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Canada's Proposed DMCA-Style Law Draws Fire

litui writes "Michael Geist assesses the problems with new copyright legislation presented today. In short, it looks like unless it's heavily contested, Canadians are in for a worse piece of law than the DMCA." CBC News' story quotes one critic, Scott Brison, who warns that enforcing the anti-circumvention clauses of this legislation would turn Canada into a police state — which, considering the pervasive eavesdropping it would take to make sure that people aren't enjoying their rights to fair use (or "fair dealing") of hardware or media, seems like a fair prediction.

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  1. Mac and Linux users... by farrellj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Would become criminals under the new law...

    With the new law, it is going to be illegal to bypass any "digital" locks
    that a content creator/publisher puts on their work.

    One of these systems that is used by some Record companies prevents you from
    coping a CD on a Microsoft Windows machine. The way that it works is that it
    automatically loads up a program when you put the CD into the computer that
    prevents the transfering of CD's music to either your computer or Ipod. This
    is known as Digitial Rights Managment or Copy Protection.

    But what if you a Mac, or a Linux machine?

    As the software that is automatically loaded from the CD to prevent you
    copying only works under Microsoft Window, it would thus be illegal to put
    that CD into your Mac, as it would be a "circumvention of the copy
    protection" on the CD.

    This law is stooopid!

    ttyl
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    1. Re:Mac and Linux users... by KillerBob · · Score: 4, Funny

      But... but! That's what WINE is for!

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    2. Re:Mac and Linux users... by arbiter1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "One of these systems that is used by some Record companies prevents you from
      coping a CD on a Microsoft Windows machine. The way that it works is that it
      automatically loads up a program when you put the CD into the computer that
      prevents the transfering of CD's music to either your computer or Ipod. This
      is known as Digitial Rights Managment or Copy Protection."

      that loading the program on puttin the cd in, Sony tried that shit already and got raped majorly for their effort's. they can't install anything on your computer legally without the owner of the pc's permission

    3. Re:Mac and Linux users... by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't holding down the shift key, and disabling autorun also count as circumventing their DRM?

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    4. Re:Mac and Linux users... by digitrev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that, but if this bill gets passed, you just broke the law by saying that.

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    5. Re:Mac and Linux users... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even worse.

      If they put in one bit and call it a "copyright protection device", you can't copy it or you're breaking the law. It doesn't have to DO anything, just be called a "copy protect flag". If no devices exist that support it, then you have to buy a new compliant device. Otherwise, that's circumventing.

      Geist is right. It passes the law onto the companies instead of to the courts.

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    6. Re:Mac and Linux users... by S.O.B. · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An audio CD or DVD is not an application. The autorun on a CD/DVD is to install the DRM "enforcer" on your computer. By holding down the shift key when inserting the disk into a Windows machine (or inserting it into a Mac or Linux PC) you would be able to freely rip the disk but you would be circumventing the DRM and would be in violation of this new law.

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    7. Re:Mac and Linux users... by Random+Destruction · · Score: 4, Informative
      Clearly you must be wrong. The bill is all sunshine and flowers. Just look at the e-mail I just recieved in my university inbox from the Minister of Industry at Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca :

      The Government of Canada has introduced Bill C-61, An Act to Amend the Copyright Act. The proposed legislation is a made-in-Canada approach that balances the needs of Canadian consumers and copyright owners, promoting culture, innovation and competition in the digital age.

      What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians?

      Specifically, it includes measures that would:

      * expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones; make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own; and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements;

      * implement new rights and protections for copyright holders, tailored to the Internet, to encourage participation in the online economy, as well as stronger legal remedies to address Internet piracy;

      * clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and

      * provide photographers with the same rights as other creators.

      What Bill C-61 does not do:

      * it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation

      What this Bill is not:

      * it is not a mirror image of U.S. copyright laws. Our Bill is made-in-Canada with different exceptions for educators, consumers and others and brings us into line with more than 60 countries including Japan, France, Germany and Australia

      Bill C-61 was introduced in the Commons on June 12, 2008 by Industry Minister Jim Prentice and Heritage Minister Josée Verner.

      For more information, please visit the Copyright Reform Process website at www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/home

      Thank you for sharing your views on this important matter.

      The Honourable Jim Prentice, P.C., Q.C., M.P. Minister of Industry

      The Honourable Josée Verner, P.C., M.P. Minister of Canadian Heritage, Status of Women and Official Languages and Minister for La Francophonie
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    8. Re:Mac and Linux users... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about this one, but certainly the US's DMCA attacks only technology who's primary purpose is to circumvent copy protection. Neither MacOSX nor Linux fit that description. Good luck getting libdvdcss through though.

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    9. Re:Mac and Linux users... by phillipsjk256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, I don't believe that is the case. section 41 contains the following definition:

      "technological measure" means any effective technology, device or component that, in the ordinary course of its operation,

      (a) controls access to a work, to a perform- ers performance fixed in a sound recording or to a sound recording and whose use is authorized by the copyright owner; or

      (b) restricts the doing with respect to a work, to a perform- ers performance fixed in a sound recording or to a sound recording of any act referred to in section 3, 15 or 18 and any act for which remuneration is payable under section 19.

      Note the phrase: "...any effective technology, device or component that..."

      INAL, but I am a linux user. If the technology relies on a specific OS to be effective, it is not effective. Last time I checked, the "normal mode of operation" for an audio CD was a dumb CD player equiped with little more than a Digital to Analog Converter.

      I am looking for flaws in the bill from the point of view that section 41 is irrelevant. (I am more worried about the legal protection offered to click-wraped user agreements)

      Regards,

      James Phillips

    10. Re:Mac and Linux users... by ultranova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cue the "slippery slope is a fallacy" idiots to assure you that all proposed laws are just fine and concerns over "abuse" are philosophically unsound.

      They aren't idiots, but highly paid professionals. Presumably paid by the same corporations who paid for this law.

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    11. Re:Mac and Linux users... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Would become criminals under the new law...

      Well, so would anyone with a damned shift key or who has configured their Windows boxes to not automatically run software on a CD when it is installed.

      So, it would become illegal to not accept the defaults as laid down for us by Microsoft, and which likely result in a less secure system as you are more likely to be affected by Sony rootkits etc.

