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Usability Testing Hardy Heron With a Girlfriend

toomin writes "Reviews of the latest Ubuntu version, 8.04 Hardy Heron, are everywhere, but most of them are undertaken by geeks familiar with Linux. This guy sits his girlfriend down at a brand-new Ubuntu installation and asks her to perform some basic tasks. Some of them are surprisingly easy, others frustrate and annoy. There are lots of little usability tweaks he stumbles upon just by seeing the desktop experience from the point of view of the mainstream user."

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  1. I call Shenanigans!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Linux geek with a girlfriend?? Yeah right!

    1. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wonder if his wife knows about this...

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    2. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Particularly suspicious is that the only picture shown in the article of the alleged "girlfriend" is an admitted photoshop (that she apparently did herself) :).

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    3. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

      A Linux geek with a girlfriend?? Yeah right! If the geek is ambidextrous, the "girlfriend" could be the right, or could be the left.
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    4. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by AikonMGB · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is one of the problems with GIMP.. Who wants to show someone a picture that they edited and say "I GIMPed her in this picture"?

      Aikon-

    5. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Funny

      Usability testing? With an OPEN SOURCE product?!

      This article is pure fiction. After all, usability testing is one of those things that evil proprietary software companies like Microsoft do!

    6. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      My girlfriend finds my hairy hardon perfectly usable since it came out of beta. Isn't a beta a type of fish?
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    7. Re:I call Shenanigans!! by cloakable · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not even Microsoft does usability testing - look at Vista!

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  2. He does what with his girlfriend ? by BattleCat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something is surely wrong, when instead of fscking her right proper he sits her down with Ubuntu...

    1. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by tgd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Woh, I swear I thought you said fscking her right pooper and I wondered what kind of girl this is that has a right and left pooper.

    2. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by kevingolding2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This would be the deluxe model multi-user inflatable girlfriend.

    3. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by Wiseman1024 · · Score: 5, Funny

      While task number 14 would be to try backports. I'd love backporting her to the current version of my hardy hardon.

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    4. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by Provocateur · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, what's your definition of foreplay?

      Guy uses remote to start the Barry White

      GF: What's it called again?
      BF: Hardy Heron...
      GF: What er distro is this?
      BF: Ubuntu, baby, which is African for Jungle Love...

      (cue fireplace shot)

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    5. Re:He does what with his girlfriend ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do realize that people who actually have girlfriends have plenty of time to spend with them, and doing one thing doesn't preclude another?

      In any real-world relationship, even one with a good amount of sex, most of the time will be spent doing other things.

  3. Usability Testing Hardon With a Girlfriend ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is Slashdot, not PenthouseDot or PlayboyDot.
    We don't have girlfriends to test the usability of our hardon's with.

    Oh... Hardy Herron, who's that ?

  4. Smart move by caution+live+frogs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's how user testing should be done. It is really much too difficult for someone familiar with the program or OS to see what is not obvious or confusing to a novice user. The people that program the UI don't always think like a user - they usually think like a programmer, and that doesn't always work.

    1. Re:Smart move by MMC+Monster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree. I expected this article to be a little silly, but it was well thought out.

      The new user was given a bunch of common tasks (play some music, draw a picture, play a video on youtube, use an instant messenger on MSN network, install a commonly used application (skype), edit a photo) and asked to perform them on a default installation of Ubuntu.

      Well done. The Ubuntu team (and other linux distributions) can learn a lot from this article alone. Hopefully it will give a target for other usability testing in the future.

      (And, no, I have nothing to do with the article author or website.)

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    2. Re:Smart move by Bombula · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What is positively astonishing is how persistent this problem is. Look back at the thousands of linux threads over the last 10 years, and you will see the SAME complaint again and again, and again. And again. And AGAIN. It is farking ridiculous.

      How hard is it to sit down and run a simple test like the (excellent) one this guy did with his girlfriend for every release?

      To Ubtunu's credit, most of the fault lies with the applications and not with the OS itself. Well-designed apps like Skype make things simple and intuitive for new users. But Ubuntu itself could develop specs for developers that required basic intros, wizards, etc for introducing and explaining the simple but non-obvious stuff to new users. Conversion rates would then skyrocket.

      Again, there is no logical reason why this hasn't been implemented before. The only explanation is therefore stupidity on the part of the developers - both on the OS and the app side. Cue the irony tag, given how clever most of these folks like to think they are. I guess what it shows is that being a math jock or code monkey with a stratospheric IQ doesn't make you a good UI designer any more than it makes you a suave and charming socialite.

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    3. Re:Smart move by ray-auch · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Again, there is no logical reason why this hasn't been implemented before.

      The word "girlfriend" should be a clue...

    4. Re:Smart move by Cato · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually usability testing has been going on with Linux for many years - since at least 2001 for GNOME when Sun started doing this ( http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/usertesting.html ). Here's a good article that talks about usability testing for Linux, also from 2001, and mentioning KDE user testing: http://lwn.net/2001/0614/desktop.php3

      GNOME is the way it is today largely because of usability testing, I believe - while many power users and developers whinge about this, it is becoming much closer to Macs in overall usability.

