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Inside Steve's Brain

cgjherr writes "There are management insights to be learned from Steve Jobs? You're nuts. The only things you can learn from Jobs is how to drive people nuts. Or at least, that's what I thought up until I read 'Inside Steve's Brain.' Turns out, there are things to learn from Steve's obsessive perfectionism. Certainly I wouldn't copy every aspect of Jobs' management style. Doing that will likely get you fired, or at least reprimanded, in most companies. But there is some stuff to be learned from how Jobs designs products and analyses the market, and that's the view that Leander Kahney gives us access to." Keep reading for the rest of Jack's review. Inside Steve's Brain author Leander Kahney pages 304 publisher Portfolio rating 10 reviewer Jack Herrington ISBN 1591841984 summary A look inside Steve Jobs' management style at Apple and Pixar Chapter one covers in some detail Jobs and his relationship with Apple, both before he left and after he came back. He talks about exactly what steps Steve took to revive the company and restore the morale of the employees. As with all of the chapters it ends with a summary of what Leander thinks are the takeaways from each of the anecdotes.

Chapters two and three; Despotism and Perfectionism, talk about the two traits that most often associated with Steve. In Despotism Leander offers some stories about just how in control Steve is of every aspect of development at Apple. And Perfectionism, well, that's self explanatory. Though you'll probably find some things you don't know about exactly where Jobs gets his design and style influences.

Chapter four and five, Elitism and Passion, dig into how Jobs cultivates that magical Apple touch. He works his people inside the company and inculcates a sense of pride and perfectionism in the Apple brand. And he works the customer base through innovative advertising that promotes the ideals and the brand, even when the product was inferior when he first took over. In the short Passion chapter Leander talks about how he builds a wider sense of world changing responsibility in the company and through his products.

The sixth chapter, Inventive Spirit, cite several examples of how Jobs used his relentless management style to refine products, and most interestingly the Apple Store. He went so far as to develop a prototype store in warehouse at the edge of the Apple campus, and how he was willing to completely scrap the design of the store when it wasn't exactly right, costing him months of time.

The seventh chapter provides a complete case study on the development of the iPod and Jobs' role in that effort. It's intriguing to see how, while there had been MP3 players in the market already, Steve and his team were able to stand back and look at the larger picture of the iPod in it's complete product ecology.

The final chapter, the Whole Widget, covers what I think is the most important lesson to be learned from Apple; that they take care of the entire product cycle. Where other vendors take care of just one piece, the hardware, the software, the network, Apple takes care of everything. If there is a problem with an Apple product you take it to the Apple store and they fix it.

Leander Kahney is the same guy who wrote "The Cult of Mac" and "The Cult of iPod". He knows his way around Apple. He has a clear grasp of the history of Apple in the large and the evolution of their key products. His insights prove that he also has good working relationship with some of the people on the ground in Apple.

There are certainly some interesting anecdotes about Steve in this book. But it would be a mistake to look at the book as just some psychoanalysis of one man. Steve doesn't make all of the products himself. The developer and designers at Apple do. It's the culture of the company that Jobs' controls, but the people who work there are motivated by it and produce within it. What you really learn here is just how passionate these folks are about finely tuning everything about their products, their services, the whole deal. It's inspiring.

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292 comments

  1. Grammar Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "iPod in it's complete product ecology."

    OOPS.

    1. Re:Grammar Nazi by atari2600 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right. Big oops right there. The misuse of the apostrophe is so widespread that I am almost getting immune to the misuse. If I had a penny for every time I saw the apostrophe used to denote plural form...

    2. Re:Grammar Nazi by _Swank · · Score: 4, Funny

      let's hope you mean possessive form and not plural...or you won't have many penny's

    3. Re:Grammar Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you're American.

    4. Re:Grammar Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe the author is English?

    5. Re:Grammar Nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      analyses in english english.
      analyzes in american english.

      You are showing your cultural bias.

    6. Re:Grammar Nazi by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Well, to be honest, you'd probably have $10, but who's counting?