      Me, I say fuck 'em. I buy all of my CDs. I rip them to MP3 using FreeBSD or iTunes. I play them on whatever damned device or mixed CD I choose. Between the fact that it's my right to format shift and make mixes, and these bastards have been charging the levy on blank media for years now. If they want to start outlawing the rights of legitimate music buyers, then I'll just stop buying CDs.

      This is a bad law, written by a stupid government that's out of touch. Last night I heard Jim Prentice on the radio being interviewed by CBC. When they asked "how will this benefit consumers", he proceeded to describe how the rights holders get a boost, but never articulated clearly how this law is of benefit to me, the consumer (other than saying the statutory penalties are now lower).

      Sadly, Canada's present government is out of touch with what the majority of people in the country want.

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  2. Liberals by JebusIsLord · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know the NDP and probably the Liberals will vote this down, and we currently have a minority government so the Conservatives won't be able to push this though.

    Hopefully... lately the Liberals (our official opposition) have been obstaining from votes rather than trigger an election when they're down in the polls. A sad state of affairs, really.

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    1. Re:Liberals by JebusIsLord · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just to clarify for Americans who don't understand the parliamentary system, basically the Conservatives hold the most seats, but not the majority of seats, so they can loose motions. If it is considered a confidence motion, then the goverment is overthrown and we have another election. Usually minority governments are unstable and dissolve after a few months, but this one has been around (IMO) far too long.

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    2. Re:Liberals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only can they loose motions, which they do with reckless abandon, but they can even lose them.

    3. Re:Liberals by digitrev · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, but if this bill is considered a confidence motion, then Stephane "The Coward" Dion will just make the Liberal party sit out on the vote, and it'll pass right on through. I'm no fan of the Liberals, but I'll take another 13 years of Liberal rule than deal with the consequences of this bill.

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    4. Re:Liberals by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can you send us a little of that "overthrow government" stuff you guys have up there?

      pretty please? we promise to buy lots of maple syrup

      honest we will

    5. Re:Liberals by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Uh, we get to overthrow a percentage of our government every two years like clockwork.

      It's our own problem if we don't take advantage of the opportunity.

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    6. Re:Liberals by peragrin · · Score: 3, Funny

      They will probably ask real nice that we quit making jokes about the Mounties too.

      I am not sure if can handle that one.

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    7. Re:Liberals by Deadplant · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wish we had some to spare.
      Sadly the Liberals (kind like your Democrats) are performing just like your Democrat controlled congress.
      They have decided that their party politics and political strategy is more important than any of the actual issues that have come to a vote.

    8. Re:Liberals by sayfawa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly! Those cowards just sat out a bill which they were against involving immigration. The bill basically goes over the head of our point system which judges a potential immigrant impartially, based on their skills and instead gives whoever is in charge of immigration at the time way too much power to pick and choose, based on their predilections, who comes in and who doesn't. Similar to how it was in first half of the century when 'Great White North' referred to more than just snow. This bill will have serious consequences for many people and families. The Liberals were completely against it but, because it might have triggered an election, they slink off during the vote and let it through.

      If they can't stand up for their beliefs for something as important to Canada as immigration, then no way do they have the guts to make a big deal out of copyright reform.

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    9. Re:Liberals by MrAndrews · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My MP has already committed to voting against C-61, but then they're NDP. If you have a Liberal MP, I'd write to them and tell them that if they don't actually show up and shoot this thing down, you'll vote for a party that will. Maybe if the Liberals get flooded with enough mail like that, Dion will stop running from the electorate.

    10. Re:Liberals by digitrev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Scratch that, reverse it. Conservatives ~ Republicans (right wing), and Liberals ~ Democrats (left wing).

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    11. Re:Liberals by Curtman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Liberals were completely against it but, because it might have triggered an election, they slink off during the vote and let it through.

      I've been a Liberal supporter for almost 20 years. I've volunteered during every election since I was 12 years old to help out. The idea of having Stephane Dion for a prime minister frightens me. I'm glad they didn't trigger an election, no good could come of it. Either Harper gets a majority or Stephane will form a government that will smear the Liberal name as badly or worse than Brian Mulroney did for the Conservatives.

      These are dark days in Canadian politics.
    12. Re:Liberals by duh+P3rf3ss3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are 100% wrong. The Canadian Conservative Party is pretty much like the Democrats in the US. The Canadian Liberal Party is further left than anything that exists in the US right now. The New Democrats and the Bloc Quebecois are socialists -- I don't think any of those survive in the US, am I right?

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    13. Re:Liberals by loraksus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come on, just come out and say it... Stefan Dion (liberal party leader) is a spineless bitch. He has let virtually everything go by him, without opposition since the formation of this minority government and one that has all but dissapeared from the public eye in recent months.
      It would be nice if "the leader of the opposition" actually did his fucking job.

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    14. Re:Liberals by fyoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Either Harper gets a majority or Stephane will form a government that will smear the Liberal name as badly or worse than Brian Mulroney did for the Conservatives. That seems a bit extreme. I think he'd do fine until there could be another leadership convention to find a replacement. The problem is, could he lead the Liberals to a majority in the first place? I doubt it. And so does he. So the Liberals sit on their hands or excuse themselves from anything that looks like a confidence vote. The problem, of course, is that it allows Harper to govern as though he has a majority and force all kinds of crap through.

      If they would force an election it would at least slow him down. The beauty of a minority gov't is that it is supposed to keep stupid laws from getting passed, but that's only true if the gov't is afraid of being defeated. Thanks to Dion, this one isn't.
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    15. Re:Liberals by optimus2861 · · Score: 3, Informative
      To add to the above, I'll try to explain the current problems of the Liberal party, our official opposition that has been abstaining from votes that would defeat the government and trigger an election.

      The Liberals were in power under Jean Chretien from 1993 to 2003, when Paul Martin replaced him. Two things happened around this time. First, Chretien passed a campaign-finance reform bill that banned contributions from corporations and unions. Second, a major scandal broke that was dubbed the sponsorship scandal, as it was revealed Liberal-friendly advertising agencies in the province of Quebec had been awarded numerous government advertising contracts for doing effectively no work, and passing sums of money back to the Liberals as donations. One such case was, literally, an envelope full of cash passed to a Liberal party member in an Italian restaurant.