      So the issue is not "stupid developers", it's a matter of taking the time to do the testing - and it helps if you have some expertise at running the tests. Then it's the time to actually make the changes. Many developers aren't that interested in doing the testing, which is why there have been separate usability initiatives that can feed changes into projects.

      Some of the issues logged here are not that easy to solve - e.g. making Firefox pop up an Ubuntu-specific Flash installation prompt, rather than executing the YouTube JavaScript logic that pushes people towards an Adobe plugin site that actually does have a Linux plugin for Flash, but one that's much harder to install than an Ubuntu-packaged Flash plugin.

      Also, the one about finding MP3s on the Windows partition is not that easy - you could simply copy the files across with the Ubuntu migration assistant, but what if they're in a non-standard place? Indexing the Windows filesystem to quickly find these might help, but building the index could take some time. However, it would probably be enough if there was some feature in Ubuntu that scanned for existing partitions and said (based on partition type and a few key directories/files) that 'this looks like a Windows partition, it's available on the desktop through this icon', and ideally did a special symbolic link for the My Documents or similar (though that's tough as it's per-user under Windows - which user should this use).

    5. Re:Smart move by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      It is a good article. But we might be seeing early stages of a conflict between friendliness and elegance. For example, I was annoyed when I upgraded to Hairy Hardon that it had decided I needed folders called Documents, Music, Pictures etc. in my home directory. A couple of the things suggested had less to do with usability than they did to do with familiarity to someone brought up on Windows. I don't think Linux environments should be so keen to emulate the Windows environment. It's a short term benefit with long term consequences. And even the short term benefit is a small one - look at the later iterations of Office: built around the concept that you don't need to read instructions, that everything should immediately be self-explanatory. A noble goal, but not one possible to reconcile with utility. I think I would rather a short, well written Introduction to Ubuntu than try to make everything look like Windows.

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    6. Re:Smart move by grm_wnr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it doesn't. I fact, it is a already a huge advantage that she did not have to install Ubuntu (Note: It's not that installing Windows is easier, but people do not install Windows, they buy computers with Windows on them. This is a real problem that no amount of whining about the unfairness of it all will make go away.) Now, imagine if she had the wrong wireless chipset; 0/12 points right there, instantly.

    7. Re:Smart move by KutuluWare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really. The goal isn't to make Ubuntu "as easy to use as Vista". The goal is to make Ubuntu "usable by everyone". Comparisons to Windows will only invite the subconscious tendancy to stop when Ubuntu reaches parity, no matter how counter-intuitive it may be.

      Doing things the "Windows way" is frequently easier because people are familiar with it, in which case it makes sense. But there are plenty of things Windows gets way wrong that Linux can get right.

    8. Re:Smart move by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who cares?
      The aim is to make the Linux desktop experience better, not to justify it's failings as somehow being ok because it's just as difficult to use as windows.
      "Easier than a Mac!" That should be the mantra, not:
      "Windows is just as crusty!"...

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    9. Re:Smart move by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think I would rather a short, well written Introduction to Ubuntu than try to make everything look like Windows. No-one that should read said introduction will read said introduction. You won't either, but I'd hazard a guess that you don't need to.

      Looking like Windows / intuitive operation and user friendliness are distinct concepts but they all meet at a nexus.

      If a metaphor works, is understood, and is in common use, why change it?
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    10. Re:Smart move by PReDiToR · · Score: 3, Informative

      I did implement this test. With gOS v1.

      I told my GF that I couldn't locate an XP Home OEM CD to use with the sticker on the side of her beige box.
      She had used my openSUSE 10.3 laptop and seen that OpenOffice.org was very similar to MS Office.
      She said that it was OK to put Linux on her computer that she uses for work as long as other people in her large government organisation would be able to read the documents she produced.

      The upshot was, after a week someone couldn't read the OOo format and I showed her how to save as .DOC, since then her experience has been 100% positive. We're even trying to get her sister to use Linux because of the number of times she asks for techsupport after the kids mess up Windows.

      One major convenience for my GF is that it took less than 10 minutes to set NX up on her machine, and now she can sit in the comfy chair downstairs with my laptop and do her work from there instead of spending untold hours in her study in front of a big ol' CRT that does nothing for her eyes over long periods.

      The transition to Linux for her has been very easy. She doesn't have to use a command line, all her apps are in plain view (if you haven't used gOS v1, it is Gutsy with E17) and everything Just Works. She hasn't mentioned going back to Windows since that first document that someone couldn't read.

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    11. Re:Smart move by grahamm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe a better test would be to have someone who is not familiar with Windows to test it. That way they do not have to unlearn the windows way.

      Probably the best usability test would be to take 2 groups of people, none of which have any computer experience, and give one group computers with (bare bones) Windows installed and the other with a Linux. Let them experiment for a week or so and then give them all the same test tasks and see which group manages the tasks more successfully.

