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A Video Game To Teach AP Level Immunology

kilrathu writes "Longtime proponents of using video games as sources of learning, the Federation of American Scientists put its money where its mouth is. FAS released Immune Attack, an educational video game designed to teach immunology to AP level high school students and combines the most current research on teaching methodologies with a 3D first-person shooter game. 'The key to the game was making sure it was fun while also covering accurate and complex immunology topics,' said Dr. Michelle Lucey-Roper, director of the FAS Learning Technologies Program. The game is free, although not open source, and can be downloaded here. Sorry, no Mac version yet."

158 comments

  1. Way to go by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Funny

    Posting a link to a 500 MB file. That won't be a problem ;)

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    1. Re:Way to go by AsmCoder8088 · · Score: 1

      I'm currently downloading it right now and getting 500KByte/sec... Not bad for a regular cable line.

    2. Re:Way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Posting a link to a 500 MB file. That won't be a problem ;)

      http://immuneattack.info/ImmuneAttack10/ImmuneAttackSetup.exe

    3. Re:Way to go by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      I'm getting 3mb/sec, and all I've got is this dinky old fiber optic line.

      Seriously though, I think whatever server's hosting this thing could slashdot Slashdot if it wanted to.

    4. Re:Way to go by sunwolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know you jest, but I find the linked ABC article more disturbing - half of it doesn't even talk about the game, but about how evil videogames like Halo and Grand Theft Auto have deteriorated public trust in the medium. I could have honestly used a more thorough review of the game in question instead of more meandering over media-generated FUD.

    5. Re:Way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TORRENT LNK PLZ OMGWTFNETPACKETRATEDROPLIMITZSUKBIGTiME!!!

      Ahem...wouldn't this be one of those "legitimate" uses for peer-to-peer technology we keep hearing about? Just a thought...

  2. Insert standard replies here... by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Funny

    The game is free, although not open source... Sorry, no Mac version yet.

    • Obligatory comment about how the PC needs an immunology lesson much more than the Mac does.
    • In Soviet Russia, your PC immunizes you.
    • 1) Create immunology game, 2) make it PC only, 3)???, 4) Profit
    • I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
    • If they would only open source it, we could usher in a new Eden.
    • Immunology, bah... Just more FUD from the medical industry.
    • They had this on the Amiga 20 years ago.
    1. Re:Insert standard replies here... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Stephen King is dead.. because his immune system failed.

    2. Re:Insert standard replies here... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I'm wondering what an AP level high school student is??

      AP? Never heard the term..what does it mean?

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    3. Re:Insert standard replies here... by you-nix-boy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Advanced Placement. It's a program offered by the College Board that allows high school students to receive college credit for courses completed in high school, teaching college-level curriculum, and evaluated by a test (that the College Board administers and scores). The number of credits and exact course translation toward your university is usually determined by your AP test score (on a scale of 1-5). Shaved close to a year off college with these puppies :)

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    4. Re:Insert standard replies here... by AaxelB · · Score: 1

      Advanced Placement

      It's a program where high school students can take a test in a certain subject and gain college credit for it (if they score well and they go to a college that accepts it). Many high schools have classes which teach specifically to these tests.

      It's a pretty good program, if the courses are taught well. The tests I took seemed pretty well-written to test actual ability in a subject (much better than most standardized tests). I was able to enroll in college with 30 credit-hours off the bat.

    5. Re:Insert standard replies here... by maxume · · Score: 1

      The number of credits and exact course translation toward your university is usually determined by your university.

      They use the score, but it is entirely up to them what they do with it.

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    6. Re:Insert standard replies here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netcraft confirms... the patient is dead.

    7. Re:Insert standard replies here... by rpillala · · Score: 1

      Depending on where you apply to college, you may get no credits for your AP courses, as the program has been diluted by schools' efforts to get more students enrolled in them.

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    8. Re:Insert standard replies here... by ChangelingJane · · Score: 1

      The AP classes at my school were notorious for being harder than (undergraduate) college level. Now that I'm in college myself, I've seen it's totally true. Those were some crazy freaking classes.

    9. Re:Insert standard replies here... by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      Huh, this is the only one I don't know the origin on. Anyone mind filling me in?

    10. Re:Insert standard replies here... by Zencyde · · Score: 2, Informative

      Another Simpsons meme. : ) Nothing to see here, move along.

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    11. Re:Insert standard replies here... by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Too bad they can't use this for remedial immunology... those students are way too slow to play a game.

    12. Re:Insert standard replies here... by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Consider yourself lucky it wasn't the other way around. I had really easy AP classes (except for maybe AP Spanish) which led to the development of some bad habits.

    13. Re:Insert standard replies here... by gbulmash · · Score: 1

      It's interesting... I took AP Computer Science in 11th grade and AP European History in 12th.

      At the school I eventually graduated from, they'd fallen prey to the multiculturalism angle of political correctness, so though I got credits that counted toward the X credits needed to graduate for my AP European History exam, it didn't count toward my History requirement and I was forced to take "World History" (which was 80% stuff I covered in AP European History and 20% covering the rest of the world).

      On the other hand, this school let you take a Computer Science course to satisfy the Math requirement, so my AP Computer Science score made it possible for me to graduate college without ever taking a Math class (not even Stats).

      - Greg

    14. Re:Insert standard replies here... by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      I love that Simpsons meme. I actually love at that one.

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    15. Re:Insert standard replies here... by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      Ok, I completely fail it. What I meant was the following. I love that Simpsons meme. I actually laugh at that one all the time. Sometimes even quote it orally. It must be done. It is obligatory damnit!

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    16. Re:Insert standard replies here... by somersault · · Score: 1

      Sometimes even quote it orally

      Ah, so that's where the "I actually love [..] that one" came from ;)

      On a side note, if anyone actually looks at the screenshots, this looks like a 3rd person shooter, not first person *shakes fist at poor summary terminology*

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  3. So will it have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    God Mode if they want to use it in Louisiana?

    1. Re:So will it have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll check it out after I finish my GTA: San Andreas driving lessons.

  4. Screenshot by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...from an early beta.

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    1. Re:Screenshot by Mr2001 · · Score: 2

      Wow, they changed it quite a bit for the release version!

