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PC Gaming Suggestions for Console-like Fun?

jayminer writes "We are a relatively newly married young couple who enjoy spending our spare time at home. We don't own a console but have a gaming laptop with DVI output to play games on our TV. My wife is also a CS major so she's computer literate enough. She does not like strategy games, MMORG or any other role-playing game. Apart from "Find the Sausage" jokes, we need quality gaming advice, preferably games which we can play with a single laptop connected to a single large screen, with two gamepads, a console-like experience. What are your suggestions?"

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  1. Obvious answer... by richy+freeway · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just buy a console.

    1. Re:Obvious answer... by Aranykai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Simple and sweet. Its really the truth though.

      Ive sat here and tossed around all the game I can remember playing over the years, and the ones worth the time all equate one pc with one player.

      Consoles are the king of multi user gaming hands down. Like suggested above, nab an old console. PS 1 or Nintendo 64 or such should be had for under 75 USD with several games.

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    2. Re:Obvious answer... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The load it with Emulators. Most of my friends aren't the huge gaming type. When we get together to hang out we don't want to sit through a tutorial on how to play SuperHappyBallComando4. We want the games we grew up with (and some from before then).

      Super Mario Bros 3, Pong, Frogger, PacMan. Plus they make excellent drinking games (One shot for every fruit you didn't get on a PacMan level.) The best thing is an xBox can store ALL of these games and more.

      Or you could even get some classic looking controllers and play these on the laptop.

    3. Re:Obvious answer... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would suggest emulators.

      For arcade games, you can use MAME

      http://mamedev.org/

      Once you've got MAME, you need a set of current ROM files for it. You can find ROMs on BitTorrent or on any P2P application.

      As MAME evolves, the ROM sets get replaced with new and better extractions, so you'll want a piece of software to manage them.

      ClrMAMEPro is a tool that will use the data files from the latest version of MAME, and scan a big huge mess of old ROM files, extracting whatever is useful from them into a nice, neat set that works with the current version

      http://www.clrmame.com/

      To get yourself set up, download any new or old MAME ROMs you can find, then use ClrMAMEPro to make a proper and current set out of them and burn it to backup.

      There are also emulators floating around out there for Playstation, Nintendo 64, NES and Super NES. I've gotten good performance out of Project 64, an emulator for Nintendo 64. MarioCart plays quite well.

      When you're choosing GamePads, you should look for something wireless that has as many buttons as you can possibly find. You want to be able to map the controller you choose to every possible controller from history, so you're going to need something that is flexible.

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    4. Re:Obvious answer... by trdrstv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its much cheaper to buy a game or two (maybe 30) than it is to buy a console and then buy games for it...

      Only if you're talking "Current gen". A Used Gamecube is $30 at Gamestop, and a Used X-box is $60. There are a Ton of good Co-op games for cheap (NHL HITZ is an all time favorite). Hell instead of buying the extra controller, buy 2 Gamecubes and an extra memory card in case you both want to game solo at some point.

    5. Re:Obvious answer... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps his particular brand of morality says it's wrong to break laws - even though the laws themselves may be wrong.

    6. Re:Obvious answer... by orclevegam · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn lawful alignment. This is why we have a house rule of no paladins.

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    7. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, that might seem obvious if your idea of ethics is doing what you're told. I suppose that if you were told that you were supposed to pay for oxygen, you'd consider breathing unethical.

      Most of us though have our own consciences and prefer to use them. The simple act of copying a file in the privacy of my own home harms no one. Therefore, it cannot possibly be wrong.

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    8. Re:Obvious answer... by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lost revenue does harm the publisher, which in turn harms the developer. For a wide majority of older software, the publisher either isn't still in business, or couldn't care less whether you pirate a game from 1987... that's what makes up Abandonware. Some companies actively enforce their rights on older IP, even if they don't still intend to profit from it: LucasArts, for example. Others will distribute older software along with newer software... Sid Meier's Pirates!, for example, came with a copy of the original 1987 game, Pirates, on the DVD. Still others will freely distribute older IP through their website for free, like RockStar games with the Grand Theft Auto series. It's really up to the company.

      But for product that they're still selling or have plans to still sell (for example, anything that's on the Wii virtual console, or could be on the VC), they can quite easily demonstrate lost revenue from your copying the files.

      Just because you don't know the person that your actions harm, or you don't like them, doesn't mean that your actions don't have consequences. Whether your conscience is ok with that or not is up to you. I'm not getting involved. But don't lie to yourself over whether it harms anybody, because it hurts your argument.

