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Usability Testing Hardy Heron With a Girlfriend

toomin writes "Reviews of the latest Ubuntu version, 8.04 Hardy Heron, are everywhere, but most of them are undertaken by geeks familiar with Linux. This guy sits his girlfriend down at a brand-new Ubuntu installation and asks her to perform some basic tasks. Some of them are surprisingly easy, others frustrate and annoy. There are lots of little usability tweaks he stumbles upon just by seeing the desktop experience from the point of view of the mainstream user."

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  1. I call Shenanigans!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Linux geek with a girlfriend?? Yeah right!

    1. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wonder if his wife knows about this...

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    2. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Particularly suspicious is that the only picture shown in the article of the alleged "girlfriend" is an admitted photoshop (that she apparently did herself) :).

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    3. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

      A Linux geek with a girlfriend?? Yeah right! If the geek is ambidextrous, the "girlfriend" could be the right, or could be the left.
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    4. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by AikonMGB · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is one of the problems with GIMP.. Who wants to show someone a picture that they edited and say "I GIMPed her in this picture"?

      Aikon-

    5. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Usability testing? With an OPEN SOURCE product?!

      This article is pure fiction. After all, usability testing is one of those things that evil proprietary software companies like Microsoft do!

    6. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      My girlfriend finds my hairy hardon perfectly usable since it came out of beta. Isn't a beta a type of fish?
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    7. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by cloakable · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not even Microsoft does usability testing - look at Vista!

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    8. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by syousef · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is one of the problems with GIMP.. Who wants to show someone a picture that they edited and say "I GIMPed her in this picture"?

      I don't know what it is about open source software and attrocious names. Ubuntu is no better. Fiesty Fawn? Gutsy Gibbon? Hardy Herron? I mean it's hard to come up with sillier names (but I'll try). I don't think I'll be using Ubuntu until I can casually say my wife got upset at me spending my weekend with Slutty Sow, Homo-erotic Horse, Randy Rhino and Lewd Lama.

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  2. He does what with his girlfriend ? by BattleCat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something is surely wrong, when instead of fscking her right proper he sits her down with Ubuntu...

    1. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm pretty sure running fsck was task number 13. No, task number 13 is to explore the oriface suite.
    2. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by tgd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Woh, I swear I thought you said fscking her right pooper and I wondered what kind of girl this is that has a right and left pooper.

    3. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by kevingolding2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This would be the deluxe model multi-user inflatable girlfriend.

    4. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by Wiseman1024 · · Score: 5, Funny

      While task number 14 would be to try backports. I'd love backporting her to the current version of my hardy hardon.

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    5. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by Provocateur · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, what's your definition of foreplay?

      Guy uses remote to start the Barry White

      GF: What's it called again?
      BF: Hardy Heron...
      GF: What er distro is this?
      BF: Ubuntu, baby, which is African for Jungle Love...

      (cue fireplace shot)

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    6. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's up with the mindless psuedo-feminism?

      Yes, a guy is going to be interested in treating a girl as a sex
      object. More likely than not, the girl will get upset if you don't.
      They will complain that you don't appreciate them or some such.

      Girls aren't just chaste nuns. Guys aren't just rampaging huns.

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    7. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do realize that people who actually have girlfriends have plenty of time to spend with them, and doing one thing doesn't preclude another?

      In any real-world relationship, even one with a good amount of sex, most of the time will be spent doing other things.

    8. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by mrscorpio · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, what's your definition of foreplay?


      I put on my robe and wizard hat....
  3. Usability Testing Hardon With a Girlfriend ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is Slashdot, not PenthouseDot or PlayboyDot.
    We don't have girlfriends to test the usability of our hardon's with.

    Oh... Hardy Herron, who's that ?

  4. Smart move by caution+live+frogs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's how user testing should be done. It is really much too difficult for someone familiar with the program or OS to see what is not obvious or confusing to a novice user. The people that program the UI don't always think like a user - they usually think like a programmer, and that doesn't always work.

    1. Re:Smart move by MMC+Monster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree. I expected this article to be a little silly, but it was well thought out.

      The new user was given a bunch of common tasks (play some music, draw a picture, play a video on youtube, use an instant messenger on MSN network, install a commonly used application (skype), edit a photo) and asked to perform them on a default installation of Ubuntu.

      Well done. The Ubuntu team (and other linux distributions) can learn a lot from this article alone. Hopefully it will give a target for other usability testing in the future.

      (And, no, I have nothing to do with the article author or website.)

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    2. Re:Smart move by Bombula · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What is positively astonishing is how persistent this problem is. Look back at the thousands of linux threads over the last 10 years, and you will see the SAME complaint again and again, and again. And again. And AGAIN. It is farking ridiculous.

      How hard is it to sit down and run a simple test like the (excellent) one this guy did with his girlfriend for every release?

      To Ubtunu's credit, most of the fault lies with the applications and not with the OS itself. Well-designed apps like Skype make things simple and intuitive for new users. But Ubuntu itself could develop specs for developers that required basic intros, wizards, etc for introducing and explaining the simple but non-obvious stuff to new users. Conversion rates would then skyrocket.

      Again, there is no logical reason why this hasn't been implemented before. The only explanation is therefore stupidity on the part of the developers - both on the OS and the app side. Cue the irony tag, given how clever most of these folks like to think they are. I guess what it shows is that being a math jock or code monkey with a stratospheric IQ doesn't make you a good UI designer any more than it makes you a suave and charming socialite.

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    3. Re:Smart move by ray-auch · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Again, there is no logical reason why this hasn't been implemented before.

      The word "girlfriend" should be a clue...

    4. Re:Smart move by Wiseman1024 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm, sisters... I'd date my sister.

      Oh, wait, were you talking about testing Linux?

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    5. Re:Smart move by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But Ubuntu itself could develop specs for developers that required basic intros, wizards, etc for introducing and explaining the simple but non-obvious stuff to new users. Require? Ubuntu got very little power to require upstream to do anything at all. It all depends on how end-user focused they are, some projects are almost "Well, WE know what the application does and how it works, if you want changes to suit new users go ahead but we don't care and won't help." That's why this all keeps coming back, applications change and the developers/power users know the changes so they don't maintain up-to-date intros/wizards. You must realize that to some people what you're talking about sounds like pure overhead.
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    6. Re:Smart move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would like to see them do the same thing with a non pre-configurated windows (no flash, no video or sound driver etc.) without any software that's not "out of the box". Oh - and it must read files from a Ubuntu partition to be able to burn music (let her figure out how to do this)...

      That would make the comparison a bit more fair don't you think?

    7. Re:Smart move by Cato · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually usability testing has been going on with Linux for many years - since at least 2001 for GNOME when Sun started doing this ( http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/usertesting.html ). Here's a good article that talks about usability testing for Linux, also from 2001, and mentioning KDE user testing: http://lwn.net/2001/0614/desktop.php3

      GNOME is the way it is today largely because of usability testing, I believe - while many power users and developers whinge about this, it is becoming much closer to Macs in overall usability.

      So the issue is not "stupid developers", it's a matter of taking the time to do the testing - and it helps if you have some expertise at running the tests. Then it's the time to actually make the changes. Many developers aren't that interested in doing the testing, which is why there have been separate usability initiatives that can feed changes into projects.

      Some of the issues logged here are not that easy to solve - e.g. making Firefox pop up an Ubuntu-specific Flash installation prompt, rather than executing the YouTube JavaScript logic that pushes people towards an Adobe plugin site that actually does have a Linux plugin for Flash, but one that's much harder to install than an Ubuntu-packaged Flash plugin.

      Also, the one about finding MP3s on the Windows partition is not that easy - you could simply copy the files across with the Ubuntu migration assistant, but what if they're in a non-standard place? Indexing the Windows filesystem to quickly find these might help, but building the index could take some time. However, it would probably be enough if there was some feature in Ubuntu that scanned for existing partitions and said (based on partition type and a few key directories/files) that 'this looks like a Windows partition, it's available on the desktop through this icon', and ideally did a special symbolic link for the My Documents or similar (though that's tough as it's per-user under Windows - which user should this use).

    8. Re:Smart move by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      It is a good article. But we might be seeing early stages of a conflict between friendliness and elegance. For example, I was annoyed when I upgraded to Hairy Hardon that it had decided I needed folders called Documents, Music, Pictures etc. in my home directory. A couple of the things suggested had less to do with usability than they did to do with familiarity to someone brought up on Windows. I don't think Linux environments should be so keen to emulate the Windows environment. It's a short term benefit with long term consequences. And even the short term benefit is a small one - look at the later iterations of Office: built around the concept that you don't need to read instructions, that everything should immediately be self-explanatory. A noble goal, but not one possible to reconcile with utility. I think I would rather a short, well written Introduction to Ubuntu than try to make everything look like Windows.

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    9. Re:Smart move by grm_wnr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it doesn't. I fact, it is a already a huge advantage that she did not have to install Ubuntu (Note: It's not that installing Windows is easier, but people do not install Windows, they buy computers with Windows on them. This is a real problem that no amount of whining about the unfairness of it all will make go away.) Now, imagine if she had the wrong wireless chipset; 0/12 points right there, instantly.

    10. Re:Smart move by KutuluWare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really. The goal isn't to make Ubuntu "as easy to use as Vista". The goal is to make Ubuntu "usable by everyone". Comparisons to Windows will only invite the subconscious tendancy to stop when Ubuntu reaches parity, no matter how counter-intuitive it may be.

      Doing things the "Windows way" is frequently easier because people are familiar with it, in which case it makes sense. But there are plenty of things Windows gets way wrong that Linux can get right.

