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The Life and Times of Buckminster Fuller

The New Yorker features a review of the life and work of R. Buckminster Fuller, on the occasion of a retrospective exhibition in New York 25 years after his death. Fuller was a deeply strange man. He documented his life so thoroughly (in the "Dymaxion Chronofile," which had grown to over 200K pages by his death) that biographers have had trouble putting their fingers on what, exactly, Fuller's contribution to civilization had been. The review quotes Stewart Brand's resignation from the cult of the Fuller Dome (in 1994): "Domes leaked, always. The angles between the facets could never be sealed successfully. If you gave up and tried to shingle the whole damn thing — dangerous process, ugly result — the nearly horizontal shingles on top still took in water. The inside was basically one big room, impossible to subdivide, with too much space wasted up high. The shape made it a whispering gallery that broadcast private sounds to everyone." From the article: "Fuller's schemes often had the hallucinatory quality associated with science fiction (or mental hospitals). It concerned him not in the least that things had always been done a certain way in the past... He was a material determinist who believed in radical autonomy, an individualist who extolled mass production, and an environmentalist who wanted to dome over the Arctic. In the end, Fuller's greatest accomplishment may consist not in any particular idea or artifact but in the whole unlikely experiment that was Guinea Pig B [which is how Fuller referred to himself]."

203 comments

  1. Sounds a bit like Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Genius, no doubt, but likely to never be full understood.

    1. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds a bit like Tesla...Genius, no doubt, but likely to never be full understood.

      I'd say that comparison is a little unfair to Tesla. Tesla seems nutty, but largely because he was exploring and defining the cutting edge of the science of electricity. Conversely, Fuller seems nutty simply because he was a freakin' nut.
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    2. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Naw Tesla was a briliant man that became a nutcase. Bucky was mostly a con man. He sold dreams and people bought them.
      Bucky was in the classic words of Douglas Adams, "mostly harmless"
      Not the worst way to be remembered.

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    3. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Degrees · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I went to a talk given by Buckminster Fuller. He was pretty happy that a short time before, some chemists had indeed figured out *how* to craft a buckyball. (They hadn't yet, but had formulated the process). Anyway, he showed off a model of a structure he invented. He created (and showed) a sphere built of sticks and joints held together by tension (not compression). In other words, even when you pressed on it, it redistributed the load via tension.

      You may think him a nut, but he did have some engineering talent beyond the norm.

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    4. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by digital19 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dymaxion car was actually w-a-y ahead of its time. It got 30 mpg in 1933.

      When you look at only one invention of his, it's easy to tear apart... But when you study the breadth of his work, including his piercing insight in to globalization... I think scientists should be more like Fuller. Overspecialization has made our culture perfect, but very boring.

    5. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by backdoorstudent · · Score: 5, Informative
    6. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by backdoorstudent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's also how a spoked wheel works so it was nothing new in terms of engineering.

    7. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by belthize · · Score: 2, Interesting


            That's not a very good metric. A Model-T in 1908 got 25MPG. The Dymaxion was pretty light. The fabric roof was great on weight but kind of rough in a roll over.

            Improvements in fuel efficiency have sadly gone to making bigger, heavier vehicles. For some reason 25MPG seems to be the 'target'.

      Belthize
      ps: Wikipedia seems to think 30MPG was unheard of '33. Not sure I buy that and of course there's no source.

    8. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by digital19 · · Score: 1

      13 to 21mpg

    9. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You may think him a nut, but he did have some engineering talent beyond the norm.

      Given that his first model of a geodesic dome collapsed under its own weight, I'd say it's more likely the engineering "talent" behind its design was chance, in that he happened to discover an interesting 3D geometric pattern. He had no particular knack for engineering. After that first dome collapsed, he tried to claim he intentionally built it too weakly, in order to see where it would fail. No one present was convinced. He imagined his "dymaxion car" would be able to cross any terrain, climb any mountain, and eventually even fly. He had no idea how this would happen, nor did he seem to care--- because he was a "visionary", not an engineer. The guy invented his own map geometry that avoided the use of pi because he found the indeterminate nature of pi "unsatisfying". A distaste for the facts of mathematics is not a trait found in engineers. No, he wasn't an engineer by any stretch of the definition of the word. The guy was a salesman, and what he sold was enthusiasm. He made most of his money on the lecture circuit, which he then blew on his harebrained "Dymaxion" crap, which lost money but generated "buzz", which drew people to his lectures. Good work if you can get it, but he was no engineer.
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    10. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FTA: "instead of finding a job, [BF] took to spending his days in the library, reading Gandhi and Leonardo."

      We need more people like this. I'm not saying that it would be a good thing if everyone were like this, but we do need more dream sellers.

      If nothing else, they make the world less boring.

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    11. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by ebusinessmedia1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And you probably weren't even born when Fuller was inventing up a storm. He was a genius, period. WAY ahead of his time, and STILL ahead of his time. I had the good fortune to hear Fuller speak when I was in grad school; he was in his early 80's. He walked on to a stage with a small folding chair and weighed in on everything from physics to the environment, and everything in between for THREE HOURS! He didn't repeat one idea; he connected everything. To this day, I have NEVER been exposed to that kind of genius. He was otherworldly - a true Renaissance man.

    12. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by dodecalogue · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're forgetting a key aspect of where a lot of his charm comes from, and that was that he failed out of Harvard twice. Not so great on its own, but when you realize that he went on anyhow to think and think and think and think, and write about it, he becomes a great inspiration to those of us who lack the means to even be thrown out of Harvard once.

    13. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by LaskoVortex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Sounds a bit like Tesla"

      Tesla was a true genius who invented useful devices. Tesla's inventions were grounded in sound scientific observation. BMF was profusely but marginally imaginitive and stumbled on a natural geometry found in viral capsids and clathyrin. Somehow he is credited with inventing this geometry, which is an absurd accreditation. There is no reasonable comparison between the two individuals.

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    14. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please understand I truly mean no malicious disrespect, and do know that each is entitiled to their opinions. But I can't beleive that you would go so far as to insult a man of Mr. Fuller's calibre in such a way, unless you were almost entirely unfamiliar with his work. I think people in general would likely be more tolerant of differing opinions, if it were the safe to assume a person's opinions were well informed and reasonably considered.
      Mind you, I'll be the first to say that ol' Bucky was a strange one, no doubt! But if you actually read more of his theories than what gets published in the Science & Technology columns of our daily newspapers, t.v./radio news shows - and even PBS these days! it isn't difficult to see why he has so long been considered a "nut" with fantastic and unattainable solutions to the problems facing modern mankind. Read his research, yeah - the technical stuff, where all the math is there for your examination ( if you can follow it, I can't ). Or check out some his philosophical musings, or his poetry. Read his essays on sustainable living, or education, or poverty. Do a bit of research into his life and work - don't worry, you won't have to look far and it won't require that much effort. It suddenly becomes obvious that there is a reason modern science finds cause for naming breakthrough discoveries after him ( think "Bucky Balls", or "Fullerenes"). We are only now beginning to catch up to Fuller on the front-line of modern science, and with increasing frequency, scientists find themselves re-examing some of Fuller's more "fantastic" propositions for the global community we have suddenly become. Incidentally, and anyone should please correct my poor memory in stating the facts, but I believe the biggest reason we don't see more of Buckminster's work in common use today can be explained by the following anecdote: Mr. Fuller was invited to attend some International Congress on the State of the World in General, the primary focus of which was to brainstorm ideas on how to raise the standard of living worldwide, bringing those conditions in third-world nations up to those standards enjoyed by those of us in wealthier nations. Mr. Fuller presented the congress with a complete blueprint of how to provide every person on the planet with not only the essentials of modern life (food,water,shelter,electricity,etc.), but a plan that would raise the standard of living worldwide beyond anything most of us have experienced and had shown how in so doing, economic concerns would be moot. In essence, the cost would be of no consequence since no one's standard of living would be impacted. He was adamant about implementing his plan to provide electricity and communication to every corner of the habitable world. After the congress reviewed Mr. Fuller's proposal and given it a brief obligatory consideration, they rejected the plan on the basis of economic feasibility...it would cost too much. I cannon recall the source, either. My apologies. If for nothing more than your tolerance of Tesla's theories, and knowing of the intolerance he was shown by contemporaries. Take a closer look at R. Buckminster Fuller. The man was anything but a nut, and is proving to be more credible an innovator than Tesla.

    15. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      We have plenty of them. Most of them are crackpots without a snowball's chance in hell of actually bringing anything worthwhile forward.

      The difference here is that we had a dreamer who had a brain, instead of the usual Perpetual Motion 'inventors'.

      Granted, he didn't appear to always use it, but he was able to use it to turn his random thoughts into interesting ideas pretty consitently.

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    16. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by fireboy1919 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Given that his first model of a geodesic dome collapsed under its own weight...

      As did the second. The third one burned down, fell over, and then collapsed under its own weight.

      But the fourth one stayed up, and that's what we have now: the strongest dome in all England.

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    17. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, how dare he take credit for God's design!

    18. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by nexttech · · Score: 1

      BMF and Tesla were both true geniuses who were not afraid to fail. Show me someone today who has that quality.

    19. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also how a spoked wheel works so it was nothing new in terms of engineering.

      The basic calculations for stealth technology predate the development of stealth aircraft SIGNIFICANTLY because there wasn't enough available computer time, and the initial stealth aircraft were angular not because it's necessary for stealth but because the computations are dramatically simpler that way. Does that mean that modern stealth aircraft are nothing new in terms of engineering? Let's face it, progress is iterative.

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    20. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by anomalous+cohort · · Score: 1

      I, too, was influenced by this visionary when I was in college.

    21. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say that enthusiasm, unconventional thinking, salesmanship, and a reach to exceed one's grasp are traits that enginners should develop, not disparage.

    22. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if it's engineering so much as art and/or marketing. He created a movement. It's not clear that it was well advised, but people went for it.

    23. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      I'd say that enthusiasm, unconventional thinking, salesmanship, and a reach to exceed one's grasp are traits that enginners should develop, not disparage.

      I never disparaged them. I just said that they do not an engineer make. And Fuller was no engineer.
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    24. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Degrees · · Score: 1
      You might have a point there. The geodesic dome has the highest ratio of enclosed volume to weight - but is that really engineering? He took an existing idea and expanded on it. It might be more marketing than engineering. I did a little bit of engineering course work in college. Back in the day, computing the loads on beams and pillars (statics) was interesting, but it would have been awful if we didn't have computers. That coursework was definitely engineering. It does look like Mr. Fuller did the math on the chord factors that make up various domes.

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    25. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Degrees · · Score: 1
      Yeah - I don't know. Wikipedia (that infallible font of all things vetted by three panels of experts) says:

      In Geodesic Math and How to Use It Hugh Kenner writes, "Tables of chord factors, containing as they do the essential design information for spherical systems, were for many years guarded like military secrets. As late as 1966, some 3v icosa figures from Popular Science Monthly were all anyone outside the circle of Fuller licensees had to go on." (page 57, 1976 edition)

      I did FORTRAN programs in college doing the whole eigen-vector solutions in statics, and that math definitely qualifies as engineering. It wasn't hard, mind you - it was tedious.