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    9. Re:Obvious answer... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, easy enough to demonstrate... assuming I would have bought the files I copied for free. And also assuming that I'm not more likely to spend money on classic games when I get to try them for free first.

      But that's not really the point. The point is that copying a file is a private transaction between two consenting adults. The people who are behaving unethically are those who are trying to control voluntary consenting behavior. They're not losing any revenue because they're not ethically entitled to stick their noses into my private business in the first place.

      If the Sex Worker's Association of America bought as many congressmen as the RIAA/ESA has, they'd try to levy royalties on me every time I had sex with my girlfriend. And that would be just as fair as the situation with copying ROMs.

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    10. Re:Obvious answer... by Crackmonkeyjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That morality gets a little tenuous with things like Atari and NES games, where you probably couldn't buy it if you wanted to, and even if you could, it would be second hand and therefore of nominal benefit to the creator.

    11. Re:Obvious answer... by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am sitting at home. I press a button to copy a file. Not pressing that button would not have generated any revenue for the copyright holder of the file, therefore pressing the button has not cost them any revenue.

      The "lost revenue" argument is a joke. It may (and probably does) apply to people who produce illegal copies for distribution, but has zero weight with regards to individuals making copies for themselves.

    12. Re:Obvious answer... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 2, Funny

      You just went through all that to basically justify publishing the fact you have a girlfriend and have sex with her, didn't you?

  2. Buy a console by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are wanting to play on your television opposed to a monitor, you probably have a pretty nice TV. Chances are your laptop cannot run at a resolution where you would even enjoy this experience.

    The 360 and the Wii cost less than the original NES did if you count in inflation. Do some research in game libraries and pick one. Well worth the investment.

    In terms of games, Guitar Hero is addicting.

    1. Re:Buy a console by Hoplite3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or even cheaper, buy a console from the last generation: xbox, ps2, gamecube. You can get them used for peanuts or new for a bit more. Best of all, there are GOOD lists of what games for the console are actually fun.

      Reviews of modern games are often clouded by hype and irrelevant trends. Many nerds will retrospectively look at their video game library and wax poetic about the ones that are still fun (and they'll do it on their blog thanks to ego^w web 2.0). You can get these games used for $3-$10. A seven-year-old game can still be fun.

      And if you haven't played it, it's new to you.

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  3. Stepmania by gatzke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get a couple of USB dance pads and try out Stepmania, a free DDR clone.

    Or get a Wii. Tons of simple flash games through the browser. Fun and simple.

  4. Emulators by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get some old-school console emulators and play some of the great classics.

    I'm sure that what constitutes a "classic" will vary here on /., but I prefer some of the older Super NES games... Tetris Attack is awesome.

    You didn't hear that from me, though...

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    1. Re:Emulators by xtracto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to second this idea.

      Just get SNES9X and download some games. I used to play that with my GF:
      - Mario Kart (SNES version is one of the best ones)
      - Lemmings (2 player snes version quite good)
      - TMNT (2 player cooperative)
      - Top Gear (one of the few two player coop. racing games where even if one is good enough, both of you will be able to go through the game [and you can cooperate by trying to block the first place cars to make one of you win :P])
      - Super Contra (a bit more "man" oriented, but fun coop too).
      - Rock and Roll racing (another nice racing game).
      - Battletoads in Battlemaniacs (two player kind of coop... a bit difficult [but quite fun if you enable infinite lives cheat])
      - Bomberman (My girlfriend loves these ones. It is OK multiplayer)
      - Joe and Mac (really funny caveman characters, multiplayer coop)
      - Super Mario All Stars (I can never be left out! including Super Mario Bros 3, i have played it with my girlfriend from the beginning to the end)

      - Ninja Gaiden Trilogy (not really multiplayer, maybe not really very good, but it is my favourite game of all time [Ninja Gaiden II for the NES] so I had to include it here =oP)

      Those are all I can think of now. The reason I choose SNES is because such games are not as complex as todays' games; therefore you can just sit start it and begin playing without two hours of tutorial (I am looking at you Wii Zelda ).

      Also, I think the SNES had the best kind of cooperative multiplayer games... these days it is very difficult to find such games in any console. The only cooperative games are FPS like "halo" but they are a turn off for most girls or other "casual" players.

      And, the reason I don't choose Wii (even though I have one, which is in its box since I moved home 2 months ago) is because I hate mini-games, and all the multiplayer games from Nintendo are mini games (wiiware, mario party, rayman raymin rabbits, monkeyball banana... etc).