    11. Re:Smart move by fudoniten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Woah, woah, woah..

      These kind of tests are useful for figuring out how to help people make the transition to Ubuntu, but suggesting that Skype is a model Linux app is scary. I hate Skype, especially on Linux.

      The problem with using these kinds of tests to tweak your UI is that, well, you cater to the lowest common denominator. If you went and tried to 'fix' all the problems this girl had, and make things more in line with what she expected, you'd end up with...well, Windows. Of course. Since that's what she expected.

      There's a bit of a balancing act here, I think. Yes, we should make it relatively easy to make the transition. We should make the distro as usable as possible--without sacrificing functionality. A lot of the stuff that she had trouble with (apt-get!) are some of the strongest features of Ubuntu/Linux. You just have to get used to them.

      I think it's fair to expect users to meet you half way, rather than turning your distro into a Windows clone, or making it so brain dead it actually becomes slower/less comfortable for experienced users.

      As an example of how far wrong this can go, whenever I see a Linux distro with a 'Start' button, I immediately dismiss it as doomed from the start. So far, I haven't been wrong.

      Oh, one last note--I'm an experienced computer user, for years and years, and I've used Windows far more than I ever wanted. Yesterday, I was trying to a) find a bunch of files on my uncle's computer, b) burn them to a disk, c) put some MP3s on a player, and d) explain to my uncle and niece how to accomplish this.

      I finally got through (a) (c:\Whatever and Settings\User-126y125071\Application Data\...?), and (b) (Ahead Nero, and all the steps that entails...), never got (c) working (drivers missing/not working)...and (d) was a joke.

      THIS IS NOT BEHAVIOR TO EMULATE!

    12. Re:Smart move by JohnBailey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it doesn't. I fact, it is a already a huge advantage that she did not have to install Ubuntu (Note: It's not that installing Windows is easier, but people do not install Windows, they buy computers with Windows on them. This is a real problem that no amount of whining about the unfairness of it all will make go away.) Now, imagine if she had the wrong wireless chipset; 0/12 points right there, instantly. Except getting a pre installed Linux box is getting easier these days. So the statement that people don't usually install an OS is much more accurate. Installing and setting everything up is not as difficult as it used to be. Especially on Ubuntu, so while your point is still valid, it isn't as much of a deal breaker as it used to be for an unsupported beginner.
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    13. Re:Smart move by theophilosophilus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would like to see them do the same thing with a non pre-configurated windows (no flash, no video or sound driver etc.) without any software that's not "out of the box". Oh - and it must read files from a Ubuntu partition to be able to burn music (let her figure out how to do this)... That would make the comparison a bit more fair don't you think? I agree with the other posters in this thread, the standard shouldn't be whether it is as good as Windows. Linux is already at a competitive disadvantage with Windows - AND THATS A GOOD THING. It is an uphill battle and that means Linux doesn't just have to be 1% better than Windows - the goal has to be much higher.

      I'm just a little dismayed that a guy sitting his girlfriend down to test Ubuntu is even newsworthy. Instead, its some kind of revelation. This simple article was able to point out some pretty fundamental - show stopping problems. Hopefully the revelation is that someone on Slashdot has a girlfriend rather than the revelation that it might be a good idea to have non-nerds test Ubuntu.
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    14. Re:Smart move by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who cares?
      The aim is to make the Linux desktop experience better, not to justify it's failings as somehow being ok because it's just as difficult to use as windows.
      "Easier than a Mac!" That should be the mantra, not:
      "Windows is just as crusty!"...

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    15. Re:Smart move by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think I would rather a short, well written Introduction to Ubuntu than try to make everything look like Windows. No-one that should read said introduction will read said introduction. You won't either, but I'd hazard a guess that you don't need to.

      Looking like Windows / intuitive operation and user friendliness are distinct concepts but they all meet at a nexus.

      If a metaphor works, is understood, and is in common use, why change it?
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    16. Re:Smart move by PReDiToR · · Score: 3, Informative

      I did implement this test. With gOS v1.

      I told my GF that I couldn't locate an XP Home OEM CD to use with the sticker on the side of her beige box.
      She had used my openSUSE 10.3 laptop and seen that OpenOffice.org was very similar to MS Office.
      She said that it was OK to put Linux on her computer that she uses for work as long as other people in her large government organisation would be able to read the documents she produced.

      The upshot was, after a week someone couldn't read the OOo format and I showed her how to save as .DOC, since then her experience has been 100% positive. We're even trying to get her sister to use Linux because of the number of times she asks for techsupport after the kids mess up Windows.

      One major convenience for my GF is that it took less than 10 minutes to set NX up on her machine, and now she can sit in the comfy chair downstairs with my laptop and do her work from there instead of spending untold hours in her study in front of a big ol' CRT that does nothing for her eyes over long periods.

      The transition to Linux for her has been very easy. She doesn't have to use a command line, all her apps are in plain view (if you haven't used gOS v1, it is Gutsy with E17) and everything Just Works. She hasn't mentioned going back to Windows since that first document that someone couldn't read.

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    17. Re:Smart move by grahamm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe a better test would be to have someone who is not familiar with Windows to test it. That way they do not have to unlearn the windows way.

      Probably the best usability test would be to take 2 groups of people, none of which have any computer experience, and give one group computers with (bare bones) Windows installed and the other with a Linux. Let them experiment for a week or so and then give them all the same test tasks and see which group manages the tasks more successfully.

    18. Re:Smart move by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree with you generally, I have to say that the three non-nerd non-geek members of my family have a problem: they were under the belief that Windows is the computer! They accessed the internet through Windows. They have a little trouble understanding why they have to have permissions to install software. They know what an iPod is but don't understand what a Mac is.

      When they sit down at (first 7.10) Ubuntu 8.04 there are a couple of things I've noticed like the GP. If there is already a folder called photos and the camera automatically downloads pictures to that folder... well, they understand that. If they have to create a folder and tell the software to put the photos... well, it's a pain and they'll just pass. seriously!

      My dad explained it to me like this: If a computer was a hammer it would not be a good one. FerChrisAkes, I want to hit nails, NOT learn how to make hammers. While that analogy only goes so far, it's true. Some just want the 'tool' to work (that's what she said!) and other's want to fiddle with it a lot (no comment).

      IMHO, Ubuntu is giving us a hammer that doesn't need instructions or assembly. It's not perfect, but it IS damned good.

    19. Re:Smart move by Telvin_3d · · Score: 2

      For what it's worth, OSX has the same thing in what is roughly the equivalent place. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that most users are going to have some content on their computer. Or that they are going to want to keep that content organized. And it's a fairly standard place to put said folders. If you want them somewhere else, feel free.

    20. Re:Smart move by Xacid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've heard this same argument for years and really it just sounds like whining to me. The linux community tries in a lot of aspect to stray far far away from Windows out of principle yet fail to impliment the things Microsoft actually got right.

      The typical user should not have to open up a term window to install a program. It should be click and guide you through the rest. That was always my biggest complaint. Sure I could fire up some synaptic or whatever it was but that's not exactly intuitive - I had to have a nix friend of mine tell me it even existed.

      Linux, nor Ubuntu, will thrive as a dominant OS as long as users like "Erin" still have trouble figuring things out.

      Ok, so don't take things from Windows - but figure it out from the Apple OS. Even granny can use those.

    21. Re:Smart move by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      The reason is that Linux is designed by developers (and then indirectly, FOR developers).

      You can do anything in Linux, but it's never accepted that the WAY you do a particular thing is too hard to do or remember. A user will go into a Linux forum and ask something like "Um, how do I change the hostname of my computer to something different?" The response will be something like:

      Er,

      chhost_name -Vxo -d /dev/hda3 -c /etc/hostnameamajig.conf -n "UberLeetometer"

      Duh.

      (For the record, I do know how to change the hostname, the above example has been made incorrect and complex for dramatic effect ;))

      One thing that MUST be accepted is that for most regular users in modern times, you can't do command line. Never. Ever. Doesn't matter if it's simple, doesn't matter if it's "Just as easy as apt-get install foozamottle". I need to be able to delete the link to a terminal window from the menus from my regular users and never have them run into an issue. Mac OS X is a Unix that does that very well; a normal user could use the system for years and never even discover the terminal, but for users who DO want to use a shell it's there and it works perfectly (just personally for example, I prefer to move/manage files from a command line, but 95% of users will not).

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    22. Re:Smart move by malevolentjelly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, Windows has 91% of the OS market share.

      At this point, you need to win those people over by offering an easy experience. At first, people will treat it like Windows. After a while, people will eventually treat it like Ubuntu. Linux still has a hold over userbase from the DOS world where men were men and functionality was won through hard labor.

      This probably occurs when people switch to mac as well.

      But you are right- if Ubuntu ever matches Windows' functionality or market share, they will probably slow down in usability development. Like most open source (and closed source to a lesser extent) it grows through mimickery.

    23. Re:Smart move by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, that's the problem there.

      A general purpose computer is not a hammer. It was never meant to be a hammer.

      It's a lego mindstorms kit.

      Ignorance of that magnitude keeps the end user from doing simple
      things to protect their data like just making a copy of it. This
      is also what causes PC's to end up on bot nets.

      At that point, systems need to be engineered first with the goal
      of keeping them off of bot nets or otherwise getting infested
      with malware.

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    24. Re:Smart move by Intron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Obviously you didn't read the article. Here's the page Youtube sent her to. Note that there is no '.deb' choice.

      http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash

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    25. Re:Smart move by endemoniada · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem, however, is that not all users are trained Windows users, like this one. Should you implement a dock by default, just so Mac OS X users can feel at home? How about getting rid of that damn GUI for the hardcore UNIX users?

      I can understand the need for Ubuntu to be simple, I just can't see the need for Ubuntu to somehow be Windows. They're two different systems, and a user who doesn't get that needs to learn that first, then move on to the details of Ubuntu in particular, and GNU/Linux in general.