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    7. Re:grammar nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      people are not hung

      Speak for yourself.

    8. Re:Grammar Nazi by SevenSpirits · · Score: 1

      So you think it should be spelled "analyzez"? Interesting.

    9. Re:grammar nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lawl

    10. Re:Grammar Nazi by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

      Although, to be fair, putting an apostrophe to denote the possessive of "it" is an understandable mistake - given that about 99% of all nouns are handled in this way:

      Tim: Tim's
      The cat... : The cat's...

      Why shouldn't its, his, hers be written: it's, her's, and I guess his would become: he's or hi's? Adding apostrophes to plurals is the real faux pas.

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    11. Re:Grammar Nazi by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      Er, because they're already possessive?

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    12. Re:Grammar Nazi by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I missed that because my brain filters out sentences that include marketing gibberish like "complete product ecology". It's like a C compiler won't spot syntax errors inside comments.

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    13. Re:Grammar Nazi by robogobo · · Score: 0

      let's hope you mean possessive form and not plural...or you won't have many penny's

      umm. no. what?

    14. Re:Grammar Nazi by Elad+Alon · · Score: 1

      Sometimes there's just no other way of getting the point across concisely. Say you're writing a mathematical proof, and you use a bunch of variables named p-subscript-i. Say you also have a variable called P. When you later refer to the lowercase p's with subscripts, saying for example not more than one of them can be negative... well, you see what I just had to do.

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    15. Re:Grammar Nazi by Engine · · Score: 1

      hmm, I would have written p:s in that case. Like in CPU:s or AOM:s.

    16. Re:Grammar Nazi by somersault · · Score: 1

      aym in yoor boot, analyzin yoor spayr tyr

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    17. Re:Grammar Nazi by somersault · · Score: 1

      Aren't 100% of nouns handl'd that way? And IMO it would be his' or him's really, hi's makes no sense.

      Proper apostrophe usage was probably invented by grammar nazis just so they could criticise others' punctuation anyway.

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    18. Re:Grammar Nazi by Elad+Alon · · Score: 1

      Hardly anyone else does that, and there's basis for arguing that way is more correct.

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    19. Re:Grammar Nazi by old_bloke · · Score: 1

      When I cleaned my screen most of the apostrophes disappeared!

  2. Tons of Gems from Steve! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Turns out, there are things to learn from Steve's obsessive perfectionism.

    Example: "For every button I find, I shall kill you."

    1. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather be hung by that one-button mouse than be forced to use it...

    2. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's his unwillingness to share the means of resurrecting the victim between the killings that most deeply reflects his egomania.
      Probably hasn't figured out how to commoditize the technique.

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    3. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather be hung by that one-button mouse than be forced to use it...

      Fact: Exactly one Apple employee died presenting the Mac mouse. Zero employees died presenting the iPhone.
       
      They're learning.

    4. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd rather be hung by that one-button mouse than be forced to use it...

      Sounds good. Let me know your address and I'll get one of my old Mac mice to you in the mail right away. Does your house have good strong ceiling beams?

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    5. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by repvik · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why? The iPhone has exactly the same amount of buttons as the Mac mouse!

    6. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (That doesn't really work, because he's not forced to use it)

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    7. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by jmhoule314 · · Score: 1

      Probably hasn't figured out how to commodify the technique.
      there fixed

    8. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by BalmyBrute · · Score: 1

      Four if you include the two side ones and the one on top.

    9. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by imipak · · Score: 0, Troll

      This is pure flame by the way, I won't feel bad about being mod'd to oblivion here ;)

      "...world changing responsibility..."

      Pardon a stupid question, but exactly how does selling a shitload of computers, mp3 players and now some cellphones discharge a responsibility to change the world? The only responsibility it's discharged is to make Apple stockholders a good return on their investment, and a few old white men very rich. Woohoo, all power to the soviets, long live the revolution... christ, I feel sick. Fuck Jobs, fuck Apple, and fuck every one of you who buy his "lickable" products. All you're licking is Jobs' turtleneck.