      Anyway, it sounds like Mr. Fuller did do some non-trivial spherical geometry, and then implemented it in wood and metal. Does that make him an engineer? I'm leaning toward "yes".

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    26. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, things don't build themselves. I'm sure engineering work was done for his various creations. Some of it ahead of his time, no doubt. But you can be a great artist (painter), but be completely unable to paint a house without destroying the furniture. His roof leaked, in a house that's probably a hallmark of failure. If I designed a 10TFlop computer that operated on 2W of power, but had to be made of anti-matter...I don't believe anyone would call me a good engineer. In hundreds of years, when magic technology enables that design (with a lot of modifications to fit real technology), I'm still not sure I'd be called a great engineer. Scientist, or artist perhaps, influential thinker...but probably not engineer. I'd have died on the street hungry since I failed to use science or art to solve a practical problem.

      Art on the other hand, is inspirational but totally non-functional. Lots of time and money are spent on it, but you can't buy a painting and expect it to serve any tangible purpose. Having expensive art will not make you creative, or produce a design for you. However, you may be moved or inspired to create something on your own. As an artist, with a very unusual canvas, you could argue he was quite successful.

      Marketing, in the loosest sense is creating and promoting ones own reality and bringing everyone along for it to pay the bills. Similar to art, but a bit more focused on the ROI. It would seem he was successful at that too, although it's probably nothing to be proud of and I don't think it was his intention.

      In the end, it seems like he contributed something to architecture, and inspired people in many other ways. He was a reasonably likeable eccentric. But I'm not sure it's because of he did sound engineering work (maybe he did). He influenced and inspired people, who have actually built successful designs based on his ideas. So maybe he's more of an artist or marketer than an engineer.

      I like the idea that engineering practices can be applied to art, and totally believe that sometimes you have to build something to show the world how it COULD be, even if it doesn't quite work. I general, I like how he thought. But I'm not sure engineering is what his true contribution was.

    27. Re:Sounds a bit like Tesla by List+Lurker · · Score: 1

      i actually met him back in 72-73 as our sci-fi lit class at Orange Coast College (Costa Mesa, CA) hosted a talk by him when he was doing a west coast tour (a year later, i went to UCSB and there was this one house on Del Playa [the beach front street in Isla Vista] that was a geodesic dome-deja vu!) ... one trippy thing i remember was that he asked for an empty class room an hour or so before his talk ... evidently he was into power naps ... he could quickly REM, just about anywhere, for 20 minutes ... he credited his naps for his vitality... very interesting dude he was

  2. Who needs a single contribution... by HitekHobo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when you can have the entire world referring to 'Bucky Balls'.

    That should be enough for any man.

    1. Re:Who needs a single contribution... by FilterMapReduce · · Score: 1

      The only comparable accomplishment was that of Niklaus Wirth, purportedly the namesake of bucky bits.

    2. Re:Who needs a single contribution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God forbid we ever devise a use for them in which they have to touch.

    3. Re:Who needs a single contribution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because then it would fulfill the rule and become gay.

    4. Re:Who needs a single contribution... by wolftone · · Score: 1

      fortune upon login yesterday:

      Niklaus Wirth has lamented that, whereas Europeans pronounce his name correctly (Ni-klows Virt), Americans invariably mangle it into (Nick-les Worth). Which is to say that Europeans call him by name, but Americans call him by value.

    5. Re:Who needs a single contribution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up on the same block as his home where he retired. The Bucky Dome, as we refer to it, is in shambles these days.

      A group of incompetent people took it upon himself to restore his dome, but it sits in utter shambles to this day. The fences are falling over and the place is wrapped in clear plastic. The city can't figure out how to register it as a historic icon.

      So far, since the day he has died, the group has managed to repair about 20 feet of the fence ... but when the entire thing is decaying to the ground and overgrowing with weeds, it doesn't look like much. Something has to be done but control can't be wrestled away from the incompetent group and given to a better co-op authority that can actually make a difference.

      It's really a damn shame.

  3. Cough cough by Aussenseiter · · Score: 5, Funny

    He documented his life so thoroughly (in the "Dymaxion Chronofile," which had grown to over 200K pages by his death) that biographers have had trouble putting their fingers on what, exactly, Fuller's contribution to civilization had been.
    Future historians will note that this trend spiralled upwards, as more and more ceaseless bloggers continued to kick the bucket.
  4. Likely would have been a slashdotter by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given the stuff that I have read about him, he prolly would have fit in nicely with this little place we call Slashdot.

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  5. Hooray for New Yorker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best publication from America. (IMO, of course)

    1. Re:Hooray for New Yorker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second, behind New York Review of Books.

  6. A great self-promoter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    A great self-promoter. He made no contribution to civilization that I could ever see.

  7. hallucinatory? by eclectro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe he was prophet, giving us a car that by today's standard would have been fantastic on gas mileage back in 1933. We're all gonna be using three wheels soon when we have to try to get gas at Bartertown

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    1. Re:hallucinatory? by maxume · · Score: 1

      If we get to the point of Bartertown, a few of us are going to be hoping to find food, not all of us going to get gas.

      The good news is that we aren't going to get to the point of Bartertown before any of us die. Take a look at the amount of coal and natural gas available if you think I am crazy.

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    2. Re:hallucinatory? by JulianConrad · · Score: 1

      The price of oil collapsed during the Depression so that you could buy a barrel of the stuff for two bits or so at one time. Fuel efficiency was the least of people's worries back then.

    3. Re:hallucinatory? by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Who runs Barter Town?

      Bucky runs Barter Town!

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    4. Re:hallucinatory? by eclectro · · Score: 1

      Well, there does seem to be "bubble" economics at work here. Many market analysts say that the price of oil is the result of demand. But I can't help but think what would happen if nations subsidizing oil were to raise their prices. Demand destruction would take place (at a greater rate), but OPEC would lower their oil output to keep prices high.

      It's true fuel efficiency was not the worry back then, but the design goals that lead to it are the same.

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    5. Re:hallucinatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Since the guys who run OPEC also own most of your banking system and service industries, they have an interest in keeping your economy strong.

      If they did not, the dollar would have collapsed years ago to the true market rate (about 8 bucks to the pound, or 6 bucks to the Euro).

      Trouble is, when the Saudis decide to bail out, you'll be fucked, and there's nothing you can do about it.

  8. Whitney show by virgil_disgr4ce · · Score: 1

    I'll see y'all fellow New Yorkers at the opening of the Whitney show! :D

  9. Buckminster Fuller... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter, is that you?

  10. Wait a second.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bucky balls? I am disgusted at myself for recognizing the name....I thought I had forgotten everything I "learned" in high school....

  11. R. Buckminster Fullofhimself! by throatmonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is the conclusion I came to after trying to read "Critical Path."

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    1. Re:R. Buckminster Fullofhimself! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative

      R. Buckminster Fullofhimself!...is the conclusion I came to after trying to read "Critical Path."

      Whoever modded the above "flamebait" has obviously never tried to read Critical Path.... or if they have, they're overly impressed with hyphenated nonsense words.
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    2. Re:R. Buckminster Fullofhimself! by Xyrus · · Score: 4, Funny

      That is the response I usually expect from a self-zeigleblantamous spurion migitar-analphlaxis.

      ~X~

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    3. Re:R. Buckminster Fullofhimself! by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      Cromulate thyself, pseud!

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    4. Re:R. Buckminster Fullofhimself! by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 1

      What the hell does "response" mean?

      (Family Guy Reference)

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  12. Neat by ThinkOfaNumber · · Score: 0

    For the article-reading-challenged:

    One of Buckminster Fuller's earliest inventions was a car shaped like a blimp. The car had three wheels-two up front, one in the back-and a periscope instead of a rear window. Owing to its unusual design, it could be maneuvered into a parking space nose first and could execute a hundred-and-eighty-degree turn so tightly that it would end up practically where it had started, facing the opposite direction. In Bridgeport, Connecticut, where the car was introduced in the summer of 1933, it caused such a sensation that gridlock followed, and anxious drivers implored Fuller to keep it off the streets at rush hour.

    Fuller called his invention the Dymaxion Vehicle. He believed that it would not just revolutionize automaking but help bring about a wholesale reordering of modern life. Soon, Fuller thought, people would be living in standardized, prefabricated dwellings, and this, in turn, would allow them to occupy regions previously considered uninhabitable-the Arctic, the Sahara, the tops of mountains. The Dymaxion Vehicle would carry them to their new homes; it would be capable of travelling on the roughest roads and-once the technology for the requisite engines had been worked out-it would also (somehow) be able to fly. Fuller envisioned the Dymaxion taking off almost vertically, like a duck.

    I for one hail our Dymaxion driving, geodesic dome dwelling overlords...
    1. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hmmm, sorta sounds like the Segway

    2. Re:Neat by RuBLed · · Score: 1

      Nah... Sounds like a witch! Burnnnn it!

    3. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That Dymaxion vehicle supposedly had a top speed of 120mph, got 30mpg, and could carry up to eleven passengers. If that's true, then it was simply amazing. Of course, it looked a bit like a bullet (read: silly) so Americans would never go for it unless gas got up to like $5/gal, but let's face it'll never go that high :). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car

    4. Re:Neat by waldo2020 · · Score: 0

      not to mention that it was inherently unstable, people died in crashes in that stupid thing!

    5. Re:Neat by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Of the prototypes, one remains that flipped and had killed its driver, injuring its passengers. Read it at Wired, I believe. People have been making this design subsequently for years, Morgan, Messershmitt and others. The specs above aren't quite correct, but the design had other flaws, as many of BM's did. Nonetheless, an inspirational thinker.

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    6. Re:Neat by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 1

      He did say duck didn't he?

      This B Fuller sure sounds like an interesting character. It seems that he was an idea man that was not fully informed of physics. Wonder what he might have done had he finished his studies at college?

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    7. Re:Neat by Turfoil · · Score: 1

      i was at a museum not long ago that had a dymaxion house, it was a round pre-fab made of aluminum with windows all around. goofy looking thing, like a ufo, and had some bizarre space-saving tricks.

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    8. Re:Neat by fotoguzzi · · Score: 0

      Do you have any more information to conclude that the design was inherently unstable?

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    9. Re:Neat by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wonder what he might have done had he finished his studies at college? He wouldn't have been nearly as successful. It's difficult to maintain your wild flights of fancy on the face of education. When you don't know nuthin', anything seems possible. In fact, the less someone knows, the more likely they are to treat a given impossibility as trivial to accomplish. No, maintaining your "inner dreamer" is orders of magnitude harder when you truly understand the limitations of the real world. Those few that can--- Steve Wozniak comes to mind--- are the true precious gems of society. Gas bags like Bucky Fuller are just a circus sideshow.
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    10. Re:Neat by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 1

      not to mention that it was inherently unstable, people died in crashes in that stupid thing!
      Because nobody ever dies in crashes in conventional cars.
    11. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Morgan had been making three wheelers long before 1933. They never used a single steering rear wheel, didn't have the engine in the back or drive the front wheels. The words 'this design' and 'subsequently' don't make a lot of sense.