    12. Re:Smart move by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree with you generally, I have to say that the three non-nerd non-geek members of my family have a problem: they were under the belief that Windows is the computer! They accessed the internet through Windows. They have a little trouble understanding why they have to have permissions to install software. They know what an iPod is but don't understand what a Mac is.

      When they sit down at (first 7.10) Ubuntu 8.04 there are a couple of things I've noticed like the GP. If there is already a folder called photos and the camera automatically downloads pictures to that folder... well, they understand that. If they have to create a folder and tell the software to put the photos... well, it's a pain and they'll just pass. seriously!

      My dad explained it to me like this: If a computer was a hammer it would not be a good one. FerChrisAkes, I want to hit nails, NOT learn how to make hammers. While that analogy only goes so far, it's true. Some just want the 'tool' to work (that's what she said!) and other's want to fiddle with it a lot (no comment).

      IMHO, Ubuntu is giving us a hammer that doesn't need instructions or assembly. It's not perfect, but it IS damned good.

    13. Re:Smart move by Xacid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've heard this same argument for years and really it just sounds like whining to me. The linux community tries in a lot of aspect to stray far far away from Windows out of principle yet fail to impliment the things Microsoft actually got right.

      The typical user should not have to open up a term window to install a program. It should be click and guide you through the rest. That was always my biggest complaint. Sure I could fire up some synaptic or whatever it was but that's not exactly intuitive - I had to have a nix friend of mine tell me it even existed.

      Linux, nor Ubuntu, will thrive as a dominant OS as long as users like "Erin" still have trouble figuring things out.

      Ok, so don't take things from Windows - but figure it out from the Apple OS. Even granny can use those.

    14. Re:Smart move by malevolentjelly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, Windows has 91% of the OS market share.

      At this point, you need to win those people over by offering an easy experience. At first, people will treat it like Windows. After a while, people will eventually treat it like Ubuntu. Linux still has a hold over userbase from the DOS world where men were men and functionality was won through hard labor.

      This probably occurs when people switch to mac as well.

      But you are right- if Ubuntu ever matches Windows' functionality or market share, they will probably slow down in usability development. Like most open source (and closed source to a lesser extent) it grows through mimickery.

    15. Re:Smart move by Intron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Obviously you didn't read the article. Here's the page Youtube sent her to. Note that there is no '.deb' choice.

      http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash

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    16. Re:Smart move by Tweenk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are some obstacles to implementing these changes:
      1. FOSS fundamentalism - "MP3 codecs and DeCSS are unclean, so let's make it harder to use them". I think Medibuntu should be optionally enabled, and the important components (DeCSS, restricted codecs etc.) automatically pulled in, at installation. There could also be a checklist of what the user wants to install (MP3, DVD, encrypted DVD...) with explanation of the legal implications.
      2. Windows users which think Add/Remove programs means Remove programs (because in Windows you can't Add any programs via this menu...). This, however, can be countered by having a package manager advertised properly.
      3. Windows way of installing programs by downloading them from websites. The users end up downloading the source and trying to compile it, and fail miserably (I have seen this personally with my brother trying to install Kadu). There should be something discouraging this mode of action.
      4. Usability testing spoils a test subject. You need to find new ones every time, because they gain experience the first time they test.
      5. Once Ubuntu is loaded with pretty wizards, no developers will use it ("build a system that an idiot can use, and only an idiot will want to use it"). There should be an "expert" mode which turns off all introductory wizards.

      From what I see Ubuntu is currently catering to its expected target demographic (medium-level geeks). Because of this, there's PulseAudio, which allows one to route sound over LAN, but no MP3 playback, because it requires something unclean.

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    17. Re:Smart move by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When people say "intuitive", they really mean "familiar" -- Jef Raskin.

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    18. Re:Smart move by fbjon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, and wrong. There's no reason why the mindstorms kit can't be transformed into a hammer, should the user need it, and most people need hammers most of the time, not mindstorms kits. The computer as a tool should be tailored/tailor itself to the users needs and level of mental sophistication. Trying to do it the other way indicates a bad tool, not a bad user.

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    19. Re:Smart move by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This coming from a person who still doesn't quite get the concept of "variable-width fonts" and "text-wrapping."

      The only thing that is "intuitive" is a nipple.

      Could we retire this tired old phrase, please? Not clever.

      The notion of installing new Windows apps through the
      control panel would make perfect sense if the relevant
      control panel app did what it's name implies.


      Yes, well, that was part of the point wasn't it? You can improve on the things Windows gets wrong (which is frankly a lot of things), you don't have to be a perfect clone of Windows. The point is that you should be *at least* as good as Windows, and right now software installation on Linux isn't.

      This is one of those areas where Linux really excels
      but not insisting on being some sort of Windows clone.

      A distinct product is going to have some meaningful
      differences, imagine that.


      Yes. OS X and Windows have differences because they came from different multi-tasking philosophies... Macintosh apps were designed (back in the 80s) to take over the screen so that you were using one application at a time. Thus, current Mac applications share the same menu bar at the top of the screen, and its content changes as you change the current app. Windows was designed differently, so it works differently.

