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Using Distributed Computing To Thwart Ransomware

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "The folks at Kaspersky labs are turning to distributed computing to factor the RSA key used by the GPcode virus to encrypt people's files and hold them for ransom. There are two 1024-bit RSA keys to break, which should require a network of about 15 million modern computers to spend a year per key factoring them. Unfortunately, there appear to be no vulnerabilities in the virus' use of RSA, unlike some previous cases. Perhaps more interestingly, there's some debate over whether people should bother cracking it. After all, what if they were trying to trick us into factoring the key for a root signing authority? Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk."

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  1. Seems rather futile.. by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely all the have to do is start using a new key every so often, and the task becomes pointless?

    1. Re:Seems rather futile.. by SQLGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Surely all you have to do is make frequent back-ups of your critical data and the virus becomes pointless.

      Hacker - You must pay me $100 or your files will be forever encrypted by my nigh-unbreakable RSA code.
      User - Meh, I just wiped my system of your virus and restored my important files from back-up. Piss off.

      Layne

    2. Re:Seems rather futile.. by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Informative

      As has been pointed out in the past - the people who are most likely to become infected with a ransomware virus are exactly the same people who are least likely to have backups available.

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    3. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good, sometimes there's only one way to learn about why we have backups. After all, they're just as much at risk from hard disk crashes.

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    4. Re:Seems rather futile.. by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As has been pointed out in the past - the people who are most likely to become infected with a ransomware virus are exactly the same people who are least likely to have backups available.

      Back in my youth, I never made regular backups.
      Then I got a virus.
      Since then, I make regular backups.


      As annoying as it seems, sometimes people need to understand first-hand the need for regular, offline backups. Until they have the experience of data-loss, they just won't appreciate what could happen.

    5. Re:Seems rather futile.. by pegr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll assume someone paid the ransom at least once. So what key did they use to decrypt? Do us a favor and post it.

      As for it being a trick to crack a root signing key, would they not have to have the private key to encrypt with to start?

    6. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Sique · · Score: 4, Funny

      So this is another lesson in Computer Security 101: "No one likes Backups, but everyone likes Restore"?

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    7. Re:Seems rather futile.. by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I use Windows because I'm not brain-dead and can keep my machine secure. For those of us who know what we're doing, it doesn't matter what OS we use. For those of us who don't know what we're doing, similarly, it doesn't matter what OS we use: you're only kidding yourself if you think that widespread Linux adoption would result in there not being many/any pwned machines. The user is, and always will be the biggest computer vulnerability.

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    8. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Anonymous+Conrad · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll assume someone paid the ransom at least once. So what key did they use to decrypt? Do us a favor and post it.

      As for it being a trick to crack a root signing key, would they not have to have the private key to encrypt with to start? ... huh?

      It works like this:

      1. Virus generates a random encryption key and encrypts your data with it. Let's call this K.
      2. Virus encrypts the random key with a RSA public key and instructs you to email that, R(K), and your money, to the ransomers.
      3. The ransomers use their RSA private key to decrypt the encrypted random encryption key, R(K), into K.
      4. You use the random encryption key they sold back to you, K, to rescue your data.

      Someone else's decryption key, K', is not useful to you because your data was encrypted with a different random key K. You have an RSA-encrypted copy of your own random key, R(K), because that's what the ransomers need you to send them so they can sell you the decryption key K. We're trying to crack the RSA private key so we can generate K from R(K) without having to pay them money, i.e. sidestep step 3.
    9. Re:Seems rather futile.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I too get frustrated by incompetent users, I think that attitude is a bit harsh. Computers are supposed to have reached the point of being easy to use by laymen, and automatic backup should be part of that.

      Time Machine on MacOS seems to be just about there, all they need to do is bundle an external HDD or offer a free online component for personal docs.

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    10. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So what exactly does a static strap do that just placing your hand on the frame not do? 20 years working with electronics and I've never seen a confirmed static destroyed equipment outside of manufacturing. A few anecdotes like yours, yes, but I've even tested by trying to destroy circuit boards with static. It is something that is extremely important in manufacturing prior to everything being mounted and grounded, not so much afterward.

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    11. Re:Seems rather futile.. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of a story. It's a classic inspirational story, of a storm that washes up a bunch of starfish -- or maybe they're seahorses, or jellyfish, depending on who's telling the story. So there's all these starfish dying on the beach... A kid is walking along the beach, picking them up, one by one, and tossing them back into the ocean. A man watches him do this, and after awhile, walks up and says "You know you're not going to make a difference, right?"