    10. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Thank you, though that's among the more ronngg looking words I've ever seen that was, in fact, correct. English: can't live with 't, cannot live with it.

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    11. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by irae · · Score: 1

      But you can't be hung by the iPhone.

    12. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by Half+a+dent · · Score: 1

      But you can't be hung by the iPhone.

      It could be thrown at you though. But hey, at least it wouldn't hurt as much as a chair.

    13. Re:Tons of Gems from Steve! by somersault · · Score: 1

      If you can immediately distract Steve with shiny features, he will get bored of the gadget eventually and forget to examine the rest of it. If the mouse had a mini projector showing a slideshow of 'modern art' on the adjactent table surface, they may have gotten away with the button.

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  3. It only works in the top slot by davejenkins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personalities like the one that Steve Jobs shows to the world and his employees have their only chance for success in the top seat within an organization. As the summary hints, acting like Steve Jobs would get you fired pretty quickly if you were in middle-management somewhere, or just a worker-bee.

    The psychopaths must have absolute control around their environment-- they cannot be held to orders from a boss. Some of the psychos are lucky, some are just personable enough to get things done, some are obsessive yet gregarious enough to build a company.

    Steve Jobs got where he is because he never worked for anyone else-- he's never been homogenized inside the corporate zoo. Same goes for Sergei, same for Jerry Yang, Jeff Bezos, and the others: they never knelt at the trough of corporate life and got the stink of doing "just enough to not get fired" on them.

    1. Re:It only works in the top slot by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's possible to be obsessive and perfectionist without being a despot, of course. The problem is, while that attitude doesn't get you fired, it also doesn't get you promoted. Once you get a reputation as "the go-to guy" for a particular job, in a big (or even medium-sized) organization you're stuck in that role forever. I suspect this is where a lot of the "just enough to not get fired" attitude comes from. Idealistic kids take their first job thinking, "I'm going to be just like Steve Jobs, only sane." After a while they realize that all this attitude gets them is the opportunity to take orders from people who have all the sanity of Jobs and all the obsessive perfectionism of Bill Gates. Burns out the idealism pretty fast.

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    2. Re:It only works in the top slot by dedazo · · Score: 1

      Not even, not all the time. I'd like to see Job mistreat the people who actually design his hardware.

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    3. Re:It only works in the top slot by albee01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An aspect of the position Jobs has is the need to be ruthless. You don't get to and keep that position by coddling people. I suspect most of us would have ethical or emotional difficulties making the kinds of decisions Jobs and others like him need to make every day.

    4. Re:It only works in the top slot by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree whole heartedly, i used jobs as a role model when working on my MBA. My organizational behavior professor wrote me off as crazy.

      Almost 12 years later, working in an architecture firm with deals with city and state bureaucracy and also some very cunning developers in a cyclical market your either good or your dead.

      Yes being an ass hole is ill advised, being an ass hole with an uncanny ability to motivate employees to be productive and efficient and being able to make projects perform fiscally is undeniable.

      Rome wasn't built buy polite MBA's who took there teams on ropes courses on a weekly basis it was built by unyielding eccentric assholes who made you think if you screwed up they would have your head.

      I'm sure many of my own subordinates have plotted by demise but I usually pose it to them as follows. I can bring you donuts and call you buddy, or I can whip you into an outstanding worker. Which do you think will look better on you rresume?

    5. Re:It only works in the top slot by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Great, now all I have to do is found a multi-billion $ company in my garage with a handful of other guys. No pressure there.

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    6. Re:It only works in the top slot by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...Rome wasn't built by MBAs at all. When Rome was built, the Romans were a very pragmatic people who probably wouldn't have wasted their time on a group of incompetent middle-men telling professional builders and engineers what to do.

    7. Re:It only works in the top slot by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have to whip your employees into being outstanding workers, you're hiring the wrong people.