      Oh! and the last one I would suggest is Worms. That is a really good game in which I have spent hours with my girlfriend and other friends (even a friend who never had used a computer had no problem playing the N64 emulated game =oO)

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  5. "Hey everybody, look at me!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Not only do I have a girlfriend, but we're MARRIED, and she wants to play video games with me! Oh, did I mention she loves Linux?"

    1. Re:"Hey everybody, look at me!" by Tikkun · · Score: 2, Funny

      I live with my gf who likes anime, 4chan, linux, and is a babe.

      There is a trick to getting this to work: just talk about what you love (in my case computers and anime) to everyone you meet regardless of gender. The first person of the opposite sex that doesn't run away from you and isn't related to you (or your boss, teacher, etc.) is likely compatible.

    2. Re:"Hey everybody, look at me!" by crhylove · · Score: 3, Funny

      Picture or it's fake!!

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  6. Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't mean to be presumptuous, but I would recommend you spend your spare time outside of your house exploring the world. You will have plenty of time to stay in the house if/when you decide to have children.

    1. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speaking as a geek married with four kids, I say any time spent enjoying each other's company is good. You also make the assumption that they have the desire and means to get out and explore the world... I know we didn't early in our marriage.

      Not saying that exploring the world is bad, but I think if they really enjoy gaming together, it's better than a lot of other alternatives. :)

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    2. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by jacop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am a happily married husband with several kids, play while you still can. I still play in my free time, but free time is a rare commodity in my home. When I was first married, I actually had the time to get out, and play videogames. Why would you stay in the house once you have children? I have never met a child that did not want to explore the world.

    3. Re:Speaking as a married husband with a kid... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't mean to be presumptuous, but why don't they skip doing what they enjoy, and instead do what you think they should be enjoying?

      If you didn't mean to be presumptuous, but knew it was sufficiently presumptuous to include the disclaimer, then why did you bother posting? So that we all know that you go outdoors? Next thing you know we'll be hearing about how you don't own a television either.

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  8. you're doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best game to play is "HIDE the sausage"!

  9. Lego Star Wars 1&2 by PinbalI · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lego Star Wars 1&2 can be played on PC with either keyboard or controller and has a good co-op function. You can probably find a torrent of it easy enough.

  10. Gametap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gametap.com. I like that. Go to walmart and buy a controller adapter for usb and you can both play games, old and new, arcade and console, from your laptop.

  11. continuum/ subspace by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

    a head designer was the guy who coined the term mmorpg. it is in fact the first (graphical, sorry mudders) example of an mmorpg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubSpace_(computer_game)

    its like the original asteroids, without the asteroids, and instead a maze of a bunch of other ships (random people from around the world)

    i think a lot of slashdotters messed with it 10 years ago, and forgot about it

    however, i recently rediscovered it (its free now) and was surprised to find a lot of zones still heavily populated. each zone has a different variation on the basic ship types and their abilities. you can waste 5 minutes or half an hour on it, to great effect

    nothing like meeting a guy in a tank from finland, dodging his mine, blowing him away, while a guy from china materializes out of cloak and shoots you in the back. its cheap and easy mmorpg fun without the massive time commitment something like WoW demands

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  12. Buy a Console by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In all seriousness, the total hardware cost of two gamepads, a TV out connector and a laptop graphics card needed to run the latest games will more than likely overrun the cost of just buying a PS2 or a Wii, Your spouse's tastes scream console gaming. No strategy games or RPGs? What does that leave? FPSes? Good luck finding a co-op FPS title.

    For Co-op play, console is King. There are a myriad of two player titles out there to cater for all tastes, and co-op is something that even gets included in some one player titles, owing to its popularity.

    PCs are not designed for what you're looking for. Consoles are, and they are cheaper, faster, easier and offer a better selection of titles. Just buy the damn Wii.

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  13. Re:Lego Star Wars! by OS24Ever · · Score: 2, Informative

    Coming soon too we have LEGO Raiders of the Lost Ark and such. It's amazing how fun that game is, especially with a competent second player.

    However, play it with a five year old, my god, you'll go insane. It's like playing Contra all over again.

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  14. Ok this is what you do. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    The issue with most PC Games even Multi-Player is they expect one person for PC, so they are normally networked for multi-player.
    Get 2 USB Keypads, and a Copy of VMWare. Install 2 OS the VMWare and copy of each game on it. setup the virtual network correctly and Link one USB Keypad to each VM. Now Resize the VM Windows so you have Split Screen. And there 2 of you can play games at once (even 2 different ones if you feel like it) on your laptop all for the price of getting a console.

