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Fedora 9 (Sulphur) Released
BrianGKUAC writes "Fedora 9 has been released as of 10 AM Eastern Time this morning. Release notes can be found here. Some of the more interesting new features include a new package management system, which can be used as an alternative to pup and pirut, known as PackageKit. This release also includes GNOME 2.22 and/or KDE 4.0.3, and Firefox 3 beta 5. Overall, there are a lot of improvements worth looking at, and the Bittorrent seeds are already feeding the release fairly effectively."
What smell is that? :p
- Uses seeding with openssl
PackageKit is actually a just a tool which sits on top of yum and does not replace it. It does replace pup and pirut though.
See PackageKit site of the release notes.
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PackageKit is only a front-end over yum (or any other backend), it does not replace it.
1. Fedora is not a production OS
2. FF3 is due out in the near future, so F9 will have the current release then, as opposed to the old version 2.
download pegged at 892KBps. An hour to snatch the DVD ISO!
SEED, you bums! SEED!
This is sure to be a stinker of a release...
Sorry couldn't resist...
*waits for -1 mod points*
I'm a sysadmin and use KDE all day long, with Konsole as my terminal. I tried the preview release of Fedora 9 and found
that the new Konsole - has less features!
The buttons for quickly closing/opening a tab are gone. Right-clicking on tabs is gone. The ability to send input to all tabs
is completely gone, not even accessible through menus.
These are features I use every day while working on servers. KDE4 adds a lot of eyecandy (and a Vista-style 'start menu' - ick),
but why remove useful functionality?
Firefox 3 is set to be released in June, the next Fedora release will be much later, the same decision was made with Ubuntu Hardy which is a LTS release so it would make some sense to have the latest browser version as it's not too far from the actual release date for FF3. but assuming you don't like FF3, there is nothing stopping you from installing FF2 instead, your FF profile works fine on both anyway.
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
preupgrade also 'works' if you want to skip the usual download iso, burn image to DVD, upgrade from DVD scheme.
I say 'works' because mine is in process and not completed yet. So I don't know if I'll have a Fedora 9 box when it's done, or a mangled Fedora 8 box.
I can live with the beta Firefox, but the fact that they are using a beta XORG has put a kink in my plans to upgrade to F9 because NVidia doesn't have drivers ready. I'm anxiously awaiting this situation to be resolved. In the meantime I'll stick with F8 which is very stable at the moment.
"AssTard", you make an excellent point! Thank you for your input!
I have the same printer. You got off easy, believe me. When I tried to use the Samsung software, it changed all the permissions of my root partition, and I had to re-install. I had followed the instructions, too.
What I did the SECOND time is, I threw away the Samsung disk and went into the printer management tool. I added a new printer, but instead of a 2510, I used one of the older ones; a 2250, I think. That worked perfectly, and I was able to use the printer without further incident.
This one is Samsung's fault, not Fedora's. Be fair.
This was the feature I was waiting for, was hoping to hear more about it when Fedora 9 was released.
The article (or snippit) says Fedora 9 has kernel based mode setting..
http://www.osnews.com/story/19661/A_Preview_of_Kernel-Based_Mode-Setting
Anyone test it yet?
Fedora 9 is also one of the first linux distributions (along with Ubuntu) to include OpenJDK. Fedora also includes Netbeans.
They moved from IcedTea, which was based on the upcoming java7 to the stable java6 release. Looks like some of the stuff in IncedTea made it into OpenJDK 6.
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What I would really like to be able to do is to build my own custom spin of Fedora 9 from within my Fedora 8 setup. It's seems wasteful to have to install a new distribution before I can build a custom spin of it. There doesn't seem to be a reason that they couldn't publish sufficient updates to 8 to allow this to work. Basically, it should only require installing new comps files and anaconda packages on 8 with maybe updates to Revisor. Everything else gets pulled off of the internet.
I have the same printer (as you say, it's touted for having good Linux support) and followed the instructions in a Gentoo forum thread to ignore the driver CD and just use CUPS. That worked perfectly, FWIW. (Of course, getting it supported by my Mac took maybe 5 seconds, but so it goes...)
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
Check here http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-2510
also, do an lsusb to ensure the printer appears
It is not Fedora's fault that Samsung has such crappy driver support.
