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Surprisingly Few People Collect On GTA Hot Coffee

Relin writes "Out of the millions eligible, less than 3,000 have come forward to collect their money in the 'Hot Coffee' settlement. While the plaintiffs' lawyer is surprised by the development, Theodore Frank of the Legal Center for the Public Interest at the American Enterprise Institute seems convinced that the lawsuit was 'meritless' and will result in no payment for the legal counsel opposing Take-Two."

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  1. Not surprised by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Seth Lesser, lead lawyer for the plaintiffs said that he is "disappointed" by the outcome, and doesn't understand why so many people don't care."
    It is, after all, just a video game.

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    1. Re:Not surprised by corsec67 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is, after all, just a video game.

      It is a video game where you can regenerate health with the services of a prostitute, kill her when she gets out of the car, take your money back, kill a cop and steal his cop car, kill national guard members and steal their tank, and these people are worried about a little bit of clothed dry humping?

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    2. Re:Not surprised by GroeFaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Free worldview improvement suggestion of the day: Google for "this is not a pipe"

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    3. Re:Not surprised by ThreeGigs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      doesn't understand why so many people don't care

      Ahh, but they *do* care.

      They care that to get their five bucks they have to fill in a few blanks. Like with their name and address. And somewhere, in some database will be a bit of trivia about just what it is they do on their computer. And I don't remember all the terms of the settlement, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible to obtain the names of all claimants. Imagine someone posting *that* list on a public webserver that Google indexes.

    4. Re:Not surprised by Gewalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I woudlnt be ashamed to be on a list of people that own GTA, but I would be ashamed if someone thought I had asked for a rebate because a game included the content I was looking for when I bought it.

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    5. Re:Not surprised by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is a video game where you can regenerate health with the services of a prostitute, kill her when she gets out of the car, take your money back, kill a cop and steal his cop car, kill national guard members and steal their tank, and these people are worried about a little bit of clothed dry humping?

      Exactly. I bought this game and enjoyed it. There's no way I would stick it to the people who gave me so many hours of fun game play.

      I really doubt any of the people actually purchasing this game were offended. There might be an occasional stupid parent who thought the hyper-violence in the game was tolerable, but the nudity was over the line. Regardless, it was baseless, in my opinion-- and the people who are okay with violence and freak out over nudity are rather scary. I would not enjoy living in their heads. Give me nude women any day over guns. I'll take both in my video games when it's an option, though.

      Actually, the people who have a stranglehold on America's censorship are the scariest of all. Every other TV show or movie have probably ten times the violence than sex. I remember in the 1970s and early 80s, you could, at least, see the occasional boob on UHF broadcast. Something went wrong somewhere.

    6. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Seth Lesser, lead lawyer for the plaintiffs said that he is "disappointed" by the outcome, and doesn't understand why so many people don't care." Dear Mr Lesser:

      Please let me, speaking on behalf of Americans who bought San Andreas, clear up your confusion. The few people who were offended by the game lack the necessary level of intelligence to understand how to claim their settlement money.

      Just in case you were one of the above mentioned persons, I'll repeat it in smaller words. Move your lips if that helps.

      Only ignorant fucking morons with the mental capacity of a particularly stupid puddle of mud were offended and can't figure out how to get their check.

      Hope that helps.

    7. Re:Not surprised by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That makes me so, so sad.
      My wife and I have had long discussions about that very topic, and we've both agreed that sex/nudity/etc. is ok for the kids to see, but Violence is what we want to protect them from.

      That my 5 year old daughter knows she has a vagina and that her brother has a penis actually offends people. My son (3) also knows the appropriate verbage to describe his body. Meanwhile one of my daughters friends thinks that she has a "WooHoo".

      Which is more degrading to a woman?
      Which is more useful in a conversation with a doctor?

      I'll shut up now since I'm just rambling, but suffice to say when my daughter walked in on me playing GTA the other day she admonished me to stop at red lights and not run anyone over. :-)

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    8. Re:Not surprised by Wavicle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Extremely off topic, but...

      Over at a skeptic forum I frequent, someone involved in investigating child sexual abuse made a rather enlightening post about children and the names of their body parts: TEACH THEM THE PROPER NAMES OF THEIR BODY PARTS. The argument went something like "investigating this is hard enough without having to figure out what a 'cookie' is."

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    9. Re:Not surprised by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you really surprised to find out that there are stupid people having children?