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  15. Never mind games by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jesus, if you've got to resort to games this early on in marriage, that's not a good sign.

    Sexual deviance, man! That's what you need to try; your "find the sausage" game sounds like a good start. You're married, it's ok to do that now!

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  16. Lego Star Wars by Rhys · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ep1-3 and 4-6 are both excellent and are PC-available.

    I think guitar hero has a PC port, if you're into rhythm games. (ba-dum-ching!)

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  17. Re:a relatively newly married young couple? by onion2k · · Score: 4, Funny

    So what part of "No 'Find the Sausage' jokes" did you not understand?

    This is Slashdot, so I'm going to guess "all of it".

    What did I win?
  18. Console-like fun ey? by MadKeithV · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the console-like fun experience, you need a stick, a sharpening tool, and one of your eyes.

    Nintendo-Hard, look it up.

    (I kid, I kid).

  19. Atari 2600 by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here's a site showing the best atari games ever complete with the awesome box covers. So real gems in there, many you probably never heard of. Get an emulator and enjoy the nostalgia.

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  21. Re:Legal ROMs? by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Roms for SNES are abandonware anyhow. What makes you say that? Nintendo has not abandoned copyright in Super NES games. They are still being republished on Virtual Console.
  22. Re:Legal ROMs? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I recommend members of the general public relax and be cool. You're more likely to be hit by an asteroid than sued for sharing SNES roms.

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  23. YDKJ by ab0mb88 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a dated reference, but try to find some copies of the different versions of You Don't Know Jack. This is great for a young couple and really keeps the conversation and interaction going while you are playing... And the innuendo doesn't hurt either.

  24. Games you can play together by blindd0t · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since the post talks about what games the misses dislikes, I'll do my best with that even though no insight about what she does like was provided. Worms Armageddon is a seriously fun game anyone can play. It's an old game, and I want to say there is some hacked version that can run at higher resolutions than it was originally capable of handling, so I would suggest buying the game and looking into that. Also, I would recommend looking into emulators for NES, SNES, and so on. There is a ton of stuff out there for that which could provide a wide variety of games that are tons of fun to play (even if the graphics are far from top-notch).

    Even though you can't go spit-screen on this one, if either or both of you likes racing games, GTR2 is a seriously good racing simulator, but keep in mind that the average person might find its realistic physics to be frustrating. The Logitech Momo force-feedback steering wheel works exceptionally well for this and other racing games.

    If the misses also likes diablo-style games, Titan quest is a game my wife enjoyed. Again, you can't go split-screen here, but it could provide some good entertainment for both of you. Of course, if you have another PC in the house, you could play together over a LAN. ^_^

  25. Re:Lego Star Wars! by alta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I play it with my 5 year old, he skips all the damn coins... drives me nuts. We're somewhere like 60% but the kids scratched it so there's 2 levels we can't play at all. Just got to the lego city, that was a disapointment... They've bought all the characters, most of the good power ups, only the 2x multiplier though... They keep spending the money on stuff they won't use. I think my favorite setup is the ewok with the explosive catapult and invincibility... Just walk up and kill everything. My son drives me crazy playing explosive robots. It's funny though, he gets mad at his 3 year old brother for slowing HIM down.

    We just bought defender used. It's ok. The kids can't handle the mission instructions (get the people, bring them somewhere safe, if an alien gets them get them back) but it doesn't matter because they love to just fly around and shoot at stuff, even if it's each other.

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  26. Cortex Command by Peganthyrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My boyfriend and I have had a lot of fun with Cortex Command. It's a really entertainingly adolescent wargame that supports splitscreen play and joystick controllers.

    It's not actually finished but its active mod community makes it not matter - if one of you skims the forums now and then, you'll find all kinds of giggle-inducingly overpowered toys to play with. It's ultraviolent but it's on the border between 'obscene' and 'slapstick'...

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  27. Second hand by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've got a second hand Dreamcast at home for 50 euro's (roughly 75 US$) with a bunch of games. Consoles of around this generation (N64, PS, GC) onwards have all the types of games you'd want for a fraction of the cost of modern consoles.

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  28. Re:Lego Star Wars! by JosKarith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am waiting for Lego The Breakfast Club now...

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  29. Best Multiplayer PC Game of All Time by ChipmunkDJE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You Don't Know Jack
    This game is the BEST multiplayer experience you will find on a PC without playing a console game through a ROM. You won't find any other multiplayer experience that both of you can play on the same screen.
    In fact, almost ANY trivia game will fit this bill, but You Don't Know Jack is just the most fun of them all. Brings a whole new meaning to "screwing your wife". ;)

    Chippy

  30. re: MythTV and MAME by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most MythTV distributions include a MAME emulator, as well as a SNES emulator, and support for several others you can optionally download, install and configure in their menus.