      The kid picks up another starfish, tosses it into the ocean... "I just did to that one."

      Yes, it'd very quickly become pointless in that next time, they'd use a 2048-bit or 4096-bit key, and they'd change it more often. But for the people who've lost data to this thing already, it's never futile if this can get it back.

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    12. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so how does the ram or cpu get grounded. Just because I am now currently at the same static charge as the grounded unit, the ram or cpu may still be at a different charge.

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  2. I've got a better idea by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Encourage people to make backups of their data on disc, tape, or portable harddrives. I know that's a radical idea, but it just might be crazy enough to work.

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    1. Re:I've got a better idea by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think, personally, that human stupidity is a gold mine, and I'm slowly losing any inhibition and cashing in on it.

      Way ahead of you. I went into IT security years ago. It is a gold mine. You can basically sell snakeoil and people will kill each other to buy it from you.

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    2. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a result, I am shortly going to be announcing my new "Remain Safely Stupid, (tm)" product line. We harness the power of human stupidity for profit.

      It will be absolutely nothing more than a box filled with paperwork. After filling out said paperwork, the client is guaranteed paper "rights" to be "free" and "protected" with said freedoms and protections guaranteed by the pieces of paper, and through no action or knowledge of his own. The client thus receives all the benefits without any of the actual risks of actually BEING free, or the hardships of actually BEING safe. Some have derided my product lines as "security theater" or "vaporware" but they are merely upset because I beat them to market with such a brilliant idea.

      Patents pending.

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    3. Re:I've got a better idea by mweather · · Score: 4, Funny

      You backup to the same computer? I don't even backup to the same state!

    4. Re:I've got a better idea by Daimanta · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't even backup to the same planet!

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    5. Re:I've got a better idea by TheRealFixer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Psh... backups? I restore my data from a parallel universe, where I didn't get hit by a virus in the first place.

    6. Re:I've got a better idea by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If we had a backup, wouldn't it be possible to break the encryption using the backed-up data as a crib? Why force the key directly when you know what is in a large chunk of the cyphertext?

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    7. Re:I've got a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't see the allure of backup. This one time I tried backing up my computer, I backed it up all the way, and then it kept shutting off. So I brought it back forward and it runs far cooler now that the fan isn't sealed off by the wall.

    8. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the bankers, the priests and the politicians have already figured out how to turn stupidity into free energy. Witness, for example, the boundlessly stupid as they sign up to fight politicians wars, religionists jihads, to man priests' inquisitions or run on the endless, profitless treadmill of the serf/employee rat race, and witness this set of examples through history. From tithes, to taxes, to "donations" to traffic tickets and drug enforcement, the boundlessly stupid have always eagerly jumped onto the bandwagon of the strong willed and obeyed without a single qualm, always finding quite creative and intelligent ways to justify what it was they were doing... usually via such imaginative excuses such as "just doing my job" or "its the law" or "the priests told me God said it, therefore it must be true" or perhaps "if the nice man on Tee Vee said it, how dare you question it?"

      Man's stupidity is already being harnessed... we're just too caught up in the minutia to notice it.

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    9. Re:I've got a better idea by evanbd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Known plaintext attacks are a mainstay of cryptanalysis. They tend to be more powerful than other attacks, but they still don't help much. Factoring is the best known technique for RSA, even given known plaintext or chosen plaintext.

    10. Re:I've got a better idea by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what you're saying is that anyone who lives in any fashion beyond subsistence farming is stupid?

      Banking, religion, and politics all have their problems, no doubt. But they're all important and persistent factors in the progress that humanity has made. They've all been involved in bad things, but they've all be involved in lots of good things as well.

      A human being is, on their own, capable of many things, both good and bad. Structures, systems, corporations, religions, corporations...they've all allowed us as a civilization to accomplish tasks that no one man could accomplish on his own. Some good and some bad, but all it does is amplify our abilities.

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    11. Re:I've got a better idea by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Psh... backups? I restore my data from a parallel universe, where I didn't get hit by a virus in the first place.

      K dkd that, but kt turns out they use a slkghtly dkfferent alphabet kn that unkverse.