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  5. haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    she said phagocytosis!

    but seriously, she says her name is something like Neisha Elam and the caption says Jessica. They can't get her name right?

    1. Re:haha by somersault · · Score: 1

      She has a rare disease whereby she can only say her name in Hebrew, you insensitive clod!

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  6. Imagine a million highschooled controlled nanobots by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If someone gets some sort of hard to cure disease, just let the internet controlled nano bot pilots fix it manually. All they need to do is fly around and shoot the bad cells.

  7. Oh sheesh by Haoie · · Score: 1

    Like the world needs another Captain Novolin.

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  8. "Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only a Windows version, is more accurate.

    1. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      This is why macs suck :P

    2. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It thought it was a bit odd in this day and age to not even acknowledge that linux exists.

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    3. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Leonard+Fedorov · · Score: 1

      You must have not received the memo - this year isn't the year of the Linux desktop as it happens.

      Joking aside, it does seem quite odd. Although, if they're aiming at an education market, then they're probably right in thinking the vast majority of their user base is locked into some MS license scheme.

    4. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Narpak · · Score: 1

      I live in Europe and I consider this sort of software highly interesting. However Norway is making moves toward open source software by among other things declaring that ODF will be an official format from 2009. http://www.skolenettet.no/templates/News.aspx?id=46186&epslanguage=NO&scope=ScopeLaerAns (in norwegian).

      And http://www.skolelinux.org/ is a Linux distribution developed in Norway primarily for the use at schools. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skolelinux With the continued move towards open source and software that does not require expensive licenses (thus reducing costs for the educational system) using this for new computers is already undergoing serious consideration.

      I use this only as an example.

      My point is that the creation of educational software should and could be done by multiple nations in co-operation. Something made in the US or EU (or anywhere in the world for that matter) could be made to benefit all education institutions regardless of location. Make things in open source (and with Linux support) is simply the best course of action.

      I apploud the makers of this program, it is a very good concept and I hope improved versions (and Linux clones) will be avalible for everyone everywhere who sees benefits to their education or lectures. Further more I hope projects like this get all the attention they deserve, regardless what subject they focus on, as interactive forms of education could be a benefit to all who wish to learn.

    5. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Narpak · · Score: 1

      This is a list of schools across the world that are already using Skolelinux http://www.skolelinux.no/slschools/slschools.php

    6. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by kilrathu · · Score: 5, Informative

      We at the Federation of American Scientists (the non-profit group that made this) are working on a way to make it run under WINE but we don't have it quite yet. We hope to have it up by the end of the month. Sorry.

      The reality is we made this with a very limited budget and for that reason we have not not yet implemented a mac/*nix version yet. This is primarily a research project to show that students can learn from video games. The goal is to prove to policy makers that technology can be used to improve education. FAS is open to any feedback you can give them about the game or if you can help get it into the classroom.

      If you really need a different version consider donating or joining FAS [http://fas.org/member/index.html] so that we can continue development.

    7. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      No Mac version yet? Oh no, what will 4% of the marketplace do?!

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    8. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by the_olo · · Score: 1

      If this is a non-profit project then why not opening the source code? This would at least create some chances of some outsiders stepping up to port it to other systems. Why the source code has to be kept closed? Does it contain someone's trade secrets?

    9. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open-source it, then others can continue development.

    10. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      no linux verison yet? Oh no what will 94% of the slashdot marketplace do?!

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    11. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by F34nor · · Score: 1

      Just a guess but I would think for a project like this licensing a existing engine would be the way to go, hence closed source. The developer might even be able to take a tax deduction for the donation to the non-profit.

    12. Re:"Sorry, no Mac version yet." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally, FAS may have wanted to retain more control over the direction of development than an open-source license would have allowed. Open source might allow the original purpose of the game to get lost (through a more popular fork or majority consensus) as the project advanced. It wouldn't really be the same if they originally intended to have a fun but realistic educational tool and ended up instead with a BFG-9000 and no flashlight.

  9. Wha? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

    This sounds a lot like the "X-treme" fad of yesteryear. Take a few quizzes and be rewarded with shoot-em-ups between exams. FPS make great teaching tools for, say, military tactics and strategy but I think the field of immunology would be best left to a puzzle game like an adanced version of Dr. Mario. What's next, DOOM: The Calculus? The more pieces you blast something into, There could be a "delta-epsilon" meter for blasting your enemies into smaller and smaller pieces.

    1. Re:Wha? by porcupine8 · · Score: 3, Informative
      This sounds a lot like the "X-treme" fad of yesteryear. Take a few quizzes and be rewarded with shoot-em-ups between exams.

      Did you actually read/view anything beyond the summary? This looks nothing like those. Absolutely nothing. It IS more of a first-person puzzle game than a first-person "shooter." In fact, if you look at the controls, there's not even anything to "shoot." You go through and find the necessary chemicals to activate the various parts of the immune system.

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    2. Re:Wha? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn. The one time that I didn't RTFA and I get called on it. Thank you, sir, for bruising my fragile ego!

    3. Re:Wha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Also the video introduction says they're focusing on the innate immune system. That's fine but the adaptive immune system is totally cooler and where most of the sexy research happens.

    4. Re:Wha? by Tom9729 · · Score: 1

      Damn. The one time that I didn't RTFA and I get called on it. Thank you, sir, for bruising my fragile ego!

      Apparently you didn't read her signature either. ;-)

    5. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Whoah. That means I've seen posts by two separate girls on slashdot today. Is nothing sacred? What do I do if one of them tries talking to me? Talking in intricate detail about my work may not be enough to get rid of them! Won't somebody please think of the socially-inept overgrown children!?!

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    6. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Won't somebody please think of the socially-inept overgrown children!?!

      Oh, you're not going to start with the the whole "think of the children" thing are you? Now, I know I'm supposed to have mothering instincts (and well, yes, I do) but seriously... I know BS when I see it.

      You socially-inept overgrown children can just learn to deal with it... perhaps you might find that you enjoy the company of a girl...

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    7. Re:Wha? by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 0

      >You go through and find the necessary chemicals to activate the various parts of the immune system.

      Actually, you should have said

      You go through and shoot the necessary chemicals to activate the various parts of the immune system.