      I wrote in the comments that it was an interesting read, but it was in no way a good scientific way of establishing what parts of Ubuntu need tweaking. A lot of the complaints are not because the program is unintuitive, but merely that it's not exactly like Windows

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    26. Re:Smart move by porl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      applications; add/remove; select an app from the list; apply changes.

      you don't have to open up a term window.

      try telling a true new user (not someone who has used windows for a while) to install a new program on windows. where do they begin? hint: probably not with 'internet explorer'. deb packages and rpm files are easily as 'intuitive' as window's 'download from a site, click setup.exe, put in license details etc etc. sure, they aren't yet as common, but neither are osx packages, so does that make osx packages harder to install than windows installers?

      porl

    27. Re:Smart move by Tweenk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are some obstacles to implementing these changes:
      1. FOSS fundamentalism - "MP3 codecs and DeCSS are unclean, so let's make it harder to use them". I think Medibuntu should be optionally enabled, and the important components (DeCSS, restricted codecs etc.) automatically pulled in, at installation. There could also be a checklist of what the user wants to install (MP3, DVD, encrypted DVD...) with explanation of the legal implications.
      2. Windows users which think Add/Remove programs means Remove programs (because in Windows you can't Add any programs via this menu...). This, however, can be countered by having a package manager advertised properly.
      3. Windows way of installing programs by downloading them from websites. The users end up downloading the source and trying to compile it, and fail miserably (I have seen this personally with my brother trying to install Kadu). There should be something discouraging this mode of action.
      4. Usability testing spoils a test subject. You need to find new ones every time, because they gain experience the first time they test.
      5. Once Ubuntu is loaded with pretty wizards, no developers will use it ("build a system that an idiot can use, and only an idiot will want to use it"). There should be an "expert" mode which turns off all introductory wizards.

      From what I see Ubuntu is currently catering to its expected target demographic (medium-level geeks). Because of this, there's PulseAudio, which allows one to route sound over LAN, but no MP3 playback, because it requires something unclean.

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    28. Re:Smart move by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When people say "intuitive", they really mean "familiar" -- Jef Raskin.

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    29. Re:Smart move by fbjon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, and wrong. There's no reason why the mindstorms kit can't be transformed into a hammer, should the user need it, and most people need hammers most of the time, not mindstorms kits. The computer as a tool should be tailored/tailor itself to the users needs and level of mental sophistication. Trying to do it the other way indicates a bad tool, not a bad user.

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    30. Re:Smart move by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This coming from a person who still doesn't quite get the concept of "variable-width fonts" and "text-wrapping."

      The only thing that is "intuitive" is a nipple.

      Could we retire this tired old phrase, please? Not clever.

      The notion of installing new Windows apps through the
      control panel would make perfect sense if the relevant
      control panel app did what it's name implies.


      Yes, well, that was part of the point wasn't it? You can improve on the things Windows gets wrong (which is frankly a lot of things), you don't have to be a perfect clone of Windows. The point is that you should be *at least* as good as Windows, and right now software installation on Linux isn't.

      This is one of those areas where Linux really excels
      but not insisting on being some sort of Windows clone.

      A distinct product is going to have some meaningful
      differences, imagine that.


      Yes. OS X and Windows have differences because they came from different multi-tasking philosophies... Macintosh apps were designed (back in the 80s) to take over the screen so that you were using one application at a time. Thus, current Mac applications share the same menu bar at the top of the screen, and its content changes as you change the current app. Windows was designed differently, so it works differently.

      It's a meaningful difference. And yet both Windows and OS X are more usable than Linux.

      What the Linux community needs to do is to take the best from Windows, the best from OS X, and then improve on that. It especially needs to stop constantly comparing itself to Windows, and judging itself on its own merits. As a Mac-user, it bugs me that both major Linux window environments are complete rips of Windows.

    31. Re:Smart move by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      applications; add/remove; select an app from the list; apply changes.

      Except that only works for some software. Not all software is in the repositories.

      try telling a true new user (not someone who has used windows for a while) to install a new program on windows. where do they begin? hint: probably not with 'internet explorer'.

      Actually most people I know start all unfamiliar computing tasks from the browser and usually from Google. This includes finding and installing software. Heck, as a Linux user when I need a new application I don't go to the package manager to look through it. I go to Firefox and search for applications that do what I want, preferably with reviews.

      ...deb packages and rpm files are easily as 'intuitive' as window's 'download from a site...

      Except not all Linux software is distributed as .deb and rpms, much of it is yum or tar.gz or something else, a usability issue Windows users don't have to deal with and which most Linux distros have ignored.

      ...they aren't yet as common, but neither are osx packages, so does that make osx packages harder to install than windows installers?

      No, how common it is doesn't effect how usable it is. OS X packages are harder to install for some use cases though. They're easier to drag and drop from media, but there is an extra step when installing from the Web because they are distributed within .dmg files for the most part.

      I think you're missing the point of this usability study. It exposed real problems with using Ubuntu today. It doesn't matter if other OS's also have problems. The only consideration of other OS's should really be to see if they have solved that usability problem and if so, can that solution be used in Ubuntu.

    32. Re:Smart move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> The only thing that is "intuitive" is a nipple.
      > Could we retire this tired old phrase, please? Not clever.

      It's not only not clever, it's not even correct. Babies need to learn to nurse, and it's the first sign of developmental problems when they don't learn it quickly.

    33. Re:Smart move by Random_Goblin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe a better test would be to have someone who is not familiar with Windows to test it.
      uh huh... and where are you going to find these people? I think you may have better luck specifying virgins or unicorns as testers...
    34. Re:Smart move by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What, KDE?

      The same KDE that uses single-click everywhere by default, that has an optional Mac-style menu bar... The same that, on Ubuntu, has a clearly OS X inspired control panel... That KDE?

      And you're confusing "usability" with "discoverability". Discoverability is important for the first hour or two of using an OS, maybe the first few days. Usability is important for the rest of your life. I'm glad Ubuntu focuses on the latter.

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    35. Re:Smart move by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nipples aren't intuitive interfaces. Both moms and babies have to learn how to nurse, and it's an important part of prenatal classes.

      If it's not done correctly, you end up with hungry babies and sore moms.

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    36. Re:Smart move by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a reason that newspapers use narrow columns of text and it directly applies to your flammage. Something about the ignorant being cocksure.

      Yes, I understand that. But here's an amazing revelation for you: You can make your browser window narrower if you want narrow columns! GASP!!! AS IF BY MAGIC!

      However, there's nothing I can do to my browser window to make his original post not look like ass-- except perhaps switching to a monospaced font, but then all other posts would look like ass.

    37. Re:Smart move by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it's been a few years since I've tried Linux. (I wanna say it was Ubuntu 6?) I stopped using it because it didn't support my USB wifi widget on my desktop, and it wouldn't sleep my laptop at all. Back when I used it, it was a complete Windows rip.

      Now I'm happy enough with Vista that I wouldn't risk my Vista install by installing it on my desktop, and my laptop is a tablet which, frankly, I doubt Linux supports at all based on my previous tablet experience.

      And discoverability is important in the long-term, too. I might not use mail-merge the first time I use a word processor, but in a couple years when I'm doing that I certainly want it to be discoverable as well as usable. There are numerous of these "use it maybe once a year" features that need to be discoverable.

      I'd argue that Ubuntu doesn't focus on usability much when it didn't support my wifi or laptop's sleep mode. ;)

    38. Re:Smart move by Risen888 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good god the things that get upmodded sometimes.

      The typical user should not have to open up a term window to install a program. It should be click and guide you through the rest. That was always my biggest complaint. Sure I could fire up some synaptic or whatever it was but that's not exactly intuitive - I had to have a nix friend of mine tell me it even existed.

      Of all the examples you could've picked, you went with this one? Come on. Not intuitive? Every application in the world, in one interface with a search bar. How fucking hard is that for you to deal with? You click "install" and it installs. The end. What's "not exactly intuitive" about that?

      But hey, all that choice can be overwhelming sometimes, okay. If it's too much for you to deal with, there's "Add/Remove Programs." Guess what it does? It adds... and removes... programs! Things that make your computer do other things! Programs! It adds them! And removes them! How in god's name is that "not exactly intuitive?"

      You make my eyes bleed.

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    39. Re:Smart move by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only thing that is "intuitive" is a nipple.
      Could we retire this tired old phrase, please? Not clever.
      OK, how about "the only thing that's intuitive is pooping."

      The meaning of that tired old saying still holds true. The only things that are really, truly intuitive are those coming from instinct (bodily functions being one example.)

      There's nothing instinctual helping you with computers. So we resort to learning and then applying what we learned. Some people learn the basic principles and apply them. Most people immitate what they're being shown.

      Due to this, and since most people are lazy, wary of computers and Windows is the dominant interface, chances are that most people will be familiar with the Windows ways of doing things and wary of learning something new (or using their head applying basic principles to new situations).

      Simple facts. Whoever agrees to that will be able to use them to his or her advantage.
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    40. Re:Smart move by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the trouble with your griping is, the package manager on a gnu/linux distribution is vastly superior to any way osx or windows has to install software.

      No, installing software with a a package manager is vastly superior for installing a subset of software. It is inferior for installing other software in other situations. This isn't a contest anyway, it is about pointing out the real deficiencies and addressing them instead of trying to reassure you about your insecurities and that you're not an idiot for using Linux

      just because you like things to be needlessly complex doesn't mean that the many million ubuntu users also like that.

      Use case: I want to find and install a program to make stop action movies with my Webcam.