      The Liberals had relied heavily on corporate donors during their time in power and did not have much in place for "grassroots" fundraising, so the campaign finance reform crippled their fundraising abilities. This remains true today; the Liberals are consistently out-fundraised by a huge margin by the Conservatives, who have very solid grassroots fundraising. I think in the last quarter, even the NDP raised more cash than the Liberals. The Liberals have still not managed to fully pay off their debts from their 2006 leadership convention. Bottom line: the Conservatives are flush with cash, the Liberals are broke. The Liberals simply can't afford an election.

      The fallout from the sponsorship scandal crushed Liberal fortunes in Quebec and allowed the Conservatives to make significant inroads in the 2006 election. Selecting Dion as leader, who is not popular in nationalist parts of Quebec from his time as constitutional affairs minister under Chretien, has compounded the Liberal problem. Outside of Montreal, the Liberals are polling very badly in Quebec, behind both the Conservatives and Bloc Quebecois, with the NDP nipping at their heels. Even in Montreal, recent polls are suggesting once-Liberal strongholds may be up for grabs. The Liberals have historically been weak in western Canada, and need to win large numbers of seats in both Quebec and Ontario to form government. As of today, the Liberals simply can't win in Quebec.

      The final problem the Liberals have is they have transitioned very poorly from government to opposition. Often dubbed Canada's "natural governing party", the Liberals seem to have forgotten how to formulate policy when they are not governing. Much of their performance in opposition has been taken up with blustering about alleged Conservative scandals, rather than articulating an alternate vision of how to run the country.

      So in a nutshell, our official opposition is a party that can't afford to trigger an election it can't win on policies it doesn't have. And the Liberals know it. Hence they huff and puff about opposing the Conservatives, but won't pull the trigger.

    16. Re:Liberals by BPPG · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently, no. The Liberals promised to impose some sort of copyright bill about 12 years ago, and had been procrastinating. They might call for heavy changes, but they'd lose face for big companies if they spoke against it.

      I tried to find a reference to prove this, but all I've got is my buddy on Parliament Hill as a a source.

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  3. Write Your MP by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please write your MP and let them know you want no part of this bill. Please write a polite and informed message to them, encourage them to check out Michael Geist's page (link in article above). The world does not need another DMCA that empowers big media at the expenses of consumers' rights. Write your MP.

    1. Re:Write Your MP by PFAK · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out Online Rights Canada's new action alert, "Tell MPs What's Wrong with the Prentice Bill":

      http://www.copyrightforcanadians.ca/action/firstlook/

      Here's what their website says about it:

      "After months of hesitation, Industry Minister Jim Prentice has finally revealed his re-write of Canada's rules of copyright. Tell your MP just what you think of it."

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    2. Re:Write Your MP by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would urge everyone to write a dead tree version, rather than just an email. If a thousand people wrote in, well, it's easy to delete a thousand emails from an inbox, but throwing out a thousand pieces of paper will make any politician think twice. Besides, I believe writing to your MP is still postage free.

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    3. Re:Write Your MP by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 2, Informative

      Done. I just sent a snail mail letter. Remember, if you are sending the letter to parliament, it is *FREE* and does not require a stamp. Every self-respecting Canadian slashdotter who reads this should do the same.

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    4. Re:Write Your MP by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am not Canadian, and my first impression is that you guys already pay a CD tax to pay for copying discs, making file sharing legal, how does the new bill affect that? If it prevents you (legally) from making those copies, should the media companies lose that CD tax?

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    5. Re:Write Your MP by dadragon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think this might be a good way to find your MP if you have no idea who it is.

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    6. Re:Write Your MP by andre_racicot · · Score: 2, Informative

      And sending snail-mail to your MP's office is also free! If we all rally and send tons of paper, they might get a clue!

  4. A small piece of hope by Tragek · · Score: 5, Informative

    The government said a second reading of the legislation wouldn't occur until the next sitting of the house. With the government breaking soon for the summer, such a reading would not occur until the fall. This gives three months to rally against it. Though, Micheal Geist looks at it slightly differently:

    The government plans for second reading at the next sitting of the house, effectively removing the ability to send it to committee after first reading (and therefore be more open to change).
    1. Re:A small piece of hope by JebusIsLord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or 3 months for the media to get bored with the issue, and then they can quietly pass it without a fuss.

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  5. We have to stop C-61 cold. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When's the first protest? It's time to march the hill.

    1. Re:We have to stop C-61 cold. by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why wait for someone else to start it?

    2. Re:We have to stop C-61 cold. by MrAndrews · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Before you march on the hill, make sure you tell your parents and other boomer friends that this bill will make it so the cable companies can stop them from recording American Idol.

      Wait for the look of utter horror to crystallize on their faces, and then you can recruit them into the cause.

      It's amazing how fast they go from "meh, it's not really something I'm interested in" to "holy hell, not my Simon!"

  6. Current Goverment Talking points by digitrev · · Score: 5, Informative
    I received an e-mail from the Minister of Industry, Jim Prentice (Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca), presumably because I've e-mailed him about this in the past. In it are the current government talking points. Please, do your best to refute these and point out the horrible, horrible flaws in this bill. Find your MP by postal code, and give them a good thrashing.

    The Government of Canada has introduced Bill C-61, An Act to Amend the Copyright Act. The proposed legislation is a made-in-Canada approach that balances the needs of Canadian consumers and copyright owners, promoting culture, innovation and competition in the digital age.

    What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians?

    Specifically, it includes measures that would:
    • expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones; make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own; and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements;
    • implement new rights and protections for copyright holders, tailored to the Internet, to encourage participation in the online economy, as well as stronger legal remedies to address Internet piracy;
    • clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and
    • provide photographers with the same rights as other creators.
    What Bill C-61 does not do:
    • it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation
    What this Bill is not:
    • it is not a mirror image of U.S. copyright laws. Our Bill is made-in-Canada with different exceptions for educators, consumers and others and brings us into line with more than 60 countries including Japan, France, Germany and Australia
    Bill C-61 was introduced in the Commons on June 12, 2008 by Industry Minister Jim Prentice and Heritage Minister Josée Verner.

    For more information, please visit the Copyright Reform Process website at www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/home

    Thank you for sharing your views on this important matter.


