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India Launches 10 Satellites At Once
freakxx writes "India sets a world record after launching 10 satellites in one go using its workhorse, the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV). All the satellites were put into their respective orbits successfully. It was the core-alone version of the launch vehicle weighing 230 tonnes with a payload of 824 kg in total. Two of the satellites were Indian satellites, while the rest were from different countries. By this launch, the ISRO has proven its credibility and it is going to boost India's image in the attractive multi-billion commercial market of satellite launches. This was the 12th successful launch of the PSLV."
Suddenly, I'm worried I won't have to imagine a Beowolf cluster of satellites...
Sorry.
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You ever seen how many people they can pack in a single traincar?
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It's like the Chinese causing earthquakes by all jumping off a chair at the same time: you just need a teeter-totter and 127-million Indians all jumping on the other end at once...
did you not read the article? maybe with this new program they will be able to feed them all.
But what about those 1 billion people (ok, number out of ass, but you get the point) that are starving to death and live in horrible conditions?
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One of the satellites is made by students at Aalborg University.
You can follow the status here:
http://aausatii.space.aau.dk/eng/
because as a world there is enough wealth to end hunger.
Yet we don't because it is not so PC to remove the many reasons for that hunger. We also do not have the stomach for it (no pun intended) because it would cost us lives to remove the leadership that routinely starves their own populations.
India is coming forward rapidly, by advancing space science they advance all their sciences. They also give their people something to strive for - something they can show children that India is and what they can become. Let alone the fact that satellites provide better weather monitoring , can track crops and movement of animals. The possibilities of helping their own are a hundredfold, let alone what they can do for others.
Oh, before you troll India again I must ask, did you buy food out this week? If so, why? There are lots of poor people who could have used it in rice to feed a family... so why didn't you help? Oh, yeah, thats because its easier to be a forum troll and blame others for not doing instead of doing yourself.
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Someone should tell the European Union about this way of launching satellites... then the politicians might stop wasting vast amounts of European taxpayers money on their own vastly over-budget but completely worthless GPS system, using the tracking of road drivers as one excuse for it's existence.
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Isn't this supposed to be the century India passes China as the most populous nation on earth? Those folks are going to need jobs.
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2. What better way to improve living conditions than to become a hub for space technology?
3. I think you may be under some misconceptions about the state of Indian rural life as compared to, for example, the state of Mississippi.
If you're not sure that you know what you're talking about, perhaps you should do some research. If you had, you'd be able to say something like:
India has twice the poverty rate of, for example, the U.S., though that has dropped substantially since their independence and is widely seen as a potential model for a rapid exit from third-world status for other nations.
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It's terrible, isn't it, that all foreign people are starving to death in their billions.
Just as well there aren't any poor people in the USA - and hey, those little adventures in the Middle East have really paid off there, haven't they?
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In seriousness, there are much better ways to phrase what is, essentially, a valid question.
Is crushing a suspect's child's testicles illegal?
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last year. But still, it's impressive. Although I think they're putting them in SSO and not LEO just yet.
Of one day looking up and really noticing that the available amounts of sunlight has been diminishing due to the rampant expansion of tracking and communications satellites being pushed into orbit by all the nations of the earth.
Then we begin to see the outcome as diminished crops, rampant expansion of the polar ice belts, strange drops in cancer rates from excessive sunlight exposure in bikini clad Caucasian women;... And some strange little guy on the global news service saying something about "the sky is falling; the sky is falling!"...
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2) High tech stuff like this creates jobs for academics and skilled workers, who'll be part of India's growing middle class. I believe that creating wealth top-down, by having wealth trickle down from an affluent and productive middle class to the poor, works a hell of a lot better than forever "giving that man a fish to eat".
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
I think this is an argument similar to those put forward by some Americans against NASA's space programme. And I think the reply to both is the same: The respective Governments are not wasting the entire nation's wealth in the development of space technology and exploration - they do that elsewhere!