    8. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Actually I did enjoy the company of a girl for a good couple of years, the first 75% of that was online though so I dunno if it counts. It ended quite horribly anyway, so I'm wary of such things for the moment. I think women these days actually find geeks strangely attractive. Pretty soon all the children in the world will be smart enough to work for Google. Unfortunately in my case my children would also be neurotic and depressed as well as smart, so maybe it's better not to have any.

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    9. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Actually I did enjoy the company of a girl for a good couple of years, the first 75% of that was online though so I dunno if it counts.

      Wow... you used a percentage there... I would have just been like "the first year and a half"... you really ARE a socially inept geek... how HAWT.

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    10. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Damn my unintentional geeky aphrodisiacity. Just run now woman.. uh I mean girl - while you still have a chance!

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    11. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      It's too late... I'm oddly attracted to you, and cannot stop thinking about you.

      PLEASE, come and make me a woman!

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    12. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      They only let me out once a year, and I already used up my day this year going to a museum exhibit of 20th century storage technology. Sorry. Feel free to send pictures, erotic stories and spam to leave_me_alone_you_crazy_woman@hotmail.com though.

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    13. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      hehe :) cute :)

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    14. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I actually almost created that address just to see if you'd send anything :p

      Surely an intelligent girl like yourself (with an awesome palindromic user ID, no less) would have a boyfriend anyway? Away with you, foul temptress - you and your flirtacious emoticons!

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    15. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      As one would imagine, I should have a boyfriend already, and I did... then he dumped me, and I had another guy for a while on a rebound, but that's over. So, no, right now, I'm oddly single. :) So, now that you know that, you can rest easy that my pining for you is totally permissible! ;)

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    16. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      lol, that's very similar to my current situation in fact.

      I read some of your journals and there was an interesting philosophical debate about math going on. I noted that you are also kinda stubborn and into fierce debating as I am (and I suppose most slashdotters are - though I personally wish I was much more relaxed when it comes to discussing things). I think I agreed more with the other guy more overall though. Teehee.

      If you've never used it then I think you'd like Haskell, a functional programming language we used at Uni before moving onto Prolog. I was pretty rubbish with that style of coding compared to normal imperative coding, but it was interesting anyway - lots of use of recursive functions and the ability to define number systems in the same way as you were building them from 'nothing' in your musings.

      By the way, I think you're actually way more of a geek than I am :) The few journals I've ever done in my life were about random happenings, holidays, whatever, not in depth reviews and musings on books about psychology/math :p I did recently read Prometheus Rising though, it has a fair bit of good psychology stuff throughout start, but by the end it just gets rather strange with the author advocating the use of LSD because of its consciousness expanding qualities... I'm not so sure that things like holding your breath (prayanama/yoga breathing) and taking drugs really put you into a higher state of consciousness, or are just flooding your brain with endorphins/starving your brain of oxygen in a similar way to getting drunk, leading to you imagining that you are on a higher plane rather than you actually becoming at one with the universe! Who knows..

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    17. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      I used ML for a while at school, which is a lot like Haskell (functional programming) and I loved it. Actually, my first naive way of sorting data with ML was a very efficient merge-sort. It's just the way my brain works, I suppose.

      lol, well, I don't usually just blog or journal about everyday things... those are typically "meh", usually when I decide to do a journal or a blog, I'm driven to consider something on "paper" from an idea that I heard. So, I usually end up ranting on about something random, obscure and crazy.

      I agree with you though... the whole idea that holding your breath, or taking drugs brings you to a higher plane? No, it brings you to a different consciousness, and altered state. It's no better or worse than the other one. However, by comparing altered states with ones natural state, one can oddly experiment upon their own consciousness, and break partly free of the veil of perception... because you now have two (or more) perceptions to look at something, not just one.

      Not that I expect most people to use drugs in order to philosophically study consciousness... most people just do it because it feels good. (Nothing wrong with that...)

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    18. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with it if it's kept in check at least, kinda like a coffee habit I guess!

      Yes, being aware of what level your brain is operating on is one of the exercises in the book, often we are just operating on autopilot with no 'rational' thought really necessary. I did like the remarks in your journal about how people see truth differently - it's something I'm pretty accutely aware of at the moment as I've kind of done a 180 on my core beliefs about the nature of our reality recently. It's made the world a more refreshing and interesting place to not feel like I no longer have all the answers given to me on a plate (or rather, in a single book).

      One of the oft-repeated memes in Prometheus Rising is "what the thinker thinks, the prover proves", and it is amazing what the mind will do to prove it is 'right' when it believes something to be true. My mum doesn't believe that I could just stop being a Christian after being "born again" for 10 years.. but I have, and just because she doesn't believe it's possible doesn't make it so. I expect she will continue to believe that I'm just backsliding for the rest of her life, because to admit otherwise would be to admit that her core beliefs are not infallible, and cause her world to crumble around her. Often breaking free of your current perceptions involves very painful experiences, but in the end it is worth it. I certainly hope so at least. I'll find out when I die. Or, as the case may be, I'll be dead and technically won't ever know whether my beliefs are correct or not ;)

      Okay, I'd better stop blabbering on now. I'm experimentally going to attempt going to bed early, so I can get up early and become a model worker instead of a bum who drifts into work at 10AM and browses /. in between coffee/music fueled coding sessions and other random sysadmin duties..

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    19. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      You're a sysadmin, you're expected to be browsing /. regularly. lol. If someone came up to you and said, "Hey, did you see XY on slashdot", as a fundamental requirement of being a sysadmin, you have to be able to answer with a confident and firm "yes".

      I know what you mean. When I was young, I was an atheist, but then in High School, and into College, I was really having a rough time with depression, and it helped me out a lot to believe as a Christian believes. Unfortunately, it made me rabid, and I ended up biting others and myself far too often. Then, slowly as my depression has been less and less of an issue, it's like "ok, I'm comfortable now, and I don't need the 'church' to support my emotional affect." So, it's back to atheism... is just makes more sense, and doesn't "multiply entities unnecessarily"... we can explain the universe so far without invoking a god, so why invoke one just to invoke one?

      Plus, I always love how Christians are so confident, and say they have all these beliefs, and "if you look within yourself, and pray, you'll get an answer, and I did." Yeah, no... that's called "you'll get a reaffirming push in the direction that your conscious mind already wanted to go." "I got called to be a priest." No, you like the idea of being a priest, you wondered if you should be one, and after much time, your subconscious mind told your conscious mind that it's constantly been thinking about it, so go do it, and stop bothering yourself with unnecessary thought and debate.