    The Honourable Jim Prentice, P.C., Q.C., M.P.
    Minister of Industry

    The Honourable Josée Verner, P.C., M.P.
    Minister of Canadian Heritage, Status of Women
    and Official Languages and Minister for
    La Francophonie
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    1. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by MrAndrews · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I got that one too, and my favourite bit is:

      What Bill C-61 does not do:

      it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation No, that's in ACTA. How clever of them to sidestep the issue by confusing matters.
    2. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by digitrev · · Score: 2, Informative

      1. The anti-circumvention measures. Look at Michael Geist's website, or one of the other websites linked in the discussion.
      2. The fact that this bill does not cover the laptop seizure, but is in fact ACTA. This is FUD by misdirection.
      3. Bring up the lack of consumer protection.
      4. Most importantly, tell them that this is the thing deciding your vote. Make sure that your MP knows that he will lose your vote to another party if he does not vote against this. This is the only thing that will change their mind.
      5. As others have mentioned, send them some snail mail. Mailing your MP does not require postage, and they tend to take letters more seriously than e-mail.

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    3. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians?

      Specifically, it includes measures that would:

      -expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones;


      Provided that the music isn't coming from a DVD, and that the original source isn't protected by DRM, in which case the new bill actually expressly criminalizes it, whereas before it would have been legal.

      -make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own;


      But not laser discs, video-CDs, DVDs, or any other audio-visual media with the exception of videocassettes. Again, these are now criminalized.

      and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements;


      If you're using P2P technology, this new bill imposes a $20,000 fine for "making available", which is far more than the current statutory damages.

      clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and


      This part doesn't seem so bad (unless I'm missing something). Basically, if ISPs get served with a notice, they have to pass it on to their users, which seems good.

    4. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by mrmcwn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whatever. There are fines for jaywalking and speeding too, but I've never had to pay one. The kids smoking dope in the park near my house appear to do it with impunity. The law, as with most that don't involve physical injury or invasion, is basically unenforceable. Get creative, people. Hint: . Backup to the Torrent network, which is probably the most reliable RAID anywhere.

    5. Re:Current Goverment Talking points by Random+Guru+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd add in phoning your MP at his parliamentary office while parliament is still in session, and constituency office otherwise. As I did today. They take phone calls seriously too, especially if they're long distance.

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  7. We need to contact the MSM by Geof · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Most people still get their news through the mainstream media. Many of them have published warmed-over versions of the government press release. We need to contact them to let them know how disastrous this law will be. Some examples:

    Ottawa brings copyright into the digital age -- The Toronto Star

    The federal government tabled new legislation Thursday morning designed to make it easier to track and prosecute anyone caught downloading copyrighted files, such as music and movies, from the Internet. -- The Globe and Mail

    Controversial copyright legislation positioned as a made-in-Canada solution to stamp out online piracy -- The National Post

    1. Re:We need to contact the MSM by digitrev · · Score: 4, Informative
      Don't forget The Ottawa Sun.

      The bill would also allow consumers to record television and radio programs to watch or listen to later. And it would allow Internet programs to be recorded as long as they are simultaneously aired on television or radio.

      There would also be limits on the time such recordings could be kept, so consumers couldn't build a library of recordings.

      Department officials weren't able to say how long recordings would be allowed to be kept for later viewing.
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    2. Re:We need to contact the MSM by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least we still have the CBC

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
  8. Draconian Legislation. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Big publishers are buying draconian legislation because only that will preserve their place in the world. They have gotten away with as much as they have because they control broadcast media, but fewer people are paying attention to that. We are in a race to save the internet before big publishers can destroy it. They demand the same kinds of control over the internet that they had over print and broadcast. That is, the ability to limit what can be shared regardless of who creates it. It's not about entertainment and "piracy", it's about control. The DMCA gives them channel control and the nastier provision give them ability to harass other publishers with cease and desist letters. Windows and Mac have have "copy protection" built in that enforces the rest.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:Draconian Legislation. by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I read Mr. Twit's post several times looking for an MSFT reference. It isn't there. Are you suggesting that the twit is only allowed to post anti-MSFT screeds, and as this is not an MSFT related issue, he has no right to comment?

      The you blather on about 'your rights' and 'taking your anti-corporate rants elsewhere.' In the same damn sentence. May I ask, who is endangering your rights if it isn't the corporations?

      I think your irrational hatred of the twit is clouding your judgment. He's a sock puppeting fool, but you come across as even more of a loony than he does by lashing out at him like that.

      Most of us just ignore him when he's being an idiot, which he's not even doing here.

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      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    2. Re:Draconian Legislation. by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, we get it, that's my point. You are currently beating a greasy, horse shaped patch on the ground. The reason I wasn't modded off topic is that people are obviously as sick of this game as I am. Take it as a hint and find another hobby.

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      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
  9. Political Theatre by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a good chance that this is just political theatre. The Conservatives promised their big-entertainment paymasters that they would introduce this bill in this session of parliament, so they are doing so, but this is the end of the session and the bill is hugely unpopular, so it will likely die when the parliamentary session closes.

    What I would like to see for is the Conservatives to make the bill a matter of confidence, the Liberals to vote it under thereby forcing an election, and then the Liberals wining a majority government by harping on this piece of unpopular legislation. This would show the politicians that bills of this kind are political suicide for whatever party introduces them.

    1. Re:Political Theatre by davegravy · · Score: 2, Funny

      This would show the politicians that bills of this kind are political suicide for whatever party introduces them It would also show the US that they need to step up their level of influence on Canada's politics.
    2. Re:Political Theatre by digitrev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Liberals? Force an election? If they didn't do it over Afghanistan or the budget, what makes you think they'll do it over something that the average person knows nothing about? My biggest fear is that this will be a matter of confidence, thus shooing away the Liberals and giving this bill a free ride through parliament.

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    3. Re:Political Theatre by fiendy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, this bill will likely just die in parliament. That does not mean I am not wholeheartedly against it and the US lobbying that brought it. I will consider writing to my MP on this issue (sidenote: No postage is required to send a letter to your MP).

      Some copyright protection reform is obviously needed, but only something that does not villify consumers, make a mockery of fair use or bend to the US **AA lobbying agenda.