    12. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those few that can--- Steve Wozniak comes to mind--- are the true precious gems of society.
      I have never quite understood Woz worship. No doubt he was a very capable engineer. But given the particular circumstances that he was in, it seems to me he was more or less just doing his "job" (highly motivated of course by potential financial success). There is nothing in particular that I see stands out as so amazingly brilliant and insightful that some other good engineer wouldn't have and probably did come up with, it's just that you don't hear about them because their companies weren't successful, or the designs were hidden in specialized machines made by big companies, or they were home-brew hobby projects. The 6502 processor was used by many, many projects across industry. Some companies failed, others succeeded, due to marketing and luck factors having little to do with how clever the design was. It just isn't Einstein-level stuff that was scientifically revolutionary. Around 1975, I myself designed, physically built, and programmed a specialized computer for a niche market for only a few hundred dollars, for a startup business that achieved some moderate success. It even had a simple OS and an interpreter for a custom computer language for that niche field, that I wrote in assembly language and had to fit in a very small memory. Judging by Woz-worship standards, there were probably many features of my design that might be considered innovative and brilliant, but I didn't think of them that way; I was only doing my job, part of which was to use various tricks and designs to minimize cost.
    13. Re:Neat by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      I have never quite understood Woz worship. No doubt he was a very capable engineer. But given the particular circumstances that he was in, it seems to me he was more or less just doing his "job"... There is nothing in particular that I see stands out as so amazingly brilliant and insightful... The 6502 processor was used by many, many projects across industry. See, that's the problem with recognizing engineering genius. People attribute engineering genius to B.Fuller simply because he chanced upon the truncated icosahedron shape--- likely due simply to its being a near-enough analog of a sphere in wireframe--- which turned out to have some interesting structural characteristics, none of which the university dropout Fuller anticipated.

      Conversely, people look at the Apple I and ][ and say "big deal; there were a lot of successful small home computers". This is because they, as laymen, just don't have the engineering chops to appreciate what the original Apple line represents. Those with the engineering background to understand, generally have not examined any of his work in detail. First, Woz largely designed the whole thing--- hardware, firmware, and software--- by himself, in a garage. All those other successful computers were team efforts, backed by sizable corporate resources. Second, the designs are practically works of art. Unless you've had to draw up multi-layer circuit schematics yourself, you really can't appreciate the sheer technical genius behind something like the Apple Disk ][ circuit board. Apparently, the "reduced IC count" circuit design he came up with for the Breakout arcade machine was so breathtakingly elegant and intricate that Atari couldn't manufacture it, and had to resort to a partial implementation that used more ICs.
      Granted, Woz never did anything that was as big as the original Apple stuff after that, but really, that's enough! Woz is an engineer's engineer. His golden age was the birth of the personal computer, and few of that time were his equal.

      Judging by Woz-worship standards, there were probably many features of my design that might be considered innovative and brilliant Maybe. Perhaps you are also an engineering genius. The difference is, we don't have several million examples of your design to look at and admire. Don't take my word for it. Pick up a Disk ][ unit off eBay and judge for yourself. If you haven't, you really don't know what the "Woz worship standards" are.

      but I didn't think of them that way; I was only doing my job, part of which was to use various tricks and designs to minimize cost. Well yeah, that's pretty much engineering in a nutshell. It's all a matter of degree, isn't it. Would it have occurred to you to create a soft-sector alignment system for the floppy disk when everyone else was using a complex hard-sector synchronization circuit that watched that hole punched near the center of the disk? Have a look at the Disk ][ circuit board and tell me you could design a similar circuit using no feedthroughs. I consider myself a pretty clever engineer too, but I know I couldn't.
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    14. Re:Neat by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 1

      I loved those old dual Apple ][ floppy disks. They were so fast. Compared to the clunky Floppy drives used by TRSDOS/TRS-80 and later the Commodore Vic/64s (bleah) the Apple disks were computing NIRVANA in 1981.

      Was almost like having a couple mini-hard drives.

      There's a reason Apple hardware is great. Apples are designed and built well.

      Question: Have you EVER seen a bad Apple motherboard? I'm sure they exist but I've never seen one.

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  13. Only idiots say "prolly". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It truly pains me to see someone with capitalization, punctuation, and even grammar turn himself into a blathering idiot by drooling "prolly" all over Slashdot.

    This is neither YouTube nor MySpace; if you want to identify with us, please never say "prolly" again.

    1. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Fluffeh · · Score: 2, Funny

      I write the way I speak, and I do include the word prolly in my vocabulary. I don't write comments to gratify your sense of proper English. Secondly, if you want to be identified with that much, why not post under who you are rather than old man anonymous. Guess you PROLLY don't have the minerals to do that.

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    2. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since you're "fluffeh", it seems that "probableh" would be in your lexicon instead.

      But anonymous troll is correct..."prolly"? Keep using that, let us know how it works out in your career.

    3. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, are we getting paid to post on slashdot? I've been on here since '98 and have yet to get a single check.

    4. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But anonymous troll is correct..."prolly"? Keep using that, let us know how it works out in your career.

      Anonymous trolls are never correct (see my sig) and you should not feed them.

      Many of us are intelligent enough to know that there are times when we need to use proper spelling and grammar, and that this is not critical on slashdot.

      On the other hand, some of us are still more intelligent and know that making yourself look like an uneducated idiot will only endear you to uneducated idiots.

      My point is that while you do have a point, assuming that someone makes themselves look like an idiot in their work in the same way that they make themselves look like an idiot when they play is not safe. The safe assumption is that he will demonstrate his stupidity in other ways :) However, his employers may not be intelligent enough to recognize them...

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    5. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      I use prolly often in conversation and in text. If I feel the need to be more accurate in my syntax I use probability, which is understood to a better degree than probably. Most people are more likely to equate probably with "might" or "suppose" or some other undeterministic value of "possible." As such, prolly is as good as any other word. oppr dost thou still persist in using the olde tyme spellings?

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    6. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have every right to leave out random syllables; we have every right to look down on you for doing so.

    7. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      Although I get that it's shorter to type "prolly", I haven't heard this in day to day speech. Perhaps this is a geographical thing.. where do you guys live that this is common speech ? .. serious question, not putting it down.

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    8. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      I live in denver, although i have heard it used on the west coast as well. more often I hear people pronunce it "probly," but saying that way never quite rolled off my tongue.

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    9. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      Wow, that was chock full 'o typos, wasn't it? Building services better fix the AC over here soon...

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    10. Re:Only idiots say "prolly". by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      Actually, my career is going along very nicely. I am in a project management role in a multinational and thus far have beaming reviews from both my business customers and my development teams.

      I really don't get what the fuss is. When heading to work, I put on a shirt and tie, when I am at home on the weekend I am in cargos and a T. Why do do people get their knickers in a twist when others relax a little and let their hair out - or in this case, let the language used change from formal and proper to colloquial and casual?

      Slashdot is supposed to be a place of peers and where a geek can feel at home. Honestly. I feel quite sorry for people that cannot imagine someone may reserve slightly different communication for somewhat different audiences :)

      Are "smileys" okay or would they also undermine my apparent need for professionalism on a slashdot comment?

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  14. Cloud Cities by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to admit, I've always wanted a city in the clouds, it would probably even be doable. Of course, some jackass will shoot it out of the sky before you can blink. I think that may be the problem with a lot of his ideas - they assume people have good will at heart.

    1. Re:Cloud Cities by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

      Naw, you just need Lando Calrissian to manage it properly. He'll bitch but I hear that he's pretty good at that sort of thing.

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    2. Re:Cloud Cities by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, I've always wanted a city in the clouds, it would probably even be doable. And I've always wanted a ring habitat around a distant star. I guess we all have to make concessions :(

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    3. Re:Cloud Cities by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      Just move to any suitably high altitude place. You are bound to spend at least some of your time in the clouds, whilst still remaining firmly grounded. By the way, clouds aren't that exciting to be in: they are just cold and damp and obstruct your vision.

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  15. He was just a little early, that's all. by ScentCone · · Score: 0

    He believed that it would not just revolutionize automaking but help bring about a wholesale reordering of modern life

    It was the Segway that actually changed civilization.

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  16. "Spaceship Earth" - ahead of the green movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    He was a genius. He had a way of understanding three-
    dimensional structures that no one had before, and that
    no one else may ever again. Really.

    He was a visionary. He had millions of ideas, and they were
    all solutions to real problems. I guess that makes him an
    engineer as well.

    And yes, he was certainly green ahead of the new green trend.

    1. Re:"Spaceship Earth" - ahead of the green movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He had a thousand ideas, you might have heard his name
      He lived alone with his vision
      Not looking for fortune or fame
      Never said too much to speak of
      He was off on another plane
      The words that he said were a mystery
      Nobody's sure he was sane

      But he knew, he knew more than me or you
      No one could see his view, Oh where was he going to

      He was in search of an answer
      The nature of what we are
      He was trying to do it a new way
      He was bright as a star
      But nobody understood him
      "His numbers are not the way"
      He's lost in the deepest enigma
      Which no one's unraveled today

      But he knew, he knew more than me or you
      No one could see his view, Oh where was he going to
      And he tried, but before he could tell us he died
      When he left us the people cried,
      Oh where was he going to?

      He had a different idea
      A glimpse of the master plan
      He could see into the future
      A true visionary man
      But there's something he never told us
      It died when he went away
      If only he could have been with us
      No telling what he might say

      But he knew, he knew more than me or you
      No one could see his view
      Oh, where was he going to
      But he knew, you could tell by the picture he drew
      It was totally something new,
      Oh where was he going to?

  17. Re:Part contributor, part crazy person by maxume · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's a really strange take on Einstein. I would suggest (unless I am hopeless misinformed) that you look into what he meant when he said that god didn't play dice, you may be pleasantly surprised.

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  18. They 'd find his influence if they read his books by museumpeace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a bunch of wusses in NY who couldn't build a dog house don't impress me much as critics. I will have to RTFA to see if they completely missed his most important influence. As a kid in high school I read Spaceship Earth. That was mid '60s, a world most of you won't remember but be assured...nobody had heard of peak oil or cared much about gas mileage. I have pretty much been for greener and less wasteful ways of doing things ever since.

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  19. The Bucky Ball Globe by wylacot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If anybody wants a small sample of Bucky's genius, museum stores often sell die-cut sheets of paper which, when assembled, form a dodecahedral globe. This model is the "Fuller Projection", a more accurate representation of the world where landmasses more closely resemble their actual sizes (that is, Greenland is not as large as South America).

    I think what's more interesting about the globe is how the continents are laid out on the die-cut paper. Real relationships between continents are "duh" obvious to viewers because it's clear how people would travel from one part of the world to another (or not). It all comes together when you assemble the globe. They're cheap, so buy two.