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    12. Re:I've got a better idea by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even further, you *don't* have the known plaintext to break RSA because it's a random symmetric key encrypted with RSA that is used to encrypt the files by the virus. Every modern cipher since DES has been highly resistant to known plaintext attacks. That's a basic requirement for a cipher to be considered non-broken.

    13. Re:I've got a better idea by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I recall a similar study where they asked students across the 50 states to rate their "self-esteem" in regards to mathematics - how confident they were in handling numbers, and how good they thought they were.

      Students' self-esteem correlates negatively with test scores. I guess humility is learned through... learning.

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    14. Re:I've got a better idea by gclef · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can basically sell snakeoil and people will kill each other to buy it from you. You've chosen a very appropriate screen name.
    15. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've proven my point far beyond my wildest dreams (actually my wildest dreams don't really have much to do with this particular point :)

      Joking aside, however, just because progress has benefitted certain people, does not make their willing and unwilling pawns any more intelligent, or wise, or smart, or anything but what they are. Just because progress can be achieved with 99% enslaved labor, does not mean it cannot be done equally as well (if not better) by those who participate by mutual agreement.

      To put it in a more easily understood concept... even if orgasm (progress) can be achieved through RAPE, or consensual sex, or masturbation, that does not make RAPE a necessary thing to achieve orgasm, nor does it say that the guy who masturbates isn't achieving orgasms. Does that make any one of those three conditions the only right way to reach orgasm? Same thing with your vaunted progress.

      There is more than one way to get to a desired goal, and just because a vast mass of the populace is incapable of seeing the forest for the trees, and just because a few profit from the stupidity of the many does NOT in any way make the few evil, or the many any less stupid.

      I was stating an observation, not saying that the masses should awaken. Personally I am not wanting to save anyone. Those who will save themselves will do it without my help. The masses, in fact, deserve EXACTLY the kind of progress they are in the process of "receiving". I'm just enjoying the show. Don't mistake me for someone who still cares.

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  3. track down the people who wrote the virus and for by jalet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where's Jack Bauer when you need him ???

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  4. Damn it by alx5000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk.

    If only I hadn't erased Jack Bauer's cell from my contact list after the last season...

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    1. Re:Damn it by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

      Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk.

      If only I hadn't erased Jack Bauer's cell from my contact list after the last season...

      I had his number in my PC, but somehow I can't access it all of a sudden. I think a virus encrypted it.
  5. Make them talk? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 2, Funny

    How are we going to do that? Everyone knows that things aren't nearly as fun as they used to be... people are even complaining about waterboarding now! what's this world coming to? Shoot, I remember when you could put a man on the rack - no problem.

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    1. Re:Make them talk? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simple. Lock them in a cell with a person whose complete pr0n collection is now encrypted. Then go out and come back about an hour later. They talk. They will confess everything, including the assassination of JFK, just as long as they don't have to spend more time with someone whose jackoff material is gone and they're to blame for it.

      Talk about motivation!

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    2. Re:Make them talk? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's your porn collection? Wow!

      But you have some really odd fetishes, I gotta tell ya that.

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  6. Tag: Goodluckwiththat by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The people who did that sit in a country ending in -stan. Countries ending in -stan have real problems and don't care for problems their citizens cause abroad.

    You can trust me on that one, I've tried. I've even had so much as the name of the person to prosecute. Nothing came out of it. Despite including our federal police and interpol.

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    1. Re:Tag: Goodluckwiththat by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can trust me on that one, I've tried. I've even had so much as the name of the person to prosecute. Nothing came out of it. Despite including our federal police and interpol. Nothing came of it because you did not sweeten the pot for local law enforcement, politicians, and judges with large bribes. If one wants justice or even just to get something done in a -stan country then one has to grease the wheels of the local economy or in other words its pay (more than your opponent) to play. This is how much of the world outside of the United States, Britain, and Western Europe functions, it is practically impossible to get things done or at least done quickly if bribes are not involved.
  7. 15 million modern computers?? by iamacat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are best off using a large botnet then. Perhaps modify the extortion virus itself so that it's part of solution rather than part of the problem.

  8. 15 million CPU years by robo_mojo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    15 million CPU years per key? And the attacker can just make up new keys as often as he likes. He could even make a different key for each target if he wanted.

    15 million CPU years is a lot to spend when you could just restore from backups.

  9. 1024 bits is big by steveb3210 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The size of the keyspace doubles per bit, 2^1024 is the size of keyspace.. Brute factoring the key is not happening..