      Ubuntu procedure:

      1. Open Firefox
      2. search for "linux stop motion programs"
      3. read reviews of several programs until I find the one I want to try "stopmotion"
      4. Go to "Applications:Add/Remove"
      5. search for stopmotion
      6. change the default search from "supported applications" to "all applications"
      7. search again
      8. select the package
      9. click "enable"
      10. click "apply changes"
      11. click "apply"
      12. enter my password
      13. click "close"
      14. Select "Applications: Graphics: Stopmotion" from the menu

      Mac OS X procedure:

      1. Open Firefox
      2. search for "OS X stop motion programs"
      3. read reviews of several programs until I find the one I want to try "istopmotion"
      4. Click the "download" link on the page.
      5. double click on the .dmg icon that is in the downloads list that pops up.
      6. double click on the iStopMotion icon (or drag it to the Applications and then do so if I plan on keeping it for sure).
      7. click "ok" to run a new program from the internet

      So the above provide two procedures for a very, very common workflow for finding and installing a program. For said use case, Ubuntu really doesn't win on the usability, but hey it isn't too bad and neither are as good as Windows for usability for this workflow. When you look at other workflows, however, like if your friend has a copy of a program you want installed on his laptop, but which is not being distributed anymore by the manufacturer and your friend is on IM, well Linux really falls down compared to OS X, but is way ahead of Windows. If you look at the use case of software distributed on a DVD or software you want to run off of a portable flash drive, or if you want to run software that is not in a repository and is commercial and needs to b registered, Linux is likewise behind.

      For most of these cases Ubuntu is more complex and less usable. Linux has a big win with the functionality offered by package managers, but for the most part that seems to have blinded developers to the big losses they have in other areas of application installation. Linux is not inferior, it just has different weaknesses and referencing its strengths do nothing to mitigate those weaknesses nor ameliorate the problems of novice users such as described in this article.

    41. Re:Smart move by Stevecrox · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd be willing to make a wager on which ones easier if we use Vista Home Premium and drop the "read music files from a linx partition".

      My experience with Hardy Heron was a disaster this weekend and I'd like to share it, in part because if people have solutions to any of the problems I would like to hear them.

      The Machine :
      AMD64 3700+ (socket 939)
      2GB Cosair DDR400 ram
      NVIDIA 7600 GS OC
      Creative XFi Extreme Gamer
      Epson Stylus 4400
      Creative Vista! Live Webcam
      Aver media PCI Hybrid TV Card (AR16R)
      Netgear W111 V3 USB wireless adapter
      Installation
      Extremely easy, the installation process is as easy to use as the Windows Vista installer and marginally easier than XP's. I did have one problem in that I couldn't seem to get past the partition manager when I chose to use an existing NTFS volume (doing the guided thing) the installer wouldn't proceed. All the other options worked well enough, and even with it freezing I was able to cancel the option and choose another and go forward.

      First Time Use
      I found out (after much googling) Ubuntu hadn't been able to detect my monitor's ability and so had gone into safekeeping mode. This meant I was stuck at a resolution of 640x480, this presented a huge problem as none of the menus fitted on the screen the NVIDIA-settings panel was so cut off I wasn't sure if I could select a monitor and Ubuntu didn't seem to give me an option. 3 Hours later after reading edgy, feisty, random x11 how to's I, in frustration decided to deleted my xorg.conf. Ubuntu actually managed to recover graphically (I was impressed) and entered "low graphics mode" amusingly in 800x600 resolution. From here I could choose a generic monitor that matched my monitor's resolution and was finally able to enjoy 1600x1200.

      Internet Shock! What I forgot to mention above was my Netgear W111 v3 doesn't have a 'nix driver. After an hour of googling I locate ndiswrapper find a Marvel chipset driver for the device and start trying to install it. Two hours later learning more about grep, lspci and ndiswrapper than I wanted to know I give up. For some reason several of my USB devices refuse to show up in lspci and without it being listed there ndiswrapper shows an "invalid driver" error. At this point I would like to say had I actually progressed further I would have made a decent GUI and delved into the code so it gave useful error messages, just to improve the user friendliness (and handed that over.) Alas after checking the device and ensuring the port was working by using another USB device I gave in, got a really big Ethernet cable and connected to my router that way.

      Enjoying that sound fidelity Creative make a beta driver for my sound card, after three hours of googling and trying I gave in. I had, had enough for some reason the driver was reporting a make *** [all] error 2 and a make *** [something I can't remember] error 2 message. Googling that gave me no leads into what the potential problem was and I had to admit defeat. I was aware of a open source driver but the posts I read suggested it was limited, wouldn't output sound through the optical socket (which is what I use) and was "buggy". So I didn't even try to locate it.


      Putting Vista back on
      Around 8PM that night I decided enough was enough, I wasn't going to get things to a level where Quake 4 would run properly so I might as well put Vista back on. Around 9:50 I had my desktop back, I could have placed all my driver disc's in and installed instead I choose to download and install the latest ones, by 10:20 I was online through my Wireless usb stick, posting on Myst Obsession as Office 2003 installed. By 10:40pm I had finished posting on MystObsession and Quake 4 had finished installing.


      My Final note Many years ago I taught my sisters to install XP, place the right drivers on and get their machine setup, both of them can now do it quite happily by themselves. T

    42. Re:Smart move by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      search around the internet site of the company offering the software until you find a download button Already covered by the GP.

      download a file 3 times as large as it should be because it needs to contain versions of every library used by the application Irrelevant. The size of the file is in no way related to usability, unless the file is truly gargantuan (and that's unlikely).

      these libraries and the application will not be automatically updated so turning the software into a security risk Ridiculously irrelevant. Security has nothing to do with usability, and we're not comparing the usability of updating applications here, we're comparing the usability of installing applications.

      should i carry on? Go ahead, but it'd be good for you if you can come up with things that support your argument, rather than being random shots off into nowhere.
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    43. Re:Smart move by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The playing field may not be level (and, in fact, is not, as you correctly recognize), but you'll get a lot further by working to compensate for that fact than by complaining about how unfair reality is. Actually, we're doing both.

      Linux compatibility is getting better all the time. Despite a moving target, we're actually getting better and faster at writing good, stable drivers.

      But if you come around complaining that some random hardware isn't supported, especially if you're claiming it's a "usability" issue, I think it's fair to point out that we are going above and beyond what Windows does for you with device compatibility. That we're not there yet doesn't mean there's no focus, and bitching about it doesn't help.
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  5. Yeah, right. by Aaron+Isotton · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, man tests usability of Duke Nukem Forever running on GNU Hurd by making his GIRLFRIEND play it.

  6. Puts a whole new spin on the term... by csoto · · Score: 2, Funny

    "backporting." Ahem. Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the prime rib!

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  7. Exceptionally good. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Use internet. Successful.
    2) Watch youtube. Unsuccessful. No Flash.
    3) Use torrent. Successful (but this is not a novice user task)
    4) Draw pic. 1/2 Successful. Chose wrong tool.
    5) Burn music. Unsuccessful
    6) Mouse speed change. Successful.
    7) Theme change. Successful.
    8) Desktop background change. Successful.
    9) Scree resolution change. Unsuccessful.
    10) Advanced image manipulation. Successful
    11) MSN. Unsuccessful
    12) Install & Use skype. Successful.

    Note, the problem with 5) burning music was not the actual burning, but finding the mp3s on a windows partition.

    So, 8/12. (maybe 9.5/12)

    To be honest, I've seen experience computer users have more trouble doing the above tasks when switching from windows to OS X.

    Kudos to Ubuntu.

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    1. Re:Exceptionally good. by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      2) Watch youtube. Unsuccessful. No Flash.
      11) MSN. Unsuccessful

      Yeah well, I have a girlfriend too, and all she ever does on a computer is watch music videos on YouTube, write e-mails and chat on MSN. Maybe you'd like to weight your rating based on how important something is to the person tested (by asking them). Downloading a torrent and changing your mouse speed will probably rate to 0 while MSN will probably rate to "Why the hell would I need a computer if not for MSN?".

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    2. Re:Exceptionally good. by papna · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kudos to Ubuntu. Why Kudos? Wouldn't it be better to use a native Gnome word of praise?
    3. Re:Exceptionally good. by Barny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, have had that problem with YouTube on ubuntu as well, and it only happens if YouTube is the first site you go to, they fubar their refer to adobe.

      If she had of gone to, say, ANYWHERE else first it would have been fine and just popped up with a bar saying "i can haz plugin?", say yes and bam, its all good.

      Long and short, it should have flash already on it.

      Oh and she was lucky it was the 32bit version, installing and using skype is pretty hard when there ain't a 64bit binary available for the platform (last time I looked anyway).

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    4. Re:Exceptionally good. by grm_wnr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >she should have read the release notes

      Ahaha, good one. I thought the very point of this exercise was that users do not behave like developers expect or would like them to. Reading release notes is certainly among the things they rarely ever do, and so this hints at Ubuntu doing something wrong more than anything else.

    5. Re:Exceptionally good. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah well, I have a girlfriend too, and all she ever does on a computer is watch music videos on YouTube, write e-mails and chat on MSN

      And how well do you think your girlfriend would go on a vanilla windows install with no flash installed, MSN account not setup, etc?

      If the article's author had setup flash / pidgin / explained the difference between GIMP & Open Office draw, his girlfriend would have had few problems.

      I'd suggest to you (honestly) - that if all your gf really does is youtube, mail & chat, then she'd be much better off on Ubuntu than windows.

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    6. Re:Exceptionally good. by grm_wnr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >I also think many of her problems were with gnome rather than with 'Linux'

      Geekthink strikes again! You can consider yourself lucky that people by now know Linux at all, and a decent slice even know Ubuntu, but dan they will not care at all what the window manager is called. If it sucks, it's not GNome's fault, it's Ubuntu's fault (or, more likely, Linux's fault).