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    20. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Exaccerly. I realised recently I had developed quite a nihilistic worldview because of Christianity - if the bible is right then the only reason we are here is to make more Christians and for the rest to go to hell. I was quite surprised to read that Nietzche says Christianity is essentially nihilistic. I had thought it was just me getting the wrong end of the stick, because most of the Christians I know don't end up down that logical route, they use it as a way of cheering themselves up, and affirming their own wishes as you say. Most are quite cheery and not at all operating under nihilistic pretenses. IMO that's because they're choosing to only focus on certain positive aspects of Christianity though, and just push things like doubts, and the logical conclusions of biblical ideas out of the picture.. I managed to be like that for a while, but now that I've come out of it, I find it hard to see how my other perfectly intelligent friends can't see the same things. The whole group mentality is hard to fight though, it's not nice to truly feel like you're splitting yourself from the herd. I guess it's easier for me because I've been spending a lot of time on /. though so I've been more logical and often atheistic doctrine flying round my head and am in some ways just migrating to a different group mentality!

      I ended up being quite depressed around that time too, as my dad died 6 freaking weeks before I started CS at University, which was hard for me because he's the one that got me interested in computers in the first place, as he did CS as a mature student while I was a kid, taught me the basics of coding, and I wanted to be like him and work with him, etc. We argued loads in the year before he died, which sucked having to live with that (he was annoyed at me for not studying his Software Engineering book before I went to Uni, but I knew I was already going to know a lot of the coursework and I didn't want to be too bored :p he had his final year CS project finished before his final year even started!), but arguing is a pretty normal teenageparent thing to happen I guess. Plus I've found out since then that he was apparently even worse with his own dad, and he didn't speak to one of my uncles for a few years when he dumped his fiance, so I know it wasn't just me that had a problem xD Not that I'm an angel, me and my first gf were always arguing too and now she won't even speak to me :P I think she managed to transpose her hate for her dad onto me. I'm not surprised as I always thought I was quite like him, but she tried to argue that I wasn't as much of a jerk. I guess I won that argument hands down in the end! \o/

      Strangely the world can be less depressing if you accept that you are in control and don't sit there waiting for any God to do stuff in your life. It seems like doing it yourself is the way to go. Sure there's nobody else to blame for things going wrong, but also you get to take credit for when you do things right! ;) I like that I can question things and not feel guilty, and feel more like I'm using my brain again (which I know is of fairly good quality, I just haven't been using it as much as I should). I still am operating on the notion that all achievement is ultimately meaningless if there is nothing beyond our physical reality - brought on largely when my dad died, and I wished he'd spent more time with us and less time studying and working - what's the point in great learning if you never pass it on..? But I suppose the point is - even if it all is ultimately meaningless - at least you can enjoy the journey and try to find some meaning amongst the chaos.

      As for /. , it does help keep me current so I don't feel that bad about reading it, but I'm generally much more productive if I make an effort to keep the /.ing for later in the day, otherwise I'm always replying to replies :p Anyway, I've happily been much more heavily involved with my application dev

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    21. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      *nod nod* you reminded me of a scene from House MD the first Season. After having recalled his experiences in a near death experience, House is questioned, "do you think it meant anything?" he responded, "it was just the random firing of my neurons before I died... nothing special." Response, "do you really believe that?" House: "I choose to believe what comforts me most." Response, "so you're happy to believe that there's nothing else after this life?" House: "I'm more comfortable with the notion that what we do here matters."

      I take that notion to heart. I consider no other person better or worse than any other person. We are all the human race, and we're working our way along here in the universe... my genes, my family? They're close in my life, and important to me emotionally, but rationally, they are no more important to me than any other person on this earth. This drives me to crazy ideas like "free immigration", don't restrict it... who are we to say to someone "you're not American, so you can't come here"... if you think about it, the difference in nationality is pretty much exclusively bound to where you were born, and who you were born to... completely random chance. Mexicans have done nothing to deserve being treated like they are here in America... there is no due process in denying them the fundamental rights that we feel are given to all people... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

      While my approach may seem nihilistic at first, "the world is the way it is, and there is nothing more after we die", that's a bit of a naive statement... Einstein is still around despite being dead, even my grandfather who is little known left his mark on the world... everyone has left a mark, and changed the course of history, if only very minutely... I essentially find the selfish pursuit of fame, and fortune at the expense of others to be fundamentally immoral... there's nothing left after this world, there is no karma, or great equalizing life after death, where good deeds are rewarded, and bad deeds are punished... there is simply the impact you have left upon this world, either positive or negative for your fellow humans, who are no more or less important than yourself.

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    22. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      My mum is well into House, so I saw a couple of episodes while at home - interesting character, kind of an anti-hero, he even got the diagnosis completely wrong in the light sensitivity episode lol.

      Yeah the idea of leaving a positive impact is a good one. I still find it a little depressing that memories are all that is left, but what can you do. From scientific evidence so far, it does seem likely to be the case that the end is the end, but IMO that is definitely not definite ;) I mean if we can evolve from beings who live solely on instinct, is it not possible that some kind of intelligence has evolved either from either biological beginnings as our own has, or purely physical processes? It's good to consider all people equal, though personally I know that I'm not quite as evil as a cold blooded serial killer/rapist who purposely commits heinous acts. If our entire purpose is to protect the gene pool then they are working against that. I don't believe in a heaven or a hell, but it's strange to think that if there is some kind of individual consciousness after death, that the malicious consciousnesses would also be present, which leads people to wish for a heaven and a hell.

      I believe people should be allowed to immigrate yes, though I think VISA systems are sensible for places that have limited space like the UK, otherwise the country really would degenerate into anarchy with overcrowding. I'm not an economist but I'm guessing having a massive influx of people into any country would devalue the currency and mean everyone ends up being 'poorer' like in China and India where people work for peanuts. Getting a VISA is criminally expensive though, which could be partially what you are referring to - a guy at work had to pay something like £750 each for his wife and kid to come over from Thailand. I dread to think how much it would have cost if they hadn't been married. In the UK we already take in asylum seekers who come over from various places, though I'm not sure what rights that gives them, but it's better than just turning everyone away. The US has a lot more space, and is meant to be the 'land of opportunity', so it is a little hypocritical to limit inflow from Mexico.. I don't even see why Mexico isn't a state (purely for geographical reasons, it's just as weird as Alaska being a state :p ), is it likely that they will join the US in time? Treating immigrants as second class humans is despicable, but it's basic human nature to make the most of any power you hold over someone "I'm calling immigration!" seems to be a common theme from American TV and movies when people want to get their way over an immigrant.