      As for Rome ... hah! As another reply to your post points out, Rome wasn't built by MBAs, or by their ancient equivalent. It was built by soldiers. Do you know anything about that world, "Brigadier?" (Probably not; business types love military imagery and "business is war" tough talk, but they prefer that Other Sorts Of Peple do the real thing.) I do, and I can assure you that self-important REMFs like you don't do very well at all when the bleeding starts.

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    8. Re:It only works in the top slot by Brigadier · · Score: 1, Insightful

      well I've never been laid off have you ? chill this isn't an ego trip.

      secondly yes most employees have to be motivated to see there own true potential. I many cases most people if they had the opportunity to see them self at full potential would never believe it was them. a good manager helps them to see this in themself.

    9. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My organizational behavior professor wrote me off as crazy.

      I'd call you crazy, too, if you turned in an MBA thesis full of spelling and punctuation errors.

    10. Re:It only works in the top slot by nick.ian.k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sure many of my own subordinates have plotted by demise but I usually pose it to them as follows. I can bring you donuts and call you buddy, or I can whip you into an outstanding worker. Which do you think will look better on you rresume?

      That depends. If they fit into the all-whip all-the-time culture, they'll flourish. If not, it'll look worse, because their work will ultimately suffer under the tremendous amounts of stress induced by being left on pins and needles all the time. In this case, it'll look better if they acknowledge the management style wasn't effective and they left for somewhere else where they meshed with the culture better. Assuming they're competent, of course.

    11. Re:It only works in the top slot by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

      I disagree whole heartedly, i used jobs as a role model when working on my MBA. My organizational behavior professor wrote me off as crazy.

      Almost 12 years later, working in an architecture firm with deals with city and state bureaucracy and also some very cunning developers in a cyclical market your either good or your dead.

      Yes being an ass hole is ill-advised, being an ass hole with an uncanny ability to motivate employees to be productive and efficient and being able to make projects perform fiscally is undeniable.

      Rome wasn't built buy polite MBA's who took there teams on ropes courses on a weekly basis it was built by unyielding eccentric assholes who made you think if you screwed up they would have your head.

      Ok, I don't like "grammer nazis" and picking on someone's writing style is petty but Jesus H. Cockstain, you say you have a graduate-level degree?

      Here's a pile of commas. ,,,,,,,
      Just fling them at your post, some of them might even land where they're needed.

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    12. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      got the stink of doing "just enough to not get fired" on them.

      Personal problems much?

    13. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      spelling helps too.

    14. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      what a joke. You've determined that you are capable of creating "outstanding workers" from ordinary humans. It's people like you who ruin careers - your version of "outstanding" isn't the same as someone else's, and most experience gained under your highness won't be portable to another job. I'd never want your name on a resume.

    15. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree whole heartedly, i used jobs as a role model when working on my MBA. My organizational behavior professor wrote me off as crazy.

      Almost 12 years later, working in an architecture firm with deals with city and state bureaucracy and also some very cunning developers in a cyclical market your either good or your dead.

      Yes being an ass hole is ill advised, being an ass hole with an uncanny ability to motivate employees to be productive and efficient and being able to make projects perform fiscally is undeniable.

      Rome wasn't built buy polite MBA's who took there teams on ropes courses on a weekly basis it was built by unyielding eccentric assholes who made you think if you screwed up they would have your head.

      I'm sure many of my own subordinates have plotted by demise but I usually pose it to them as follows. I can bring you donuts and call you buddy, or I can whip you into an outstanding worker. Which do you think will look better on you rresume?

      So... which of your "subordinates" chose your username?

    16. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      your either good or your dead.

      Ow...

      buy polite

      Ow...

      took there teams

      Ow... Someone make it stop...

    17. Re:It only works in the top slot by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Informative

      you say you have a graduate-level degree?

      You do know that here in America, they give out MBAs (supposedly a "graduate" degree) to anyone with a pulse, a way to pay tuition, and an asshole, don't you?

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    18. Re:It only works in the top slot by Bloodoflethe · · Score: 1

      That is orthogonal to the point he is making here. It doesn't make him any less right.