      It's a meaningful difference. And yet both Windows and OS X are more usable than Linux.

      What the Linux community needs to do is to take the best from Windows, the best from OS X, and then improve on that. It especially needs to stop constantly comparing itself to Windows, and judging itself on its own merits. As a Mac-user, it bugs me that both major Linux window environments are complete rips of Windows.

    20. Re:Smart move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> The only thing that is "intuitive" is a nipple.
      > Could we retire this tired old phrase, please? Not clever.

      It's not only not clever, it's not even correct. Babies need to learn to nurse, and it's the first sign of developmental problems when they don't learn it quickly.

    21. Re:Smart move by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What, KDE?

      The same KDE that uses single-click everywhere by default, that has an optional Mac-style menu bar... The same that, on Ubuntu, has a clearly OS X inspired control panel... That KDE?

      And you're confusing "usability" with "discoverability". Discoverability is important for the first hour or two of using an OS, maybe the first few days. Usability is important for the rest of your life. I'm glad Ubuntu focuses on the latter.

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    22. Re:Smart move by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nipples aren't intuitive interfaces. Both moms and babies have to learn how to nurse, and it's an important part of prenatal classes.

      If it's not done correctly, you end up with hungry babies and sore moms.

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  5. Yeah, right. by Aaron+Isotton · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, man tests usability of Duke Nukem Forever running on GNU Hurd by making his GIRLFRIEND play it.

  6. Exceptionally good. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Use internet. Successful.
    2) Watch youtube. Unsuccessful. No Flash.
    3) Use torrent. Successful (but this is not a novice user task)
    4) Draw pic. 1/2 Successful. Chose wrong tool.
    5) Burn music. Unsuccessful
    6) Mouse speed change. Successful.
    7) Theme change. Successful.
    8) Desktop background change. Successful.
    9) Scree resolution change. Unsuccessful.
    10) Advanced image manipulation. Successful
    11) MSN. Unsuccessful
    12) Install & Use skype. Successful.

    Note, the problem with 5) burning music was not the actual burning, but finding the mp3s on a windows partition.

    So, 8/12. (maybe 9.5/12)

    To be honest, I've seen experience computer users have more trouble doing the above tasks when switching from windows to OS X.

    Kudos to Ubuntu.

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    1. Re:Exceptionally good. by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      2) Watch youtube. Unsuccessful. No Flash.
      11) MSN. Unsuccessful

      Yeah well, I have a girlfriend too, and all she ever does on a computer is watch music videos on YouTube, write e-mails and chat on MSN. Maybe you'd like to weight your rating based on how important something is to the person tested (by asking them). Downloading a torrent and changing your mouse speed will probably rate to 0 while MSN will probably rate to "Why the hell would I need a computer if not for MSN?".

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    2. Re:Exceptionally good. by Barny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, have had that problem with YouTube on ubuntu as well, and it only happens if YouTube is the first site you go to, they fubar their refer to adobe.

      If she had of gone to, say, ANYWHERE else first it would have been fine and just popped up with a bar saying "i can haz plugin?", say yes and bam, its all good.

      Long and short, it should have flash already on it.

      Oh and she was lucky it was the 32bit version, installing and using skype is pretty hard when there ain't a 64bit binary available for the platform (last time I looked anyway).

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    3. Re:Exceptionally good. by grm_wnr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >she should have read the release notes

      Ahaha, good one. I thought the very point of this exercise was that users do not behave like developers expect or would like them to. Reading release notes is certainly among the things they rarely ever do, and so this hints at Ubuntu doing something wrong more than anything else.

    4. Re:Exceptionally good. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah well, I have a girlfriend too, and all she ever does on a computer is watch music videos on YouTube, write e-mails and chat on MSN

      And how well do you think your girlfriend would go on a vanilla windows install with no flash installed, MSN account not setup, etc?

      If the article's author had setup flash / pidgin / explained the difference between GIMP & Open Office draw, his girlfriend would have had few problems.

      I'd suggest to you (honestly) - that if all your gf really does is youtube, mail & chat, then she'd be much better off on Ubuntu than windows.

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    5. Re:Exceptionally good. by xtracto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And how well do you think your girlfriend would go on a vanilla windows install with no flash installed, MSN account not setup, etc?

      Quite fine, there is the Windows Messenger that comes by default in Windows Xp.

      And about Flash? the first time you go to a flash-based site, it tells you you must install Flash and asks you if you want to install it, after there, just clicking YES YES NEXT NEXT ACCEPT YES will take you to a fully working Flash IE.

      If the article's author had setup flash / pidgin / explained the difference between GIMP & Open Office draw, his girlfriend would have had few problems.

      Yeah, but that is the main idea with this Usuability testing/QA issues. You do not want having to explain to everyone about such things. By the time you are telling them "GIMP... which stants for GNU Image Manipulation Program.. GNU is for GNU is not Unix" they lost all interest and just tell you to please resintall Windows.