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    23. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Well, in the US, getting legal permission to stay in the United States is really really hard. And every time you leave the country, when you come back, they treat you like a terrorist.

      While Mexico isn't a state (and likely won't be one any time soon) New Mexico is a state. And let me tell you, there are some Hispanics from New Mexico that are more Hispanic than some Mexicans... there are people in New Mexico who cannot speak English, yet their grandparents lived in the USA, or even further back, they were here well before any colonization of the 13 colonies started.

      And I agree that we need treat serial killers/rapists differently, but that's what due process is. You are freely given all rights, and we will take them away only in situations where it has been decided by legal process that you do not deserve to have that right anymore.

      What do you mean he got the one wrong about light-sensitivity? He was wrong for a few times, as he always is, but ultimately, he diagnosed her with Clinical Rabies, which is what she had. Too bad for her, Rabies is incurable (it just infects REALLY slowly, so you can actually vaccinate against it after being bitten, and avoid development of clinical rabies, cool, no?)

      Even if you say the UK is crowded... it's not Japan crowded... Japan is heavily crowded, and low on natural resources... they certainly have a reason to control immigration (as well as parenting)... in my honest opinion, a government shouldn't be allowed to restrict immigration, until it does restrict how many children can be born. If you refuse to control one influx of citizens, you shouldn't control any other influx of citizens.

      While you say that this would drive wages down, it's entirely possible... but then cost of living would go down... recession maybe, but a good cycle of inflation/recession is good for an economy. People are likely to move to another country as long as the benefits outweigh leaving their home country behind... if the US/UK stops paying as much for their jobs, they'll have less reason to come here, and will more likely stay in their own country, and develop the economy there.

      I think it's kind of stupid that in America, we kind of let in those who are economically well off before anyone else... you end up with a situation where the US is almost bleeding Mexico of skilled workers, India of computer programmers, Canadians of comedians... If you're a successful person, you end up gravitating towards the city-countries not the rural-countries in order to maximize your earning potential. If your potential was the same in New York as it is in Mexico city... Mexico City would economically thrive just as well as New York.

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    24. Re:Wha? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I just remember an episode where a girl developed light sensitivity and House punched one of his little team of symptom analysers for being right. He saved a little girl from having a limb amputated though, so it was right to go behind House's back that time :P

      As for the economy and immigration thing, yeah Japan is the ultimate in overcrowding among well developed nations at least. While I think controlling families is sensible, it seems almost worse than controlling immigration, but I think they can pay a tax to have more than one kid? Am I thinking of China? Hmm.

      I had heard of New Mexico, I didn't realise it linked to Mexico outside of the actual name (places like New York and New England are hardly mirror images of their namesakes!), that's quite strange that non English speaking communities would grow out of American ancestry!

      As for Mexico City thriving as well as New York and attracting people in.. well it's like a chicken and egg situation that ends up as a virtuous circle if you manage to get it started - get something interesting in there, start up some industry to attract workers and the economy would surely improve itself over time, and attract in more people etc. Just the same, somewhere like New York could be hit by some natural (or unnatural) disaster and end up like New Orleans :( A quick google shows that they are up to near 2/3rds of their population again after almost 3 years, and at least since the city has some wealth behind it then it's possible to rebuild.. but I saw some footage of the place a year after Katrina, and it was still a nightmare.. every single building was damaged..

      Personally I'm quite happy where I am, and am not out looking for making a superstar career in New York or Silicon Valley or anything, I'm quite happy in Scotland :) I used to say if I moved I'd go for Canada or Japan, though I've gone off Canada a bit since I associate it so much with a bad relationship. I know that's pretty dumb but I can't help it, plus I've been to Canada now and know it's not much different from here apart from the larger scale of buildings and cars! oh and New York Fries was awesome! We need to get rid of McDonalds over here and get some New York Fries joints opened up! Anyway, that leaves Japan, and combined with me no longer being a Christian (and therefore able to be a lot more open minded towards the heavily spiritual traditions and ideas they have, which I've always thought were cool but also just had to think of them as 'wrong'), and all the funky technology they get out there, that's still an attractive proposition. I'd really have to learn the language to be able to work properly out there though I think - apparently Japanese business isn't very welcoming of foreigners. I've never even been there on a holiday though, I should do that first before making any big plans! I'm rambling again, I shall stop.

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    25. Re:Wha? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Well, the thing about New Mexico is that it has a much longer Hispanic history than any "American" history. Well before the 13 colonies were being started, New Mexico was being colonized by the Spanish. Mexico at one point was "New Spain", and then in the north, there was "New Mexico", a name that just kind of stuck. When the USA steamrolled across the country, the kind of convinced Mexico to give it over. Not to say that all the hispanics speak Spanish at all... my mother's mother was punished in school physically for speaking Spanish in school, and so she never spoke it around my mom.

      There are also a number of "odd" spanish speakers. They know all of the right prepositions, which shows that they have an incredibly high-skill in the language... but then state emphatically that they are unable to speak it. It turns out that they develop a psychological block from speaking it, because it's view so negatively here.

      My mother's mother was born into New Mexico before it was a state of the union... she remembers when it became a state even. (less than 100 years ago, in 1912) It's a lot of the reason why Hispanic culture is so strong there... and that it was colonized so early means that the culture is so strongly established... in many ways it's perhaps unique among the United States like that. While California has a lot of Mexican culture in the south, New Mexico has deep Hispanic roots older than California itself. :)

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  10. What does AP mean? by Mex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forgive the ignorance but I am not american, what does AP stand for?

    1. Re:What does AP mean? by genericpoweruser · · Score: 1

      I'm not positive (and didn't RTFA because I never do =P ) but I'm pretty sure it's Associates [degree] of Psychology.