    I had the great privilege to drive his Honda Accord (he was a spokesperson for Honda in the 70s, I think) with a relative of his across the country in 1979 or 1980 and had a chance to meet him and talk with him. The experience was transformative and motivational for me, and gave me more direction in life.

    The above paragraph may sound mushy and corny, but apparently the curators of the Whitney seem to agree with some of my sentiments. And they're harder sells than a 23-year-old.

    1. Re:The Bucky Ball Globe by brentyl2 · · Score: 1

      Here's one, courtesy of the NOAA: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/dodecahedron.pdf.

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    2. Re:The Bucky Ball Globe by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      If you're willing to put a little more work into it, there are others as well.

      http://flickr.com/photos/99188631@N00/128731804/ created theirs from a wikipedia article, adding their own tabs.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_projection is the article he got it from, which also has an SVG

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    3. Re:The Bucky Ball Globe by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      I recently ordered one of these maps for my office. I'm still waiting to get it framed, so it's not hanging yet, but it is a nice projection.

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    4. Re:The Bucky Ball Globe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that's not the same as the Dymaxion Projection. Similar concept, but totally different execution.

    5. Re:The Bucky Ball Globe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anybody wants a small sample of Bucky's genius, museum stores often sell die-cut sheets of paper which, when assembled, form a dodecahedral globe. This model is the "Fuller Projection", a more accurate representation of the world where landmasses more closely resemble their actual sizes (that is, Greenland is not as large as South America).

      If the thing forms a globe, then it isn't a "projection," and a spherical globe would be a much more accurate representation than a dodecahedron. If it's a projection, then there are any number of map projections that preserve the accuracy of different attributes, depending on which ones are important for your purposes.

      Look, the guy might have done all sorts of neat things, but a new map projection is by far the least of them.

  20. Tacoma Dome by Itninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can't say I would want a bucky ball as a personal home either, and frankly, am confused as to why anyone would even think a geodesic dome would work for such. However the Tacoma Dome in Washington State is a geodesic dome and works very well as an arena. No leaks or anything. Don't blame the design man... ;-)

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    1. Re:Tacoma Dome by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      That will never be as cool as this. Biggest dome in the whole wide world

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    2. Re:Tacoma Dome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      According to the Wikipedia article you referred to, the Tacoma Dome is in fact not a geodesic dome but "a planar radian structure of glue-laminated beams".

    3. Re:Tacoma Dome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the fact they are the only earthquake proof structure? They ride ontop of the movement and can't collapse even in better than 9.0 earthquakes. Also the concrete ones work quite well. There are several companies making them and they have a 4000 year plus life expectancy. If they are maintained properly they should last several times that. Sorry they aren't boring ranch houses but there are advantages that offset the space usage issues.

    4. Re:Tacoma Dome by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      However the Tacoma Dome in Washington State is a geodesic dome
      Er, sorry to burst your bub^h^h^h dome, but if you look at the picture (and read the Wikipedia article you're linking to), the Tacoma Dome is clearly not a Schwelder dome... (Not to imply that Schwelder have the magic touch that doesn't leak -- it's really just a question of design and workmanship).
    5. Re:Tacoma Dome by TheLink · · Score: 1

      In the article, that sentence refers to the Superior Dome, not the Tacoma Dome.

      And the Superior Dome wikipedia article contradicts the Tacoma Dome article by claiming the Superior Dome is a geodesic dome.

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    6. Re:Tacoma Dome by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Why are you talking about "Schwelder domes"? Geodesic domes aren't Schwedler domes.

      References:
      http://www.geodesic-dome.co.uk/theory.htm
      http://www.surrey.ac.uk/eng/research/ems/ssrc/intro.htm#taught%20programmes

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    7. Re:Tacoma Dome by flzz · · Score: 1

      I can't say I would want a bucky ball as a personal home either, and frankly, am confused as to why anyone would even think a geodesic dome would work for such. However the Tacoma Dome in Washington State is a geodesic dome and works very well as an arena. No leaks or anything. Don't blame the design man... ;-) Dome homes are actually quite popular, there are several companies that specialize in them http://www.domehome.com/ http://www.naturalspacesdomes.com/ I happen to live in a timberline, been living in it for 14 years now. Leaking is not an issue, and the overall living space is great, extremely efficient heating and cooling wise. The only area where I will agree as far as the articles critiques are concerned is that the structure does make it so you hear things throughout the dome
    8. Re:Tacoma Dome by jerbenn · · Score: 1

      I happen to live in a geodesic dome and have no problems whatsoever. In fact, I enjoy lower utility bills due to the insulation design. Additionally my dome will withstand winds that would make traditional homes crumble. All of the outward facing walls are covered in stone and the domed roof is shingled. No water leaks here.

    9. Re:Tacoma Dome by Now.Imperfect · · Score: 1

      It really doesn't work that well =\

    10. Re:Tacoma Dome by Itninja · · Score: 1

      If you just go directly to the geodesic dome article, it lists the Tacoma Dome as the largest geodesic dome in the US.

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    11. Re:Tacoma Dome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Washington State" is a university. "Washington" is the name of the state which contains it.

    12. Re:Tacoma Dome by Itninja · · Score: 1

      When addressing a diverse (possibly global) audience, always use 'Washington State'. Saying simply 'Washington' leads many to think of Washington D.C.
      But how can a WSU alum remember that when they are still recovering from the drunken parties of yesteryear.

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  21. Re:Part contributor, part crazy person by khayman80 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Einstein's contributions to quantum theory ranged from groundbreaking (e.g. the photoelectric effect) to unintentionally insightful (e.g. entanglement in the EPR paper) to playing a vital role as devil's advocate (e.g. Bohr-Einstein debates). Disruptive? I can't say I agree.

    Putting religious beliefs before science? That's something I really don't understand. If there's anything I've learned by reading about Einstein's views on religion, it's that he was the quintessential scientist even in this respect: he didn't subscribe to any known organized religion, but vehemently refused to rule out the existence of god- and found atheists arrogant for doing so. His religious views seem to be somewhere in between pantheistic and agnostic, and I don't see how they affected his scientific work.

    Perhaps you're referring to the famous quote "God does not play dice". I don't think this quote expresses a religious belief as much as it articulates a "gut instinct" about the way the universe worked: that it's fundamentally deterministic. Of course, being Einstein, he had to word it in a deliberately provocative fashion. I think gut instincts have a real place in science- they can often be useful starting points for hypotheses, or used to guide an investigation in a direction that one only grasps subconsciously at first. The only real restriction is that one needs to be able to recognize when experimental evidence has proven one's gut instincts wrong. I don't think Einstein lived to see this point; local hidden variable theories hadn't been experimentally ruled out by Bell inequality experiments such as the Aspect experiments before he died.

    And I'm not even sure Einstein was thoroughly wrong about the universe being fundamentally deterministic. Even though the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics contains an element of randomness (the very randomness that Einstein railed against), the Everett-Wheeler interpretation says otherwise. The Many Worlds interpretation, as it is often called, asserts that random wave collapse merely looks random from within our own "branch" of a larger wave function that encompasses many universes. If you were somehow able to view the entire wave function, it would look completely deterministic. The only reason we see randomness in quantum "collapse" is because our macroscopic detectors (such as our eyeballs) induce decoherence in quantum states that cause environmentally-induced superselection. (Explaining that sentence in english would take many pages, so if you're curious I suggest you use those words, plus the abbreviation einselection, to do some googling.)

  22. Sealing domes... by zogger · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...is not a problem. Spray foam or ferrocement works just fine. I have helped build and lived in examples of each. As to subdividing for rooms, you can use cables and tensioners (turnbuckles) for the additional floor(s) supports, build from there, with nice drop down or spiral staircases. You can get a variety of living levels then in the same structure, plus suspended walkways and..you name it, use your imagination, it's slick. They make very nice living structures. They are *much* stronger than 90 degree flat square stick frame construction (which is actually about the weakest joints you can make, it is just easier, that is why it is done so much).

    1. Re:Sealing domes... by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Got any pictures or blueprints? I've been interested in building a dome for years now. Never saw one with suspended walkways, but it sounds awesome.

    2. Re:Sealing domes... by zogger · · Score: 1

      Nope, this was way back in yonder hippie corn-mune daze. The tech is better now though, just google around dome homes, monolithic domes, like that. Ferrocement is an interesting building technique, albeit a PITA because you should do it all at once, you need a lot of helpers and beer for the fast plastering, even if using a sprayer. It is concrete or your choice of mud applied over mesh reinforced with rebar. It doesn't need to be thick but once it cures well it is very strong, and it is unlike say building with blocks, it is all one piece. Domes can be built with a variety of methods, the simplest is just a ton of precision cutting of lumber, I think you can find that online. I think if you are going to attempt it, start out small like shed sized or one small cabin sized before attempting a decent house sized.

      There are a lot of neat alternative building methods over stick frame, rammed earth, cordwood masonry(google for that, many good pics on the web, it is real pretty and strong, the walls are so thick nothing else is needed for insulation), using HUGE logs and only a few of them instead of many smaller ones for log construction (that is a Scandinavian technique, they are grooved to lock together and moss inserted, some are now up for hundreds of years), steel arch (pretty common for barns and etc, the old "quonset hut" is an example). I even heard, but have not done it myself yet, of using surplus weather balloons, inflating them, then spraying them with foam, then cutting the doors and windows out. Makes a nice backyard hangout or remote fast cabin thing, allegedly anyway. Let me see, I have also built laid stone and moss and mud "trappers" cabins, you need nothing more than an ax and your hands really. then there's your various earthbermed/semi underground, sort of popular in areas not prone to flooding but still prone to tornadoes, then there's post and beam with tenons and pegs, sort of amish country work, and so on. Humans been building things a long time now, a lot of techniques out there..

      Heck, you can even make stick frame much stronger by not cheaping out on fasteners, using those new "hurriquake" nails (TM) googleable, might have to order them mailorder or something, and a lot of lag bolts and through bolts. Throw a few more hundred dollars with good fasteners at a quarter million dollar house and maybe two more days labor and it is *much* stronger than normal shoot a nail with a nailgun and go away building.

    3. Re:Sealing domes... by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Thanks for all the great info. I've been looking mainly at the Timberline prefabs - a concrete dome looks just horrible to my eye. I was mostly interested in the sort of stuff you've seen inside domes, but I'm really digging the cordwood masonry. It looks great and has a slightly more conventional structure, and is therefore much more likely to fly with the missus =)

  23. Re:Part contributor, part crazy person by mudetroit · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You should honestly go back and investigate Einstein's views and input on both subjects at some point instead of taking one out of context quote as you seem to have done.

  24. Link to print version (no ads, all on one page) by Tetravus · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Link to print version (no ads, all on one page) by anomalous+cohort · · Score: 1

      I liked the NY Times article better.

      I have blogged on this.

  25. Re:They 'd find his influence if they read his boo by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That book should be required reading in all schools. It's out of print, but on the net. Take the time to read.

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  26. Deeply strange? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give it up, kdawson. You *REALLY* shouldn't be an editor here.

