a year ago. I predicted it before the phone even launched. Apple is selling a locked product that is defective by design. Worse, Apple is spitting in the face of the Mac developers who are truly the most hardcore mac fans out there. That's bad business.
And my Sharp GX25 has a flash :)
I'm an Apple-critical Mac user (love their designers, really dislike their business practices), and I don't own an iPhone for many of the reasons described in this thread. But the problems with the iPhone are eminently fixable, and I expect the iPhone to become a stronger product over the next couple of years. In Europe, it is a flop. But in the US, it is doing well, and the surprise success it is enjoying as a status symbol among the elite of less-developed nations (as awkward as that is, perhaps, for those of use who might have some qualms about those elites) who are inevitably buying locked phones and unlocking them to get them to work on local networks must be sending a strong signal to Apple. I don't know what the details of their contracts with AT&T, etc., is, but I suspect that they've retrieved a couple of their Rottweiler lawyers from attacking bloggers and supposed trademark and trade secret violators to look for ways to end their exclusivity deals ASAP.
I hope so, because I'm unlikely ever to use AT&T, and I travel overseas far too much not to swap SIMs. (I'm more likely to buy the Japan version of the iPhone than the US one, if push came to shove.)
I don't know about other European countries, but in Denmark advertisers are obligated to specify the minimum total payment during the binding period. This has obviously meant lower demand for the "low initial cost, high subscription fee. And even those who sell with a subscription often sell the phones unlocked. You are free to choose another cell company, but you still have to pay the subscription fee in the binding period.
I believe lots of people now think a locked phone is simply "uncool", which would work against the iPhone.
You sure? My own Sony Ericsson K750i hasn't got a flash. It's got some naff white LEDs which light up, but they're on continuously - it's definitely not got a conventional, camera-style xenon flash tube.
Not that I care, of course - flash photography is the spawn of the devil. And is why I spend a bit too much on fancy, low-light lenses for my Canon dSLR...
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Not that kind of meat :/, it's all ok if she hunger for meat, aslong as she don't eat the wrong kind :/
My Sony Ericsson K750i has taken surprising few photos.
Yes it has a flash, but the photos don't compare well to photos taken from a cheap dedicated digital camera.
To be honest, I hate the ever growing distribution of camera-phones.
I'm fed up with my every (usually drunken) movement being photographed and posted on MyFace by my friends/colleagues/whatever... If I wanted my wife to know what I got up to, I'd bring her along for the evening.
Holy my ass (huh huh), I just got sick of this overrated and overused topic getting hauled out as a safe and lazy attempt to get a "funny", whether or not it actually was. (I get the impression that everyone thinks it's "funny" because they think that everyone else thinks it's funny... circular humor, go figure)
Newsflash... Slashdot *is* full of nerds, and the post reflected that, so I don't care if it's an original observation or not, it was relevant to what I was saying. If I'd made a piss-poor joke about girlfriends or parents basements without any prior reason, you might have had a point.
Don't know WTF it being an Apple article has to do with it either. Am I supposed to be an Apple fanboy or something? I didn't think I was, but then I remembered that I was given an iPod Nano for Christmas last year. I Don't use it that much, but maybe I caught the "uppity" disease from it anyway. Or maybe you're just talking out of your backside.
Until the iPhone can hold a candle to one of these running Xubuntu ( Ubuntu + Xfce ) , then I will just consider it a toy, with its one redeeming feature being multi-touch integrated with a great UI.
See my previous post on this topic : http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=513868&cid=22992830
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How about getting rid of one sim card and buying the international plan?
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I can't wait to see whether they will change the design or not. I have a feeling that design changes will have a negative affect for SDK developers due to the touch screen design...
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Until the Apple iPhone, my US friends were always amazed at the array of phones available to us Europeans... (and we in Europe drool at the Korean and Japanese models)
Ok - then comes the iPhone. It's released in the US and to a rapturous fanfare. This makes sense.. it is so far ahead of what is available in the US market.
Compared to the European market... we are much more developed. The models of phones we have are very, very good and the networks are generally better (yes I know we all complain, but seriously, you don't want know the hassles the US customers have to endure).
So when the iPhone arrived to our shores... we wanted something that was MUCH better than what we already had on offer on all levels (the feature set and price). What we got was something not much more advanced than say a N95, or a Sony P990.. the only good thing was the UI, strong browser and the ubiquitous "iPod". (Yeah.. def rather have iTunes over a Sony Sonicstage ATAC hash up)
The price is not subsidised, yet the contract is still not the cheapest. This is why in Europe we have been demanding more to the iPhone.. I think when it is once 3G, MMS and more of a "computer" with the cut/paste - it will do blindingly well - Oh.. and if its NOT locked to one provider.
This is why (if there is) a stockpile of 8G iPhones!!!