You never even mentioned if you tried another distribution. Did you? Did you determine whether it's a Fedora issue or a CUPS issue? Did you file bug reports?
Anyone who complains about Linux problems but does not fill out bug reports is just an asshat as far as I am concerned. You are willing to leech from the efforts of others but you are not willing to make a contribution when the opportunity is right in front of you. Blah.
This particular printer was also advertised as having OSX driver support, but the driver is not available in the US unless you lie to their web site and tell them you are from Australia. Tell Samsung to get off their butts and make sure their printers work right in Linux AND OSX.
I was wondering what they were trying to say with the Sulphur nickname. It stinks? If mixed with the right elements it blows up?
I currently have LinuxMint on my Dell d830 laptop, but tried bringing up Fedora 8 on it the other day. However, following explicitly the directions for using bcm43xx-fwcutter, using the firmware file that I was using with LinuxMint, it kept telling me that it would not work.
Is 9 going to be any better or what? I have used RH 4.2, 5.0, 5.2, 6.0-CORE and 7.2 in the past, and quite frankly I prefer that setup to the Debian variaty (despite my nickname, RH 5.2 was the most pleasant OS experience I have ever had. I did cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.8 and am quite fond of the *BSDs though).
Its erally a hassle because the apartment that I live at right now gives free wifi, but I don't have hard ethernet to plug into in order to sort things out like I wish I could.
Fedora 9 will not install on certain Samsung hard disks.
If your hard disk has a "/" character in its model name as reported through the ATA interface then Anaconda will fail. The Python error message reads like "ends with '/' and is not just '/'" and the kernel halts.
I have a very standard desktop Dell Optiplex that has one of these hard disks, model number "SAMSUNG HD080HJ/P".
The "/" character kills the installation.
So disappointing yet so simple to have fixed before release.
Kriston
It looks as though the ATI drivers aren't available from livna yet either. I think I'll hold off until they're ready. I like Fedora, but it can be a little too cutting edge sometimes.
...and Linux kernel was replaced by Gnome.
If you open yourself to the foo, You and foo become one.
Why not error on the side of stability then, and ship Firefox 2. For everyone who really needs to have Firefox 3, they are free to install it themselves.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I bought myself a second hand Samsung ML-2510 printer that Samsung touted as "supported" under some Linux kernel version and later. You are not the only person that seems to have trouble with the binary drivers, look here:
http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2510_parallel_with_Samsung_PPD
http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2510
There seems to be some workaround though, so it should work.
Anyway, http://www.openprinting.org/ is a good place to start regarding printing support.
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Fedora 8 had PulseAudio as well. However Fedora 9 seemed to work much better. I have Flash, Sound and Realplayer (i.e. another mozilla plugin) working perfectly in Fedora 9 x86_64. Some notes here: Fedora 9 Guide.
Btw, the "core" has been dropped (FC9 -> F9).
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Why is it so common nowadays for linux distributions to include *BETA* software (as complex as a browser can be) in their releases?
:)
Sure, there can be some heavily tested and simple programs left as beta, but firefox? The web browser is a heavily used and substantial tool these days..
Firefox 3 Beta 5 takes my CPU usage to 100% easily, while firefox 2.x does not.
is it so hard to stick with stable, tested software ? bleeding edge is not always better.
Not to speak of KDE 4.0
Firefox...Sulphur... ...Yup, this release is going to bomb
Because FF3b5 is much more stable than FF2. plus as somebody else pointed out its not a production OS.
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How ironic... BTW - that may be the biggest laugh I ever had on /., which usually vexes me with its insanity and trolls.
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It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
It's actually a complete lie. Fedora ships a lot of new stuff which eventually cross-pollinates into other distros, like PulseAudio and ext4. The idea that nobody cares about Fedora is an example of perception being out of touch with reality - much like your own post.
Me, a personally doesn't give a damn about "buzz", I want a nice solid but modern distro that is free as in free speech, and Fedora is just that.
Btw. next time you bad mouth Red Hat, which seems to be popular though lame attitude among certain people, just remember which Linux vendor who has contributed the most to make Linux what it is today, and how much Red Hat still contributes to core linux technology. And Red Hat has never, ever waivered in its support of Free, OSS software, and eg. released some proprietary closed source software as part of their distros,
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And if Red Hat follows their established pattern, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 will be based on Fedora 9.