Most of the above posts make fun of India. Well I must say that this record is quite impessive considering all the fuss the ESA made over their launch of two satellites in a row few years ago.
Few things I have noticed the last years:
Sure they still have a long road ahead (poverty, bureaucracy, nationalism, protectionism,akward traditions, etc.) but they are definitely on the right path.
The United States sets a world record after shooting down 10 satellites in one go...
http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08040701.html
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Stop whining ... everytime someone (esp India) does something worthwhile, all of a sudden poverty is visible and no other accomplishments. Have you done home work on the % of people who live below poverty line in US of A ? Get a grip and stop the rant, for once admire something, even if it is for few seconds.
Indians will eventually solve their problems.
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Is this launch a not so subtle warning that India is capable of MIRV technology?
We seem to have trouble each time we launch a single space shuttle. . . .
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I'm always amazed by this kind of arrogance towards developing nations. This kind of comment is seen any time there's a post about the OLPC project, for example.
Do you really think it would be productive if the government of India spent its entire time trying to directly alleviate hunger and poverty? Don't you think that encouraging industries that provide high-paying jobs is a good part of a long-term strategy to improve people's lives?
More to the point, did it never occur to you as a (presumably) well-educated, technically-inclined person that education, science and technology were part of the solutions to the developing world's problems, not just a distraction?
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I guess India's up to step 2.
Just remember, the technological curve that India's on is a lot sharper than the one the US has had, and the last 8 years of stunting science in the US by the current administration is only going to hurt long-term.
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Too bad it wasn't 8 satellites, then they could have named them: Anoop, Uma, Nabendu, Poonam, Priya, Sandeep, Sashi and Gheet - and then the rocket itself would have been: Apu
On the good side, we don't have to worry about the US military weaponizing space, since the complete ineptitude of conservative ideology will soon leave the US without a means of even getting into space, or the money to put anything there.
Stay the course, fiscal conservatives! You still haven't hit rock bottom!
Why not search the net before blowing hot air out of your ass. http://www.space.com/spacenews/archive06/India_032706.html/
Looks like the Russians are using ISRO's services to launch their satellites.
Look at how they used to pack passengers in Japanese trains in 1991 Video of Japanese train in 1991!!
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The Delfi-C3 sat is relying on the Amateur Radio operators around the world to help capture telemetry and forward it to their earth station. Pretty cool, in my book.
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Yeah it's like; every time Ubuntu releases a new version, people asking how is it going to stop US from going to wars :-)
I don't know about their traincars. I just hope it wasn't made in Bang-galore.
If you think that money makes you happier you are very wrong.
After having travel led many countries I can find people in rural India may not have electricity, may not have great roads but definitely they are happier than a lot of us folks.
The simplicity of rural life sometime make me wonder whether what we do is really worthwhile.
With no replacement yet in sight for its Shuttles, which are scheduled to be retired in 2010.
How terribly sad. Thanks, George Bush.
You realize that not all of India lives in poverty right? When foreign nations look at US news, they see guns in schools and that becomes their image of the US. When people travel to India/watch the news, they travel to rural areas to look at what life is like. They don't remember the urban cities, they remember the poor citizens walking back and forth from wells to get water.
Ignorance is another reputation the US has. Stop ruining our image, educate yourself before you start stating vacuous comments.
India has jumped ahead to ventures such as this without constructing an infrastructure for the system. Its not just poverty and being poorly fed, its roads..hospitals..power..water. Of course everyone loves to say we've launched satellites into space. But I'm sure the people of India would rather have food on the table than satellites in the sky.
I just see this coming up on every forum. What people overlook is that India's population >> EUs population, can Europe concieve any (democratic)system working on that scale? "Assuming" the benefits of the space program are restricted to the 'elite' 10%, that number is much greater then the population of France/germany or any other european country.
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*sniff*
Cue the "efficiency experts" strolling through NASA hallways and the subsequent outsourcing of US satellite delivery and deployment.