    4. Re:Political Theatre by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can we modify that plan so that the NDP wins a minority government? The Conservatives need to seriously rethink their position on pretty much everything, but the Liberals aren't really fit to rule either. An majority NDP government doesn't seem like a good idea, but if they were held in check by a minority government it might be the best of all evils.

  10. Canada is Already a Police State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You Americans have a fairly shitty healthcare system, but let's remember that here in Canada, there is still no such thing as a right to free speech.

    Our Human Rights Commissions (provincial and national) investigate "crimes" like criticizing other people's religious beliefs, opposing gay marriage or refusing to participate in a gay marriage ceremony, and making non-violent racist statements. The extrajudicial tribunals can charge people with these crimes as a result of a complaint being made by anyone-- no police investigation, no warrant, no arrest necessary. There is no jury at the trial, and the sentences include fines and being required to disavow one's "hate speech" and profess agreement with the government.

    The defendant has no right to an attorney or to an appeal, although they must pay the court costs. The judges are not elected, and so far have no oversight from any other level of government. Truth is not considered a defense-- a person may be found guilty of speech that "incites contempt", even if it's proven that their speech is purely factual.

    The HRC has been caught red-handed tapping into a secured WiFi router, without any kind of warrant or approval, in order to spy on a citizen's internet traffic. Yes, they recently brought a case against someone for expressing criticism of a religion in a comment posted to a U.S.-based vBulletin message board. They suddenly dropped the charges when the story started getting attention-- but refuse to admit wrongdoing, and still claim that they have the authority to fine people for "contemptful" comments posted on the internet.

    1. Re:Canada is Already a Police State by Vectronic · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Just to add a bit of information to the OP about "...no such thing as a right to free speech."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#Canada

      The constitutional provision that guarantees Freedom of expression in Canada is section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
      2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: ... (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication

      Due to section 1 of the Charter, the so-called limitation clause, Canada's freedom of expression is not absolute and can be limited under certain situations. Section 1 of the Charter states:
      The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. (emphasis added)

      This section is double edged. First it implies that a limitation on freedom of speech prescribed in law can be permitted if it can be justified as being a reasonable limit in a free and democratic society. Conversely, it implies that a restriction can be invalidated if it cannot be shown to be a reasonable limit in a free and democratic society. The former case has been used to uphold limits on legislation which are used to prevent hate speech and obscenity.[citation needed]

      In the landmark Supreme Court of Canada case R. v. Zundel (1992), the court struck down a provision in the Criminal Code of Canada that prohibited publication of false information or news, stating that it violated section 2(b) of the Charter.

      In April 29, 2004, Bill C-250 was passed which includes as hate speech propaganda against people based on their sexual orientation. It is now illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation. However, under section 319 on hate speech, a person cannot be convicted of hate speech "if the person can establish that the statements made are true."

      Other laws that protect freedom of speech in Canada, and did so, to a limited extent, before the Charter was enacted in 1982, include the Implied Bill of Rights and the Canadian Bill of Rights. And more...

      Charter Of Rights And Freedoms

      Bill C-250
  11. Tell MPs What's Wrong with the Prentice Bill by PFAK · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out Online Rights Canada's new action alert, "Tell MPs What's Wrong with the Prentice Bill":

    http://www.copyrightforcanadians.ca/action/firstlook/

    Here's what their website says about it:

    "After months of hesitation, Industry Minister Jim Prentice has finally revealed his re-write of Canada's rules of copyright. Tell your MP just what you think of it."

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    Free means no restrictions, ironic the FSF's GPL forces restrictions, isn't it? What's your definition of free?
  12. Re:Drawing Fire by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If only it was that simple. The opposition is in disarray, which is why a minority Conservative government dares to pull crap like this. Their main opposition, the Liberal Party, doesn't have the money or leadership to fight an election, so they'll pretty much agree to anything in order to dodge one. The other two major parties, the Bloc and NDP, don't have enough seats to do anything about it. The Conservatives will find a way to make the vote a matter of confidence, the Liberals will fold, and that will be that. It has nothing to do with what the majority of Canadians want.

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  13. Worse is better. by a+whoabot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So proprietary software, RIAA music, Hollywood movies and television will be more tightly controlled by the copyright holders. Maybe now people will turn the stuff off and be better off in the long run.

  14. Confidence Motion? by shma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a year or two, now, the Conservatives have been able to push through almost any legislation by making it a confidence motion. For those of you in the US, all major bills (budgets and any bills involving new spending), double as motions of confidence in the government. Their failure means the government falls. The main opposition in Canada, the Liberal party, has feared bringing the government down (even though they have the votes) because their party is not polling any better than they did in the last election. They either register a vote of 'abstain' or do not show up to vote where major legislation is concerned. The result is that the Liberals have given the Conservative government an effective majority in Parliament. So the major question here is whether defeating this legislation can bring down the government. Because if it is not a matter of confidence, then the Liberals will join with the other opposition parties to easily defeat it.

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  15. The Sci-Fi Present by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More and more, I'm feeling like the sci-fi stories we've all been reading for years are becoming less far-fetched as time goes on. I'm not talking about the technology of such stories, but rather the trends of governments and societies towards insane laws that stifle freedom and progress, and which make life worse for all but a few of the citizens.

    Cory Doctorow's recent story "I, Robot" comes to mind.

    How do these laws keep getting pushed through in the "free world" of democratic governments? Yes, I understand the influence of lobbyists and big business, but still. Is it really too complicated for the average person to understand the significance of these laws? Or do they just not care?

    Perhaps it is just a limitation of our systems of government. As a US citizen I hate DMCA-style laws. But I only get one vote for a given office, and I have to find ONE candidate to agree with me not just on DCMA, but on war, health care, economics, and all the other issues. Furthermore, I only get two choices with a realistic shot at victory, and it's likely they've both already been bought by big media.

    So what's left to do? I'm asking honestly, how do we work towards change? I'm hoping for something between "angry blog post" and "bloody military coup."

    1. Re:The Sci-Fi Present by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You nailed it. The two party system, while not law, is the logical consequence of the USA's political system. The only way to bring about major changes to the status quo is to change the two party system. This could be accomplished by using a different voting system in which voting for an unpopular candidate is not a waste of a vote. There are many such systems - Ranked Pairs, Instant Runoff, Range Voting, etc.