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    19. Re:It only works in the top slot by definate · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, nice rhetoric! I didn't realize this "fact".

      You really should correct the wikipedia article and the many other articles online which prove elsewise.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_commerce

      Seriously, you've never heard about the rise and fall of the roman empire, being largely due to their economy?

      Or you couldn't have at least typed in one of many google queries before posting?

      It's ridiculous you were modded so high.

      Also, if we assume that by MBA's you mean the upper ranks of business, then you're just talking about leaders and people who's sole purpose is to create value for others. With this definition, I think you'll find EVERY society has been created by people with this drive.

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    20. Re:It only works in the top slot by definate · · Score: 1

      I think what you're talking about here is a leadership framework. I'm a fan of the Situational Leadership model.

      The only time I've found being an "arsehole" (relative term here) actually works is when your employees are in a R1 readiness state. They feel more comfortable with you using a S1 style.

      However, if you don't change inrelation to their development, you're going to be shooting yourself in the foot, since you'll gain resentment, inefficiencies and you'll have low skill retention.

      There is no one way you should act all the time, your style needs to change with the person/situation/etc.

      (You probably know this, just didn't articulate it.)

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    21. Re:It only works in the top slot by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Steve Jobs got where he is because he never worked for anyone else-- he's never been homogenized inside the corporate zoo.

      Jobs worked for HP and Atari before Apple, although not for long.

    22. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Umm. Jeff B. did work for other companies...
      From Wikipedia: "After graduating from Princeton, Bezos worked on Wall Street in the computer science field. Then he worked on building a network for international trade for a company known as Fitel. Later on Bezos also worked in computer science for D. E. Shaw & Co.."

    23. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "Asshole", not "Ass hole". Asshole.

    24. Re:It only works in the top slot by linhares · · Score: 0, Troll
      Buddy, you've got an MBA? Congratulations! How about learning to spell now?

      First Phase: did you mean wholeheartedly?

      Second Phrase: YOU'RE either good or YOU'RE dead

      Third Phrase: asshole; "make projects perform fiscally"? Isn't financially a little bit better?

      Fourth Phrase: Rome wasn't built BY polite MBA's who took THEIR teams on ropes courses on a weekly basis (.) it was built by unyielding eccentric assholes who made you think if you screwed up they would have your head.

      And now to the finish line: I'm sure many of my own subordinates have plotted MY demise but I usually pose it to them as follows. I can bring you donuts and call you buddy, or I can whip you into an outstanding worker. Which do you think will look better on you rresume? (rresume rhymes with costume, résumé is how it's spelled by non-MBAs)

      There. FIFY.

      Boy, are your subordinates glad you're such a perfectionist!!

    25. Re:It only works in the top slot by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that lead you to question whether a corporate system that forces people to make those decisions is healthy? Whether a structure that requires people with no empathy at its highest levels will be one under which decisions are made that benefit humanity?

    26. Re:It only works in the top slot by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Rome was built by slaves. Slaves and stuff they pillaged from countries they'd just expanded their empire into.

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    27. Re:It only works in the top slot by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      Rome wasn't built buy polite MBA's who took there teams on ropes courses on a weekly basis it was built by unyielding eccentric assholes who made you think if you screwed up they would have your head.

      Err, no, it was built by the strong link between progression in the senatorial elite and military achievement (couldn't have one without the other), and the martial culture of Rome, and that empire building was not good for many of the nations which got in the way and were enslaved.

      By the time the kind of eccentric asshole emperors that Hollywood specialises in were in power, it was all over for Rome and nothing left but civil wars and a slow decline.

    28. Re:It only works in the top slot by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny

      You do know that here in America, they give out MBAs (supposedly a "graduate" degree) to anyone with a pulse, a way to pay tuition, and an asshole, don't you?

      I thought you got the asshole thrown in for free when you "graduated"?

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    29. Re:It only works in the top slot by aurispector · · Score: 1

      You're right; these guys would probably not make it in a standard corporate environment. Their creativity and drive would be stifled by the requirement to fit in and the world would lack the results of their vision. Thank god for the entrepreneurial spirit.

