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Iron Sky Trailer
John Buckman from Magnatune clues us that the trailer for Iron Sky is available. We've been following the production for some time, as these are the same guys who brought us Star Wreck, the most successful feature-length Internet-distributed film of all time. That film was made by 3,000 people, has been downloaded 8 million times, is under a Creative Commons by-nd-nc license, and made good money both through DVD sales and through an eventual deal with Universal. Iron Sky is being made using Wreck-a-Movie — a collaborative film-making web site (also Creative Commons based) that grew out of the Star Wreck experience."
First, the movie tagline: "In 1945, the Nazis went to the moon. In 2018, they're coming back."
This reminded me of an old Cinemaware game called "Rocket Ranger", where the Nazis obtained alien technology that they could use to conquer the world. Rocket Ranger had to stop their plans, and go to the moon to dismantle their base.
In any case, the trailer looks great. I think I'm going to watch this movie.
It's Nazis... IN SPACE! Twice as evil as regular Nazis, but with low gravity induced bone degradation!
I, for on, welcome our new space nazi overlords... actually, they're not exactly new, they're the same as the old nazi overlords, but with more tinfoil
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Looking at the trailer, I couldn't quite figure out if they are going for a dark, true sci-fi kind of work, or if it will be a spoof/comedy.
The bird scene at the end of the trailer may give a clue here...but otherwise...am I being dense? (Note to self, never ask this rhetorically on Slashdot...)
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the dark side of the moon?
This space available.
We'll go see Iron Man already!
I honestly can't tell either. Might it be both?
Mars, God of War is more suiting to space Nazis, not emo chick music. Whoever made that choice of music should be sent to a concentration camp.
Make that Bringer of War, but God sounds more brutal.
Just to clarify: the video released is just a teaser.
Obviously we can't honestly compare downloads to seats in theaters.
But lets just say (using RIAA/MPAA math) those 8 million downloads were 8 million buts at seats for $7-$9 a pop. That'd be $56-$72 million in box office receipts.
That compares very favorably to any number of successful indie releases, let alone bombs. Disney (to single out one studio) since 2000 would, in retrospect, have been happy with this since their marketing muscle could have easily doubled these speculative receipts.
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
The movie is supposed to be a tongue in cheek comedy. It's semi-serious in its premise, but is able to use humor to gloss over the various suspension of disbelief problems that arise with the (rather outlandish) plot. Should make for an interesting film once it's released. :-)
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So it's either a spoof or just really bad
Not only was the music track in the teaser desperately dull, it had nothing to do with the visuals. Lame.
I like a good space Nazis communal movie as well as anyone else but don't forget to tell a story!
After growing up on the Moon I can see them try to step out of their ships and fall flat on their faces. The tag line should probably be "I've fallen and I can't get up". I doubt the master race could take on an 8 year old with a Nerf Bat.
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This might make a good cheezy video game, but I can't imagine sitting through 2 hours of youtube quality acting. Check out the preview for the other film these guys created "star wreck." It looks like a tediously bad fan comedy.
The trailer might look kind of impressive, but from the website:
"At the moment, the team is finalizing the script"
In other words, the trailer has no relation to the final product in quality... and when they actually have to find live action "actors" to do the script... well...
I'm not too optimistic.
The biggest complaints about their zero-budget movie Star Wreck were the script and the acting. This time I'm sure it's better as they have an awarded writer (Johanna Sinisalo) doing the script (2 years already, since they announced the movie) They will also use real hired actors instead of amateurs.
But they do! Exhaust gases can carry sound waves and if the microfone is suitably located we can hear the engine. But don't ask me where those gases are coming from ;)
You don't know what you don't know.
I can guarantee that trailer wouldn't get one butt into a seat, let alone 8 million. I think the component of the MPAA math you're neglecting is the capacity for Hollywood to put together a good trailer, despite what they're shilling. If this trailer is any indication as to how appealing you can make Star Wreck look in a trailer, then you should add a *0 to your equation.
Whitey On The Moon
Oh shush they just added an atmosphere to the moon :p
It's awful - not awe-full, which might mean something filled to the brim with awesome-ness.
Your friendly neighbourhood english nazi, reporting from the moon.