      In before "Linux is a kernel, the OS is called GNU/Linux, Ubuntu is a distro". As if normal people would actually CARE about that. Or to think further, most Linux users DO care, because people who care are most liklely to use Linux in the first place. However, I was under the impression that was supposed to change somewhen (2004 I think it was).

    7. Re:Exceptionally good. by xtracto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And how well do you think your girlfriend would go on a vanilla windows install with no flash installed, MSN account not setup, etc?

      Quite fine, there is the Windows Messenger that comes by default in Windows Xp.

      And about Flash? the first time you go to a flash-based site, it tells you you must install Flash and asks you if you want to install it, after there, just clicking YES YES NEXT NEXT ACCEPT YES will take you to a fully working Flash IE.

      If the article's author had setup flash / pidgin / explained the difference between GIMP & Open Office draw, his girlfriend would have had few problems.

      Yeah, but that is the main idea with this Usuability testing/QA issues. You do not want having to explain to everyone about such things. By the time you are telling them "GIMP... which stants for GNU Image Manipulation Program.. GNU is for GNU is not Unix" they lost all interest and just tell you to please resintall Windows.

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    8. Re:Exceptionally good. by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd suggest to you (honestly) - that if all your gf really does is youtube, mail & chat, then she'd be much better off on Ubuntu than windows.

      Maybe. Those who use a computer for those tasks often also use it to play music (MP3 Support) and play movies (DVD support) where Microsoft has paid for the privilage to supply the codecs and the Ubuntu distro is lacking.

      MP3 support isn't bad, but DVD support comes with dire warnings of DMCA violations and it may be illegal where you live.

      Once installed, I like the Ubuntu machine over anything else for playing movies. You put in the DVD and the movie starts.. No previews, no unskippable FBI warning etc. Nice. If I want to watch all the extras, I can watch them later. It's the way a DVD player should work.

      If I travel without a laptop, I carry a copy of Geex box. It's a bootable Linux Media player. Nice.

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    9. Re:Exceptionally good. by Spudds · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By the time you are telling them "GIMP... which stants for GNU Image Manipulation Program.. GNU is for GNU is not Unix" they lost all interest and just tell you to please resintall Windows. Who the hell would do that?
      If you're talking to a novice you're not going to go into tons of detail about acronyms and such, you're going to say "GIMP does stuff that photoshop does"

      I think your argument is silly.
    10. Re:Exceptionally good. by siwelwerd · · Score: 2

      And how well do you think your girlfriend would go on a vanilla windows install with no flash installed, MSN account not setup, etc? If the article's author had setup flash / pidgin / explained the difference between GIMP & Open Office draw, his girlfriend would have had few problems. I'd suggest to you (honestly) - that if all your gf really does is youtube, mail & chat, then she'd be much better off on Ubuntu than windows.

      Exactly. My fiancee has a windows lappy that's really been slowing down and driving her crazy. I have an old laptop with Ubuntu (maybe Gutsy, haven't upgraded yet) that she asked to borrow since it runs faster. The only problem she's had with using it was forgetting to save her Open Office document as a .doc instead of the open format. I wouldn't expect her to be able to figure out a brand new installation on her own, but since I'd already set this up she had no problems.

      And to the poster below who thinks anyone should be able to figure out Windows installation, I beg to differ. My fiancee called me a couple weeks ago saying she couldn't open PDFs. Since I knew she had an ancient version of Adobe Reader installed, I told her to upgrade and try again. She was able to find and download the new version, but she never ran the installer--she thought she had downloaded the new version so it would work. So Windows isn't any better for the naive user, it's just people are familiar now with how it works. I'm convinced Ubuntu is just fine for any naive user, as long as their "computer guy" (the family member/friend who answers all their computer questions) is familiar with Ubuntu.

    11. Re:Exceptionally good. by ElleyKitten · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd love to see someone sit their girlfriend in front of a fresh XP install; "Now, go find drivers for network card, graphics card, divx codecs etc" Yeah right. Some of us girlfriends have been able to do that for longer than out boyfriends. It's not like you need a penis to figure out PCs.
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  8. i'm upgrading! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    i hear that the new beta of girlfriend has built in ubuntu support

  9. Girlfriend? by angryfirelord · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is slashdot! I don't have a girlfriend, you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:Girlfriend? by grm_wnr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Open synaptic and install girlfriend (or just apt-get girlfriend like a true geek). Beware of the dependencies though.

    2. Re:Girlfriend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      For the love of god don't do it! Girlfriend is extremely buggy.
       
      The feature list might seem very appealing, but it is dwarfed by the incredible amount of bloat that comes with it! E.g. every four weeks or so it performs not only sub-par it will actually crash certain programs you would want to start as long as girlfriend is sitting in the background.
       
      Girlfriend will also - seemingly randomly - and with increasing rate escalate its privileges and delete all sorts of stuff in the background, even though you didn't start it as super user.

      Oh yea, and if you choose to renice girlfriend to a lower priority in order to get some work done girlfriend will actually take your computer and throw it out the window!

    3. Re:Girlfriend? by hedleyroos · · Score: 5, Funny

      Real geeks compile their girlfriends from source.

    4. Re:Girlfriend? by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's sudo apt-get girlfriend. It typically requires full access and control of your system.

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    5. Re:Girlfriend? by Centurix · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dependency not found: money

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  10. Arr matey. by grm_wnr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I laughed heartily at the fact that a common user scenario includes how to torrent a Spice Girls album. Not that I think that's not the case; it was just pretty refreshing to see how blatant this guy is about it.

    1. Re:Arr matey. by jimicus · · Score: 4, Funny

      They chose Spice Girls because not even the RIAA, with their inflated ideas of what each infraction costs, could possibly demand more than about 20 US cents with a striaght face.

  11. ports... by Anoraknid+the+Sartor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where do I get this "with a girlfriend" release? .. of course with my luck, the "girlfriend" will be the openbsd version, and ship with all ports closed by default.

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    1. Re:ports... by Mastadex · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Most women [...] ship with all ports closed by default."

      I disagree. I believe that there is one port thats constantly open. The sad truth is that the volume knob only has one setting: 10.

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  12. Window Size complaint. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    His note that if you go too small of screen size you cant click on the buttons of the dialog. This happens a LOT in windows with dons of the dialogs and YES even the screen size dialog.

    She would have failed that test under windows.

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    1. Re:Window Size complaint. by grm_wnr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Last time I checked Windows still had the 15 second reset countdown when you change screen resolution.

    2. Re:Window Size complaint. by JustinOpinion · · Score: 3, Informative
      Ubuntu has something similar. From TFA:

      However, she clicked "Keep settings" straight away, and couldn't work out how to get it back... This is exactly the same problem you would have in Windows if you changed the resolution and immediately clicked the "Keep these settings" button in that 15-second dialog. After you've done that, you may find it difficult to navigate back and change it to the previous resolution.

      The problem here has a lot to do with new users being inundated with confusing dialog boxes, and just clicking "OK" at the first opportunity. This problem occurs both on Windows and Ubuntu. Not that this excuses Ubuntu: a usability problem should be fixed, even if it occurs on other platforms as well.
    3. Re:Window Size complaint. by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At least in Linux you could boot up into command line mode and edit your xorg.conf file to change the resolution. Say what you want about the command line and editing the config file, and how users shouldn't have to do it, but at least the option is available. Any idea if the same can be done under windows? It's the same reason why so many forums are filled with directions on how to accomplish stuff over the command line. Sure it's a little more difficult than clicking around in a GUI. But it's much more likely to work across different distros and different versions of the same distro.

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    4. Re:Window Size complaint. by garett_spencley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Say what you want about the command line and editing the config file, and how users shouldn't have to do it, but at least the option is available. Any idea if the same can be done under windows?"

      Yes. You can boot up into safe mode and get a fully functional GUI at VGA resolution so that you can launch whatever gui / wizard non-command line xorg.conf editing program you need to get your desktop back.

      Granted, only tech-savvy people would know how to boot up into safe mode. But I still give this one to Windows. Ubuntu could include a "safe mode / recovery" option in Grub that boots up into X with VGA resolution and a **USABLE** GUI and there's no reason they couldn't also keep a command-line recovery mode for people who prefer / need it.

      Another crtique that I have for Ubuntu is that they give weird (at least to non-tech-savvy people) names to their boot options in Grub with the kernel version etc. To a geek that information is very important but to a new user it's confusing. A new user who installeda dual boot would expect to see something like "Linux ~ Windows XP ~ Linux (Recovery Mode)" or something. I remember seeing this same critique on Brainstorm so hopefully they'll do something about that.

  13. Re:Well, sorta flawed review by daveime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This entire review is focused on that Ubuntu should work and act just like Windows

    Yes, because that would be FAR too easy ... real geeks need things to be unique to their "domain", so they can lord over the rest of the plebs with their advanced technical knowhow.

    </sarcasm>

  14. Re:Only on Hardy Heron? Pah, I'm using... by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm a Hairy Hippie using the Horny Hardon, and I'm pissed off because neither of these codenames were accepted for the current release.

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  15. Interesting by chuckymonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's pretty interesting. On a tangentially related note, a guy I work with just install Ubuntu as his first linux. A friend and I were talking about 8.04 and he overheard us, so he walked up and started asking questions about it which we answered. The next day he shows up to work and says that he installed it and is really liking it. What is this world coming to when a normal guy one day hears about linux and the next successfully installs it without asking the local nerds for help? It was really interesting, he said the hardest thing was burning the ISO, other than that he said it was easier to use and set up than windows. Trust me when I say that this guy is very very average when it comes to computer smarts, this was a huge leap for him and it was no trouble at all. That's how I know linux is heading mainstream.