      Jobs in particular is a perfect example, but you could also include Bill Gates. In fact, the hallmark of a second rate organization is the inability to quickly promote this kind of person into positions of responsibility. The ability to herd a group of people toward a particular goal is rare enough. That's called leadership. VISION is the ability to create and define the goal in such a way that people willingly work toward it.

      Say what you like about Jobs, Gates and the rest. I have a hell of a lot of respect for their accomplishments due to the sheer magnitude of the task and its impact on the world. I KNOW I couldn't do it.

      Then there's people like Darl McBride...

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    30. Re:It only works in the top slot by somersault · · Score: 1

      "Ass-hole" is also commonly accepted in traditional vulgar parlance.

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    31. Re:It only works in the top slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a truly embittered worker bee. :>

      Alternatively, you could say that these individuals had ideas how to do things better, and didn't just whine about it to their friends all day.

    32. Re:It only works in the top slot by be951 · · Score: 1

      Being empathetic and making hard decisions are not mutually exclusive. Of course, firing poor performers is not necessarily a hard decision. I think the GP post is mistaken in saying that a CEO needs to be ruthless, which is not the same thing as not "coddling people".

    33. Re:It only works in the top slot by mrraven · · Score: 1

      Very true they even gave one to George Dubya Bush who has a proven room temperature I.Q.

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  4. Correct me if I'm wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That doesn't read like a review.

    More like a plug that reads like an 8th grade book report.

    "And then the main character does this. And then he goes and does this. And then..."

  5. Inside Steve's Brain by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 1

    is proprietary hardware that brain surgeons can't operate on without voiding the warranty.

  6. Not all himself? by prgrmr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steve doesn't make all of the products himself.

    Does the book tell us which one he does make all by himself?

    1. Re:Not all himself? by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      man I really feel let down by that. I really thought Steve personally and completely by himself assembled each and every of those iPods and iMacs that leave the apple premises. This is such a bummer, how does that square with him 'single-handedly turning apple around' ?

    2. Re:Not all himself? by hitmark · · Score: 1

      iirc, none.

      the first apples where woz, then it was raskin on the mac, these days, no clue what so ever...

      but iirc, the ipod was a outsider product snapped up by apple. still, jobs had the final say on it about stuff like equalizer settings if the web stories are to be believed...

      in the end, jobs is the kind of person that tells the people under him that something should work some specific way, or the people can find themselves somewhere else to work...

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      comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
    3. Re:Not all himself? by Xaroth · · Score: 1

      Oh, everyone knows that one - The Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field(tm).

    4. Re:Not all himself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes - the iPoop. Steve makes that regularly. Just ask his fanboys who swear they taste like ice cream!

  7. Shocked! by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm SHOCKED to discover that people could learn something from a man who has completely and utterly turned Apple around from a company on its way to failure into a company that is flourishing and growing and showing no signs of slowing down any time soon.

    SHOCKED, I tell you.

    One may not agree with him. One may not like him. But, anyone who claims that there's nothing to learn from the man is an idiot.

    1. Re:Shocked! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question is, can what we learn from Jobs be generally applied? Was his success at Apple something which anyone could replicate, or was it a function of a particular time, place, and situation? It seems to me that a lot of these sorts of case studies try to generalize too much from specific circumstances -- and doing the right thing at the wrong time, so to speak, can be a disaster.

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    2. Re:Shocked! by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One may not agree with him. One may not like him. But, anyone who claims that there's nothing to learn from the man is an idiot.

      Same could be said about Hitler.

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    3. Re:Shocked! by nomadic · · Score: 1

      utterly turned Apple around from a company on its way to failure into a company that is flourishing and growing

      Ummm...he was the one who led Apple into failure initially. Though I'll freely admit he did a good job of turning it around when he came back. But he shouldn't get that much credit for cleaning up his own mess.

    4. Re:Shocked! by pluther · · Score: 1

      The original Macintosh was a failure?
      Because that's the last product Jobs worked on before returning.