    The nice thing about this is, it gives you a good excuse to dedicate an entire PC to your TV set, since it works as a very capable DVR, gives you a set-top web browser, and other goodies.

    The downside? At least from all the knoppmyth distros I've used, I've always had some hassle getting MAME working well with it. (EG. You can purchase wireless gamepad type controllers from Logitech that use USB dongles and are detected just fine in Linux. But you'll have to do some creative stuff with the xmame config file so you have all their buttons assigned in a sensible manner. If you don't assign one to simulate dropping coins in, for example, you'll never be able to get a new game to start from your controller.)

  31. Re:Legal ROMs? by JosKarith · · Score: 3, Funny

    Which isn't very reassuring if the ROM in question is Asteroids...

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  32. If "Find the Sausage" doesn't do it for you... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's always Rapid Onset, Vital Passage, or Sudden Thrust.

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  33. Re: MythTV and MAME by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pressing a button to put in a quarter is my favorite part.

    When I think of the number of times my weekly allowance was ALMOST enough money to beat Double Dragon... now it's "Hahahah, fuck you Willy. Click, click, click, click..."

    Petty I know. But very satisfying.

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  34. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by Danse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pretending to follow the law isn't the same thing as actually following it. Actually following it makes little sense when the law is as convoluted and ridiculous as copyright law is today.
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  35. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by LunarCrisis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's debatable, and I'm not saying you're wrong. The GG...GP asked a specific question though, and that was whether you could do it _without_ breaking the law.

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  36. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want to actually follow the law, you won't get out the door in the morning. It's almost inevitable that you will break some law today - fail to fix a minor building code violation in your house, use a pesticide or disinfectant in a manner contrary to its labeling, break a minor traffic law...there are so many laws that no one can hope to be compliant with them all.

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  37. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by twistedsymphony · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you can technically do it without breaking the law, it's just expensive and requires a high level of expertise to construct the ripping mechanism.

    at that point it'd be easier just picking up some old hardware too. Obviously by ripping your NES carts you'd miss out on the enthralling experience of blowing on the connector to get the damn thing to boot.

  38. Re:Remember my.mp3.com? by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can copy CDs to MP3s, but you cannot actually dump ROMs Citation needed. And don't immediately bring in Atari v. JS&A; that case rejected 17 USC 117(b), not 117(a) which covers adaptations that are necessary for use of a program on a given computer system.

    Turns out, ROMs are treated as "mask works" which disallow shifting to an electronic format. A mask work is a set of images. Notice that exclusive rights in mask works don't include preparing derivative works. Moreover, they last only 10 years, meaning the NES and Super NES libraries' mask work rights have expired, and the exclusive right that applies to those games is ordinary copyright.
  39. Definition of copyright abandonment by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    However, the case of CherryRoms shows that most SNES roms are fine to download. To stay legal, just find a ROM site that complies with takedown notices. So in other words, you say CherryRoms is in the same situation as YouTube.

    Moving on, it's unfortunate that you added to the confusion over terms by inventing the action of "abandoning copyright". I'm pretty sure this is not an actual legal term Wikipedia's article about abandonment states the following: "In the domain of copyright, abandonment is recognized as the explicit release of material by a copyright holder into the public domain." Nintendo has not done this with its own titles, nor has Nintendo done this with the code libraries that were "licensed by Nintendo" for linking into each game.

    However this reply fails to account for how business is actually done: video game companies often farm out development or other aspects of game making to third parties. Have you researched whether all these copyrights were transferred (and transferred correctly) to Nintendo? The copyright notice displayed when the program starts should disclose whether parts of the game were a work made for hire or merely licensed. For example, NBA Jam Tournament Edition contains a 2-screen legal notice containing "copyright Midway", "copyright NBA Properties", "copyright Acclaim", "programmed by Iguana", and "licensed by Nintendo". The wording of the notice appears to indicate that Iguana was under work-for-hire conditions, but everyone else mentioned owns a piece of the copyright.
    1. Re:Definition of copyright abandonment by crossmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and you never cited any to the contrary. Do you have any evidence that a rom nintendo claimed copyright on doesn't actually belong to them or are you just trolling?
      We can all sit around and spout theories all day, but since you proposed this line of thought why don't you provide some actual leg work?