Why is this not a regular film in movie theatres? Maybe it is becase the establishment has kept it secret. Perhaps the truth is being revealed as the world is starting to think that Americans landing on the moon was disinform the fact that the Third Reich beat us to it.
Come to think of in, in terms of real life, why the hell did we elect a distant relative of Adolf Hitler to be the 41st and 43rd Presidents of the United States?
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This is totally going to make up for Fallout 3. :`(
How about a moon city under the transparent dome ?
Personally, the bird, or the whole Nazis on the moon thing tipped me off that this might not be a documentary.
Seriously. Every single decent sci-fi film/show/short that I've ever seen apart from 2001 has ignored the sound propagation issue.
And even at that, although 2001 was a work of art in its own right, it's a damn tedious film to watch in one sitting.
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
Firefly actually did too... I remember noticing that in the first episode.
Serenity did until the final aerial battle; I've heard claims that they just couldn't stand to do it without sound (for the general audience's sake) so they made it take place in "upper atmosphere" or something like that. I don't know.
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Anyone know what language this is being filmed in?
How can you "make good money" on an "NC" (non-commercial license?
Who do I sue?
HAL.
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I always thought the final battle was in the upper atmosphere, as the firefly side engines are used, not the rear "for space" engine.
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ever used an A.M. radio near a gasoline internal combustion engine? the r.f.i generated by the ignition system pretty much sounds like engine sound through air.
maybe the astronaut-cameraman (i know it's CG) inadvertently recorded the rf interference.
I was kind of hoping it wouldn't be a "comedy", but instead a situation where they were cleverly taking old science-fiction ideas and applying them as though they were still considered possible.
You know, sort of like Fallout or Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. I mean, I guess Fallout had a comedic element, but it wasn't exactly a "spoof".
Well technically, if you powered the bike with compressed air to push a piston in the engin then you would here a bike like noise if you sat on it as the vibrations would travel though your body.
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The US style yellow line on the road were hang point for me. Is the space Nazi moon highway really that busy that they need to stop overtaking?
What if Tetris was invented by Nazis?
... who completely loved that short trailer?
I mean, it's great that it's released under Creative Commons and stuff, but, unlike previous efforts (which were damn good BTW), this one has me completely psyched. The look and feel, the theme, storyline... it reminds me of one of those old campy sci-fi flicks.
I can't wait for the release!
I loved Sky Captain, and this feels like its cut from the same cloth.
Hopefully it does well, and spurs more crazy alternative history films.
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
I for one believe that the Nazi's did have a secret Antarctic base, and developed the core "UFO" technology which project Paperclip imported into the USA after the war. If Germans are aliens, then, yeah, we stole "alien" technology to make the American "UFOs". Germany was "this" close to world domination. And it would have worked, too - if it hadn't been for those pesky Yanks. Oh, and Admiral Byrd's invasion of Antarctica after the war. Ahah! He's the pidgeon!
But Nazi's on the moon? That's just silly. Obviously a disinformation campaign to hide the truth.
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Anyone try to watch Star Wrek and thought it was a pile of crap? I couldn't bear with the first episode. It reminded me of a Soft Core Porn plot in space without the T&A.
The pigeon shitting on the Nazi Eagle "might" give a clue? Ya think?
The presentation was amazing. I can't wait to watch this flick!
This is what happens, when films stop being a business and become art again.
They're using their grammar skills there.
I think Planetes was a bit better in this regard. IIRC they tried to stick to a model where you could only hear sounds from within a vessel or suit, but in general, non-propagation was observed.
It was pretty realistic in other respects though. In the DVD extras for the English version, they even got a couple of scientists from NASA's Orbital Debris Program Office to say as much (!), with the exception that it seemed unlikely that it would be practical to generate the kind of propulsion required to do debris recovery as depicted in the anime.
Anyway, it's good scifi.
Score one for "Akira," then. I was pleasantly surprised when Tetsuo flew up and destroyed an orbiting laser... and nothing could be heard.
You're worried about sound? Check out what happens to light in the moon-man's visor. Reflections are backwards! Unless Nazis salute with their left arms in 2018.