    1. Re:1024 bits is big by Daimanta · · Score: 2, Informative

      But you don't have to check them all. You can start at the root of the number and go down, skipping even numbers and then some.

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    2. Re:1024 bits is big by evanbd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That would solve it in only 2^511 operations. In actuality, factoring of large numbers is far more efficient than that. The techniques are complex, but they're quite good. That's why a 1024 bit RSA key is considered somewhat small (2048 or 4096 are the norm) but for symmetric key ciphers (where you do have to try all 2^n possible keys) use key sizes of 256 bits or less.

  10. Re:That all depends ... by alx5000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... or bribing them! Hah! Foiling their plans of locking peoples files down! Oh, wait...

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  11. Interbank Data Recovery Services by wagnerrp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fortunately, we had Interbank Data Recovery Services. And Interbank does more than just acquire the decryption key.

    That's because Interbank vows to find out who sent you the ransom and hunt them down like animals. Like filthy, dirty animals. That's the Interbank difference. See, I don't care how Interbank's secret police get things done. I just care that they get things done. For us.

    Plus, because we'd enrolled in their Premiere Membership program, Interbank also hunted down friends and relatives of the guy who had encrypted our data, dragged them from their beds in the middle of the night, and set fire to their homes.

    1. Re:Interbank Data Recovery Services by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why drag them out of the house first? That is very inefficient.

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  12. It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We should not help people whose data is held at ransom. Finally they will see the folly in using cheapest software, in the cheapest platform with no regard for security. Companies will start taking insurance against data loss. And the insurance premium will be more for insecure closed proprietary crapware like Windows.

    As long as security is valued at zero dollars when the IT bean counters are evaluating platforms and vendors crapware will proliferate.

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    1. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by zullnero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You seem to forget that Windows isn't cheap at all. Have you ever purchased a site license?

      The real people against the wall are lazy Windows admins, or companies that understaff their IT department (or hire idiots with little formal education or experience on the dime). No one will ever take out insurance against this stuff, and if someone tries to sell it, they may well be the scum behind the ransomware to begin with. What companies will do is force all their IT people to get MS certs, because managers and execs do exactly what Microsoft tells them to do. Microsoft tells you to pay ungodly amounts for certifications, that's what they do.

    2. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This one's a Trojan, though, not an exploit. If your platform allows installing general-purpose software then the possible countermeasures (warnings, administrator password prompts, requiring chmod +x, sandboxing) are all kind of flimsy. Sandboxing is at odds with the "general purpose software" part -- imagine that this had been masquerading as a privacy tool that protected your files by encrypting them. Either you have a sandbox the user can't override that blocks legitimate encryption software, or you have one the user can override that the user then will override.

      Signed packages in well-maintained repositories are a good countermeasure, but closed source vendors could do that too.

  13. Don't forget the corollary. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget the corollary.

    Encourage the application writers to make their applications EASY TO BACKUP.

    The problem I keep seeing is that TELLING someone to back up their data is easy to do. FINDING ALL of the data is just about impossible.

    You'll never know if you got it all until AFTER a problem.

    Or even ... how about just including a simple script that will look at how it's installed TODAY and back it up to a location chosen by the user? And then that script will generate a script to install that backup should you need it to. Along with license keys and decoding keys and unlocking keys, etc.

    1. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do I just not know some Windows Admin secret magic, or is it true that I really can't back up my applications. I'd like to be able to reinstall Windows and then restore all of my applications.

      Not quite a direct answer, but you might want to consider using mostly "Portable" apps (that site has tons of them, but by no means counts as the only source... And of course, better-designed programs work portably without needing a wrapper).

      They have nothing to do with Linux or FOSS (though they do tend to exist as FOSS and have Linux versions available). You copy the program's directory (and, if you changed it, your data directory) to a new machine, and bam, it just works. No installation, no annoying migration tools that fail half the time, no custom compression schemes that only worked back on version 4.8 but they stopped supporting in 5.0 and no longer sell version 4.8, etc.

      With most of them, you can run them from USB thumb-drives (the original meaning in this context of "portable" - Literally, you can take them with you); With many, you can even run them from read-only media such as a CD (though obviously you can't save your data in the same place when doing so).