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    1. Re:Interesting by nkh · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I can confirm that this is a rather strange world we're living in. My wife wants to switch to Ubuntu (and thus wiping Windows XP from her computer) because of some reasons I had not expected (from my point of view as a hardcore developer):
      • Frozen Bubble is available on Linux, as well as a lot of good games
      • Less viruses than XP, and so no need for an anti-virus
      • Firefox and "MSN" chat are available on Linux
      • Free IT support when I'm available at home
      I know that it may seem redundant but computer noobs switch for very strange reasons and we must listen to their needs if we want Linux to "succeed on the desktop."
    2. Re:Interesting by bmorency · · Score: 5, Funny

      Free IT support when I'm available at home Your wife wants to switch to linux because she will get free support from you? Did you charge her when she was using windows? :-)
  16. Re:Well, sorta flawed review by daveime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish I'd taken that train of thought a little further before clicking submit.

    IF Ubuntu (or release of your choice), WAS more like Windows, just think how much higher the adoption rate would be for it. Imagine how EASY it would be if you could show people with only a Windows background, "look, you do the same things and get the same result - only this one is free, doesn't come cluttered with DRM, isn't susceptible to malware etc etc".

    It could be the BIG selling point, if only you'd give in to the pressure. But comments like this just perpetuate the "elitist" attitude of Open Source ... it's not necessarily "better" because it's "different" ... in fact I think the opposite.

    If only you'd see the wood for the trees, you could have your open source "revolution" we've been waiting for for 25 years.

  17. Re:No Windows Clone by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They won't want to have to take the time to learn a new OS.

    well they have to when transitioning from XP to Vista...

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  18. Re:No Windows Clone by grm_wnr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And most people would rather stay with XP instead of moving to Vista. Just like they'd rather stay with XP than moving to Ubuntu.

  19. Have her install Wubi by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hand her the disc, tell her to click the "Install inside Windows" option, and let her loose from there. Completely non-destructive, and so simple your wife could (probably) do it.

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  20. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  21. ubuntu is all fun and games...until... by Machine9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you update to the new release, and have to manually fiddle with modprobe to get it to engage your wifi card properly =/

    I managed to get that working, but am now left with a problem that frankly has me stumped, in 7.10 I had no issues what-so-ever watching a video while simultaneously talking to someone on skype. Since updating, these two things have become mutually exclusive...
    launching a video, and then trying to make a skype call yields an uninformative error in skype "call failed: there's a problem with the audio output". Starting a skype call, and then launching a video results in the video opening but being unable to actually "play".

    colour me clueless...I have no idea what to do haha.

  22. Welcome to the 1970s by Tom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, what a novel, totally-unheard-off idea! Usability tests! And actually, you know, doing them, instead of just talking about them. And with, you know, actual users. Wow! Quick, get a patent about that!

    Frankly, this is why I gave up about Linux-on-the-desktop back in, I'm not sure, 2000 or so. When the Gnome User Interface mailing list was full of people with great and groundbreaking ideas, most of them blatant violations of everything that HCI had long dumped as bullshit, others completely untested, the rest copies of windos ("because that's what people know and expect"). Most importantly, there wasn't a single expert in the field on the list or - to my knowledge - in the entire Gnome project. Yes, including me, having read a bunch of books on the subject doesn't make me an expert, it just allowed me to spot the I-have-no-idea-but-I'll-pretend-I-do guys more easily.

    Linux has suffered tremendeously due to this disregard of the normal, non-geek user. You know, the kind of person whose VCR flashes "12:00" because the UI on VCRs is total shit and only geeks really bother with it because we are the only ones who consider bugs and technical problems to be a challenge instead of, say, bugs and technical problems.

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  23. Test using Kubuntu? by Danathar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to see the same test with Kubuntu. Not saying that it's better but I'd like to see the results with KDE as well.

  24. New user mode by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think many of these observations were valid and maybe points up the need for a "New To Ubuntu" mode that provides extra assistance for common transitional tasks. But, please, in consideration for those of us a little more technically inclined, provide a way to turn the new user mode off. Or offer it as a separate distro.

    I'd be willing to bet the larger fraction of Ubuntu users are fairly tech savvy. If the developers try to foist Ubuntu Bob on users that don't want or need it, they'll lose their most loyal users. Bad for all of us. But if there isn't some kind of transitional assistance for new users, that will inhibit getting users from other operating systems into the ark.

    The great thing about Linux is that it doesn't have to be all things to all people. You can shape a distro to the specific needs of particular users.

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  25. It's a fine line... by JustinOpinion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article several times suggests that the solution to some of these problems is, essentially, user education: having balloons that signal "new item installed" or wizards open the first time you launch a program, telling you how the program works.

    The problem is that this approach often doesn't work. For one thing, it annoys the piss out of experience users. For another thing, new users tend to ignore most of that information... mainly because they are being overwhelmed by new information and can't possibly assimilate it all.

    Take, for instance, the problem that was encountered when changing screen resolution. The tester changed the resolution easily, but then she clicked the "Keep settings" immediately, which locked her into graphic settings that were hard to change back. Part of the problem, I suppose is that the system allowed the user to make a ridiculous change. But part of the problem is also, perhaps, that the user is very used to clicking "OK" on any dialog that gets in the way: there are too many new things to read and learn, and the easiest way to get things done (in the mind of a new user) is to dismiss those annoying boxes as quickly as possible. Would a second popup, that described in detail why this low resolution was a bad idea (and how to undo it when desired), have changed anything? Doubtful. Most users would just click "OK" without reading it.

    All this to say that I'm by no means convinced that adding more balloons, wizards, and dialog boxes will magically make it easier for users to figure out what's going on. I don't know what the solution is: usability is a tough problem. There is a place for helpful information (balloons, tool-tips, etc.), reminders, and wizards. But too much of this becomes decidedly counter-productive.

    1. Re:It's a fine line... by anmida · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think an easy solution to this problem (new-user aid vs experienced user non-irritation) would be to offer an option during the install - "what's your level of Ubuntu usage? a) First-time user, b) middle-of-the-road smart person who might need a little help, c) power user." That way you could avoid all of the annoying dialog boxes if you wanted to, while still allowing the OS to aid people who want it for their new adoption.

    2. Re:It's a fine line... by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think a universal "undo" command would go a long way. Most people will just try to guess their way through things as a first resort, either because they assume they know more than they do, or they just don't feel like poring over documentation. In many cases it is difficult to read that stuff while making changes to begin with, so they are unhelpful unless you already know what you are trying to do, a situation that probably comes up more often after something gets screwed up.

      If software adhered to a universal "undo" command, people who follow the first instinct to click whatever button isn't "Cancel" would at least have some way to back out of their mistakes and get it right on a subsequent try. It would also give us some protection against developers who create crap software and crap documentation.

    3. Re:It's a fine line... by flablader · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought the same thing myself as I was reading the article, but then I realized that this would add to the complexity of the install. Perhaps it could be defaulted to "First-time user" with the option to change it in an "Advanced" tab?

      I do agree with another user here that the trick is to do all of the tuning after the install before handing it over to the final user. I did exactly that with my parents when they got their new Dell (with Ubuntu Feisty pre-installed). It's been great being able to fix (Power outage destroyed the nVidia kernel plugin, had to rebuild it), modify, or update everything through SSH from halfway across the state!

  26. Even sales guys can install Ubuntu by Centurix · · Score: 3, Informative

    One of our sales guys was having problems with his XP pro install, IE bit the dust and wouldn't show images, even the images in the about box for the application. He asked me if there was any decent alternatives to any of this stuff and I mentioned Ubuntu, but with a level of hesitation (becoming his technical support person for the next 6 months didn't appeal to me) I stated that it had some parts which were a little on the technical side and that he couldn't expect everything to work out of the box. It was a 3 year old laptop. Overnight he found the ubuntu site, downloaded the 7.10 ISO and did a full install (after backing everything up). Came in the next day, put the thing on my desk and showed me it running, including using his accounting package under WINE, his printer and scanner installation. I was thoroughly impressed, with the only question he had was how to setup his PCMCIA NextG Telstra card, about 10 minutes installation time. He had even converted his mail from Outlook to Evolution. After this, I have much more confidence in recommending Ubuntu to people who are used to using something else on a regular daily basis. Before this I'd usually install this stuff for other people I knew, get it going and leave them to it, no more virus or spyware phone calls. Nice work Canonical.

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  27. Rampant Rabbit by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 2, Funny

    I never thought anything could beat Hungry Hippo, but I think we have a new winner here!

  28. Use cases by pzs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Using a list of common tasks to test a piece of software is simple, brilliant, and done all too infrequently. I can't count the number of times I've been using an application and can't work out how to do something that hundreds of other people must also want to do, and yet the developer has not made this task obvious.

    Open source tools often suffer from this because they are so proud of their features. I remember trying to burn a data CD under Linux 3 or 4 years ago and the tool I was using did not make it at all obvious how I drag files into the workspace and then burn them. It did, however, make the SCSI options for me CD drive immediately available.

    Web pages often suffer because they are style over substance. Yes, it looks very pretty, but how do I buy stuff? Well done for having text on the front page that tells me how "obsessed by quality" you are, but where is the contact address so I can ask you questions about your product?

    Software libraries suffer when they are more interested in recruiting developers than serving users. I remember trying to use a Perl tool that required a specific module. The web page for the module had a great deal of links about writing applications using that module but nowhere on the whole page did it tell me how to download and install the module so it could be used with an existing application.

    When designing any piece of software think: what will this be mostly used for? Does it make it easy to do that?

  29. Re:At least 5 years behind in usability! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think Windows achieved 12 out of 12 at least 5 or 6 years ago!

    I'd love to see the same test done a default current (let alone 5 or 6 years old!) windows install.