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    6. Re:Exceptionally good. by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd suggest to you (honestly) - that if all your gf really does is youtube, mail & chat, then she'd be much better off on Ubuntu than windows.

      Maybe. Those who use a computer for those tasks often also use it to play music (MP3 Support) and play movies (DVD support) where Microsoft has paid for the privilage to supply the codecs and the Ubuntu distro is lacking.

      MP3 support isn't bad, but DVD support comes with dire warnings of DMCA violations and it may be illegal where you live.

      Once installed, I like the Ubuntu machine over anything else for playing movies. You put in the DVD and the movie starts.. No previews, no unskippable FBI warning etc. Nice. If I want to watch all the extras, I can watch them later. It's the way a DVD player should work.

      If I travel without a laptop, I carry a copy of Geex box. It's a bootable Linux Media player. Nice.

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    7. Re:Exceptionally good. by Spudds · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By the time you are telling them "GIMP... which stants for GNU Image Manipulation Program.. GNU is for GNU is not Unix" they lost all interest and just tell you to please resintall Windows. Who the hell would do that?
      If you're talking to a novice you're not going to go into tons of detail about acronyms and such, you're going to say "GIMP does stuff that photoshop does"

      I think your argument is silly.
    8. Re:Exceptionally good. by ElleyKitten · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd love to see someone sit their girlfriend in front of a fresh XP install; "Now, go find drivers for network card, graphics card, divx codecs etc" Yeah right. Some of us girlfriends have been able to do that for longer than out boyfriends. It's not like you need a penis to figure out PCs.
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  7. Girlfriend? by angryfirelord · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is slashdot! I don't have a girlfriend, you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:Girlfriend? by grm_wnr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Open synaptic and install girlfriend (or just apt-get girlfriend like a true geek). Beware of the dependencies though.

    2. Re:Girlfriend? by hedleyroos · · Score: 5, Funny

      Real geeks compile their girlfriends from source.

    3. Re:Girlfriend? by David+Gerard · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's sudo apt-get girlfriend. It typically requires full access and control of your system.

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    4. Re:Girlfriend? by Centurix · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dependency not found: money

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  8. Arr matey. by grm_wnr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I laughed heartily at the fact that a common user scenario includes how to torrent a Spice Girls album. Not that I think that's not the case; it was just pretty refreshing to see how blatant this guy is about it.

    1. Re:Arr matey. by jimicus · · Score: 4, Funny

      They chose Spice Girls because not even the RIAA, with their inflated ideas of what each infraction costs, could possibly demand more than about 20 US cents with a striaght face.

  9. ports... by Anoraknid+the+Sartor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where do I get this "with a girlfriend" release? .. of course with my luck, the "girlfriend" will be the openbsd version, and ship with all ports closed by default.

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  10. Window Size complaint. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    His note that if you go too small of screen size you cant click on the buttons of the dialog. This happens a LOT in windows with dons of the dialogs and YES even the screen size dialog.

    She would have failed that test under windows.

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    1. Re:Window Size complaint. by grm_wnr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Last time I checked Windows still had the 15 second reset countdown when you change screen resolution.

    2. Re:Window Size complaint. by JustinOpinion · · Score: 3, Informative
      Ubuntu has something similar. From TFA:

      However, she clicked "Keep settings" straight away, and couldn't work out how to get it back... This is exactly the same problem you would have in Windows if you changed the resolution and immediately clicked the "Keep these settings" button in that 15-second dialog. After you've done that, you may find it difficult to navigate back and change it to the previous resolution.

      The problem here has a lot to do with new users being inundated with confusing dialog boxes, and just clicking "OK" at the first opportunity. This problem occurs both on Windows and Ubuntu. Not that this excuses Ubuntu: a usability problem should be fixed, even if it occurs on other platforms as well.
    3. Re:Window Size complaint. by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At least in Linux you could boot up into command line mode and edit your xorg.conf file to change the resolution. Say what you want about the command line and editing the config file, and how users shouldn't have to do it, but at least the option is available. Any idea if the same can be done under windows? It's the same reason why so many forums are filled with directions on how to accomplish stuff over the command line. Sure it's a little more difficult than clicking around in a GUI. But it's much more likely to work across different distros and different versions of the same distro.

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  11. Interesting by chuckymonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's pretty interesting. On a tangentially related note, a guy I work with just install Ubuntu as his first linux. A friend and I were talking about 8.04 and he overheard us, so he walked up and started asking questions about it which we answered. The next day he shows up to work and says that he installed it and is really liking it. What is this world coming to when a normal guy one day hears about linux and the next successfully installs it without asking the local nerds for help? It was really interesting, he said the hardest thing was burning the ISO, other than that he said it was easier to use and set up than windows. Trust me when I say that this guy is very very average when it comes to computer smarts, this was a huge leap for him and it was no trouble at all. That's how I know linux is heading mainstream.