  27. The Kurzweil cult is almost rational by comparison by JulianConrad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fuller wasn't the only inventor with a cult following of dubious rationality. Just look at Ray Kurzweil. Though in Kurzweil's favor most of his inventions (1) work; (2) perform useful tasks; and (3) have had some commercial success.

  28. Alternating current works. by JulianConrad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Tesla came up with a technology that made electrical power practical. He got weird in middle age when he ran out of his better ideas and kept trying to find people to give him money.

    1. Re:Alternating current works. by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I seem to recall from one of his biographies that , even in the best times of his life when he wasn't short on money, he had compulsions, such as having to calculate the volume of his food before he ate it, and phobias, such as not being able to touch other people's hair (except perhaps under duress "at gunpoint").

      I'm sure that once he wasn't coming up with novel, and, more importantly, immediately profitable, ideas at a rapid rate, those quirks didn't help him much. I can believe that his mental issues might also have gotten worse once nobody was paying him much mind any more (the transition from scientific/engineering celebrity to obscurity would be hard to deal with I expect), but everything I've ever heard about him indicates he was a weird chap all his life by anybody's measure.

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    2. Re:Alternating current works. by dodecalogue · · Score: 1

      This leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He was probably also weird as an infant. So what? He made some very very important discoveries (Schumann Resonance, radio remote control, the first basic radio patent, ...)

      wikipedia sez: He ripped up a Westinghouse contract that would have made him the world's first billionaire, in part because of the implications it would have on his future vision of free power, and in part because it would run Westinghouse out of business, and Tesla had no desire to deal with the creditors.

    3. Re:Alternating current works. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      phobias, such as not being able to touch other people's hair
      Hardly a debilitating phobia, as I find I can get through most days without touching anyone's hair. Including my own.
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    4. Re:Alternating current works. by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was debilitating, just weird.

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  29. As a resident of three domes by amitofu · · Score: 5, Informative

    We live in three twice-subdivided, spherically extruded gyroelognated pentagonal dipyramids built in 1972. Two of them are stuccoed and one is shingled. They don't leak.

    They're each a single room, one with a pentagonal downstairs. I can't begin to explain how wonderful it is to live in a sphere. I love the geometry and the womb-like feeling. But I hate domes that are mangled and partitioned off like a normal house. You have to let the dome be what it is, if you do it works. And if you can't do that then you need to go with something else.

  30. They's find his influence if Bucky could write. by JulianConrad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of his prose sounds like schizophrenic word salads, with all kinds of unnecessary neologisms that don't convey any information. He reads like a neo-Platonic philosopher on hallucinogens.

    1. Re:They's find his influence if Bucky could write. by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      He reads like a neo-Platonic philosopher on hallucinogens.

      Funny you should mention that. I'm in the middle of Pynchon's Against the Day and am thoroughly loving it. Of course, Pynchon isn't exactly intending his writing to be taken too seriously...

      Case in point:
      This person greeted the Cohen by raising his left hand, then spreading the fingers two and two away from the thumb so as to form the Hebrew letter shin, signifying the initial letter of one of the pre-Mosaic (that is, plural) names of God, which may never be spoken.

      "Basically wishing long life and prosperity," explained the Cohen, answering with the same gesture.

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    2. Re:They's find his influence if Bucky could write. by museumpeace · · Score: 1

      So Hemingway he was not. Neither am I. Maybe I can blame my grammatical train wreck sentences on Bucky! I WAS influenced by him, really!

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  31. bullpucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no true randomness in the universe that I have encountered (and I am a physics grad) only chaos. Chaos looks like randomness to the untrained eye but once you see that all we take as random is only the results of chaotic behaviour (which IS deterministic) then the universe seems a lot less wacky.

    1. Re:bullpucky by symbolset · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is no true randomness in the universe that I have encountered (and I am a physics grad) only chaos.

      That's because by the time you've encountered it, it's in the past and so it's determined. Chaos does deceptively look like randomness. The difference is subtle. It's in the moving present instant that the randomness becomes determined from our point of view. It may be that the determination defines our perspective, you might say. To say that the outcome is predetermined and so there is only one world line requires faith in Fate. That's not scientific, but it's a very old argument that's on point for this discussion. BTW, Everett-Wheeler does not contradict your view. In that theory every possible outcome has a predetermined world-line in which that outcome was Fate. It's just that with Everett-Wheeler all possibilities happen, spawning near-infinite worldlines. To the observer the universe with and without Everett-Wheeler look the same because it is not possible to observe events that have not occurred, yet. Perhaps after we measure the quantum unit of probability this will be possible, but I believe we will just be able to select views of the outcomes we desire and we'll wind up with the Delphi Oracle.

      Personally I'm not a big believer in chaos. Misunderstood order, yes. Chaos not so much. In a multiverse where every outcome is preordained for its particular worldline, chaos goes undefined. Chaos theory, maybe. Is that weird? It's important that Everett-Wheeler be correct for a number of reasons, and certainly I believe it plausible -- but I'm not an anonymous physics grad.

      For some really out-there metaphysics, consider the possibility that observers get to select their worldlines by believing in a particular outcome. A consensus vote of faith might select some outcome for a particular group of observers. This doesn't contradict Everett-Wheeler because for each possible outcome some subset of observers select the resultant worldline. In this philosophy, all things are possible through faith. Which brings us back to the topic of the thread. Perhaps BF wasn't so wacky after all.

      Where in the multiverse is John Titor?

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    2. Re:bullpucky by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Personally I'm not a big believer in chaos. Misunderstood order, yes. This view was shared by David Bohm. Bohm believed that there is no such thing as randomness, only order of a very high degree, so high that it is not recognizable as such at first glance or, possibly, ever.

      An example I came across is that of a random number generator. A decent one will spit out numbers that are indistinguishable from a random sequence. If the RNG is started twice with the same seed it will produce the same sequence, proving that the numbers aren't really random at all. They have a definite order, but it is one that is so convoluted that without more information (such as the source code for the RNG) the order is nearly impossible to discern.

      I'm afraid I haven't explained the idea very well. It's all in Bohm's book Wholeness and the Implicate Order, which also happens to be the foundation of the Holographic Universe theory set. Parts of it are very good, other parts are very dry, and still other parts contain maths that were impenetrable to me but should be transparent (or at least somewhat translucent) to someone with a background in Quantum Mechanics.

      I like Bohm's ideas, but I don't have the intellectual tools to make any sort of claim on their veracity. I do know this: the theory hasn't gained much traction because it's off the wall, but to my knowledge there haven't been any problems pointed out with it either. Consider this a failed exposition on order turned into a shameless plea for more informed people to check out Bohm's ideas =)

  32. What about Buckyballs? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe they leak, too.

    1. Re:What about Buckyballs? by GonzoPhysicist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually they have been found to be rather good for storing helium.

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  33. Re:Part contributor, part crazy person by Scrameustache · · Score: 1, Informative

    Look at Einstein: some cool research, but he was highly disruptive in other areas (eg. quantum mechanics or putting religious beliefs before science). Einstein said a funny quote about randomness, and now all the religious nuts use it to claim him as one of their own.

    As with most things the religious nutters believe, this just doesn't happen to actually be true.

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  34. Not the Dymaxion vehicle's fault? by ThinkOfaNumber · · Score: 2, Informative

    FTA:

    The first prototype of the Dymaxion Vehicle had been on the road for just three months when it crashed, near the entrance to the Chicago World's Fair; the driver was killed, and one of the passengers-a British aviation expert-was seriously injured. Eventually, it was revealed that another car was responsible for the accident, but only two more Dymaxion Vehicles were produced before production was halted, in 1934. Although Wikipedia claims "The cause of the accident was not determined, although Buckminster Fuller reported that the accident was due to the actions of another vehicle that had been closely following the Dymaxion."[1][2]

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car
    [2] http://shl.stanford.edu/Bucky/dymaxion/index.htm

  35. The Synergetics Collaborative and Bucky's legacy by cjfsyntropy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Synergetics Collaborative (http://synergeticists.org/) is building on Bucky's scientific, educational, and design methods and principles which we think may be his largest contribution.

  36. not only that by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but overspecialization also brings lack of innovation, vision, and in general invention.

    just think how frequent were the inventions in the 19th century. if you force yourself, you can see that institutionalization and specialization of new science branches have also brought refinements of earlier discoveries, but decreased the number of discoveries and inventions too.

    we need discovery, inventions. we are sorely lacking them these days.

    1. Re:not only that by oatworm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No we're not. They're just so commonplace now that we take them for granted.

      In the 19th century, we got the internal combustion engine, radio, telephone, railroads, and cars, among other things. In the past 30 years alone, we've sequenced the entire human genome, can make computers pretty much any size you want, can predict weather accurately just about anywhere on the planet up to a week... the list kind of goes on like this. None of that would be possible without some serious inventiveness.

      Keep in mind that there was so little that anybody knew about our world and the universe in 1800 that it really didn't take much to come up with inventions that took advantage of the new knowledge of the time, like electricity and radio waves. Nowadays, new knowledge involves quantum physics or genetic manipulation. I'm sure that, 100 years from now, anything we come up with will seem almost trivial, but keep in mind that it took over 50 years for someone to figure out how a battery worked and what to use one with. Turnaround time on using new discoveries is, for the most part, a little faster these days.

    2. Re:not only that by blahplusplus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also I think the previous parent to which you were responding doesn't understand that as things become MORE complicated, we tend to remix and combine our past inventions with new ones, but the newer ones tend to be even more complex, which takes more time, this is offset somewhat by computers but right now we are OVERLOADED with information. There is so much potential for invention with the internet it's unreal, we're just too slow to realize it all.

      I'm sure in the future inventions and much of science will be automated by computer AI, and scientists will have even less of a roll to play, if ray kurzweil is even moderately right.

    3. Re:not only that by unity100 · · Score: 1

      all of those are inventions and perfections, new meshes of existing discoveries. human genome project is a grandchild of discovery of genetics and dna, railroads are a discovery of internal combustion, computers are still the grandchilds of simple electric current over wire, and sons of transistors. we havent advanced to light based computing for example. this would be an invention, rather than turbo engines being an 'invention' compared to first gasoline engine.

      there is still heaploads of stuff we dont know about our universe. however we are not advancing with the speed we did in 19th century. because science got extremely institutionalized and conservative.

    4. Re:not only that by oatworm · · Score: 1

      Or because all of the low hanging fruit has already been taken. Besides, you can play that game with any of the 19th century discoveries, too. Railroads are the byproduct of advances in metallurgy, which dates back to the start of the Bronze Age. The telegraph is based on research on electricity that dates back to the 18th century.

      Besides, even your hypothetical "inventions" are still based on previous research. Light-based computing? Based on lasers, which, in turn, are based on discoveries that go back as far as Sir Isaac Newton. Besides, electricity travels at the same speed as light, so what's the point? Quantum computing is where it's at, and that's already in the pipeline.

      The reason it feels like we're not advancing as fast as we were in the 19th century is kind of because of a mental form of relativity - the faster your civilization advances, the slower it feels like it's going. The difference between technology and science between 1800 and 1850 is far, far less than the difference between 1900 and 1950, which, in turn, is far less than the difference between 1950 and 2000.