    Advanced image manipulation? Torrents? Finding stuff on a non-windows-format partition? I doubt it.

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  30. I can't be the only one... by digitalsolo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't be the only one who read this as "Usability testing hardy heroIn with a girlfriend".

    I mean, I'm sure it will work, but that is likely to soon require a replacement girlfriend...

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    Just another ignorant American.
  31. Re:At least 5 years behind in usability! by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of Windows was easier.

    The test was how well can a windows user do common tasks on Ubuntu. I sure hope they are better on Windows. Everything is easier when you know how to do it already.

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  32. Sure linux geeks have girlfriends... by oddesign · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi... I'm a girlfriend of a computer geek? Anyway, he helped me get set up on Ubuntu. If you have a girlfriend, show her how to use Ubuntu. Please! Don't leave her stranded on Windoze. Sure, there's a learning curve... but if I didn't have my boyfriend to show me how to get the hang of Ubuntu then I never would have managed it on my own. Just having a computer-savvy guy who could show me the quirks... how to patiently look up fixes on the ubuntu forums rather than sitting here mad at the machine if something breaks... damn that's sexy. Be prepared for your girlfriend being a little confused/frustrated/annoyed at little things that you just didn't even think to be confused/frustrated/annoyed at when you were setting things up on your machine... but once she gets the hang of it, she won't go back. The number of programs freely available to install immediately is fantastic. I agree that Gimp should be set up more like Photoshop. (I hate how each image gets it's own window. What a window-hog. Also, it needs better colour support.)

  33. Simple logic by Alkonaut · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The logic of it is: with open source, people write software to fix their own problems. Only in rare cases (the big ones: Firefox, Ubuntu, and with commercial OSS) will any developer spend time fixing someone elses problem. And since all developers are geeks (sweeping generalization, but hey) most open source software will not solve any problems for a non-geek.

    This is why the problem is so persistent, it is inherent to the open source way of devoloping software. It won't go away any time soon.

    What could change it would for example be if a seller of a commercial linux distro would actually pay application developers for modifications, including usability: "-You get $1000 if you can make pidgin girlfriend-friendly following these guidelines", meaning: wizards, simplifications, naming conventions, themes and so on.

    1. Re:Simple logic by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is indeed persistent. It's pretty easily summarized:

      The price of ignorance is subject to inflation.

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  34. Usability test by mach1980 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well here's some more anectodes:

    My wife switched to Ubuntu after her XP-installation trashed the hard drive. When she first tried to recover the OS with the supplied restore-cd from LG neither the WiFi card or sound worked. Then she tried Ubuntu which worked without turning a dial.

    Now she's been running Ubuntu for over six months and she's hooked. She even managed to install Hardy Heron while breastfeeding our 7 week old daughter. - If that isn't usability for the masses then what is?

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  35. People Pay Cash for Usability by reallocate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The number of comments in this thread from people who are dismissive of usability tests is indicative of the gap between Linux fans and everyone else.

    Usability is more than checking to see if a user evenrtually figured out how to get something deon. E.g., it's disastrous if they can't figure out how to open a file. But, the fact that they managed to open the file is not necessarily an indicator of a good design.

    Usability is something people pay cash for. Just ask Apple and the Photoshop folks.

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  36. A lucky one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If one eye goes bad, we have a spare. If one lung goes wrong, we have a spare.

    If one pooper goes bad, we explode.

  37. Re:broadcom wireless by Machine9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Believe it or not, not everyone buys their laptop with built-in wifi with the idea of someday installing linux on it. Lets not even get into that many, many people don't even have a clue which chipset is used in their device...

  38. That this story even exists is part of the problem by beadfulthings · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, and it's a huge part. It's the 800 pound gorilla part.

    Testing for useability needs to come in much, much earlier in development, and it needs to involve a much wider cross-section of human beings. And as it's being done, development of adequate documentation and help needs to go hand and hand with it.

    It's so easy to disparage girlfriends, the middle-aged, and the elderly--in short, anyone whose job or study is not technical--that I think it's becoming ingrained in the cultures responsible for developing the various operating-system distributions and open-source software packages. This is going to cause them to suffer over the long haul. It's what makes them such a tough sell to people in business.

    There's an immense population of middle-aged people, for example, still in the work force. And interestingly enough, they've actually now all got 20 or 25 years' experience as end-users of computer systems. They're not stupid. They all have jobs that they need to get done. They're not interested in being part of user communities and forums. They're not interested in the ideals of free and open-source software. They're not interested in sticking it to Microsoft. They're not interested in that warm feeling of accomplishment that until recently accompanied getting your printers hooked up to OpenOffice--after wasting hours of productive time doing it. They're interested in using their computers as tools to accomplish their current day's work.

    Issues of usability and documentation aren't much fun. They're probably the least glamorous and most boring functions of developing the software. That's why they get such short shrift in open-source development. Nobody really wants to take them on, so we're treated to excrescenses like having people guess how to get out to a command line to install their audio player or their scanner or their printer.

    Large-scale developers of proprietary software know precisely where their bread is buttered, and they attend to all this as a matter of course.

    "Girlfriend" articles seem to appear quite regularly every few months, so at least somebody is thinking about this even at a ridiculous level. A lot more people need to be thinking about it at a much more serious level.

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  39. Dell sell with Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have to shop around.

    And if you buy a Windows machine, what version of Vista does it have? Now play a DVD on a vanilla version of Vista Basic. Contact someone on AIM on Vista. Edit photos on Vista basic. Run torrents.

    What, they require installation?

    Ah, we're back to Ubuntu being easier.

    And how difficult is it to install Ubuntu anyway? Pretty damn easy.

    Fud fuddity fud.

  40. Re:If Nick Burns can't do it ... by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 2, Informative
    Also, on both Windows and Linux, it's easy to get to the computer's root partition (C:\ or /) ... on OSX, I have yet to be able to get to / in finder, although I can get there in the terminal?

    Because Apple feels (usually for pretty good reasons) that a user has no reason to go there.

    Applications are installed in the Application folder, documents and files go into the Documents folder in the user's home folder and that's about the only access that most users need.

    Messing with the lower-level file structure or files directly - rather than through utilities - isn't something that Apple wants people to do, so it doesn't serve much of a purpose to let users access them. It may drive Linux and Unix users nuts, but it makes sense.

  41. Wonderful emphasis by kria · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but I'm sick of things like this - his girlfriend HAS to be some untutored user who has no clue about computers, tee-hee. As a female computer programmer, should people assume my husband is computer illiterate? No? Then why assume his girlfriend is?

    Isn't it enough to say that the installation was tested with a novice user instead of putting stupid assumptions and implications right in the freaking headline?

    And of course, what kind of replies do I expect to my post around here? People marveling that a woman is posting on slashdot that will be modded up as funny. Given the nature of my post, I also expect some responses telling me to calm down or calling me a feminazi. There, I've taken care of those responses, you can stick to ones that actually address what I've said.

    1. Re:Wonderful emphasis by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree that "girlfriend" shouldn't automatically imply computer illiterate. In fact I'm quite certain the word "girlfriend" was used in the title of the article specifically as an eye catching "hook". i.e. Ubuntu and Girlfriend in the same sentence!!?? WTF???

      However, from TFA - "Erin's intelligent, quick to learn and is reasonably well-acquainted with modern technology." The author makes it clear that his girlfriend is somewhat skilled with computers, can perform a range of normal computer tasks and was methodical and persistent in solving the problems she encountered. Aside from the somewhat unfortunate title, TFA makes it clear that she is a "noob" only in so far as she has never used Ubuntu"

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    2. Re:Wonderful emphasis by jrob323 · · Score: 4, Funny
      As a female computer programmer, should people assume my husband is computer illiterate? No? Then why assume his girlfriend is?

      Your husband is a female computer programmer? And he has a girlfriend? I admire your honesty, ma'am. -golf clap-

    3. Re:Wonderful emphasis by elj812 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I definitely agree, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see someone else bring this up, as I was just about to. As a "girlfriend" myself, who regularly does advanced tech support for people all over the world, I have frequently heard other people utter phrases like "so easy a girl could do it". I also object to the practice of headline writers to refer to any man by his occupation ("Local Janitor Loses Home") and any woman by her family relationship ("Local Mom Sues Company"). To my mind, the headline of this story does the same thing... defines the woman by her relationship rather than her occupation.

    4. Re:Wonderful emphasis by TorKlingberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, the title is stupid. It disturbed me too. The article is interesting though.

  42. re: ease of use doesn't equate to familiarity by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The big stumbling block I think most UI developers hit is the fallacy that elements of the interface need to mimic something "popular" or "familiar" (typically a Windows UI, given their market-share).

    Doing that amounts to a short-cut, where you're settling for pleasing people who "already struggled to learn a previously designed interface" - at the expense of winning over a crowd that never mastered that one in the first place.

    I'd say usability testing like what was done in this article is the ONLY way to succeed, if you're going to proceed with a true goal of "ease of use". Anyone savvy enough to help build an OS is FAR too removed from comprehending all the points of confusion the "average user" might run across.

    (And again, this is why a developer typically thinks so "inside the box" when it comes to concepts like "open file" dialogs, "save" and "export" options on menus, or assumptions about which plug-ins and "extras" a typical user will need.)

    Personally, I think "file extensions" are a pretty evil concept, the way most operating systems today handle them. I'm not saying they're "pointless". Rather, they're too technical in nature for the casual user. I think Apple was on the right track when they decided, years ago, to let the OS decide what application a file belonged to via hidden "resource fork" data, instead of the 3 character extension on the end of the file defining it. The problem is, Apple tried to do this when it went "against the grain" of what every other OS was doing, and it created too many headaches for moving data between platforms.