      Of course, he also worked on the Apple III and Lisa, but neither product sunk the company, or even came close. Both cost a lot of time an money, but both led to valuable lessons. And the losses were more than made up for by the Apple IIGS and the Macintosh, respectively.

      Now if you want to talk about NeXT, you may have a case...

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    5. Re:Shocked! by HisMother · · Score: 0

      Godwined!

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    6. Re:Shocked! by whisper_jeff · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ummm...he was the one who led Apple into failure initially.

      Really? I seem to recall him not being a part of the company as it slowly slid down the toilet. Hence the "when he came back" portion - he was off doing his own thing with NeXT. Between '85 and '97, he wasn't a part of Apple so I don't really see how it was he who led the company to failure... Or are you referring to the industry-wide sales slump in '84 which led to the power struggle that saw him leave Apple? Industry-wide is hardly his fault...

    7. Re:Shocked! by lastchance_000 · · Score: 1

      How did he lead them to failure? He wasn't at Apple when the decline happened. Scully and Amelio were in charge during Apple's decline in the early 90's.

    8. Re:Shocked! by dk.r*nger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same could be said about Hitler.

      Certainly. Now, who is it we usually refer to when a government tries to grab a little too much power, or when a public figure is able to excite a large group about an extreme political position with oratory?

      Also, I'd say that it can be argued that the UN and the European community were founded on the principle of avoiding the situation that allowed Hitler to grab power in Germany with significant public support.

    9. Re:Shocked! by amasiancrasian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish I had mod points for your post--Steve Jobs exemplifies a self-made man. He never relied on the education system to get him where he is, he never worked a day of his life outside a company he didn't build. An entrepreneur is someone like Steve.

      CEOs with MBAs are usually ruined because they rely on their so-called "experience." Usually that kind of experience is putting together a textbook model of the ideal organization.

    10. Re:Shocked! by tenton · · Score: 1

      You forgot the one that really got them into the deeper mess, Spindler. Sure, the end of Scully's reign had them trying to live off the fat profits too much, but it was Spindler that gave them the 12 gajillion crappy models of Performas with tons of inventory left in the channel. Amelio gets a bit of a bum rap; he had to slog through all the crap Spindler left him with. Amelio got the ball rolling; remember who was there when the decision to buy NeXT was made.

    11. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly. Now, who is it we usually refer to when a government tries to grab a little too much power

      George W. Bush.

      or when a public figure is able to excite a large group about an extreme political position with oratory?

      Big Brother.

      Hitler is dead.

    12. Re:Shocked! by Jupiter+Jones · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs exemplifies a self-made man. ...he never worked a day of his life outside a company he didn't build.

      Except for when he entertained children while dressed as an "Alice in Wonderland" character at the mall.

      Oh, and when he worked at Hewlett-Packard.

      And at Atari. (Twice!)

      Not to mention all those days spend working at Pixar. (He didn't build that company. He just bought it.)



      JJ

    13. Re:Shocked! by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 1

      Umm...

      Godwin's Law?

    14. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, oh God. Modded informative.

    15. Re:Shocked! by downhole · · Score: 1

      Also, I'd say that it can be argued that the UN and the European community were founded on the principle of avoiding the situation that allowed Hitler to grab power in Germany with significant public support.

      Yes, now they're going to make it so that you no longer need significant public support to grab power...

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    16. Re:Shocked! by mrdoogee · · Score: 1

      To be more accurate, Big Brother is used as more of a catch-all term for surveillance. Orwell used the term more in the sense you mean, but pop culture has watered it down to mostly meaning overbearing control.

    17. Re:Shocked! by fbartho · · Score: 1

      To be fair, he was a great public speaker, I don't doubt that one could learn from his techniques at that.

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    18. Re:Shocked! by mrdoogee · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that you're thinking of Woz for HP.

    19. Re:Shocked! by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 1

      NeXT ended up being a success since Jobs managed to convince Apple to pay him hundreds of millions to let him and his NeXT employees basically take over Apple in what ended up being more or less a coup.