    5. Re:not only that by unity100 · · Score: 1

      Or because all of the low hanging fruit has already been taken. Besides, you can play that game with any of the 19th century discoveries, too. not quite.

      science in late 18th and early 19th centuries were a pastime for aristocracy and upper middle class citizens. chemistry experiments were done in bedroom. it was an era of scientific curiosity and amateurship. this is an ideal circumstance for discoveries, for creativity and curiosity is never stifled by anything.

      as time passed, governments realized that scientific edge actually meant power. research was taken under government control, through universities or through laws that prevented certain stuff or regulations. you cant experiment with advanced chemicals in your backyard no more. similarly, i believe many advanced tools that have been developed with our recent advances in electronics are also held under control of various companies, individuals and government. when something was discovered in early 19th century, it instantly became public domain for humanity's knowledge. today patents are there too, stifling discoveries further due to restricting flow of information.

      Railroads are the byproduct of advances in metallurgy, which dates back to the start of the Bronze Age. The telegraph is based on research on electricity that dates back to the 18th century. analogy doesnt hold. railroads are comparable to steam engines, or boilers, but not to metallurgy.

      Besides, even your hypothetical "inventions" are still based on previous research. Light-based computing? Based on lasers, which, in turn, are based on discoveries that go back as far as Sir Isaac Newton. Besides, electricity travels at the same speed as light, so what's the point? Quantum computing is where it's at, and that's already in the pipeline. light based computing is not a hypothesis, its being researched actively as of now by prominent organizations. some fruits of it is experiments of crystalline storage systems research. and as said, you cant extend the 'based on' that long. there is a rational limit.

      The reason it feels like we're not advancing as fast as we were in the 19th century is kind of because of a mental form of relativity - the faster your civilization advances, the slower it feels like it's going. The difference between technology and science between 1800 and 1850 is far, far less than the difference between 1900 and 1950, which, in turn, is far less than the difference between 1950 and 2000. we are not advancing since 1970s. we are refining. everything we have today are refinements of almost exactly what we had then.
    6. Re:not only that by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      science in late 18th and early 19th centuries were a pastime for aristocracy and upper middle class citizens. chemistry experiments were done in bedroom. it was an era of scientific curiosity and amateurship. this is an ideal circumstance for discoveries, for creativity and curiosity is never stifled by anything. as time passed, governments realized that scientific edge actually meant power. research was taken under government control, through universities or through laws that prevented certain stuff or regulations. you cant experiment with advanced chemicals in your backyard no more. Please. Do you really think there's much you could discover in your backyard with "advanced chemicals"? What are "advanced chemicals" anyway? Seriously, this is where the "low hanging fruit" argument comes in. I doubt you could name a single valid line of inquiry in the field of chemistry that hasn't been experimented to death and published about to within an inch of its life that doesn't involve any piece of equipment more complex than glassware and burners. We've simply passed the point where a diddling amateur with a jar of sulfuric acid and a few rocks can discover anything we don't already know. It's not the government "stifling our creativity", it's the natural progression of knowledge. As new fields open up, they are initially explored by amateurs, who discover the basics, after which further discoveries become increasingly more expensive and difficult. In the 19th and early 20th century it was chemistry and mechanics. Building on that, the late 20th was electronics. Currently we are in the middle of the "amateur computer software" renaissance, building on the well-understood field of electronics. In time, the cutting edge of that too will become the realm of well-financed researchers with advanced equipment, and the next frontier will open up.

      Basically, you just don't know what you're talking about because you have no grasp of the history of science and technology.
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    7. Re:not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can predict weather accurately just about anywhere on the planet up to a week... New England must be one of those places that lies just outside of "just about anywhere." Often, we're lucky if they get tomorrow's weather right. With improvements in technology, they probably get it right a majority of the time, but I wouldn't put it above 60-70%. Last week certainly didn't help their numbers. They predicted rain and we got sun.

      No offense to the forecasters here, of course, it's just difficult because of the multiple influences.

  37. Re:Sometimes a Cigar is not just a Cigar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give it a rest, you moron. Your pet obsession is not wanted here. Get the fuck out.

    (Anonymous because one of your 10 sock-puppets probably has mod points)

  38. Explaining that sentence in english... by symbolset · · Score: 1

    I think you did pretty well, for what that's worth.

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  39. The Domes Work by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been inside two geodesic dome houses, and neither of them leaked, nor were they shingled (which seems like a big pain in the ass completely contrary to the principle of the dome). The residents were very happy with the living conditions, and not just because they were into "science fiction". One had lived in it since the 1970s, and the other had worked pretty hard to get to be the latest resident of one that dated from a few years earlier.

    The interior of the domes had cubical/rectangular rooms built within them, with the spaces between then and the dome structure used for storage, not living space. Nothing stops anyone from hanging floors inside the dome, or hanging walls from the floors. And above 3m high, the top floor can have a dome ceiling. The structure itself is very strong, so you can hang all kinds of stuff off it, like a hot tub on a non-reinforced floor (because it's hanging inside a distributed load webbing, not standing on a compressed pillar). The point is to use a very small amount of material and not have to worry about straining the structure as you do things with it.

    I guess if you're like the hippies who just bought Stewart Brand's _Whole Earth Catalog_ as a conversation piece, a coffeetable book (rather than a book about how to make or do without coffee tables), you would just use a geodesic dome as a conversation piece. You'd fail to clamp plastic sheeting along the joints or caulk the joints properly, but you'd probably do that wrong on your regular old house, too.

    Fuller was a geometer, a mathematician, not a magician. His designs can be executed spectacularly wrong, just as they're spectacularly right when executed right.

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    1. Re:The Domes Work by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

      When properly engineered, a house based on a dome design have these advantages:

      1) They're extremely structurally strong. In fact, a properly-engineered dome house would probably survive a Category 5 hurricane or even an F5 tornado.

      2) They're very energy efficient, often needing substantially lower energy bills to heat and cool the structure.

    2. Re:The Domes Work by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that a pair of domes, one snapping just inside the other, could trap a sheet of plastic between them to seal perfectly at the edges of the facets, and distribute all the loads across the entire microfibrous sheet material as well as the polyhedral structure of the edges. Then vents could be cut in some facets, or sections of the sheet could be porous, starting from a sealed environment and making the desired "leakiness" down from there.

      The sheet could be bands of material, rather than one large sheet, so long as the band is wider than the longest edge of the largest facet. Or even a "shingling" effect with narrower bands that span across a facet that's taller than the band across it is wide, so long as the bands are wrapped from the bottom of the dome up, so the higher rounds overlap on the outside the rounds lower than them, like an ace bandage around a limb. Clamping the strips between the concentric "snaptogether" domes could leave one unclamped edge of the band flanged out from the clamped edge, as "flashing" integrated with the dome that could cover the joint with an "accessory" module that extends out from that edge.

      You'd just erect the first dome, then wrap it in the plastic, then lower the second, slightly larger dome over it to clamp them together with the wrapping trapped in place. Insert extra modules (like and adjacent dome joined at a facet (or a few, sacrificing their few interstitial edges) under any flash flanges, and presto: a sealed dome system.

      I wonder whether domes could be erected quickly and easily enough around buildings for temporary protection from hurricanes, with a day's notice. Do you have citations showing that a 20m dome can survive a Cat5 hurricane (though not a flood or storm surge unless other methods were added to mitigate those effects) or F5 tornado? Would the pressure from the storm possibly leave the dome intact, but turn its contents into a margarita blender? Maybe quick, cheap temporary domes could be deployed after a storm has damaged/destroyed buildings in an area, as quick, strong temporary shelter under which recovery efforts could start safely, or even just protect from further damage (including robbery).

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    3. Re:The Domes Work by nuzak · · Score: 1

      The force from a F5 tornado will lift your indestructable dome house off the foundation and carry it to Oz. The structural integrity of the thing is pretty irrelevant at that point. I do imagine it does pretty well against hurricanes, though it's water that does most of the damage, and domes have a whole LOT of joints to seal.

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    4. Re:The Domes Work by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Didn't I just say properly engineered??

      I've read about homes based on the dome structural design built in Florida that managed to survive quite well in that notorious 2005 hurricane season with nary a scratch--a testament to the potential of such a building to survive this extreme of nature. Check out American Ingenuity's web site (www.aidomes.com) to see why Buckmaster Fuller's vision of a dome home is no longer such a far-fetched idea.

    5. Re:The Domes Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Lord! A Doc Ruby comment sans insanity that I found both interesting and agreed fully with!

      All the lesser demons are surely ice-skating in Hell at this very moment (and it's summer too!).

      Bravo Doc Ruby! Bravo!

  40. The trouble with domes. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Geodesic domes work quite well if built properly from the right materials. They've been protecting big radars in arctic environments since the 1950s, which is an impressive achievement.

    The residential domeheads took a wrong turn when they tried to make small domes out of "natural materials". Trying to shingle a sphere was a terrible idea. Putting together prefab parts is the way to go. Fibreglas works well, but the "Mr. Natural" types didn't like Fibreglas. As Fuller pointed out, domes have to be manufactured products made cheaply, with precision, in quantity.

    There's also a subtle structural problem with domes that wasn't well understood until they could be computer-simulated. The abstract geometry produces a good structure. But in the real world, differential thermal expansion, when the sun is hitting one side of the dome more than the other, produces sizable stresses in the dome, which distorts slighlty. This was one of the major causes of leaks.

    The other major problems come from the fact that domes require a whole range of architectural components specifically designed for them, from electrical conduits to kitchen cabinets to windows. Parts designed for rectangular structures don't fit well.

    1. Re:The trouble with domes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other major problems come from the fact that domes require a whole range of architectural components specifically designed for them, from electrical conduits to kitchen cabinets to windows. Parts designed for rectangular structures don't fit well.

      This is true, but it would be rather difficult to design generic components to fit inside a dome. The great thing about cuboids is that you can stack them or line them up next to each other to fill the space available. There's no equivalent shape available to you if your room is dodecahedral (or part of one). You either have to tailor make your components to a particular size of dome, or accept that some of your space will be unusable.

  41. Re:Part contributor, part crazy person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein if religious at all, was a Spinozan.

  42. This article gives a very distorted view. by RustinHWright · · Score: 5, Informative
    For once I can't respond with a firm RTFA since the FA is fundamentally clueless. Which since it's in a publication with less genuine interest in technology and engineering than Parade Magazine shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

    Fuller's domes may not be The One True Faith that people like Brand wanted but they're still a damn good choice for certain kinds of commercial structures. They also got modern engineers thinking about dynamic load distribution in ways that are very relevant and important now, a time when yurt design, for example, is going high-tech fast.
    Tensegrity Posts are just now starting to be appreciated for the resource-frugal, vastly compressible wonders they are. I guarantee that we'll see more and more variations on this scheme in the coming years in structures that need to be boosted out of the gravity well or simply transported at very low cost in absolutely minimal space.
    Fuller's cardboard versions of his dome worked quite well as temporary structures during World War II. If we had any sense at all we'd be making them now out of modern materials.
    Many of his designs failed in large part for lack of, basically, computing power and, to a lesser degree, modern materials. Done with modern resources they're practical as all get out. You may want to laugh at his two piece steel bathroom but the hundreds of thousands of blowmolded shower enclosures sold every year at places like Home Despot are direct descendents. His cooling approach in the Dymaxion Home was far more sophisticated and resource-savvy than most of the "eco-homes" being built even today. And trust me, I've reviewed the plans of hundreds.