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    10. Re:Not surprised by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Violence and sex are both deeply rooted in humanity's past. One important distinction might be is that sex is a more hierarchical, selection driven aspect. The one who gets to reproduce wins. Violence just happens, due to outside factors or it is a tool to enforce sexual wants. A huge number of contemporary murders are due to jealousy and "love sickness".

      This makes me think that sexual behaviour, the display of sexual behaviour and the depiction of sexual behaviour would tend to be more sensitive subject in the standard psychological setting.

      It takes conscious effort and education to get rid of this feeling.

      In today's world it is not a bad policy to excercise reasonable restraint on one's sexual behaviour (I'm thinking avoiding sleeping with everyone), because while violence is condemnable, sex causes violence. Yeah, some people are enlightened enough to handle sex (polyamorous relationships), but most of the people are not like that and it leads to extreme feelings, which then leads to violence.

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    11. Re:Not surprised by Kneo24 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Guess what? PG-13 is the new R these days. Sex? How do you think you were conceived? Furthermore, how do you intend to prove that these type of video games make society worse, not better?

      In the end, you can be a prude and say retarded things all day. We'll just mock you for them. However, what happened to freedom of expression? This clearly wasn't being forced upon anyone.

    12. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I am surprised at the level of stupidity one can have and still somehow manage not kill their child."

      Thousands upon thousands of years of natural selection ensured some decent survival rate.

    13. Re:Not surprised by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jack Nicholson summed it up rather nicely: If you suck on a tit the movie gets an R rating. If you hack the tit off with an axe it will be PG.

      And the same applies to games. Ain't that scary? I mean, remember what those things are actually good for? Tits aren't "not suitable for children", they are first of all suitable for children, for crying out loud! That you might pop a boner when you see some is maybe some additional value, but not their primary function.

      That's what's really wrong with censorship, and society as a whole. It's more acceptable to show how people hurt each other than showing how they pleasure each other.

      We really are sick, sick animals.

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    14. Re:Not surprised by CelticWhisper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is why sex education needs to teach kids to use proper protection instead of this fairy-tale "abstinence only" bullshit.

      The problem in your statement comes from the word "unprotected." "Underage" and the entire age-of-consent can of worms is another matter entirely, but regardless of one's opinion of what the "proper age" is for sex, "underage" sex is less inherently risky than rampant unsafe sex. Unfortunately, people far more prudish and sex-averse than yourself have taken it upon themselves to decide that children shouldn't know how to properly guard against unwanted pregnancy and/or venereal disease. After all, nobody in god-with-a-capital-G's country has sex outside of marriage! Why, that would be sinful!

      Fix this one little thing, teach kids to exercise common sense when they have sex (because seriously, they can, will, and do have sex no matter how hard they're hit over the head with the chastity-hammer) and we go a long way toward unscrewing our at-present screwed-up priorities.

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  2. Not worth my time. by iansmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The time it would take filling out the forms and cashing the $5 check is better spent on something else.

    And frankly, anyone who buys Grand Theft Auto, the game that lets you kill hookers instead of paying them, is going to be hard to offend with some sex scene they have to use a hack to see in the first place.

    That lawsuit never should have been brought to court, I hope the laywers don't see a penny!

  3. Well is it worth it. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being that it requited a hack to unlock the feature (aka censors already deemed the code unacceptable) and the kids who downloaded the hack could have just as easily have gotten real porn. It really isn't that big of a deal. Besides who wants to say after buying GTA I am such a prude that I want money to accommodate my suffering. I think most people will say they hypocrisy needs to stop at some point.

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    1. Re:Well is it worth it. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the kids who downloaded the hack could have just as easily have gotten real porn

      Yeah, that's exactly why this whole issue has always cracked me up. Oh noes! If a kid goes unsupervised onto the internet, he may download a mod for a game that would show him low-poly-count boobs. We need to stop this, prevent minors from buying GTA, make Take Two release new discs without the content on it, and then, at long last, kids won't be able to find boobs on the internet!

      Really, it's just too funny.

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    2. Re:Well is it worth it. by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that the game is rated M in the US - which means that the only people who Take2 was (legally) selling the game to that couldn't legally watch porn were 17 year olds. The same 17 year olds who can see full frontal nudity and way racier sex scenes in an R rated movie, or even on M rated TV (anyone watched Nip/Tuck lately?)