      There are three ways I know of to bring about such a change.

      1. Have our legislators see the benefits of such a change and then enact it. Since the two party system benefits no one more than the people it elects, this is highly unlikely.

      2. Campaign among the general public, and make this such a major issue that political candidates will need to embrace it in order to be elected. Unfortunately, getting even a small percentage of the general public to care about this issue and to unite behind it is also highly unlikely.

      3. Revolt. This can only happen if things get much worse. As much as people complain about politics, they are making "good money" as you say and are too comfortable for anything drastic.

      There you have it - three options, all unrealistic. Two parties are probably here to stay, and so is all the corruption and corporate influence that goes with it. God, what a shame.

  16. It's even worse than you think by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you read the bill over quickly, it appears to guarantee certain consumer rights, such as copying CD's you legally bought, time-shifting and such. Closer examination, though, shows that those rights are actually non-existent. All a corporation needs to do is put copy protection on a CD/DVD or tell you they don't want you to reproduce the music or whatever and disobeying their wish would be illegal. So if the producer put "DO NOT COPY" on the cover of a CD, you're screwed...even if you just brought it home from the store.

    I won't bother going into detail on the whole police state aspect to this abortion because somebody's already done so. But it's scary as hell.

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  17. Phoning In and Mailing In by Tiberius_Fel · · Score: 4, Informative

    I already phoned in to my MP, Prentice, Verner, Dion, and Harper. Use this to get your local MP's mailing and phone information.
    http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/MemberByPostalCode.aspx?Menu=HOC

    I plan to write some letters tonight.

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  18. This bill is not designed to pass by duketor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bill still has to go through committee (LOL that will be fun) and back to the house, and then the Senate. I can see an election happening long before this becomes law.

    Politically, this is pretty stupid to roll out, but I think Harper is feeling heat from American business interests and bowing to them - SOP for this government.

    In the scrum at the announcement, there were deflections over questions over whether a kid remixing and uploading a song to YouTube would be slapped with a $500 fine. I think they know they are vulnerable on this: Vernier suddenly developed a hearing problem and Prentice was a bot, repeating carefully scripted talking points. Watch the video, it's quite amusing: http://tinyurl.com/3zvmjn

    Let me assure you, while Canadians are mostly passive, people will hold this one against the government Some of you may remember when there was that outrage over Rogers Cable's negative-option billing scheme. The lesson that all governments should heed is that it's not wise to mess with a Canadian's media. :)

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    1. Re:This bill is not designed to pass by Jabrwock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The bill still has to go through committee (LOL that will be fun) and back to the house It's timing is designed to avoid going to committee. By scheduling the 2nd reading for the fall, they force the committee meetings to be during the summer, when everyone's on break.

      So it will hit it's 2nd reading before anyone has a chance to discuss it. As for the senate, Harper will just attach it to an appropriations bill, and voila! Instant confidence motion, which means the Liberals will let it pass...
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  19. What's a device and what can I do with it? by davegravy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the new bill would allow consumers to make one copy of each item per device owned, such as a computer or MP3 player. What's the definition of a device? Is a CD a device? Is a hard drive a device? Is a usb key a device? After a copy has been made and exists on a device, can the device be legally in the possession of another person (on loan, indefinitely?)
  20. Speak out! by Atticka · · Score: 5, Informative

    Geist has a page dedicated to "The Canadian DMCA: What You Can Do"

    here it is:
    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2431/125/

    Enjoy!

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  21. Re:Canada, eh? by rdradar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Finland, the country with miss finland decicing about school and copy protection stuff (dunno how they are relevant), already has exactly like this. You are not allowed to circumvent copy protection for any use, and you are not even allowed to discuss the methods or spread software that can do it.

    That women who has been pushing it (Tanja Karpela) is quite a big joke here, and she just blogs about stuff like how our capitol city should get more "for elite only" clothing stores. We're in good hands.

  22. My letter to Jim Prentice by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The American DMCA has many faults, but one of the more serious faults found within is the so-called "anti-circumvention law". This law essentially makes it illegal for Americans to bypass electronic locks, or "DRM", on content they own. Such a law gives unlimited power to content owners, and strips any and all rights from consumers, even rights explicitly laid out in law. This is not a "fair and balanced" approach to copyright.

    Before we pass a similar law here in Canada, we must first ask ourselves what the purpose of such a law would be? The industry groups tell us that these locks are meant to protect against piracy, and that anti-circumvention legislation is therefore required to protect their intellectual property. If the goal is to prevent consumers from copying software, movies, and music, then we need pass no further legislation, for these acts are already illegal in this country (with the obvious exception of the private copying act of 1998). The act of copying such intellectual property is already illegal, and there is little sense in making it "more illegal".

    DRM has extremely dire side effects. DRM stands for "Digital Rights Management", and that's exactly what it does; it controls what rights a consumer does and does not have over the media the consumer has purchased. But these are rights determined by the content provider, not by law, and the revocation of these rights becomes the province of private industry, which has already demonstrated a total disregard for consumer rights.

    For starters, there exists no DRM scheme which does not also generate vendor lock-in as a side effect; music purchased on Apple's iTunes Music Store can only be played on computers running Apple's iTunes software or on Apple's iPod line of portable music players. Some DRM schemes, such as Microsoft's now defunct "PlaysForSure", are lice sensed to multiple manufacturers. However, even though you can buy multiple players from different hardware manufacturers that support PlaysForSure, when purchasing one of these players you are essentially locking yourself into Microsoft's music store.

    Microsoft's PlaysForSure is an excellent example, by the way, of the problems inherent in a DRM scheme, because Microsoft has recently closed its authentication servers down [4]. This means that millions of people who bought music from Microsoft can no longer move that content to new audio players. If these consumers loose their existing audio players, or their players or computers break or are sold, then all of the music these people have purchased - music which they own - will be irretrievably lost. The only option these people have is to buy the media they already own a second time.

    By enshrining digital locks and DRM in law, you ultimately give license to the content industries to write their own laws where copyright is concerned, because any rights given to consumers, even rights given explicitly under law, can be revoked by the application of a digital lock. Rights such as the "first sale doctrine", the ability to enjoy content on the player of your choice, the ability to format shift media from one format to another; all of these are taken away by almost every existing DRM scheme.