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    1. Re:Interesting by nkh · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I can confirm that this is a rather strange world we're living in. My wife wants to switch to Ubuntu (and thus wiping Windows XP from her computer) because of some reasons I had not expected (from my point of view as a hardcore developer):
      • Frozen Bubble is available on Linux, as well as a lot of good games
      • Less viruses than XP, and so no need for an anti-virus
      • Firefox and "MSN" chat are available on Linux
      • Free IT support when I'm available at home
      I know that it may seem redundant but computer noobs switch for very strange reasons and we must listen to their needs if we want Linux to "succeed on the desktop."
    2. Re:Interesting by bmorency · · Score: 5, Funny

      Free IT support when I'm available at home Your wife wants to switch to linux because she will get free support from you? Did you charge her when she was using windows? :-)
  12. Re:Well, sorta flawed review by daveime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish I'd taken that train of thought a little further before clicking submit.

    IF Ubuntu (or release of your choice), WAS more like Windows, just think how much higher the adoption rate would be for it. Imagine how EASY it would be if you could show people with only a Windows background, "look, you do the same things and get the same result - only this one is free, doesn't come cluttered with DRM, isn't susceptible to malware etc etc".

    It could be the BIG selling point, if only you'd give in to the pressure. But comments like this just perpetuate the "elitist" attitude of Open Source ... it's not necessarily "better" because it's "different" ... in fact I think the opposite.

    If only you'd see the wood for the trees, you could have your open source "revolution" we've been waiting for for 25 years.

  13. Re:No Windows Clone by grm_wnr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And most people would rather stay with XP instead of moving to Vista. Just like they'd rather stay with XP than moving to Ubuntu.

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  15. Test using Kubuntu? by Danathar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to see the same test with Kubuntu. Not saying that it's better but I'd like to see the results with KDE as well.

  16. New user mode by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think many of these observations were valid and maybe points up the need for a "New To Ubuntu" mode that provides extra assistance for common transitional tasks. But, please, in consideration for those of us a little more technically inclined, provide a way to turn the new user mode off. Or offer it as a separate distro.

    I'd be willing to bet the larger fraction of Ubuntu users are fairly tech savvy. If the developers try to foist Ubuntu Bob on users that don't want or need it, they'll lose their most loyal users. Bad for all of us. But if there isn't some kind of transitional assistance for new users, that will inhibit getting users from other operating systems into the ark.

    The great thing about Linux is that it doesn't have to be all things to all people. You can shape a distro to the specific needs of particular users.

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  17. It's a fine line... by JustinOpinion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article several times suggests that the solution to some of these problems is, essentially, user education: having balloons that signal "new item installed" or wizards open the first time you launch a program, telling you how the program works.

    The problem is that this approach often doesn't work. For one thing, it annoys the piss out of experience users. For another thing, new users tend to ignore most of that information... mainly because they are being overwhelmed by new information and can't possibly assimilate it all.

    Take, for instance, the problem that was encountered when changing screen resolution. The tester changed the resolution easily, but then she clicked the "Keep settings" immediately, which locked her into graphic settings that were hard to change back. Part of the problem, I suppose is that the system allowed the user to make a ridiculous change. But part of the problem is also, perhaps, that the user is very used to clicking "OK" on any dialog that gets in the way: there are too many new things to read and learn, and the easiest way to get things done (in the mind of a new user) is to dismiss those annoying boxes as quickly as possible. Would a second popup, that described in detail why this low resolution was a bad idea (and how to undo it when desired), have changed anything? Doubtful. Most users would just click "OK" without reading it.

    All this to say that I'm by no means convinced that adding more balloons, wizards, and dialog boxes will magically make it easier for users to figure out what's going on. I don't know what the solution is: usability is a tough problem. There is a place for helpful information (balloons, tool-tips, etc.), reminders, and wizards. But too much of this becomes decidedly counter-productive.

    1. Re:It's a fine line... by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think a universal "undo" command would go a long way. Most people will just try to guess their way through things as a first resort, either because they assume they know more than they do, or they just don't feel like poring over documentation. In many cases it is difficult to read that stuff while making changes to begin with, so they are unhelpful unless you already know what you are trying to do, a situation that probably comes up more often after something gets screwed up.

      If software adhered to a universal "undo" command, people who follow the first instinct to click whatever button isn't "Cancel" would at least have some way to back out of their mistakes and get it right on a subsequent try. It would also give us some protection against developers who create crap software and crap documentation.

  18. Even sales guys can install Ubuntu by Centurix · · Score: 3, Informative

    One of our sales guys was having problems with his XP pro install, IE bit the dust and wouldn't show images, even the images in the about box for the application. He asked me if there was any decent alternatives to any of this stuff and I mentioned Ubuntu, but with a level of hesitation (becoming his technical support person for the next 6 months didn't appeal to me) I stated that it had some parts which were a little on the technical side and that he couldn't expect everything to work out of the box. It was a 3 year old laptop. Overnight he found the ubuntu site, downloaded the 7.10 ISO and did a full install (after backing everything up). Came in the next day, put the thing on my desk and showed me it running, including using his accounting package under WINE, his printer and scanner installation. I was thoroughly impressed, with the only question he had was how to setup his PCMCIA NextG Telstra card, about 10 minutes installation time. He had even converted his mail from Outlook to Evolution. After this, I have much more confidence in recommending Ubuntu to people who are used to using something else on a regular daily basis. Before this I'd usually install this stuff for other people I knew, get it going and leave them to it, no more virus or spyware phone calls. Nice work Canonical.