Well going to have take the LiveCD for a test drive and see how Fedora 9 is. I also found out the Linux Mint 5.0 Beta 1 is out (here are the screen shots of that system) which I also plan on downloading and testing out.
But currently Firefox 3 is still in Beta, and now they will have to support that. Also, who's to say that Firefox 2 won't be supported in 3 years. Firefox 1.5 is still being supported. For that matter, who's to say that Mozilla will even be supporting Firefox 3 in 3 years?
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I thought the name Sulphur was kind of... lame, so I decided to see what the name was about. The truth is, it was the least bad of all the names voted upon.
The logic behind it is thus:
Some more suggestions
"sulphur"
"mayonaisse"
(like werewolves they react badly with silver)
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-December/msg01194.html
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names
The other options were:
vote_count , name
62 , Sulphur
54 , Bathysphere
43 , Chupacabra
39 , Mayonnaise
32 , Dragicorn
29 , Woodwose
23 , Tourette
13 , Asperger
13 , Barmanou
10 , Chingachgook
6 , Kingsport Town
5 , Marfan
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-January/msg00012.html
One thing which the Ubuntu and Fedora releases show is that having regularly scheduled releases does not always work out for the best. Both have shipped with a primary browser still in beta (FF3 is a big leap ahead, but it still has some issues to be shaken out), and Ubuntu will be doing long-term support for an outdated GCC version which misses out on a lot of improvements while Fedora uses a brand new .0 compiler. Seems like both projects might have had better releases a month or so later.
installed fedora 8 a few weeks ago. guess i'll have to recompile my kernel if it's a new one, not sure since I haven't checked if it is 2.6.24 or not. i guess it's a good thing i'll most likely forget to do it for another month and wait for some new packages to appear.
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Mozilla stopped supporting Firefox 1.5 in May 2007- 7 months after 2.0 was released. I'd imagine support for the 2.0 branch may be a bit longer than that but it certainly wouldn't be more than a year. FF3 may not be supported in 3 years but by the time it isn't getting security updates from Mozilla Hardy Heron will be close to EOL anyway.
Still a bad idea, isn't there still a know bug that totally breaks the Firebug console? Hope no web developers are using it.
While no plans have been announced, I've heard that basing EL 6 on Fedora 9 or even 10 is unlikely. Look for EL 6 to be based on Fedora 11 or 12.
It looks EL 5 will be enjoying a very long lifetime as the platform of choice for EL shops. I'm happy with that.
Sulpher Stinks! Phew
Don't you mean 'output'?
It is a sad fact of life on Slashdot, that thousands of moderators use up all their mod points without having the chance to righteously nail someone for a blatant "Troll" or "Flamebait" comment. How generous of you to sacrifice yourself for their benefit, so that at least a few of these moderators, when their points are finally spent, will be able to look back upon it all, breathe a deep sigh of satisfaction, and reflect, "I've used my time here wisely."
Your Mac uses CUPS. Pop open your Mac and go to http://localhost:631/ and you will see.
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I have it working. It is a bit obtuse, but it works on x86_64.
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins is created. (It will try and install files there but will not create the directory if it is missing.)
You need to install the nsplugin code for both x86_64 and i386. You also need to make sure that the i386 version of pulseaudio gets installed. (yum install pulseaudio.i386)
Before you install flash, make sure
After all that is installed, install the flash-plugin. You also might want to install realplayer and helix at that point as well. (BBC streaming audio gets a lot of use by me.)
Once that is all done, type the following as root:
nspluginscan -v -a -i
That will make wrappers for any needed plugins.
Should work fine after that. (If you have problems with sound, make sure you do not have muted audio on your sound card. (Like PCM.)
Hope that helps.
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Er, Peter, would you like to see my copy of RHL 4.something with a proprietary X server on it? I believe it was something like MetroX. Netscape 4 was also available as part of RHL for a while (looks like at least 6 and 7).
Not saying this to attack RH; their distros are the only ones I ever use.
My wife is jamming away just fine on my Fedora laptop and she is no developer. She has been a Mac user forever and she just picked up my laptop and starting using it instantly. Now she has it all tricked out the way she likes it. She actually likes it better than her Mac except for the lack of Garage Band and iTunes.