I read a story about the outsourcing of PREGNANCY to India... Surrogate mothers carrying babies for "working women" who don't have time to be pregnant, but apparently will find the time to nurture and develop a child as a contributing member of society. *rolls eyes*
I wonder if I could outsource my job to some Indian kid for a couple hundred bucks a month and keep cashing my paycheck...
Every time I read a comment like this, I don't know what to say.
Do you know what is the single biggest thing that has helped poor farmers all across India? Please visit http://www.echoupal.com/
It is a website for small farmers. Even for those farmers who don't have Internet, there are kiosks in villages where volunteers explain them and help them use the website.
Using this, the farmers network and help each other solve problems. Single biggest benefit of this has been spotting and eliminating corrupt middlemen who give unfairly low price to farmers and sell it for high price to traders. This one advantage is worth entire effort behind this initiative.
Unfortunately Western media does not find these stories interesting. They love to show poor hungry children begging for food. Then they get to portray the Western world as the noble minded donor.
The truth is even poor people want to work hard and improve their lifestyle. Information technology, Internet, communication infrastructure, is what will give them a chance. It is absolutely right thing if a poor country with a billion hungry people launches satellites. It is better than a rich country launching wars.
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I can't really think of anytime in history where wealth has been built from the bottom up!
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I see your point, but surely you realize that postponing progress will not cure any problems in India or anywhere else. If we in the US had put our space program off until all our citizens were fed, we'd still be on the ground. Ditto everyone else in space. If you feel badly about world hunger, I could suggest a few nice charities you could give to ...
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They were born into that lower caste because they were MS-DOS users in their past lives.
Wasn't Iridium at some point going to launch 12 or 16 at a time before that whole mess fell through?
What ever happened to all those plans for "Internet in the sky" with constellations of hundreds of satellites? Pie in the sky? Guess so.
Sssh! There are Democrats here and it's an election year so they're bound to claim otherwise, as silly as that may be.
I thought the US Air Force had acquired their own launch vehicles once they realized they couldn't rely on the shuttle.
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The Indians have it beat by a mile:
http://taz.de/blogs/wp-inst/wp-content/blogs.dir/44/files/2007/02/043%20overcrowded%20train%20India.jpg
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My understanding is that this vehicle had more than one amateur radio satellite on board, as well.
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Yup, it was only amateur sats they sent at the expense of short term benefits to the poor. Kudos for the technological endeavor. Lets not take this beyond that.
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Everyone's different and its OK. Why is this so hard to understand? In 200 years, everyone in the world would be CHAMERIDIANS anyway. (ref: Peter Russel - sooner or later 1/3rd the population of the world is gonna hump the other 2/3rd).
I guess you should improve your GK about the world's second fastest growing economy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India
I've just come back from 2 weeks living with relatives in Porbandur, Gujarat (the most prosperous state in India according to my cousin :)
Chief Minister Modhi has actually done a pretty good job of improving the state instead of lining his own pockets (as ministers usually do in India)
If he gets elected Prime minister (which is doubtful considering he doesn't cowtow to the US) then I have no doubt that India will become at the very least a "first world" country in the next decade
However, rumours of his sanctioning of the violent backlash against Muslims after the train attack near Ayodhya makes me wonder just what kind of first world country India would become...
I am an Indian. I live in New Delhi. Having a a fair amount of exposure to the business world (2 decades), I have experienced more than my share of arrogance and well, I also have experienced the brilliance of the people from US and Europe. Things are changing, attitudes to Indians are becoming a little more respectful (though we tend to exasperate a lot of people with our casual attitude at times ...)
India had made immense investments in education, science, technology, poverty alleviation schemes and infrastructure etc... though not always wisely, efficiently and hardly ever in ways free from corruption and exploitation by the political-business interest groups,
Thankfully, something still got through to the people and they made the best use of it.