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  19. I can't be the only one... by digitalsolo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't be the only one who read this as "Usability testing hardy heroIn with a girlfriend".

    I mean, I'm sure it will work, but that is likely to soon require a replacement girlfriend...

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  20. Sure linux geeks have girlfriends... by oddesign · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi... I'm a girlfriend of a computer geek? Anyway, he helped me get set up on Ubuntu. If you have a girlfriend, show her how to use Ubuntu. Please! Don't leave her stranded on Windoze. Sure, there's a learning curve... but if I didn't have my boyfriend to show me how to get the hang of Ubuntu then I never would have managed it on my own. Just having a computer-savvy guy who could show me the quirks... how to patiently look up fixes on the ubuntu forums rather than sitting here mad at the machine if something breaks... damn that's sexy. Be prepared for your girlfriend being a little confused/frustrated/annoyed at little things that you just didn't even think to be confused/frustrated/annoyed at when you were setting things up on your machine... but once she gets the hang of it, she won't go back. The number of programs freely available to install immediately is fantastic. I agree that Gimp should be set up more like Photoshop. (I hate how each image gets it's own window. What a window-hog. Also, it needs better colour support.)

  21. Simple logic by Alkonaut · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The logic of it is: with open source, people write software to fix their own problems. Only in rare cases (the big ones: Firefox, Ubuntu, and with commercial OSS) will any developer spend time fixing someone elses problem. And since all developers are geeks (sweeping generalization, but hey) most open source software will not solve any problems for a non-geek.

    This is why the problem is so persistent, it is inherent to the open source way of devoloping software. It won't go away any time soon.

    What could change it would for example be if a seller of a commercial linux distro would actually pay application developers for modifications, including usability: "-You get $1000 if you can make pidgin girlfriend-friendly following these guidelines", meaning: wizards, simplifications, naming conventions, themes and so on.

  22. Usability test by mach1980 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well here's some more anectodes:

    My wife switched to Ubuntu after her XP-installation trashed the hard drive. When she first tried to recover the OS with the supplied restore-cd from LG neither the WiFi card or sound worked. Then she tried Ubuntu which worked without turning a dial.

    Now she's been running Ubuntu for over six months and she's hooked. She even managed to install Hardy Heron while breastfeeding our 7 week old daughter. - If that isn't usability for the masses then what is?

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  23. People Pay Cash for Usability by reallocate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The number of comments in this thread from people who are dismissive of usability tests is indicative of the gap between Linux fans and everyone else.

    Usability is more than checking to see if a user evenrtually figured out how to get something deon. E.g., it's disastrous if they can't figure out how to open a file. But, the fact that they managed to open the file is not necessarily an indicator of a good design.

    Usability is something people pay cash for. Just ask Apple and the Photoshop folks.

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  24. That this story even exists is part of the problem by beadfulthings · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, and it's a huge part. It's the 800 pound gorilla part.

    Testing for useability needs to come in much, much earlier in development, and it needs to involve a much wider cross-section of human beings. And as it's being done, development of adequate documentation and help needs to go hand and hand with it.

    It's so easy to disparage girlfriends, the middle-aged, and the elderly--in short, anyone whose job or study is not technical--that I think it's becoming ingrained in the cultures responsible for developing the various operating-system distributions and open-source software packages. This is going to cause them to suffer over the long haul. It's what makes them such a tough sell to people in business.

    There's an immense population of middle-aged people, for example, still in the work force. And interestingly enough, they've actually now all got 20 or 25 years' experience as end-users of computer systems. They're not stupid. They all have jobs that they need to get done. They're not interested in being part of user communities and forums. They're not interested in the ideals of free and open-source software. They're not interested in sticking it to Microsoft. They're not interested in that warm feeling of accomplishment that until recently accompanied getting your printers hooked up to OpenOffice--after wasting hours of productive time doing it. They're interested in using their computers as tools to accomplish their current day's work.

    Issues of usability and documentation aren't much fun. They're probably the least glamorous and most boring functions of developing the software. That's why they get such short shrift in open-source development. Nobody really wants to take them on, so we're treated to excrescenses like having people guess how to get out to a command line to install their audio player or their scanner or their printer.

    Large-scale developers of proprietary software know precisely where their bread is buttered, and they attend to all this as a matter of course.

    "Girlfriend" articles seem to appear quite regularly every few months, so at least somebody is thinking about this even at a ridiculous level. A lot more people need to be thinking about it at a much more serious level.

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  25. Wonderful emphasis by kria · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but I'm sick of things like this - his girlfriend HAS to be some untutored user who has no clue about computers, tee-hee. As a female computer programmer, should people assume my husband is computer illiterate? No? Then why assume his girlfriend is?