    3. Re:Well is it worth it. by blitziod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i am pretty sure the news from the lawsuit sold more games than the makers of GTA4 had to pay.

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    4. Re:Well is it worth it. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The amount of work you have to do to "unlock" it via the patch (and I did out of curiosity - it took 5 minutes)

      That's about four minutes and fifty-five seconds longer than it takes to just find some porn with google on a broadband connection. It's not like it's hard to do, it's just orders of magnitude harder than just downloading some porn.

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    5. Re:Well is it worth it. by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Way more. Ponder this for a moment:

      A game hits the market. A game that already created a controversy long before it came out. Then, almost instantly (one has to wonder how much "luck" or "skill" those hackers had...), it's revealed: A porn scene, "negligently" left in by the programmers. Horror! Self proclaimed moral watchdogs with too much time on their hands and no meaning in their little life are all over the game, big discussions on national TV, moralizers condemning it and Take2 and everyone involved as the big evil, big groundbreaking lawsuit on behalf of the poor, unsuspecting customers, now dubbed victims...

      That's some advertising you couldn't possibly afford.

      And as we see now, after a few years there's some verdict. Does anyone who bought the game even care anymore? Anyone who cares about the sex scene (provided they didn't actually want it and buy the game partly because of it) didn't buy the game in the first place anyway! Now subtract all the people who can't find their receipt anymore and ... well, you gotta be surprised that it's even 3000 people.

      And out of the 3000, I bet 2999 were just thinking "hey, a free fiver!"

      The remaining one is the statistical variance.

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  4. Everybody now..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So it might just turn out that all that moral outrage and mass hysteria was just a ruse brought up to try and cash in on a game franchise.

    Everybody now: "YA THINK!?!"

  5. Maybe they liked the game? by xRelisH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps the remaining millions who did not claim the money actually, you know, liked the game?

    I don't think it would make sense for gamers to exploit a frivolous lawsuit to get a few dollars out of a company that made a game they enjoyed.

  6. I didn't know... by sdguero · · Score: 1, Insightful

    about the suit until now, and I have that game. Maybe the numbers will go up now that /. is covering it...

  7. odd by bigdavex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Suppose I bought some porn video and there was a code that my kids found that let them play a game where they beat people and ran them over for fun. Would I have case?

    Who exactly is supposed to care about this?

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    1. Re:odd by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your kids would be taken away because you allowed them to access porn. Thank the puritans.

  8. Seriously... by Golden_Rider · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I read instructions on the Internet on how to mod GTA so that I could see a sex scene, and when I followed those instructions, the game actually let me see a sex scene! Now I feel surprised, shocked and offended and want $5!"

    Sometimes I really wonder if there are any normal people left in this world.

  9. The only people benefiting. by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    are the lawyers. The lawyers don't care if everyone get pennies, because they get their millions. And if there is a settlement or verdict, it should always be in monetary form distributed automatically to every class member. Members shouldn't have to fill any paperwork. The corporations should calculate it for them. Two examples:

    1. Bank of America privacy lawsuit.

    Fees waived for deposited items getting returned!
    Fees returned for calling customer service!
    12 months free subscription to a credit card protection service (a $30 value)!
    90 free days of Privacy Assist Identity Theft Protection Service (a $17.85 value)!

    Hell no. Basically, they get free marketing. OUCH.

    2. Visa MasterCard Discovery Currency lawsuit.

    They want you to calculate your foreign purchases yourself and document them for your reimbursement. Hell no. They should pay us $400/hr as they do their lawyers for the time we spend sorting through years worth of credit card statements. Some companies even charge a fee for requesting older records.

    Settling should not be an option for class action lawsuits. The client/s should decide whether to settle, not the lawyer/s. A settlement should always be an opt-in, not an opt-out.

    1. Re:The only people benefiting. by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Easiest solution would be to require lawyers to be paid in the exact same manner as the class in a class action suit.

      If they class gets coupons, the lawyers should get coupons.

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  10. Re:mcdonald's by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's estimated that ladders cost $25 more than they should because of the tort tax.

    Heck, look at the price difference between a drug marketed for humans and the same drug, made in the same facility, put in the same bottle, just labeled for animals - a lot of the price difference is the tort cost.

    Generics don't have to worry as much, as do drugs that have been out for a long time.