That is the story of India: We are making it despite the government, which much to its dismay (any govt in power, I am happy to say, is discovering this), is finding that it has to give back to the people something, else it gets voted out of power.
Democracy rocks. In India, it may be chaotic, but at the end of the day it works.
I dunno why. :)
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Yeah it's like; every time Ubuntu releases a new version, people asking how is it going to stop US from going to wars :-)
Well you have to understand that the US never actually went to war in Iraq. An undisclosed bug in Windows for Weapons of Mass Destruction for Warmongers broadcast spoofed packets announcing that Osama Bin Balmer had 228 patents on WMDs hidden in Iran. This bug also affected Windows for Warplans which sent a mass broadcast of false attack orders to all of Dick Cheney's Windows Live! friends list after the spell checker altered Iran to Iraq.
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If I were Pakistan I'd be very concerned.
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think maybe you're supposed to notice these things could've been warheads rather than sattelites?
I'm just asking.
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Here's a funny thought:
1. India has nukes. (It also sits on huge reserves of Thorium and has breeder reactors, so it can transform them to uranium or eventually plutonium, as needed.)
2. If you can put an object in orbit, you can make it come down wherever you want it to come down. Or use a smaller rocket and/or a heavier load to make them go ballistic instead of orbitting at all. (For reference, the USSR's space program started the other way around. Someone realized that they had build a rocket so powerful to haul nukes, that it could put a small-ish object in orbit.) Rockets are that interchangeable purpose.
3. Inclined/polar orbits? Always good to have for a nuke, if nothing else, to hit a location that's not near the equator. Plus you might want to go extremely inclined to minimize flight time and thus warning time (I think both the USA and the USSR had most of their nukes aimed at each other over the arctic), or to lob them over international waters and avoid pissing off everyone else in their path.
As a bonus: once you can do polar orbits and big payloads, you can use spy sats.
Now I'm not saying India is necessarily aiming to become an ICBM power. Maybe, maybe not. And they're probably not yet ready to willy-wave internationally about it, in any case. But I'm saying I wouldn't be the least surprised if that was at least one factor in funding that space program.
I still remember seeing the news on TV when they had built their first nuke, and the general euphoria. It was waay back, while they were even poorer than today. Arguably that money could have been better invested in industrializing a little faster. But there were people cheering in the streets that they now have a big destructive weapon. I can see a lot of political capital in the implicit "and now we can lob it at anyone too!" message.
Now I'm not singling India out there. I think they're just... humans, like everyone else. And it's a sad thing that we'd rather have a big stick to threaten the neighbours with, than an extra slice of bread.
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The ignorance of some Slashdot posters is beyond belief. The US had poor people too, when it launched the first Apollo mission. It still does today, when it's spending on national security is at least twice that of any other nation. Does this mean that it should bring technological advancement to a halt to feed the poor?? The government's job is to to set the country's direction. This creates jobs, creates investment, and eventually leads to better conditions for its citizens. It is not the government's job to make sure you've got food on the table - that responsibility is yours. We have a long way to go - but the only way to get there is by giving the people a sense of empowerment, by making them believe in their country and themselves.
That's sad. My Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle goes up to 11.....satellites.
The laws of probability forbid it!
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As someone who has traveled through India and the US, this statistic on poverty is totally contrived and not reflective of reality, despite what you might find on wikipedia.
Poverty in the US may mean you are with out health care and/or living in a trailer park and driving a beat up car.
Poverty in India generally means you are dying of starvation, have no running water, no house, are illiterate, and work for $2/day if you're lucky.
This being said, India is growing at an incredible rate and shows incredible promise.
Dude, you have to look at facts. not all one billion are under poverty. 400 million are middle class. 4 out top 10 billionaires are from India. If you don't know facts don't waste time writing..
http://www.space.com/spacenews/archive06/India_032706.html
Fixed that for ya
oh yeah people may be starving in India and those comparison with DEVELOPED nations do look cool.
but why not do some comparisons like TEEN pregnancy and crap like that. surely that also looks cool with the USA topping the teen pregnancy charts. eh?