  14. Got to be a link to the extortionist by uab21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The screenshot at http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9965381-7.html?tag=nefd.top says that the victim pays to download a 'decryptor'. Either the decryptor contacts, in real time, the extortionist (at a server location that can be linked to them), or the private key is included in the decryptor program, and should be able to be sussed out...

    1. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by steveb3210 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The explanation I found on the site isn't quite this simple. The data is encrypted with a randomly-generated symmertic key that is protected with RSA.. You send the bad guys the file with the key in it, they decrpyt it and write a program to decrypt everything..

    2. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Quite simple and very effective and can be done using standard tools:

      1. Encrypt victim's data with random AES key
      2. Store key in body of a PGP message for yourself
      3. Get victim to send you the PGP message
      3. Decrypt PGP message using private PGP key, find AES key
      4. Send AES key to victim - for a price...

      Seriously, this could probably be hacked together in the matter of a few hours if explained to someone knowledgable. The private key never leaves the bad guys. And if they decide the heat is on and torch the operation and set it up elsewhere you're 100% screwed. Trying to crack this must be the most useless operation ever, they could easily make the keys stronger and thousands of years would pass to crack it. In one word: Nasty.

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  15. Leave it be. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, there are two possibilities here:

    1. People are running crappy software that got hacked, or
    2. People did something dumb like running an .exe that someone mailed them.

    Either way, this seems like a pretty strong (if harsh) lesson for end users. If #1, use better software, like your geek friends have been telling you this for years. That doesn't have to mean installing Ubuntu; it could just mean upgrading from IE6 to Firefox (or IE7), or from Outlook Express to Thunderbird (or Gmail). If #2, then haven't you been told about 1,000 times not to do that? Now do you see why?

    I truly feel bad for people who get nailed for this, in almost exactly the same way I feel bad for my kids when they touch the stove after I've told them it was hot.

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  16. Re:Force them to talk? by jeiler · · Score: 2, Funny

    You must be new here.

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  17. Data recovery by KevMar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the encryption is sound, but did he just delete the old files after encrypting them or did he scrub the drive too.

    Someone try to undelete the files with a disk recovery tool and see what you get. Just because the file is encrypted does not mean that the original was correctly destroyed.

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    1. Re:Data recovery by sempernoctis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The encrypted version most likely overwrote the plaintext version in-place, but I suppose it is possible there are plaintext fragments still floating about...according to what I've heard about forensics, you might have a chance if you take your hard drive platters out and borrow the nearest electron microscope to examine them :)

  18. No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by mkcmkc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What seems to be missing here, is the realization that if someone has encrypted your files without your permission (supposedly for ransom), there is no reason to trust them to restore the files correctly, and very good reasons not to trust them.

    I suppose if the file in question was something like a manuscript for a novel, where the owner can more or less verify it by eye, and (importantly) there isn't that much downside if our opponent sneaks some changes in, that might be worthwhile. But in general...

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    1. Re:No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by Terrasque · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it would be less work to give them a correct decryptor, than one that intentionally alters selective parts of a file. Correct decrypting will also give other people a reason to pay the ransom.

      So all in all, I think I can trust them to not intentionally do something like that, since that is in both parties' interest.

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  19. How does this malware propogate? by Savior_on_a_Stick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it targeted manually, or is it a specifically directed attack? If it's out in the wild being spread [cough] virally, rather than being inserted into specific targets, then what happens when a mobster's double book accounting system gets infected. Some people have mentioned ruthless CEO's - but if this infected the wrong system, these folks could have someone after them with no restraint, deep pockets, and the resources and experience to root them out. Do I smell a TV movie in the offing?

    1. Re:How does this malware propogate? by jonwil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It may sound bad but I actually WANT something like this to be created such that it will spread with the full force of Code Red, Nimda, Blaster, Storm and other massive attacks. 1000s of people and organizations worldwide (some of whom are important and/or have lost important data) would be hit and the world might actually start giving a stuff about computer security.

  20. Re:Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If this is the least bit surprising to you, all I can say is that you are not very up to date with cryptography. Security against a so-called "known plaintext attack" is an absolutely stock standard criteria for ciphers these days. For the last few decades no serious cipher has been substantially weaker against known plaintexts than against random plaintexts.

  21. There is a LITTLE magic involved. by khasim · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do I just not know some Windows Admin secret magic, or is it true that I really can't back up my applications.
    There is a little magic that you can try, but you are pretty much correct. You cannot EASILY backup your Windows apps.