    I think that they should put a $50 or so deductible on cases like this - per person. Sure, it'd encourage some companies to try to screw every customer out of $50. But, I wouldn't have the deductible count in small claims court(IE not brought by big lawyer firm), or in cases where people were pursuing independent action. Of course, under $50, most people would be in small claims anyways.

    But I tend to dislike the cases where they claim some company screwed people out of money or whatever without them knowing. When I bought some money from crucial - then later received paperwork from some lawyer firm for a class action, I didn't bother pursuing it - because I had paid what I felt was a fair price.

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  11. SURPRISED! by throatmonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never seen so much consensus in Slashdot comments! And you're all right - the fact that gratuitous violence is more acceptable than sex is sick, sick, sick.

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    1. Re:SURPRISED! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The irony here is that the /. hivemind will tell you that simulated violence is also just fine - saying that it's not will cut into one of our favourite past-times (video gaming). Although I can see how these two beliefs can easily co-exist.

  12. It doesn't have to make sense by joekrahn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lawsuits are more about money, especially for the lawyers, rather than defending public rights.

  13. Re:mcdonald's by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you high? *sighs* I'll go on, I'd figured it'd be obvious. It isn't to you so I'll help you along. M'Kay? *grins* (Forgive my attitude - I'm slightly intoxicated at this point.) McDonald's had served coffee at a temperature that was much hotter than the average at that time. McDonald's had known of prior injuries. The corporation had willfully declined to warn customers. (I'd have said the suit was bogus with just a warning - just a warning, but they did not.)

    This, in and of itself, is enough for me. The damages done were nothing less than willful negligence. (Yes, I even read your link.)

    I'll leave you with this... Some searching, effort if you'd like, will show that I (of all the people on the planet) am not a leftist nor do I typically ascribe to anything the gibberish monkeys put out from either extremist views. That being said, they reason it was legitimate was because they knew that people were stupid enough to keep getting burned and didn't even warn them. I would argue that we don't need a nanny state where people are constantly protected from their own stupidity BUT when coffee burns result in third degree burns and the company knew this but opted to not warn their customers they have failed the checks and the suit was, I feel, legit. I don't know about your state but in mine you can't serve a drunk more alcohol and all sorts of things come with warnings on them. I am no fan of the nanny state that we have going on now BUT I feel this case had its merits and was certainly legit enough. I am not a lawyer.

    No, thank you for your time. I love a decent conversation about great topics where we can agree to disagree. In this one I have the advantage of the court already having deemed it acceptable but I'd not just rely on that. Again, I'm not a lawyer. I just have some views of what justice is and I don't think justice should be "just us." In short, the suit was legitimate. Companies serve their coffee as hot today (or even hotter) because now they warn the idiots. Our society is about protecting those who can not protect themselves. (Or at least it *was* at one point. We can argue all day long about if it still is or not.)

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  14. If anything I'd send RockStar another $5 by Hackerlish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    GTA is a good game, no worse than any episode of The Sopranos. I've played it heaps, but had no RL urges to shoot cops, run over pedestrians, steal cars or not pay a hooker. The lawyers and moralists who got outraged at some pixelated lowpoly boobies need to get a life and a real job. Did they really think anyone would get out of bed for $5, head to Jack in the Box and declare "This tasty burger and beverage offsets the misery I experienced when I found and downloaded Hot Coffee"?

  15. Re:Any surprise? by AftanGustur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any surprise?
    It's $5

    The $5 is supposed to be a symbolic gesture, saying "you were right, we were wrong" to those who "who had purchased the game and been offended.".

    It's supposed to be a "emotional closure" for those offended. It is not intended to be a meaningful sum of money you can do anything interesting with. It's symbolic.

    If it would be, for example, $1000 USD, then you would have people coming from left and right, with fake receipts claiming the "compensation fee", for emotions they never had.

    The reason that so many people aren't claiming their 5 dollars is probably because they never had any feeling of beeing offended by hot coffie.

    Come on, seriously, what boy/man would be "offended" by seeing computer characters having sex, after installing a patch do see just that ?

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  16. Re:Any surprise? by D'Sphitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come on, seriously, what boy/man would be "offended" by seeing computer characters having sex, after installing a patch do see just that ?
    Well the other thing is the vast majority never even saw this offending content. I'd go as far as saying the 3,000 people who did respond did so fraudulently. How could anyone say they were offended by seeing explicit content, when they had to make a fairly significant effort to crack the game specifically to reveal said explicit content?