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    2. Re:What does AP mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AP = "Advanced Placement" usually in the American mis-education system.

    3. Re:What does AP mean? by ubergamer1337 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I cant tell if your being sarcastic or not, but it stands for Advanced Placement. Its a program that allows High School students to get College Credit by taking courses taught at a College level, and then taking a test which determines how many credits you get (if any).

    4. Re:What does AP mean? by elnico · · Score: 2, Informative

      It stands for "Advanced Placement," which is typically the highest level of a course offered by a high school. High scores on AP tests (standardized tests given by College Board, the same group that does SAT testing) normally translate to credit for introductory level classes at most universities in the US.

    5. Re:What does AP mean? by Nimey · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Advanced Placement. AP classes are high school (ages 13-18) classes with more advanced topics, aimed at kids who want to go on to university. Sometimes the classes are offered with college-credit hours for a much cheaper rate than a real college would charge.

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    6. Re:What does AP mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It stands for "Advanced Placement," which is typically the highest level of a course offered by a high school. High scores on AP tests (standardized tests given by College Board, the same group that does SAT testing) normally translate to credit for introductory level classes at most universities in the US.

      Which is still pretty dumbed down from a European education.

    7. Re:What does AP mean? by Mex · · Score: 1

      Thanks =)

      Love the Firefly reference too.

    8. Re:What does AP mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for that example of a complete sentence as taught in the European education system.

    9. Re:What does AP mean? by kramerd · · Score: 1

      What high school do you go to in the US that has 13 year olds? I'm fairly certain the youngest in my high school were 15. Since Kindergarten starts at age 6, and high school starts at grade 9, that would mean you could be 14 in high school, for the one month variant between the beginning of school and the October 1 deadline for hitting 15. AP classes are not advanced topics, just advanced material. The reason that some AP classes are cheaper than at a real college is because they are given at a community college (think trade school for those not from the US). When I was in high school, I took college classes, and paid college prices, because I took them at a college.

    10. Re:What does AP mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started high school at 13, graduated at 17. Birthday in late september.

    11. Re:What does AP mean? by darthdavid · · Score: 1

      The minimum age for Kindergarten in my district is 5 and my birthday was just before the cutoff so I ended up starting with school at 4 and subsequently starting 9th grade at 13.

    12. Re:What does AP mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      International Baccalaureate for dummies.

    13. Re:What does AP mean? by freyyr890 · · Score: 1

      Here up north in Canada, entry grade is decided by year. ie: My tenth grade class is composed almost exclusively of students born in 1992 (except for special cases such as acceleration and out-of-country transfers).

    14. Re:What does AP mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It basically normalizes U.S. kids with the rest of the world. In a 4.0 system how do you get a 5.0? You pay. They didn't have AP classes when I was in High school. You got by on your merit, not extra GPs. Now it's cool to say you took "ap this or ap that".

      Just like normal classes, only one or two students will actually carry the knowledge into College. Yeah, I wish they had running start, AP crap when I was that age too; but in reality it's just a glorified extra credit that makes you look good for admissions.

    15. Re:What does AP mean? by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      free boobs! http://dailygrrl.com/

      Why do you have a link in your profile to pictures of girls you will most likely never have a chance with? Anyway, nice! I love boobs.

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    16. Re:What does AP mean? by anarkavre · · Score: 1

      free boobs! http://dailygrrl.com/

      Why do you have a link in your signature to pictures of girls you will most likely never have a chance with? Anyway, nice! I love boobs.

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  11. Windows only by GuidoJ · · Score: 1

    The game is free, although not open source... Sorry, no Mac version yet.

    Actually the game was "designed to run on Windows operating systems only", so forget about a version for Mac, linux, or anything else for that matter.

    1. Re:Windows only by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      But they offered a helpful suggestion on the site for how to run it on a mac! Remove the operating system and install windows, and it should work! That got me blinking in confusion a few times.

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  12. You forgot the other reason by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Informative

    To pay money to inflate the living hell out of your GPA so that you can have a 5.0 GPA your senior year(yes, AP classes are one point higher than your standard prole classes). AP calculus is a good idea but classes like AP history are more like tangential trivia that you will soon forget after you pass the exam.

    1. Re:You forgot the other reason by RockoTDF · · Score: 1

      Depends on the school district, some only give meager weights of .025 like my district...

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    2. Re:You forgot the other reason by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the clarification. I'd also like to point out that you don't pay money for the grade inflation, you pay money for the college credit(that is, to take the test).

    3. Re:You forgot the other reason by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "To pay money to inflate the living hell out of your GPA so that you can have a 5.0 GPA your senior year(yes, AP classes are one point higher than your standard prole classes). AP calculus is a good idea but classes like AP history are more like tangential trivia that you will soon forget after you pass the exam."

      Interesting...they didn't have anything like that when I was in high school. I took advance classes as a senior IN high school....my chemistry was pretty much the same thing I took first year in college, and my calculus teacher in high school pretty much took us through Cal I and half way through Cal II. I almost breezed through those in college, but, there was no special credit for those classes in high school.

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    4. Re:You forgot the other reason by ChangelingJane · · Score: 1

      but classes like AP history are more like tangential trivia

      It's true. AP history should be renamed "AP Jeopardy Prep". It's nothing but memorizing names and dates.

    5. Re:You forgot the other reason by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      To pay money to inflate the living hell out of your GPA

      Most major universities "deflate" the GPA when determining admissions.

    6. Re:You forgot the other reason by denton420 · · Score: 1

      Strange, I passed the test with a 4 by sleeping in class all day and not knowing a specific detail about a specific name or date. I do not even know when the constitution was signed, early 1800s?

      The test does a great job of not grading for rote memorization but rather of understanding of the fundamental historical trends.

      Sure you have to remember some terms and events to pass but no details really at all. Even in physics you must remember what variable means what and what F means depending on your course.

    7. Re:You forgot the other reason by ChangelingJane · · Score: 1

      Your AP history class was very different than mine, then. Consider yourself lucky.

    8. Re:You forgot the other reason by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Shoot, my school district gave you a big fat nothing extra for taking AP classes. The only advantage was that you could get college credit, at the risk of lowering your GPA because the material was more difficult. Of course then I got to college and discovered that almost none of them take AP credit. I think I got a grand total of 3 college credits for taking AP classes for my entire senior year, unfortunatly unless you know a full year in advance where you're going to be accepted to college, it's impossible to plan and only take the AP classes that your university will accept.