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Feed 1 billion people for a day, they will hunger tomorrow. Teach them techs, let them take over comp-sci, techs, and many other sector, and you will be the one starving tomorrow, while they will be starving less, and for more than a day.
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This is different than the US how ?
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Actually, the (US Federal) Government's job is outlined in the Constitution and has nothing to do with anything you wrote. What the Government has chosen to do, however, is something else again.
The human female reaches reproductive maturity at age 12, before the teenage years. So what's wrong about teen pregnancies?
What's better for eliminating poverty, fighting wars or launching commercial satellites?
Space is big. Really, really big. Satellites are small. I'm not really sure how many we have in orbit, but it was ~4000 10 years ago, and who knows how many now but we're still talking about a tiny fraction of a percent coverage.
Now the greenhouse effect is always at a tipping point since most radiation is held in or out by water vapor, which is why a CO2 increase will throw things off balance - I think you are implying that satellites will do the same thing. They will, just let me know when we have billions of tons of them (hint: that's decades away)
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Yet we don't because it is not so PC to remove the many reasons for that hunger. I know, it is hard to persuade them to eat the sacred cow. My advice, try A1.
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Listen to all this "poverty" stuff about.
You'll think everyone in the "good: ol' USA is a millionaire sipping cocktails by the pool.
Instead what we have are a bunch of know-nothings working their asses off at the 7-11 to pay for an apartment shared with 4 others -yes, you guessed it - flipping burgers for minimum and chasing the American dream- ever think about why it's called a "dream"?
Real wages in the US has gone down by 50% while GDP has went up by 30%.Of course the average joe can't be blamed for not knowing this. You have to concentrate on jacking up that minimum, and chasing mexies at the border, and keeping on that treadmill to nowhere, else they'll join the 30 million homeless, in this land of the rich and famous, and the "free"-if you close your eyes and pretend the patriot act is not there.
Wake up and smell the chemical coffee, folks.
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Please don't tell me you're that naive. While strictly in terms of health teen pregnancy may be fine but you have to consider the social aspects. The mother will probably drop out of school so there goes any chance of a decent job. It's a very stressful thing, especially when the fathers tend to leave, for someone so young and the upbringing of the child will undoubtedly suffer. Increase rate of suicide compared to other teenagers. There's a bunch of other problems too. Just type teenage pregnancy into google.
I did find lots of people starving to death, but I couldn't help notice that those people were happier than "well-to-do" North Americans. They laugh and cry from their heart. They don't wake up in the morning and start worrying about mortgage, bills, credit history, car insurance, gas prices, getting laid etc. They don't need caffeine to start their day and I saw them snoring on the curb after a hard days's labour.
I'm not a nationalist. I just believe that a nation being poor or rich is not as big a deal as we might think it is. I just wanted to share this feeling with other readers.
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Well, the Russians had launched 13 satellites in one go last year with a total payload of 300 Kg. around, but the attempt had failed as it is reported at BBC-Hindi (http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/science/story/2008/04/080428_pslv_launch.shtml).
I think India is setting a perfect model of how to leap-frog a large number of people from abject poverty to comfortable lives - through a very judicious mixture of socialism to help the most needy and investing in advanced technology to reap it's longer term benefits.
Bless you Sir and know that there are at least some people around who realize India is a truly marvelous nation (and I would add "not just recently" but that's a slightly different topic).
Those who do not see India as pretty much an equal are either ignorant of India or ignorant of the history of their own country. Likely they're blindsided by the fact that the industrial revolution started long ago however that matters little as the kind of general affluence the so-called industrialized nations now have were anything but common before the second world war (and some recently freed European countries are just now beginning to reach the same level across the general population).