    In addition, it used to create a lot of problems where an app would "marry itself" to a certain file-type, and that wasn't always the most desirable behavior. I think they need to brand "metadata" onto files so apps can check there to know what a file is, but provisions are made to allow *several* apps to become preferred options for working with a given filetype. (EG. When a user double-clicks a document, a dialog opens asking if they'd like to open this with "MS Word, CoolJoe Writer, or Starview? Or click here to modify your selection of preferred programs used to work with this type of document.")

  43. Bah! - Switched my wife to a Mac by spineboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    She was convinced that something was "wrong" with her computer that I had installed Suse. Finally got her a Mac with the understanding that I don't know Mac much and could not offer her tech support. Anyway, I wound up fixing/solving all her issues with that as well. Almost daily issues at first, then weekly, and finally after 4-5 months, I rare get asked to do much with it. She only uses it for downloading songs, making powerpoint, webbrowsing, and some camera picture stuff.

    To be honest, both Linux and Mac generated about the same amount of workload for me

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  44. Firefox 3 beta an example of wrong by wytcld · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with programs being "helpful" is exemplified in one of the main features of the Firefox 3 beta that Hardy comes with. That URL bar, where starting to type a URL you've been to before brings up a list of matches? In the new FIrefox, the developers figured it would be better if the page titles were matched too, not just the URL. And while it's doing that, they decided to display the page titles larger and below the URLs, rather than to the right of as before. And it doesn't just match from the beginning, but from anywhere in the page title. So you type the letter "t," and whereas before you would have seen the several URLs beginning with "t" that you've recently visited, now you see every page where the letter "t" occurred in the page title or URL. Then you type "h," and instead of (in my case) being down to "theoildrum.com" and "theonion.com" there's a long list of every page title or URL with the letters "th" in them. Adding "e" doesn't narrow it down much.

    Oh, and while there used to be a way to revert Firefox to its old, much more useful, behavior, that option was removed two months ago because the developers are so in love with their "helpful, friendly" method of showing every page from your history with "the" in the page title.

    Okay, here we have the best-funded project in open source, free software. We have Google as the main funder - who know something about simple interfaces and usability. And we have Ubuntu choosing to default its users to this new Firefox, despite the Mozilla project's upfront statement that it's not considered ready for regular use yet. (And it's not in other ways too: Elements swim around the page much more than they do in Firefox 2, meaning that while it may be faster on the back end, on the front end there are longer periods where you just can't look closely at it without quesiness.)

    So here are developers trying to make their packages ever-so-helpful. And they fail, for the precise reason that Microsoft so often fails. The best tools, for people who will use them every day (or even weekly) are well honed, not cluttered with cruft.

    It's also why the girlfriend test is of limited utility. What matters isn't how it looks to a brand-new user, but how it looks to that user after a month of use. That's the point where they say, "This looked promising at first, but damn do I miss the better fit-to-hand of the tools in my old OS." As in any new relationship, the most critical test isn't the first date, but where you are after a month together. Optimizing for the first date often directly undermines the long-term viability of the relationship.

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    "with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
  45. Re: ease of use doesn't equate to familiarity by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd say usability testing like what was done in this article is the ONLY way to succeed, if you're going to proceed with a true goal of "ease of use". Anyone savvy enough to help build an OS is FAR too removed from comprehending all the points of confusion the "average user" might run across.

    I've performed usability tests in the past and regardless of if you're a coder or a usability expert, they almost always reveal usability issues that seem unintuitive or which people want to "explain away" because they can't wrap their heads around what is happening. Usability testing is, however, a very underused scientific process in computing today.

    That said, over the years a lot of general guidelines have emerged that can help designers avoid some of the really common mistakes that happen over and over and over again. From my own use of Ubuntu, it is clear there has not even been consistent use of those guidelines to get the low hanging fruit before going to the expense of a real usability test. There is much work to be done.

    Personally, I think "file extensions" are a pretty evil concept, the way most operating systems today handle them.

    They are, indeed, a common usability problem, especially when one goes into hidden extensions and multiple extensions. Expecting users to know what three letter combination mean "program that does stuff" and which ones mean "data you can read or see or hear" is absurd, especially when they can only sometimes see them and what they see is not always the "real" extension. It is certainly an area where OS's could be significantly improved.

  46. Re:"She Should Open up a Terminal..." by raw-sewage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ubuntu certainly has come a long way in terms of usability for the average person. But it's still not nice enough for the average person.

    I built a computer for my fiancee and put Ubuntu 7.04 (and later 7.10) on it. She thinks it's just OK. She recently quit her job to go back to school. She wants a laptop, and she insisted that it have Windows XP. I didn't even suggest that she let me put Linux on it. Her current Ubuntu workstation is used for casual tasks that aren't that important: MySpace, YouTube, email, listening to music, etc. Since these tasks aren't of great importance, she's willing to wait for me to fix things that break (and they do break). But I can't expect that of her when she's got a paper to turn in or an online assignment to complete.

    I know there's a huge debate (maybe even a holy war) about whether open source desktops should innovate or just copy Windows. Fortunately there's enough choice that different projects more or less have both avenues covered. But---and it pains me to say this---emulating Windows (pre-Vista Windows anyway) is probably the way to go if converts are really wanted. Even though doing things in Windows isn't always consistent or elegant or even easy, it's familiar. Computer geeks like myself like differences: they are fun to explore and play with and foster ideas. But the rest of the world just wants to get their work done. They don't care what's going on behind the scenes, and they don't have the patience to mess with "restricted drivers", the command line, "Synaptic", or different document formats just to get something done.

    Right now sound isn't working on her Ubuntu machine. All I did was run the update. Looks like a buggy ALSA driver got installed (do a search for "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave"). But for the life of me, I can't find a fix, other than to upgrade to 8.04.

    When I initially set up her computer, there was some version mis-match or something like that with the packaged flash player. The solution was to download a specific version of the .deb file and do a manual dpkg (or apt-get) install. Relatively easy for me, but my why should I expect my fiancee to have to go through all that? Even in the article, the author said it was YouTube's fault for redirecting a browser that doesn't have Flash installed. It doesn't matter---in Windows, when you go to a Flash site without having Flash installed, you get the same behavior: "Click here to install flash", and you're done.

    I installed Skype on her computer; it mostly works, except that the emoticons aren't animated like they are on the Windows client. Not a big deal, but it's just one more thing that makes Linux feel like a downgrade to her. This is one example where the Linux world lacks the polish of the Windows world. Polish may not mean anything to the geekier among us, but it does make the typical person feel like they've take a step backwards.

    She recently got an iPod Shuffle... this sort of works. I forget the name of the application that auto-loads when the iPod is plugged in, but about half the time it crashes. No error message or anything, the whole Window just disappears. Sometimes we'll start sync'ing songs to the iPod, minimize that application, go do something else for a while, and... where did that program go? Looks like we have to start the process all over again.

    There's been a number of other issues, off and on, that require my intervention (i.e. track down the bug or quirk on the web, then install/uninstall/upgrade/downgrade a package, and possibly hack some things on the commandline). But the biggest killer for her is still OpenOffice.org. That program also crashes randomly. (Ironically, one of the crashes was when I was having her make a list of things she liked/didn't like about Ubuntu, and what she needed for a laptop. I can't think of a more simple/straightforward task: start OOWriter, create a bulleted list and save.)

    But the MS Office to Ope

  47. What Linux OS do you use? by WebCowboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    It sure doesn't sound like my experience.

    The linux community tries in a lot of aspect to stray far far away from Windows out of principle yet fail to impliment the things Microsoft actually got right.

    This is historically incorrect.

    When Linus started making his kernel Windows NT was a new, unproven kernel and DOS and windows was a joke. Linus was familiar with UNIX and Minix in his academic background and built what he knew. The GNU software that completes the picture started as part of an effort to create Free replacements for UNIX software that was rapidly becoming closed.

    The "Linux community" doesn't purposely try to be different from Windows because of its hate for Microsoft. From the start, GNU and Linux aspired to work like UNIX and be compliant with standards like POSIX. Not only were DOS and Windows less familiar to the interested parties, Microsoft products made no strategic effort to be compliant with any proper standard back in the day.

    Also, it would be nice if you could give some examples of what MSFT *got right* that Linux-based OSes fail to implement (apparently "on principle"). Ubuntu, Fedora, SuSE and the like all adopted the "automatic update" model amongst some other Microsoft advances.

    The typical user should not have to open up a term window to install a program. It should be click and guide you through the rest. That was always my biggest complaint.

    What are you talking about? I haven't opened a terminal window to install a software package on my desktop for years now! It isn't hard to find a "beginner's wizard" for installing software packages either--you can do it right from the GNOME equivalent of the start menu. Is it perfecet? No, but it's actually better than windows already--it is only different, and the biggest issue is that people are lazy and don't want to re-learn. It is a big reason Apple still has a small market share too.

    Anyways, I find if you try to imitate the familiar you run into more frustrations than if you just try to make things work logically. If it looks different then users' expectations will be different. There are multiple XP-themed KDE desktop linux setups out there and none of them gained traction like GNOME-based Ubuntu that looks like nothing else in particular, except perhaps vaguely Mac-like. They suffer from an "uncanny-valley" sort of problem--they look so familiar, that when an imperfection is found it has an amplified, more jarring negative effect on the user.

    Interestingly, that is a problem Vista has had--even more so than XP had. People expect the same, see somewhat the same, and then they are presented with messed up control panel dialogues, UAC, and so on and get extremely annoyed. It has proven more irritating to users than the dramatic win3.x to win9x transition.

    Given that, I say forget about anti-MS "principles" AND brain-dead imitation. I think that Ubuntu, GNOME and even KDE 4 have not made great efforts at mimicking MSFT in their default behaviour and appearance to their benefit. It's easier to compete when you stand on your own.