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    9. Re:You forgot the other reason by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      (yes, AP classes are one point higher than your standard prole classes).

      Depends on the state, or maybe within a state. I know that the local schools here don't, and when I was in school they didn't.

      To pay money to inflate the living hell out of your GPA

      You have to pay money to take the test, not to take the class.

      classes like AP history are more like tangential trivia that you will soon forget after you pass the exam

      Meh, I still remember my AP classes.

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    10. Re:You forgot the other reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My school didn't weight at all. This led to the mediocre kids getting all the rank-based awards (valedictorian, etc).

  13. The medium is the message. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this is what it takes to teach, so be it.
    However, for those with limited time and a real desire to read up on the subject, couldn't the information also be presented in some more traditional formats. The game didn't spring into being without storyboards, outlines and lots of other resource material in traditional format, so where is it?

    I would like to learn more about what is being taught, but I have a slow connection and an old computer. I can read quite well, thank you.

    And thank you, Marshall McLuhan.

    1. Re:The medium is the message. . . by shawb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The information you're looking for can be found here.

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    2. Re:The medium is the message. . . by chadruva · · Score: 1

      I would recommend to read the book "Immunology" from Lippincott's Illustrated Review series, is a great comprehensive introduction, covers the topic very well but does not get too complicated or deep.

      If you prefer something more deep maybe Basic Immunology from the author Abul K. Abbas, Cellular and Molecular Immunology, of the same author, from Elsevier Saunders. I used the last one on my Immunology course.

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  14. Toothless antitrust by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

    We find MS guilty of antitrust violations, and then fund programs developed exclusively for their platforms.

    My government needs to get it's act together.

  15. Fun? by BenoitRen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they wanted to make it fun for everyone, they should have made it a fun puzzle game or something instead of an FPS.

    1. Re:Fun? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      It *IS* a puzzle game. There's nothing to shoot, hell there isn't even a shoot command! Had you bothered to download the thing you'd know that.

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    2. Re:Fun? by PieceofLavalamp · · Score: 1

      whoo hoo yet another educational puzzle game. I'd be sure to stay as far aways as possible. The only educational game i've ever found to be fun was Age of Empires series.(which im sure is debatable as to its educational value but it was at least fun)

    3. Re:Fun? by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      Downloading a 500 MB game that I can't and probably won't play? How silly.

      I thought articles existed to tell us what you just said.

    4. Re:Fun? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      If you can't be bothered to verify facts why even post? Karma whoring?

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    5. Re:Fun? by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      I thought this was Slashdot, not Wikipedia [citation needed]. I read article summaries, sometimes even the whole article, like everyone else. I post because I have a comment. Simple as that.

    6. Re:Fun? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      So you post nonsense that's not true? that simple, eh?

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    7. Re:Fun? by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      Do you go around slagging every Slashdot poster who reacts to what the article summary says? You have quite a job ahead of you.

  16. No Mac by KasperMeerts · · Score: 1

    And more important: no linux version. I'll think I'll Wine it maybe.
    By the way, the game is built on DirectX so don't expect any other platform anytime soon. Seriously, why do people still code with DirectX.

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    1. Re:No Mac by Shados · · Score: 1

      Because its quite a decent bit easier, if for nothing else that DirectX covers everything from image to sound to input. The alternative is to combine multiple librairy... so that raise the barrier of entry right there. Also (I don't know if its what they did), but for simpler games, you can use Managed Direct X in .NET with performance more than good enough to make a game like this one (and then some), with 1/10th the effort.

    2. Re:No Mac by KasperMeerts · · Score: 1

      So why not SDL?
      That's easy and Microsoft is discontinuing parts of DirectX making it more and more necessary to combine libraries?

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    3. Re:No Mac by Shados · · Score: 1

      Isn't SDL not even object oriented? That would make the barrier for entry pretty high. Also, its really lacking in the feature department. Fine for a small game like this one though, I'll give you that. Total joke for most real applications though (there are exceptions).

      And for all of the modules that are discontinued in DX, there are replacements.

    4. Re:No Mac by KasperMeerts · · Score: 1

      SDL is used by Quake 4, Neverwinter Nights, ET:QW, UT2003/2004, Doom 3, Spore , and others
      If those are small games, I don't know what a big one is.

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    5. Re:No Mac by Shados · · Score: 1

      I'm no experts, but looking around, it seems like these games aren't purely SDL or whatsnot, and complement it to go around the places where it lacks. In other words, they still do have a lot of platform specific code, be it at the engine level or whatever. Not saying it doesn't help, it most likely certainly does, but again: much higher barrier of entry.

      Not that raw DX9/10 does everything either... but when it comes to top end features, it will be more "complete", and its certainly easier to use.

  17. It also stands for... by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1

    Academic Probation :).
    I've gotten into confusing conversations where one person was referring to it as this definition with a semi-apologetic nonchalance and I thought they meant Advanced Placement.

  18. Win XP 64 by redcaboodle · · Score: 1

    This game does not install on Win XP 64 (de). It says the game needs Windows XP. I assume it will not run under Vista either.

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  19. AP Immunology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had no idea there was an Advanced Placement test for Immunology.

  20. Well, no duh. by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only a Windows version, is more accurate.

    How would you create a game about fighting off viruses without an environment that's hospitable to them?

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  21. No Mac version... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... but the video shows a classroom of students running the game on a lab of iMacs! Are they really dual-booting Windows or running a VM on all those Macs just to play the game? Sounds expensive from a licensing perspective.

      Also odd, in the video when the teacher is introduced she says her name is Netia (as do the credits) but the text overlay introduces her as Jessica. Those two are not even close.

      Funny enough, a Netia Elam appeared as a contestant on a TV game show called "Love's a Trip" according to IMDB

      Wonder if it's the same woman, she's not bad looking :)

  22. Re:Imagine a million highschooled controlled nanob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and when they accidentally shoot the good ones?

  23. I thought that was.. by LM741N · · Score: 1

    a euphemism for sex education!!