As for democracy it's always somewhat chaotic and that's often part of what makes it better ^_^
Kind regards,
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P.S. I let Americans proclaim without debate that the US is the greatest democracy on Earth, it's ok with me and they have a point, but India is without a doubt the biggest democracy on Earth ^_^ (at least until we should be so lucky as to add China to such a classification, but perhaps even after).
P.P.S. And even though I'm not a citizen of either it makes me happy that US-India relations have become much better recently, long overdue in my opinion.
Do you know what is the single biggest thing that has helped poor farmers all across India? Please visit http://www.echoupal.com/
It is a website for small farmers. Even for those farmers who don't have Internet, there are kiosks in villages where volunteers explain them and help them use the website.
Using this, the farmers network and help each other solve problems. Single biggest benefit of this has been spotting and eliminating corrupt middlemen who give unfairly low price to farmers and sell it for high price to traders. This one advantage is worth entire effort behind this initiative.
Unfortunately Western media does not find these stories interesting. They love to show poor hungry children begging for food. Then they get to portray the Western world as the noble minded donor.
The truth is even poor people want to work hard and improve their lifestyle. Information technology, Internet, communication infrastructure, is what will give them a chance. It is absolutely right thing if a poor country with a billion hungry people launches satellites. It is better than a rich country launching wars. But what about those 1 billion people (ok, number out of ass, but you get the point) that are starving to death and live in horrible conditions? Every time I read a comment like this, I don't know what to say.
Do you know what is the single biggest thing that has helped poor farmers all across India? Please visit http://www.echoupal.com/
It is a website for small farmers. Even for those farmers who don't have Internet, there are kiosks in villages where volunteers explain them and help them use the website.
Using this, the farmers network and help each other solve problems. Single biggest benefit of this has been spotting and eliminating corrupt middlemen who give unfairly low price to farmers and sell it for high price to traders. This one advantage is worth entire effort behind this initiative.
Unfortunately Western media does not find these stories interesting. They love to show poor hungry children begging for food. Then they get to portray the Western world as the noble minded donor.
The truth is even poor people want to work hard and improve their lifestyle. Information technology, Internet, communication infrastructure, is what will give them a chance. It is absolutely right thing if a poor country with a billion hungry people launches satellites. It is better than a rich country launching wars. India has done a fantastic thing....
congrats tot he scientists and Engineers of India for achieving it....
One of the sat is dedicated for third world countries I think...
Great...
this from a launch vehicle designed to carry a maximum of three satellites internally (the other seven were sitting on the roof).
Yet we don't because it is not so PC to remove the many reasons for that hunger. We also do not have the stomach for it (no pun intended) because it would cost us lives to remove the leadership that routinely starves their own populations.
India is coming forward rapidly, by advancing space science they advance all their sciences. They also give their people something to strive for - something they can show children that India is and what they can become. Let alone the fact that satellites provide better weather monitoring , can track crops and movement of animals. The possibilities of helping their own are a hundredfold, let alone what they can do for others.
Oh, before you troll India again I must ask, did you buy food out this week? If so, why? There are lots of poor people who could have used it in rice to feed a family... so why didn't you help? Oh, yeah, thats because its easier to be a forum troll and blame others for not doing instead of doing yourself. because as a world there is enough wealth to end hunger.
Yet we don't because it is not so PC to remove the many reasons for that hunger. We also do not have the stomach for it (no pun intended) because it would cost us lives to remove the leadership that routinely starves their own populations.
India is coming forward rapidly, by advancing space science they advance all their sciences. They also give their people something to strive for - something they can show children that India is and what they can become. Let alone the fact that satellites provide better weather monitoring , can track crops and movement of animals. The possibilities of helping their own are a hundredfold, let alone what they can do for others.
Oh, before you troll India again I must ask, did you buy food out this week? If so, why? There are lots of poor people who could have used it in rice to feed a family... so why didn't you help? Oh, yeah, thats because its easier to be a forum troll and blame others for not doing instead of doing yourself. because as a world there is enough wealth to end hunger.