Because as Steve Balmer said last year we should be paying M$ if we dare use a Red Hat distro. So we have to wait until they set the price :-(
Ubuntu and Fedora have update managers. Why not ship Firefox 3 through the update manager in June?
I immediately downgraded to FF2 when I installed Hardy for the same reason I always wait a while for new versions of it to mature: none of my extensions from FF2 work in FF3.
Well, the alternative is to make everyone march to some sort of schedule, which not even Microsoft can do.
The idea of Fedora is to push things along. If you are writing software or need the new features, yay!
If you are more happy with stability, CentOS is what you are looking for. Same stuff, but older and more stable.
I haven't had to recompile a kernel in years! What is your problem?
One thing that was always snappy in GNOME was the scrolling in GNOME terminal. The main improvement when working with AA fonts (and most people are these days) iirc came from using OpenGL. As KDE4 has loads of OpenGL candy, is konsole going to take advantage of OpenGL to speed up its rendering?
Sorry, can't help you. I only buy real drives now.
Disable the compatibility check in FF3. It'll make most extensions work. The only one I use that doesn't is del.icio.us, which has a beta for FF3 that works like a charm.
The "-1 Redundant" moderation is ironic :-)
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Well, my first "Troll" moderation.
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No, FC9 Beta was not a production OS.
FC9 final is a production OS.
Production OS != Enterprise OS.
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I see: you had trouble installing a printer that came with wrong instructions and an install CD that didn't work the way it should so Linux itself is bad. Has it occurred to you that the OEM may have given you the wrong instructions, or possibly instructions that only work for some other distro? Nah, it couldn't be...
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Yeah, right. I had so many problems with FF3b5 in Hardy Heron that after a fortnight I chucked out the whole operating system and moved to FreeBSD. I wonder how many people have had problems with the Adobe flash plugin in Hardy and how's it working in F9.
Yeah, cause I'd hate to think AssTard could be dismissed as a creepynut.
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Unstable like hell. Do not use it if you're not planning to help with development. It brought down the whole X server when, for example, the swfdec plug-in crashed (which was often). Basically it felt like any crashing application could crash X along with it. I tried it on a laptop with a X3100.
you have gotta be an newborn Ubuntu baby, welcome...
Fedora 9 kernel on first boot crashes hard. Bunch of errors over three pages long. Fedora 8 worked fine. Anybody else run into this?
My wife also runs Fedora (8) on her laptop. I turned it into a dual-boot XP-Fedora box awhile back, and at first she never touched the Fedora side. Over time, it shifted, and now she's in Fedora 99% of the time (Windows only to update the ol' iPod). She also is in a no way a developer, and still knows little about the CLI and how to use it, but hey, it's a start.
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The changes in NetworkManager are quite nice.
It now picks up EVDO/CDMA cards and will seamlessly connect you to the best medium available on the fly.
It also features a GUI similiar to Windows display properties where you can easily manage multiple monitors and resolutions without the need to run xrandr by hand or fiddle with xorg.conf
Have a squat over at the hobo house.
I second that. Props to RedHat, a company that Gets It. They are a huge contributor to Linux and GNU. I prefer stability (bug fixes!) over cutting edge, so I value RedHat highly. Since yum was included in RHEL5 I've stopped installing Debian on my machines.
:) There's even talk of tighter cooperation between Linux vendors. Where else in industry do you find this except in OSS? Awesome.
If your company uses Linux I suggest you support RedHat or another Linux vendor with your wallet. Discover a bug and RedHat will fix it AND FEED THE FIX BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. You don't have to be a coder to contribute to Linux code.
I'm sorry if I haven't offended anyone
I agree. I've been using Fedora since version 1 and have found it to have a stability that many other distros just can't achieve. I own a production company and we're constantly looking for ways speed up our 3D render time. We recently built a very effective render farm based on Fedora 8, which renders significantly faster than the Windows based systems we were testing on. We also use Fedora to run our mail server, web server, file servers, etc... etc... and have had almost no problems (unless by human error). Sure we come across things that require strange and sometimes extensive workarounds, but thats part of the fun, anyway. Not only is Fedora free like free speech, but also free like free beer and this suites our pocket really well.