    Many DRM schemes, especially in the realm of computer software, do not explicitly enumerate which rights they revoke in a clear and transparent manner to the consumer. Many times consumers are not even aware of the restrictions imposed upon them until they attempt to breach those restrictions. Rarely are consumers trying to breach these restrictions with criminal intent.

    It is also important to point out that most such electronic locks are ultimately pointless; as soon as a single user bypasses the lock and posts the content to the internet, the content can easily be copied by all. Such locks will also always be easy to bypass because, from a technical standpoint, the underlying principal of such a lock is inherently flawed. All DRM schemes are based on encryption. Encryption, at it's most fundamental,

  23. Feeding the trolls by Geof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mainstream media, like 99% of sane adults, care about the economy, taxes, the war in Iraq, health care and pensions.

    Probably 99% of Canadians don't care a whole lot about the war in Iraq. Health care yes, even though we're all covered. But taxes? That's basically what this law is. Allow me to quote Mark Lemley on the faculty of Stanford Law School: "intellectual property is a form of government subsidy". The monopoly protection this law introduces will increase the cost of music, video, computers, cell phones, and so on. So yeah, it's a tax in all but name. But I don't listen to music and I borrow my videos from the library, so the truth is I don't care a whole lot about how much those cost. This law is a whole lot more - and the more is the problem.

    I care about being able to use my computer as a I wish. I care about living in a living, vibrant culture which people can engage in, rather than having it exclusively controlled by American entertainment giants. I care about not having a War on Drugs repeat waged against 90% of the population under the age of 35% for listening to music of all things.

    If people like you spent half as much time actually doing something as you do criticizing those who do (or whining about those who don't) your country and mine would be a whole lot more democratic.

  24. Video casettes only??? by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 4, Informative

    "With respect to audiovisual material such as films, the format-shifting provision would apply only to videocassettes and would not allow you to make copies of material stored on other media, such as DVDs."
    -http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/rp01158e.html

    That's a bit obtuse. Why does it matter what media format the source is on?

    As the bill stands, format shifting from old laser discs or Video-CDs would be illegal. Format shifting DVDs to your video iPod would be illegal (even for the few DVDs without copy protection). Once DVD becomes an obsolete format, it would still be illegal to format shift your content onto more recent media.

    Format shifting music DVDs onto your iPod also would be illegal (which totally sucks).

  25. What about the "media levy" in Canada? by databank · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does the mean the Recording Industry can no longer collect taxes on any and all CD/DVD recordable media once it passes since it'll be completely illegal to record anything for private use?

    If this gets passed, it would mean that the primary use of CD/DVD recordable media would be for data backup purposes of which the Recording Industry has absolutely no involvement and the excuse that the media could be used for private duplication is out the window since it would be illegal to do so.

    I bet the Recording Industry would back off if they knew their "free money" from media cds were cutoff.

  26. Call/mail your MP. Send my letter if you want. by rhpenguin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I posted this on another forum this afternoon.. Though I should paste it here as well.. ---- So, after doing some reading, I learned that our government is back at the Copyright Reform table yet again trying to pass a bill very similar in nature to America's DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). The long and short of it is if this is passed we're going to lose a lot of the freedoms we enjoy with our media today. I suggest you read the proposed changes at the following website: http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/h_rp01157e.html - Recap version http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3570473&Mode=1&Language=E&File=48 - Entire bill Once you've done so, I'm going to bet that you will be angry that our government would heavily favor the big media corporations so heavily in this bill while taking away the rights that we currently enjoy like copying a DVD we own for personal use, etc. I strongly advise you write your MP if you do not support this bill after reading about it. If you need to know who that is or find their contact info, visit the following website: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/HouseOfCommons/MemberByPostalCode.aspx?Menu=HOC The following is the letter I've written. You can feel free to send it, or come up with your own. But I urge you to do something and make your voices heard if you do not support this bill. ------- Greetings, I am usually not one to make waves when it comes to political issues, however this one effects me personally and just about every technology using Canadian. After reading through the "Copyright Reform Process - Fact Sheets" (http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/h_rp01157e.html) I have several issues with your proposals. Below I am going to go through each section of the "Fact Sheet" and state my issues with them. With regards to Format Shifting (http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/rp01158e.html): "With respect to audiovisual material such as films, the format-shifting provision would apply only to videocassettes and would not allow you to make copies of material stored on other media, such as DVDs." This scares me. Looking at this statement, if I understand it correctly, and taking it for face value means that I could not take a DVD that I have purchased and put it on my iPod or other digital media players without breaking the law. It would mean that I'd have to purchase another copy of said film (that I had already purchased on DVD) for the media player of my choice. Having to buy the same thing multiple times does not bode well with me. I work hard for what I own, and do not believe that the laws of this country should dictate how I use it. "You could not circumvent or hack a technological measure (digital lock) to make a copy." This is 100% flawed. 99.9% of commercially produced DVDs have a digital protection on them called CSS and an increasing number of audio discs have content protection on them as well. If I wanted to make a backup of media that I own, that means that I would have to break some kind of Digital Rights Management (DRM) to do so, thus making me a criminal under the law. With regards to the Private Copying Of Music (http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/rp01160e.html): On this page, you mention: "What could be copied? -- You could make a copy of music you have accessed legally onto devices you own and onto media to use with these devices. However, you could not copy music you have borrowed or rented." Further down the page you mention: "You could not circumvent or hack a technological measure (digital lock) to make the copy." I'm looking at the last ten CDs I've purchased and eight of them mention they have some form of anti-piracy measures on them. So, ev

  27. Re:Canada, eh? by Atrox666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually it was the US government who wrote this legislation and told our government that they will sign it into law or your sleazy country will screw us over on trade worse than they already do.

    They are already taking the guns away from legal gun owners in record numbers up here.

    Welcome to the police state.

    In true Canadian fashon we will whine and bitch for a bit and then grab our ankles.

    I'd like to see Canada shut down all oil exports to the US until softwood lumber, beef exports and your unwelcome interference in our political system is fixed to our satisfaction. But of course since politicians work for corporations and not voters it will never happen.
    IP rights are supposed to compensate the creative people who contribute to society not corporate profiteers like they do now.