Yikes, nevermind. The reflection is correct.
What else is there to a movie, really, other than a good script and acting? As many have mentioned, all the SFX in the world aren't going to make a turd shine.
That being said, I've watched the original, and while the acting is obviously quite amateur in places, and the script a bit corny, it all fits together nicely. Certainly when you consider the origins of the movie, it does quite well. I'd still say the acting was better than Mannikan Skywalker, and the script better than "The Hulk" or many other movies out there.
Someone better warn the Jews in space. You know, the ones up there, patrolling the skies, defending the Hebrew race.
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And 2001 was the greatest SF movie ever made.
Anyway, you may recall another little film, Alien? "In space, no one can hear you scream".
It has Udo Kier in it.
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I'm glad to hear that this is supposed to be tongue in cheek. I'd hate to think that they were propagating the "dark side of the moon" myth from Space 1999 accidentally. Or maybe it's a reference to the Pink Floyd album?
I remember the original commentary about Space 1999 that there is no dark side of the moon. There's a far side of the moon, but if nuclear fuel dumps exploded there it would drive the moon straight at the earth.
Wake up - the future is arriving faster than you think.
I almost stopped watching when I saw the title card that said "Dark side of the moon." Pink Floyd be damned, there IS no side of the moon that is permanently dark. What there is is a FAR side of the moon. Duh.
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Apparently there are conspiracy theories claiming Nazis went to the moon for real (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_moon_base) Oh well..
Mythobeast, I think you've missed the symbol of the Black Sun (Schwarze Sonne) appearing on the moon. You should at least 2 or more appearing in the 'trailer'.
.. because of their motto .. "Uns geht die sonne nicht unter" ({our} sun will never go down)
The dark side of the moon is presumably a reference to the cultus of the Black Son / Schwarze Sonne
Even on the dark side of the moon, so phun intended
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Renate finds Earth not to be the pit of depravity Klaus had described. Suddenly, bombing this world back to the stone age doesn't seem like a good idea at all. President Jenna Bush? No, it really would be time to bomb us back to the stone age.
This reminds me of a great short story by David Drake. A US senator is spending the weekend out at his cabin when the lights flighte and an eerie whirling noise comes from outside. There's a bleedin' flying saucer coming down. The hatch opens and out comes an SS officer complete with armband. The war was over 30 years ago, the senator had fought against the bastards, and now here's one with a flying saucer! The SS officer tells him that the Third Reich wants to open diplomatic ties with the US. There's no way no will be taken for an answer. He's taken onboard the saucer and sees what Nazi super-science is capable of. He discovers that the Nazis had started construction on an antarctic base before the war and moved their super-weapon research there as things got hot on the continent. As the reich was crumbling, certain senior staff were evacuated and Germany allowed to fall to make a convincing cover for the escape. The saucer tech was perfected and the Nazis proceeded to build a moonbase. The only problem, the Russians had captured some of the same technology. Not wanting the US to find out about it, the Russians said nothing, conducting a clandestine war against the Germans long after we thought the war was over. To make matters worse, as they arrive at the antarctic base, it disappears in a fireball. Did the Russians nuke it? No, there's the enemy saucer. It looks....alien. The Germans engage and destroy it. The senator sees the bodies tumbling out and they look like nothing that's ever been born on this world. "Jesus Christ, you nazi bastards weren't content with starting a world war, you got us into an interstellar war, too!" And that's why they wanted to open ties with the Americans, because the aliens were whittling away the Germans one saucer at a time and they couldn't turn to the Russians. The US industrial base could adopt the nazi technology and fill the skies with fighting saucers.
I tell you what, that would make one hell of a premise for a larger story.
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Seriously. Every single decent sci-fi film/show/short that I've ever seen apart from 2001 has ignored the sound propagation issue.
I think that started with Star Trek. They tried doing the credit fly-by with no sound and it felt empty and looked like animated toys. So they added sound and it was more gut-satisfying (despite the inaccuracy).
(This led to the Trekkie joke: "Why does the Enterprise go 'whoosh' when it flies by in vacuum?" "Because somebody left the vacuum cleaner running."
Of course this, and other dramatic elements, led to endless opportunities for reverse-engineering an explanation of why something worked as depicted.