    I agree, Fuller was an obscurantist pain in the ass with some serious delusions. He also got a hell of a lot of useful work done that considerably advanced manufacturing technology, approaches in several branches of engineering, and topology. Where he focused his attention, things advanced. As for his stuff including make-do components, like the famed Ford suspension put on its side in the Dymaxion Car, he made it clear from day one that this was a proof of concept, a proof that, even with make-do parts, carried ten passengers, got over 30 mpg, and turned on its own radius. Go ahead, show me that the first proofs of concept by Burt Rutan or Armadillo Aerospace or OLPC work that well.

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    1. Re:This article gives a very distorted view. by ArieKremen · · Score: 1

      Is that you Rustin?!?

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    2. Re:This article gives a very distorted view. by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

      I certainly hope so. I was when I last looked in my wallet ;-> Nice to see you here on /. Do we get an award for being two of the only people here using our real names?

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    3. Re:This article gives a very distorted view. by ArieKremen · · Score: 1

      It's either the 'Courageous Person of the Year' or the 'Stupidest Person of the Year' Award, although stupidity and courage go often hand-in-hand.

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  43. Re:Part contributor, part crazy person by Omestes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From what I picked up, the "God" who doesn't like dice, is more of the deist personification of natural law, than a best friend in the sky. The same "God" who America's founding father's talked about, and that most Enlightenment philosopher/naturalists referred to. More akin to Aristotle's "unmoved mover", than to the modern Judeo-Christian gray haired old man.

    A metaphorical god, rather than a literal one, would be the most succinct way of putting it, I suppose.

    The Bohr/Einstein debate though, is probably the best anecdote for modern science, still. I took a philosophy of science class that used that as the scaffold to hold up the dynamics of the modern history of science (from Maxwell to the more theoretical modern ideas, like super symmetry and strings), it was truly enlightening, even if Bohr "won" in the end.

    I'm getting sick of both atheists and the self-justifying religious trying to put Einstein on their side. Einstein is probably the most abused scientist ever, we keep remaking him into what we want him, instead of accepting him as who he was.

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  44. twitter? by indi0144 · · Score: 0

    Fuller documented his life every 15 minutes from 1915 to 1983, leaving 80 meters (270 feet) of journals. He called this the Dymaxion Chronofile. That is said to be the most documented human life in history. Pretty ahead for his time.
  45. Stability of the Dymaxion car by RustinHWright · · Score: 3, Informative
    Okay, let's go over this with at least of modicum of clue, shall we?
    A.) The crash you're talking about, as you would know if you'd RTFA, was determined not to be the fault of the car.
    B.) Otoh, the thing was set up, for no sufficient reason, to steer "backwards". Like the rear seat of a fire truck, you steered left to turn right and vice-versa. Fuller liked boats, that's how tillers work, so he built it that way. This did make the car less safe, as drivers complained, but it in no way relates to the fundamental design.
    C.) On yet a third hand, the whole beastie, since it was designed to "take off" at high enough speeds, had a dangerous tendency for the rear wheel to lose touch with the road once the car was moving at any kind of serious slip. This was bad design, no doubt, but again, easy enough to fix and would have been if more had been built.
    D.) Being so lightweight, it tended to be pushed sideways by wind. This would be harder to address but seemed far worse to drivers of the time, used to big honkin' steel contraptions, than it would to, say, modern riders of enclosed bicycles, who have long since figured out ways to deal with this.
    E.) Whatever its flaws, the thing was fantastically maneuverable. Its turning radius makes the average BMW look like a freight train. It was also, as I wrote above, built with cheap salvaged parts for many of the innards that would have been replaced with decent ones if it had ever gone into production. It's not reasonable to compare it to a production car in terms of things like the suspension, which was a total kluge.
    F.) If you want to criticize the Dymaxion car, first read a book like Small Wonder on the creation of the Volkwagen bug. It took over ten frickin' years to get Professor Porsche's original chowderheaded version refined into the car that has now earned such reverence. But like the Dymaxion, his fundamental ideas were good, and those eventually made it great. The difference is that Porsche's team was able to keep going through years of rebuilding, prototyping, and redesign, up to and including inventing new kinds of steel since the unibody design and the suspension couldn't be made with the kinds that existed when Porsche first designed it.

    Get the facts. Otherwise you're just wasting everybody's time.

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    1. Re:Stability of the Dymaxion car by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      The difference is that Porsche's team was able to keep going through years of rebuilding, prototyping, and redesign, up to and including inventing new kinds of steel since the unibody design and the suspension couldn't be made with the kinds that existed when Porsche first designed it. And frankly the Dymaxion looks much like it's more fun.
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    2. Re:Stability of the Dymaxion car by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Of course, being lightweight enough to be moved sideways by wind, the amazing 35 miles per gallon doesn't seem quite as amazing. And since the light weight would be what caused the steering wheel to lose contact with the road, and since the light weight would be caused by using light and unsafe materials (canvas), you would lose the car's one most impressive advantage just by fixing the flaws that makes it too dangerous to use.

      Design is, in most cases, about tradeoffs. It looks to me as if Fuller ditched safety for qualities more suitable for a Sci-Fi film.

    3. Re:Stability of the Dymaxion car by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. Many modern cars and all race cars are light enough to have to face issues of poor surface contact. They don't address that by adding weight; they address that by shifting the aerodynamic profile of the car so that at high speeds the airflow pushes the car down against the road. That's what all those spoilers one sees on high performance cars are for.
      As for "unsafe materials", dude, passengers are best protected by things like a space frame, not by brute force use of heavy materials. And the Dymaxion had, for its time, a very sophisticated frame.

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    4. Re:Stability of the Dymaxion car by chemindefer · · Score: 1
      W.O. Bentley commented that the Porsche (which arose out of the VW) was a "triumph of development over design".

      The Dymaxion was ahead of anything the big automakers were doing, or even trying. The closest they came was the Chrysler Airflow, which was more aerodynamic going backward.

  46. So? Tell us more, please. by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

    Dymaxion house. . . had some bizarre space-saving tricks.

    Such as?

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  47. Pictures? by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

    Your user links don't work. Is there anywhere we can look to find out more about this house you live in? If not, please at least put some images on Flickr. I, for one, would certainly link to them.

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  48. dual-slit single photon experiment FTW by sd.fhasldff · · Score: 1

    The subject really says it all.

    The dual-slit single photon experiment shows an interference pattern on the "wall" behind the two slits (when the "hits" of many photons, one at a time, are summed). The emitter sits in front of the two slits. The place on the wall that any given photon hits is random (with a fixed probability distribution, resulting in the aforementioned interference pattern).

  49. He was just like Ben Franklin..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A waste of space as a scientist, but a cocky self-publicist, and an American.

    We have very few real scientists, and a strong tendency to lie to ourselves about how good we are, probably due to Hollywood. Which other country could have invented 'SuperMan', a mythical magic being who defeats America's enemies?

    So we pretend that any American scientist is amazing, and are then surprised when they turn out not to be...?

  50. B O L L O C K S ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bucky Bollocks, even.

    but [Einstein] vehemently refused to rule out the existence of god- and found atheists arrogant for doing so.
    Wrong. Either you're ignorant or you're altering the facts to support your own worldview.

    If I wasn't an athiest before, reading the bullshit shovelled by people like you make Athiesm seem to be the only sensible option for the sane and intelligent.

    1. Re:B O L L O C K S ! by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Either you're ignorant or you're altering the facts to support your own worldview.

      If I wasn't an athiest before, reading the bullshit shovelled by people like you make Athiesm seem to be the only sensible option for the sane and intelligent.

      At the risk of responding to a troll, I was referring to quotes like the following (taken from http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm ):

      In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, p. 214)
      So now I've shared the sources for my statement. Care to share yours?

      By the way, what makes you think I have a worldview bias? I regard myself as a "teapot atheist" (in the sense that Dawkins uses the term) but I think I'm leaning towards agnosticism simply because I'm committed to following the scientific method in every aspect of my life. In a theological context, that means that I simply can't come to any specific conclusion about god without sufficient evidence. From what I can tell, Einstein and I are pretty much in agreement on this point. (Not that it matters- arguments from authority are weak forms of evidence.)

      On a more personal level, I humbly recommend that you change the tone you use to debate. While it's certainly true that some people do alter facts to fit their worldview (creationists and scientologists are glaring examples, IMHO), it's seldom productive to explicitly point that out. Furthermore, if you fly off the handle at the slightest provocation and hurl that accusation around, people will regard you as "the boy who cried wolf". It's usually more effective to politely ask the person to provide the sources for their statements.

      And, quite frankly, accusing people of "shoveling bullshit" is simply insulting. It's a good thing I'm already a non-theist, otherwise your condescending attitude would have simply convinced me that atheists are arrogant, loudmouthed jerks. When you act this way, you make all non-theists look bad. I'm actually considering the possibility that people like you are, in fact, fundamentalists posing as atheists to reinforce the "obnoxious atheist" stereotype.

      Oh, and it's "atheist". Spelled just like it sounds. The more you know...

  51. He is a genius by unicode · · Score: 0

    I really like his ideas about living in a house which can be moved within a transportation network.

    Finally, anyone with a stamp like this had to be a genius.

  52. Re:Another parallell: Heidelberg and Gates. by paving-slab · · Score: 1, Informative

    So is your obsession with twitter. Get some help.

  53. Prior Art by mangu · · Score: 1

    Even if the Tacoma Dome were a true "geodesic dome", which it isn't, using the spherical shape for a dome had been in use for at least 1500 years before Buckminster Fuller was born.

  54. least of worries? by airdrummer · · Score: 1

    i think people in financial straights did care about fuel economy...anyone remember the mobilgas economy runs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobil_Economy_Run

    it was abandoned when the buying public stopped caring about fuel economy
    ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H*
    the evil oil companies manipulated our brains with advertising & made us all buy gas-guzzling edsels...

    * this realignment of thought brought to you by greenThink, a division of alGoreAphobia.org;-)

  55. Re:Part contributor, part crazy person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Sounds like ol' Bucky lost a ball or two along the way. *Ducks*

  56. Thunderdome by dontPanik · · Score: 1

    Maybe Bucky designed the Thunderdome

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  57. Dymaxion House -- one *does* exist by clintp · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article is wrong.

    Fuller constructed a scale model of the house, which was exhibited in 1929 at Marshall Field's as part of a display of modern furniture. But no full-size version could be produced, because many of the components, including what Fuller called a "radio-television receiver," did not yet exist.
    There is a full-scale Dymaxion House: in Dearborn, Michigan at the Henry Ford Museum. That a New Yorker writer couldn't turn that fact up with a quick Google search is disappointing.