Yet we don't because it is not so PC to remove the many reasons for that hunger. We also do not have the stomach for it (no pun intended) because it would cost us lives to remove the leadership that routinely starves their own populations.
India is coming forward rapidly, by advancing space science they advance all their sciences. They also give their people something to strive for - something they can show children that India is and what they can become. Let alone the fact that satellites provide better weather monitoring , can track crops and movement of animals. The possibilities of helping their own are a hundredfold, let alone what they can do for others.
Oh, before you troll India again I must ask, did you buy food out this week? If so, why? There are lots of poor people who could have used it in rice to feed a family... so why didn't you help? Oh, yeah, thats because its easier to be a forum troll and blame others for not doing instead of doing yourself. I cant waste my time in signing up...
i just want you people to know that you can only clap at your side success but you cant others succeeding. thts you all are mocking indias brave attempt.there are other developed nation having similar capabilities but they have never tried to attempt such mission.
and what are you proud now India is driving world technology. we are ahead in software,outsourcing,marketing.40% of nasa scientist are indian,35% of Microsoft employee are indian,30% of ibm employee are indian.
you cant have such figures any where else now i think you need to rethink.
Please note that, according to the above wiki page that you linked to, "A 2007 report by the state-run National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector (NCEUS) found that 70% of Indians, or 800 million people, lived on less than 20 rupees per day[67] with most working in 'informal labour sector with no job or social security, living in abject poverty.'"
Every country has different poverty lines and just because one quarter of two different country's population is below the poverty line, does not mean that that proportion of the population lives in similar circumstances.
Wrong, it is because the men have young wives that can't (or rather don't know that they can) divorce them that makes rural Indians happy. Women's rights makes men unhappy slaves.
There's nothing wrong with pregnant teenagers if they are married (for life, IE the girls CANNOT DIVORCE and do not have rights) to an older man.
For all those who argue about money being wasted on satellite launches by India:
1. ISRO earned $0.6 million when PSLV-C9 put eight foreign nano satellites in orbit. http://www.hindu.com/2008/04/29/stories/2008042960551000.htm
2. It's a profitable business - for every $1 spent on the space programme the return has been $2. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7374714.stm Considering these launches as purely commercial ventures, they are profitable and self sustaining. Who wouldn't want to invest in a business with 200% returns? I know I would
How do you know what I did and what I did not this week to help those people?
./...the epitome of justice, the American way. You get modded 5, insightful, because you reversed the question and asked me what I've done for the poor, while I ask the same question not to you, but to those people that throw their money away for 'space' (as if a few 100 km above the Earth's surface is actually space), and I get modded troll, -1.
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It's the syndrome of guilt, I can understand that...
Implementing and improving satellite technology will not result directly to improving the economy and the social state of the poor people, for the simple reasons that the benefits are not distributed to the people. The benefits go to the private corporations that are behind the technologies, the government that gets paid for launching satellites and those that use the satellites. The common folks have nothing to gain from it, even if the weather is monitored and crops are improved.
Anything else out of yer arse???
No, no and no. Economic development is the result of the distribution of wealth, not the result of advanced technological programs. I am all for space exploration and I back NASA and ESA up, because they have solved a big percentage of the problems of their people (although both USA and Europe are in decline)...but India? there is a large percentage of the population that still live in great poverty. Instead of throwing the money to space, they could have improved the social infrastructure, build better roads, schools and hospitals, and those things would be much more beneficial to Indians than launching satellites.
The rooting out of middlemen is the job of the government, it should not be the job of the people. In an organized society, it's the State that creates and enforces the laws about competitive practices and monopolies. What you say is like if Microsoft's anti-competitive practices where hunted by the people themselves and not the authorities.
The reason such cases exist in India and in other countries (middlemen that buy products in very low prices and sell them in very high practices) is because of the lack of any sort of organized checking on what goes about in the markets. It only shows how disorganized the Indian government is. That technology helped solve the problem does not make the issue go away.