  24. Glad to see this... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

    ... even if their first attempt isn't great, I've often wondered if one couldn't make a puzzle game out of teaching basic electricity and electronics. I was playing bioshock with the little 'hacking' tubes game and thought "wouldn't it be cool if this was about electronics, in 3D, and you could make stuff!"

    1. Re:Glad to see this... by pbaer · · Score: 1

      Logisim is like that but for circuits, except it isn't a game. But I could see someone making a game off of that.

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  25. You forgot one.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster running this?

  26. Carcinoma Angels by Scarbo27 · · Score: 1

    As usual, science fiction is way ahead of the curve. This concept was covered by Norman Spinrad in his short story "Carcinoma Angels" back in 1967: http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/spinrad/spinrad1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinoma_Angels // No sigs is good sigs.

  27. Re:Imagine a million highschooled controlled nanob by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    and when they accidentally shoot the good ones?

    Accidentally?

  28. Putting their money where their mouth is eh? by PaganRitual · · Score: 1

    I won't be impressed until they shell out for Dennis Quaid and Martin Short to be voice actors.

  29. Awww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The game is free, although not open source

    :(

  30. But Macs are in the Video?!? by dingleberrie · · Score: 1

    It is odd that as the game is shown under play with about 3:20 to go (as my media player shows it), that only Macs are used for playing the game. This trend continues to the end of the video. I don't get it.

  31. Bugs and Drugs in Orange Plasma by kmahan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    PLATO had a game/training program called "Bugs and Drugs". It was a 2D dungeon game where you ran into various organisms and had to prescribe the correct medicine to kill them. The best group to be a member of was the Bedpan Commandos.

    It was written back in 1978 by Mike Gorback, Dave Tanaka and Paul Alfille.

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  32. AP ~ IB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering what an AP level high school student is??

    International Baccalauriat for dummies.

  33. Re:Imagine a million highschooled controlled nanob by kalirion · · Score: 1

    When you die, can I play?

    -Gaz

  34. Working Title: Organ Trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Organ Trail: Guide your white blood cell from the pancreas through the marrow to reach the brain. Will you successfully ford the lower intestine? Thrill in excitement as you shoot antibodies at far too many bacteria to carry back! Face dread diseases on the way such as cholera and whooping cough.

  35. The game crashes by Mishotaki · · Score: 1

    The game is crashing when i try to start the "campaign" on my computer, does that mean that i'm not worthy of saving human lives?

    1. Re:The game crashes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The game is crashing when i try to start the "campaign" on my computer, does that mean that i'm not worthy of saving human lives?

      Yes

    2. Re:The game crashes by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 0

      Open the executable directly, don't use the shortcut. It crashes in fullscreen for me, but won't do so in windowed mode.

  36. AP Bio Immunology doesn't include T cells? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to nitpick, but as someone who studies T cells, I'm kinda upset to see they were left out of the game (along with the rest of adaptive immunity). I haven't played it yet (still downloading), but from what I saw in the walkthrough, it's all innate immunity (monocytes, neutrophils, etc). Since the adaptive immune system is the hallmark of the more "advanced" immune systems and is really fascinating, why was it left out? Where's the adaptive love?

    I think it's an awesome idea though. Maybe it was too much work for one game and they'll have "Immune Attack Part II: The Adaptive Response" or even "Immune Attack II: When Things Go Wrong" (autoimmunity?)

    T Cell Pride!

  37. Aperture Science Handheld Immunity Device by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    "Welcome to the Aperture Science Immunity Research Center. Today we are going to infect you with a cocktail of horrible uncurable diseases. Fortunately, we have developed the new Aperture Science Handheld Immunity Device. It is currently in beta stage. If this device fails, you will die of a horrible combination of ailements. If it is successful, you will then proceed to the next room where cake and emotional conseling will be served."

    --
    The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
    1. Re:Aperture Science Handheld Immunity Device by DrData99 · · Score: 1

      The Cake is a LIE!

  38. Not an AP exam? by penguins4ever · · Score: 3, Informative

    Er, "Immunology" is not an AP subject exam: Take a look at http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/subjects.html if you don't believe me.

  39. Wow,,,,,the controls suck by nutmegjumps · · Score: 1

    Just bad.....it would take a week to learn the controls

  40. That is a very, very scary picture by patio11 · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) Please don't teamkill the brainstem. Its sort of important, at least among those members of the species who have one.
    2) I don't care that you just scored a +10,000 Helper-T bonus, that does not mean you can release dilatory hormones to make the patient's scrotum turn red.
    3) Yes, yes, we understand -- its a breast cancer. You're in her breast. Get over it.

  41. Re:Imagine a million highschooled controlled nanob by MrNaz · · Score: 1

    Same as in any other video game: They lose points.

    --
    I hate printers.
  42. Sorry, no Mac version yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a Commodore 64, you insensitive clod!

  43. Re:Imagine a million highschooled controlled nanob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For all the clueless, this is a very funny invader zim reference... See "-Gaz"

  44. Rome: Total War by anarkavre · · Score: 1

    from the next-up-should-be-history dept.

    Isn't that what Rome: Total War is for?

    --
    "Without curiosity and knowledge, the mind is a vast void. Without the mind, curiosity and knowledge are nonexistent."
  45. Re:Imagine a million highschooled controlled nanob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is a very funny invader zim reference

    No such thing.

  46. Videogames can teach? by TheSambassador · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Videogames can teach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot Oregon Trail. How could you forget Oregon Trail? Zephram died of dysentary because of you.

  47. Not even close to accurate by Plazmid · · Score: 1

    Well it's not really even close to accurate, it looks like they aren't figuring in Brownian motion.

  48. Nostalgia by graphicsguy · · Score: 1

    Ah, feeling nostalgic for a game of Microbe on my Apple ][e.

  49. haha by xmvince · · Score: 1

    HAHA Not for Mac yet! Didn't even need to put that in there as it was already assumed. When I see a working version of Counter Strike on a Mac then I will bow down and throw away my 6-year-virus-free PC. But in all seriousness, I love Mac's, just can't afford one at the moment.

  50. It is WOW. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have any of you actually played it? As an avid gamer and medical student, I found it surpassed all my cynical musings. Apart from the lame intro and outtro It's actually really, really good and needs to be supported heavily.

    You play, you learn some, and want to learn more by then going to books after.