    For the Registry, you can "export" the entries for that app to a file and, later, you can import that file into the Registry.

    The problem with the Registry is the same as you've noted with the file system. Stuff gets put EVERYWHERE. And there is no way to KNOW that you have EVERYTHING until AFTER you attempt to restore it. AND that doesn't include anything "updated" when you get a patch or point-zero-one release "upgrade".

    Now, the installer can put that stuff everywhere ... and in theory it can remove that stuff when you un-install it ... but it cannot COPY that stuff to a backup directory/device?

    And I don't want to hear that that is to prevent "piracy". Just encrypt the stuff with the unlocking key or whatever. That way I can keep a TEXT file of app-name -- key code on my USB drive along with the backups.
  22. Other way around by DrYak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in my youth, I never made regular backups.
    Then I got a virus.
    Since then, I make regular backups. Back in my childhood I did regular backups of my family's computer.
    Then we got a virus.
    Then we realized that the virus was a time bomb that was already present in dormant form even in the oldest several-months old backups.

    Sometimes you have parents that are both computer geeks, and they teach you the important of offline backups. Never the less, shit happens anyway.

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    1. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Back in my childhood I did regular backups of my family's computer.
      Then we got a virus.
      Then we realized that the virus was a time bomb that was already present in dormant form even in the oldest several-months old backups. So you wind back the system clock pre-bomb and restore any of your backups, even the most recent, then copy the data off. Or your restore your backups and then delete the infected files before you try and execute them. What's the problem?
  23. Slightly offtopic... origins of the IP address by New_Age_Reform_Act · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article mentioned that despite the IP addresses of the email are from China, the fact is the people behind the GPcode campaign are Russian. That makes me wonder that how many computers in China has been turned into Russian zombies. That may well explain the reason why most attacks against U.S. Government networks are originated in China.

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  24. RC4 is easier... by Panaflex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why waste time factoring RSA?? The RSA simply wraps an RC4 key.

    RC4 brute force is far easier. There are several known problems with RC4 which may possibly work to our advantage in cracking the data as well..

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    1. Re:RC4 is easier... by burris · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Much more promising is the possibility of a lack of entropy in the key selection process. Without a lot of entropy and a good RNG, the size of the probable keyspace may be reduced dramatically. Enough that searching all probable keys may quite feasible, even trivial.

  25. Re:That all depends ... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    That depends on whether you think it is acceptable to compel someone to reveal something like that.

    Oh, I do: as long as it's not the government doing the compelling.

    Just once it'd be fun to hear that the local mafia don's PC got infected because his wife wanted cute smileys, and that the local prosecutor is frustrated by the lack of direct evidence linking the don to what they found down by the river.

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  26. Most have a GPL equivalent. Most. by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but most of them have a GPL equivalent in GNU/Linux "Most" is the key word. There are a lot of users who have fewer than a half-dozen applications and games that keep them on Windows. For some people, it's recent Photoshop or Flash. For others, it's some Direct3D game that doesn't work in Wine. For others, it's the driver for a flatbed scanner.
  27. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny
    Twitter - as someone who helps do backups for (insert huge corp here) there's no other way to say this, but... you're an idiot. For the newer folks among us, I'll happily explain why.



    Enterprise-level backup apps are almost always 3rd-party, not "some kind of unreliable M$ thing". Any serious solution also has a means to restore to bare metal, so in effect you need no OS at all to do this.


    (and when was the last time anybody kept any current work on a floppy? Cripes - 1992 called and they want their backup devices back).

    /P

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  28. Re:Let me get this straight by burris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, RSA is vulnerable to chosen plaintext. That is one of the reasons why a signature system encrypts the hash of the document instead of the document itself.

    In this case it is a randomly generated symmetric key that is encrypted so known plaintext won't help. I wonder if the white hats have looked closely at the key generation code. There is a good chance that there isn't much entropy in the keys and the keyspace can be narrowed down enough to make guessing the symmetric key feasible.

  29. I'm all for forcing them to talk by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given the choice between fifteen million CPU years spent breaking keys and about ten minutes of breaking fingers, it seems pretty clear which one is more efficient.

  30. Re:Die! Die! Die! by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Track them down and kill them.

    You should probably get the private key from them first.

  31. I found the encryption sequence! by bornyesterday · · Score: 2, Funny

    It took me a bit of work, but I think I got it. Can someone double check my work? This is the key that I came up with:

    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0