    Two prototypes were built, and one was modified and lived in for several years by the Graham family. The rebuilt house is made from parts cobbled together from the other two, and some parts that had to be re-manufactured from the original plans. Tours are given through the Dymaxion House in the museum, and I've been several times.

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  58. sounds like Bloody Stupid Johnson by stiller · · Score: 1
  59. I think you have the wrong superhero... by argent · · Score: 1

    Which other country could have invented 'SuperMan', a mythical magic being who defeats America's enemies?

    Superman mostly fought domestic crime. I think you're thinking of Captain America, or maybe Mallory's King Arthur... whoops, he's not an American, is he?

  60. Conservatives HATE Bucky by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just looked at the people posting slanderous comments against Buckminster Fuller. Surprise, surprise, conservatives hat a man who spoke out against the status quo and against corporatism.

    If you want to understand why certain people seem to hate Bucky with an unreasonable passion, read Critical Path.

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    1. Re:Conservatives HATE Bucky by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      conservatives hat a man who spoke out against the status quo and against corporatism. Can you translate this into English for me?

      If you want to understand why certain people seem to hate Bucky with an unreasonable passion, read Critical Path. Alternately, you can read Critical Path and discover that Bucky Fuller was a shameless self-promoter who liked to create nonsense words via hyphenation. Seriously, the man nearly dislocates his arm patting himself on the back for single-handedly changing the world... but only when he's not making bizarre claims, like that the Soviets were developing a submarine aircraft carrier, or that dolphins evolved from maritime humans in Indonesia.
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    2. Re:Conservatives HATE Bucky by spun · · Score: 1

      Conservatives do not like anything that challenges the status quo, and Bucky did. Critical Path also speaks against the dangers of corporate power. Most conservatives love the limitation of liability that comes with a corporate structure.

      As for the Soviet submarine aircraft carrier, well, such things exist so its not a complete leap to have thought that the Soviets might be developing one. And when he made that dolphin claim, the idea wasn't completely out there either.

      If the best you can come up with are wrong but not outlandish guesses, and unsubstantiated slander, you haven't sold me that there was anything wrong with the man.

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  61. Re:Sometimes a Cigar is not just a Cigar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Penis size and sense of humor must be related, with one problem compounding the other. Redmond is one frustrated place.

  62. Dome at MSI in Chicago by wandazulu · · Score: 1

    I remember the "Farm Exhibit" in the Museum of Science and Industry, in Chicago, used to have a dome that, if I recall correctly, was identified as being his. Inside was a continuous running movie of the origin and future of farming. They took it out sometime in the mid-90s, I guess, as last time I was at the museum the dome was gone. Since all it was used for was to show a movie, it wasn't ever really clear to me why the dome was there in the first place.

    As I recall it was a great place to (potentially) make out if your SO didn't mind having their hearing destroyed by the unbelievably loud movie audio.

  63. I agree, grew up in dome... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I grew up in a dome. I agree that it is practical to seal, but you do have to take care of it just like any other roof.

    The modern ferrocement seems to be the best method, though the one I lived in used spray foam and that combined with a good coating of the roof worked well.

    We also had a few different levels in the dome, with part of the space fully open. While it's true that you lose some space against the wall the thing that's nice is that any flat surface against a curved wall always has space for cables or plugs...

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  64. Re:Dymaxion House -- one *does* exist by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

    There is a full-scale Dymaxion House: in Dearborn, Michigan at the Henry Ford Museum. That a New Yorker writer couldn't turn that fact up with a quick Google search is disappointing.

    I believe that what the writer meant was that no full-sized reproduction could be built at that time (1929). If I recall correctly it was at least ten years before a full sized model was built.

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  65. Re:R. Buckminster Fullofhimself by throatmonster · · Score: 1

    >Whoever modded the above "flamebait"

    Not that anyone will ever read this commment, but...

    Ha ha, there are a few who have good reason to mod me flamebait after my last troll comment on another story.

    I was very entranced with Mr. Fuller as a kid and young adult. He was very concerned about energy efficiency, back when few others gave a hoot. But today, looking back at his design for a huge, pyramidized donut shaped, concrete city...

    Others have pointed out that he was very egotistical. After reading his works, I must agree.

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  66. Re:Dymaxion House -- one *does* exist by 5c11 · · Score: 1
    If you continue reading the article, a little way down page 2 it says:

    In 1945, Fuller attempted to mass-produce the Dymaxion House, entering into a joint effort with Beech Aircraft, which was based in Wichita. Two examples of the house were built before that project, too, collapsed. (The only surviving prototype, known as the Wichita House, looks like a cross between an onion dome and a flying saucer; it is now on display at the Henry Ford Museum, in Dearborn, Michigan.)
  67. you can never know by unity100 · · Score: 1
    when i was around 17 years of age, precisely 15 years earlier than today, a high school student in my country have been able to develop a super glue that was much stronger than the ones (originating out of japan) that were around that time. formula was bought by japan, kid also probably went to japan to study and live. with no help or resources given to him from any source. this example tells one thing - if you let creativity flow in and dont hamper it, you can never know what can be discovered, invented.

    I doubt you could name a single valid line of inquiry in the field of chemistry that hasn't been experimented to death and published about to within an inch of its life that doesn't involve any piece of equipment more complex than glassware and burners. i find it unbelievable that im saying this, but we dont know what we dont know yet. remember that american patent office was commenting that 'everything to be discovered has already been discovered' in 1890s. we know what happened after then.

    exactly this 'new fields opening up' thing is what im talking about. if we put it in your words, new fields are not opening up because science and knowledge has become too institutionalized in the last 100 years. thats what im saying. also i would like to remind you that most of the pioneers of new fields havent been funded by any institution, organization, or had cutting edge 'technologies' under their command. take the example of faraday for example.

    Basically, you just don't know what you're talking about because you have no grasp of the history of science and technology. bold, absurd, broad sweeping statements. you are being too conservative and rather scientifically arrogant in my opinion.
  68. Radar Domes by Tungbo · · Score: 1

    Just open your eyes. Geodesic radar domes are used everywhere. They work!

    His Dymaxion map significantly reduces the projective distortions found in common projections (Huge Greenland...)

    He's a big idea man. His mind travel in different directions compared to most of us.
    We NEED visionaries like him. We already have many practical engineers. In this aspect, he is similar to Tesla.

  69. How can you tell chaos from randomness? by Tungbo · · Score: 1

    Being a physics graduate student doesn't give you a privileged position of perception, I don't believe.

    The problem is that this is not a falsifiable statment.
    If I show you a phenomenon that appears to be random, you can always say that there are as yet unobserved variables accounting for it. There would be no way to convince you since you have 'faith'.

  70. Re:They 'd find his influence if they read his boo by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    As a kid in high school I read Spaceship Earth. That was mid '60s, a world most of you won't remember but be assured...nobody had heard of peak oil or cared much about gas mileage. I have pretty much been for greener and less wasteful ways of doing things ever since.
    This explains the right-wing's hatred for BF here on slashdot and elsewhere.
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  71. very comfy by zogger · · Score: 1

    The big one I helped work on with the cable suspended rooms and lofts was just beautiful. It had a huge central woodstove with the stack going straight up and kept that place toasty warm all winter. I only stayed there for awhile but friends were building it so I helped some, learned a lot too.

  72. good luck by zogger · · Score: 1

    You are welcome of course. Good luck with whichever technique you wind up using. Will you be building it yourself? Sweat equity is a great way to pay for a home. My (recently deceased) sis and ex brother in law built a house on a pay as you build idea, the entire thing was paid off free and clear in a few years that way, zero mortgage. The two largest immediate expenses were land purchase outright, around three acres, and the well and septic, they saved for that initial expense then the bro in laws folks chipped in a little as a wedding present. After that it was just whatever they could afford on a weekend by weekend deal. They rented nearby, had two jobs, one job paid the day to day bills, the other income went 100% to the new house and building supplies, etc. As soon as it was up and roughed in enough to live in they moved in, then finished it over the next year or so, including finishing the second story into rooms, at rough in stage is was just a partial floor with a ladder going to it for sleeping.. I helped a lot on that one as well, it was stilts on one side going right to the ground on the other, built on a hillside. Stick frame but I insisted and we used a ton of large woodscrews and tubes of industrial adhesive on the joints and flooring when we built it, along with the regular nails. It had a regular tin roof, I was lucky mountain climber to put that on.. We did every single bit of the work, wiring, plumbing, siding, framing, foundation, all of it except the waterwell and septic and the original grading that they hired out to some guy with a dozer, being a cheap to buy wooded hillside it needed some terraforming for parking spaces, small yard and garden area.. One hint, never store onsite that which you can't use up building that weekend, dang roving thieves will steal it every time.

    1. Re:good luck by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the plan is to build it myself with the help of lots of friends and family. I'm quite lucky to have friends who are builders, and a father who has the know-how to do just about everything needed for new home construction. They're all intrigued by the dome idea and find it quirky enough to wanna help out just for kicks. I'd love to do it all debt-free like your sis (and you have my condolences...) but I'm not sure I can pull it off. I may buy the land and sit on it for a few years before I can start building. When you really get down to it, I have no idea what the Mysterious Future holds, and as I'm only in the planning stage everything is still pretty volatile. But I've been kicking around the idea for almost a decade now, so I think it has a good chance of taking root.

  73. Randomness is Relative by pbaer · · Score: 1
    I can see where you're coming from, but all randomness really means is that something "Can't be [accurately] predicted." So as far as RNG are concerned they are random because the only way to determine them is to know the seed and do the algorithm. And that isn't prediction, that's observation. Prediction is finding a pattern, a simplification that allows results to be known without requiring perfect knowledge of the initial state.

    That in essence is what science is. It finds patterns and generalities that allow for accurate predictions. This does mean that previously random things, such as the weather eventually stop being random. Someone might say "Oh well weather was never really random it just seemed that way", but they're missing the point. There's no way to know if something currently unpredictable will become predictable in the future, and that's why the best understanding of random is "Something that can't [currently] be predicted."

    If someone takes the position that randomness is "Something that can never be predicted" then anytime they say something is random they are making a statement of faith, as they are ignoring the evidience of previously unpredictable things that are now predictable. The only decent conclusion someone could make using this analysis is that nothing is random. Clearly this interpretation is wrong as people often communicate with the word random. So anyone who takes this stance is speaking their own private language, and is not speaking english.

    As far as this relates to RNGs, I'd say a RNG is no longer random, once given any sequence of N numbers the rest of the sequence can be determined. While this can be done to some weak RNGs, I find it unlikely that this can be done to every RNG, especially without knowing the implementation. Until a generic attack against RNGs is found they are literally random.

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  74. Re:R. Buckminster Fullofhimself by Plugh · · Score: 1

    Fuller was my hero when I was a kid/young adult. Now... I don't think so much of him. Some nifty ideas, but the problem is not that he was "egotistical", it's that he had zero grasp of the scientific method, and so could not separate wild conjecture from testable fact.