I have to admit, I do have an iPhone (16G), but its more of a replacement to a Blackberry and Nano. For me it was for convenience.. personally not so worried about 3G (as I am always near a WLAN) and I have a real camera for photos..
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The three European distributors of the iPhone 'sold 330,000 units to the end of December, but industry sources say that European sales of the iPhone were forecast to be between 500,000 and 600,000.'"
That's a really poor showing. The Nokia N95 sold more than a million units in the UK alone in 2007; that's a single model and a single country, and it didn't have anywhere near the hype surrounding the iPhone release:
http://www.intomobile.com/2007/11/28/brief-nokia-n95-sales-in-the-uk-top-1-million.html
I can't figure out why anybody would buy an iPhone: it's a clunky phone with clunky desktop integration. Adding 3G doesn't change that.
It's made for people who are happy to pay a few bucks so they can use the phone often and play with all the data apps.
I trust you recognize the iPhone is not for you and so stop trying to Yugo a Ferrari.
How is this news? Oooo a 3g harddrive!! Cutting edge technologies!!! Like the original iPhone couldn't have had a 3g hd. I am not impressed.
It's been available unlocked since Day 1. Visit your local independent retailer for details, Rip Van Winkle.
in essence, you're saying when they slap an apple logo on an HTC touch (ouch!).
Which lens do you recommend? Do you have any sample photographs?
I bought my first "real" camera not too long ago. I've got a lot to learn, but I'm having a lot of fun.
Or when HTC comes out with a device that has 8gb+ storage, great touchscreen and a fast processor. Maybe they allready have such a device on the market, i havent looked at them in a while. Last time i checked the htc didnt have a really quick cpu. Lack of a full keyboard and a slow cpu are the major downsides of the nokia n73 i am looking to upgrade from.
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If you're after a lens, you need to know what you want to do first. If you're after low-light lenses, there aren't many choices. Just look at lenses with a maximum aperture of f2.0 or wider in fixed focal lengths. If you are after zooms, then f2.8 is considered a low-light zoom. But I prefer the fixed focal lengths - my low-light lenses are: 28mm f1.4, 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.4, 135mm f2.0, 200mm f2.0.
Usually there is only one such option for these in a given manufacturer's lineup.
... and then they built the supercollider.
Well, I'm not a fan of the iPhone. But I don't see how you can say that Apple has failed with the iPhone. I don't think making millions of dollars selling a popular product is failure.
... and then they built the supercollider.
I don't know what is included in that, since there sort of are very few jews in Sweden I guess. If it requires Halal slaughter or something like that those are probably the worst kinds, so no. But I don't even know why I answer this, off topic as hell.
... Praise the cock..
Not to mention I'd prefer to have a girl of no religion at all
You aren't alone. It would be more surprising if you were.
But I don't see how you can say that Apple has failed with the iPhone. I don't think making millions of dollarsApple made millions of dollars selling G4 cubes too.
selling a popular product is failure.You forgot to read the part about how they aren't so popular... I mean, that's the entire point of the article here and the article I linked to in business week. I'd link you to another article about how they cut their Q2 iPhone shipments from China in half, but you obviously aren't reading any of them so that would be wasted effort.
That's redundant, considering the US is the technological backwater of the mobile phone universe...
yeah, iPhone wooh.... who cares. Time to bring on the google phone already.
Somehow, I doubt that Apple will release a 3G iPhone straight to Europe and NOT have it available in the US. In order to be used in the US, it needs FCC approval. The FCC operates an open approvals process, with the devices being displayed on their web site for everyone to see and comment on.
That approvals process takes time. I somehow doubt that it only takes 6-8 weeks.
So, retail availability in June?
... and that is the main reason why European customers don't jump for it!
Not to mention that phones available in US suck badly. N95 and similar phones are killers for US market.
So what's that 2-3 styles of camera phones with flash? wow that is a so in demand feature. I bet it has a color screen too.
Cell phone camera's are dumb. The only good reason they have to exist would be for a video phone that no one uses.
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I don't like AT&T, and get free phone service from work anyway. I like having a computer in my pocket, and was thinking about the touch. I'd hate to buy and then a week later have a hardware refresh
Well I just bought a Time Capsule in the home it would backup my iMac and the 3G iPhone I crave, but considering it doesn't seem to function that well (38GB over wifi always fails), its denting my confidence in Apple.
:( - hope I am wrong.
The Time Capsule doesn't work over wifi with Orange Broadband in the UK - I have to use ethernet cable to connect it to my router!, so I doubt their iPhone will work fantastically on wifi either
How about less new products, and more fixing of the ones launched only a couple of months ago, so that they work as promised? Or is that just not as good for the hype?
I'd love to be an apple fanboy, but the time capsule is stopping me.
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The video quality is excellent and i do like (for the most part) the UI. Still, unless there's some 3G killer app (Slingbox client?) i'll likely hold off on the iPhone 3G; perhaps I'll get one of those Creative Zens instead just for video. http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=16999