For starters, explosions really WOULD go "bang" in space - because of the gas released. Physics would be different: Speed of the gas expansion in space (mainly a function of its original temperature and pressure divided by molecular weight) rather than speed of sound in a gas (strictly proportional to temperature divided by molecular weight). There'd be prompt echoes from the gas bouncing off debris but no long-term rumble from terrain reflections. However the wavefront would defocus rapidly due to the expansion of the gas, rather than remaining coherent as it does when propagating in a medium. Etc.
Why does a near-miss with a photon torpedo go "bang" and throw people around? I suggest this: Gravity on the ship is generated. It's also multi-directional and under continuous control, to serve as compensation for the impulse engines and keep the crew from being smeared across the rear bulkhead. Photon torpedoes create enough of an electromagnetic pulse to foul the acceleration compensation, causing the gravity to vibrate the walls and maybe throw the crew around in a close one. Star fleet engineers designed enough shielding to keep this effect from damaging the ship and crew when the torpedo alone wasn't close enough to make it a moot point, but stopped there.
So "whoosh" on flyby: Reaction motor exhausts, like explosions, would produce transient gas envelopes that would rattle hulls and produce sound by vibrating the hull (though only once you hit their "wake"). But that's not a typical Star Trek flyby. Two suggestions for that:
1) Warp engines create an electromagnetic or gravitational "wake" that either rattles the hull directly or does the same trick with the artificial gravity as a photon-torpedo near-miss.
2) It's a user-interface feature: Instruments detect whatever signature a passing ship leaves and present it to the crew as a sound. For intuitive ease-of-use it should "sound like it ought to": Bigger ships make a lower pitch, closer passage is louder, fake doppler-shift to indicate relative heading, signals characteristic of the type of ship are encoded as timber, etc. So exactly the same esthetics that drive the dramatic sound-effect also drive the user-interface design, leading to the credit flyby visual and sound matching what would be presented on the bridge of an observing craft.
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Come to think of in, in terms of real life, why the hell did we elect a distant relative of Adolf Hitler to be the 41st and 43rd Presidents of the United States?
For the same reason the Brits had a part american indian as their prime minister during WWII. A lot of people were convinced he was a good choice for the job.
This is the United States. No nobles here. Your ancestors' political connections, wealth, and historic behavior don't matter when it comes to what offices YOU get to hold. (Or at least that's the official ideal.)
In particular: The Constitution specifically forbids "Corruption of Blood": Punishment for crimes - even making war on the US and massive genocide - stops with the person who committed those acts. It does NOT get applied to the rest of the family and descendants yet unborn.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Renate is to travel to Earth on a secret mission with her fiance, the handsome and high-ranking Klaus, a true Nazi down to his jackboots. Their mission: to assassinate the president of the United States, Jenna Bush.
I think that answers your question.
Clearly it's a documentary!
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You noticed it, too?
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I recall Babylon 5 taking a middle ground. For most of the shots, there was the sound in space unless they were doing the shot from specifically inside a room. Then you only heard the noises that the characters could hear. Two scenes I recall the most that followed this were the episode that centred on the two maintenance techs in the fifth season, where they were watching the battle from an observation deck, and in the made-for-TV movie Thirdspace, where Sheridan passes through the battle in a vacuum suit, and all you can hear is his breathing despite the explosions and shots all around him.
Granted, my memory is spotty, so it may be that the producers only adopted this later in the series, but it was still something that stood out in my memory, along with the Asteroids-like inertia instead of the more common fighter-plane style.
The relaunched Battlestar Galactica also tried to go in this direction, or at least it was the producers' original intent to reduce the sounds to an "in the cockpit" feeling, and instead use staccatos in the soundtrack more to fudge. I regret not seeing it in a long time, so I do not know how true they stayed to it.
So there is a trend amongst directors and producers to use more "realistic" sound, but often the studios tell them they can't do it because it's "too risky". With Iron Sky, though, I think it's the nod to the serials and the parody that played a role here, so it's in a different class.
Yeah, I know what you mean. A film about Nazis setting up a moon base in 1945, it's very hard to tell if it's intended to be a comedy.