    Isn't it enough to say that the installation was tested with a novice user instead of putting stupid assumptions and implications right in the freaking headline?

    And of course, what kind of replies do I expect to my post around here? People marveling that a woman is posting on slashdot that will be modded up as funny. Given the nature of my post, I also expect some responses telling me to calm down or calling me a feminazi. There, I've taken care of those responses, you can stick to ones that actually address what I've said.

    1. Re:Wonderful emphasis by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree that "girlfriend" shouldn't automatically imply computer illiterate. In fact I'm quite certain the word "girlfriend" was used in the title of the article specifically as an eye catching "hook". i.e. Ubuntu and Girlfriend in the same sentence!!?? WTF???

      However, from TFA - "Erin's intelligent, quick to learn and is reasonably well-acquainted with modern technology." The author makes it clear that his girlfriend is somewhat skilled with computers, can perform a range of normal computer tasks and was methodical and persistent in solving the problems she encountered. Aside from the somewhat unfortunate title, TFA makes it clear that she is a "noob" only in so far as she has never used Ubuntu"

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    2. Re:Wonderful emphasis by jrob323 · · Score: 4, Funny
      As a female computer programmer, should people assume my husband is computer illiterate? No? Then why assume his girlfriend is?

      Your husband is a female computer programmer? And he has a girlfriend? I admire your honesty, ma'am. -golf clap-

    3. Re:Wonderful emphasis by elj812 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I definitely agree, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see someone else bring this up, as I was just about to. As a "girlfriend" myself, who regularly does advanced tech support for people all over the world, I have frequently heard other people utter phrases like "so easy a girl could do it". I also object to the practice of headline writers to refer to any man by his occupation ("Local Janitor Loses Home") and any woman by her family relationship ("Local Mom Sues Company"). To my mind, the headline of this story does the same thing... defines the woman by her relationship rather than her occupation.

  26. Re:"She Should Open up a Terminal..." by raw-sewage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ubuntu certainly has come a long way in terms of usability for the average person. But it's still not nice enough for the average person.

    I built a computer for my fiancee and put Ubuntu 7.04 (and later 7.10) on it. She thinks it's just OK. She recently quit her job to go back to school. She wants a laptop, and she insisted that it have Windows XP. I didn't even suggest that she let me put Linux on it. Her current Ubuntu workstation is used for casual tasks that aren't that important: MySpace, YouTube, email, listening to music, etc. Since these tasks aren't of great importance, she's willing to wait for me to fix things that break (and they do break). But I can't expect that of her when she's got a paper to turn in or an online assignment to complete.

    I know there's a huge debate (maybe even a holy war) about whether open source desktops should innovate or just copy Windows. Fortunately there's enough choice that different projects more or less have both avenues covered. But---and it pains me to say this---emulating Windows (pre-Vista Windows anyway) is probably the way to go if converts are really wanted. Even though doing things in Windows isn't always consistent or elegant or even easy, it's familiar. Computer geeks like myself like differences: they are fun to explore and play with and foster ideas. But the rest of the world just wants to get their work done. They don't care what's going on behind the scenes, and they don't have the patience to mess with "restricted drivers", the command line, "Synaptic", or different document formats just to get something done.

    Right now sound isn't working on her Ubuntu machine. All I did was run the update. Looks like a buggy ALSA driver got installed (do a search for "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave"). But for the life of me, I can't find a fix, other than to upgrade to 8.04.

    When I initially set up her computer, there was some version mis-match or something like that with the packaged flash player. The solution was to download a specific version of the .deb file and do a manual dpkg (or apt-get) install. Relatively easy for me, but my why should I expect my fiancee to have to go through all that? Even in the article, the author said it was YouTube's fault for redirecting a browser that doesn't have Flash installed. It doesn't matter---in Windows, when you go to a Flash site without having Flash installed, you get the same behavior: "Click here to install flash", and you're done.

    I installed Skype on her computer; it mostly works, except that the emoticons aren't animated like they are on the Windows client. Not a big deal, but it's just one more thing that makes Linux feel like a downgrade to her. This is one example where the Linux world lacks the polish of the Windows world. Polish may not mean anything to the geekier among us, but it does make the typical person feel like they've take a step backwards.

    She recently got an iPod Shuffle... this sort of works. I forget the name of the application that auto-loads when the iPod is plugged in, but about half the time it crashes. No error message or anything, the whole Window just disappears. Sometimes we'll start sync'ing songs to the iPod, minimize that application, go do something else for a while, and... where did that program go? Looks like we have to start the process all over again.

    There's been a number of other issues, off and on, that require my intervention (i.e. track down the bug or quirk on the web, then install/uninstall/upgrade/downgrade a package, and possibly hack some things on the commandline). But the biggest killer for her is still OpenOffice.org. That program also crashes randomly. (Ironically, one of the crashes was when I was having her make a list of things she liked/didn't like about Ubuntu, and what she needed for a laptop. I can't think of a more simple/straightforward task: start OOWriter, create a bulleted list and save.)

    But the MS Office to Ope