  28. They sold us out by why-is-it · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How much longer before we give up the pretense of being a sovereign nation? Out of economic considerations, our foreign policy is written with US interests in mind, and now the same can be said of our domestic policy. We have a branch plan economy, and now a branch-plant government. I know it has been that way for some time, but previous governments at least tried to give the appearance of being a little independent from time to time. I guess with Tony Blair retired and John Howard defeated, Steven Harper has chosen to make his move and become the US' new bitch^H^H^H^H^Hbest friend.

    OK, that is perhaps a tad over-dramatic, but it is clear that this proposed law was not written with my best interests at heart. The same cannot be said of the US-based media cartels who probably had more to do with the authoring of the bill than any particular civil servant or party hack.

    I would like for the opposition to show some spine and vote this bill down, but I doubt that will happen. The Liberals have abstained from so many votes on issues they claim to be fundamentally opposed in order to not cause an election. As a result, I do not believe that they have the moral authority to vote down government legislation until after the next election.

    It's not like the Liberals would have done anything different - this legislation is quite similar to what Sam Bulte was preparing when she had that ministry.

    It sucks when your nation's legislation is written by foreign corporations, for the benefit of foreign corporations - and it really doesn't matter which party introduces it. I fully expect the government to claim that this is a great day for the Canadian consumer and how the enhanced copyright protection will benefit any Canadian shareholders of those foreign media cartels. It probably isn't good politics to tell the voters the truth at the best of times...

    BTW - I wonder if the phrase "public domain" appears even once in this bill which supposedly modernizes and improves copyright?

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  29. Write Jim Prentice by salveque · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also, write Jim Prentice, the proponent of bill C-61, at Prentice.J@parl.gc.ca

  30. Re:I always thought Canada was a great by p0tat03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Canada's governmental system has one advantage over the US: we don't radicalize quickly. Because a government falls if defeated on a major bill, the laws that get tabled generally are much tamer than their American counterparts. This law, sadly, is the exception to the rule.

    Canada is pretty great. I'm currently working in Seattle, but grew up in Vancouver, and despite the similar climate, the culture is worlds apart. People in Canada are just... *nicer*, I have to say. They're more polite, they actually say thank you sometimes... I can't count the number of times the employee across the counter here in Seattle seemed surprised when I thanked them. What's wrong with you people? Seriously, I can't count the number of times people at Starbucks just grab their brew and go, without so much as acknowledging the guy who just made it for you.

  31. Twitter obsessed fools: please note by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

    By now, even twitter's grandmother's dog's fleas know he uses sockpuppets, mission accomplished, let it go. I'm bored to death of whiny people with twitter obsessions. So he uses sock puppets, get over it. No one else cares. Either refute what he says, or leave it alone, it makes you all look even nuttier than twitter himself.

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    1. Re:Twitter obsessed fools: please note by breem42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, I guess you'd get upset if I suggested that 'spun' was one of twitter's pseudonyms...

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    2. Re:Twitter obsessed fools: please note by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, there's no way you could make that accusation stick, I'm too well known here and hated in my own right. :P

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  32. I live in Calgary... by Poisson+the+Fish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... and I think we have to let the Hon. Jim Prentice know what we feel -- not that we're just "thieves" but are genuinely concerned based on losing our technological rights. We shouldn't all have the burden of government believing we're nothing but thieves!

    Are there any other Calgarians who would like to protest this at his office? And with Stampede coming, would anyone like to join me at his pancake breakfast on 5 July -- some place where he can't hide from us?

  33. Re:Canada, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You appear to be vastly overestimating how quickly you can get oil out of Alaska and vastly underestimating how long it would take you can start doing so.

    FYI, Alaska would supply roughly 2% of your usage, and it would take 3 years to start getting that if you started on it right now.

    FYI, Canada currently supplies roughly 12.5% of your oil.

  34. My reply to Prentice's boilerplate email by Silvrmane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thank you for your non-response to my concerns.

    The allowances for copying content for devices we own are rendered null and void for any content medium that contains anti-copying technology, no matter how ineffectual that protection is. This bill would make it illegal for Canadians to archive their DVD collections, put movies they own on their own computers or video devices, illegal to put music on their mp3 players, and more.

    Since when is it the government's business to enforce the failed technological approaches to copy protection by industry? They failed with DVDs, they failed with CDs, and they have failed with the new Blu-Ray discs. So, instead of the onus being on them to either come up with a protection scheme that actually works, or to give up the illusion that there is an actual protection scheme that is unbreakable, they have turned to the government to make bypassing these pathetically weak locks illegal.

    I own the computer and I own the media I have purchased, and the idea of someone hacking their own property is so completely absurd it beggars belief that anyone could have fashioned this legislation.

    Surely with our neighbour to the south playing at becoming a facist police state, our economy under seige from unethical countries that employ prisoners as labour, war around the world, and impurities and diseases in our food supply, the government has better things to worry about than what we do with music and movies. Get some perspective.

    I will not be voting Conservative in the next election, which I hope is very very soon.

  35. Got this same email today by hysma · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No kidding, eh. Our Ministers are always looking out for us with this great legislation that will protect our rights!

    It seems they got my email address from an email I sent them about this issue via http://www.onlinerights.ca/

    When I sent that email I was actually surprised to receive a personal reply from my local MP himself. It took a few weeks, but I did hear back with some of the things he's been doing and where he stands on the issue.

  36. Re:Drawing Fire by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I may not agree with your politics, but I admire your ethics.

    Rather than abstaining, you might want to consider "parking" your vote with the Greens. The North American species is a lot less socialist than the European one. And depending on the riding, you might throw a good screwing into any one of the major parties. If you look at the last three by-elections, the Greens took votes primarily from a different party two of the three ridings, and picked up a little from each in the third. (I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think I'm remembering properly.

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  37. RE: technological measures by phillipsjk256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After about an hour, I realised that the "technological measure" definition probably refers to the "effective technological measures" described in the 1997 WIPO treaty.

    Article 11: Obligations concerning Technological Measures

    The existence of legal protection for "effective Technological Measures" does not necessarily imply any actually exist. Technological Measures MUST be effective for legal protection, otherwise, it would be impossible to know if you are circumventing them.

    Regards,

    James Phillips