      NeXT was just where Jobs hung around for 10 years creating the best desktop OS on the planet until someone was bright enough to buy it. Hell, the first GUI desktop OS that surpassed NEXTSTEP was OS X, which is basically NEXTSTEP anyway.

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    20. Re:Shocked! by ahankinson · · Score: 1

      Godwin++ Good call.

    21. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two minutes hate.

    22. Re:Shocked! by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The original Macintosh was a failure?

      Yes. Sales were on the whole, poor; the only thing that eventually saved it was LaserWriter and the desktop publishing market, and that niche market is what sustained Apple for the next 20 years.

      Folks, I was around back then; Apple wasn't trying to corner a niche market, they were going for the mainstream. It was their failure, despite Jobs' and Sculley's best efforts, that led to Apple's low market share. If it wasn't for the desktop publishing aspect they would be a distant memory.

      What the modern Apple fanatic doesn't seem to get is back then there wasn't this huge pool of desktop computers. Apple had the opportunity to dominate, but they didn't; they had the technical expertise (Wozniak deserves his reputation) but Jobs' ego and control freak-nature forced them into a market that they never escaped until the ipod came around.

      Because that's the last product Jobs worked on before returning.

      And the disappointing sales of the mac was one of the reasons Jobs was forced out.

    23. Re:Shocked! by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      [Steve Jobs] was the one who led Apple into failure initially.

      That's strange--did Steve change his name to Gil Amelio for a few years?

    24. Re:Shocked! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs exemplifies a self-made man. He never relied on the education system to get him where he is, he never worked a day of his life outside a company he didn't build. An entrepreneur is someone like Steve.

      Like most self-made men, he should sue the fucking builder who made him into an arrogant arsehole.

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    25. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who was the guy who said that 64K was enough?

      Who was the guy who had engineers go behind his back to put in useful stuff and when he found out that it was useful realised it was his idea all along?

      Who was the guy who stopped production of the II so that all the focus would be on the Mac?

    26. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs was the guy who created the situation that he had to be got rid of so that the company could be saved.
      You cannot give a company a brain transplant overnight and the new management were not able to erase his errors.
      The Performa was an attempt to get back the II market which Jobs got rid of because he was not responsible for it.

  8. wrong Steve by syrinx · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought this was going to be about Ballmer, and we could get some insights on how to fucking kill our competitors, and maybe some tips on the best way to throw chairs.

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    1. Re:wrong Steve by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Two not-entirely-seperate goals.

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    2. Re:wrong Steve by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Inside Ballmer's brain, you'll only find a series of much smaller chairs. But instead of Aerons, they're called Neurons.
       

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    3. Re:wrong Steve by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      and maybe some tips on the best way to throw chairs.

      It's all in the wrist! the wrist! the wrist!

      -- The Other Steve

    4. Re:wrong Steve by KevinKnSC · · Score: 3, Funny

      At least you get pretty regular Ballmer coverage here on /., while I'm still waiting for a single article about Steve Guttenberg.

    5. Re:wrong Steve by RedneckJack · · Score: 0

      Nah....... Ballmer throwing chairs ? He is just an amateur. The pro on throwing chairs is none other than former IU Coach Bobby Knight. He knows how to throw them !

    6. Re:wrong Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As funny as it is, this is actually more insightful. Apple is a big company, but Microsoft is huge, and I don't mean that in a small way :-)

  9. "If there is a problem with an Apple product.." by mooncaine · · Score: 2, Informative

    "If there is a problem with an Apple product you take it to the Apple store and they fix it."

    Fiction.

    It's just not true. Ask them to figure out why your iCal isn't syncing with your dotMac or "MobileMe" account, and see how far you get with that. I was told to email for support.

    1. Re:"If there is a problem with an Apple product.." by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Informative

      [sigh] Macs do not cost anywhere near 50% more than comparable PCs. The "Apple premium" over PCs from other brand-name computer manufacturers such as Dell, HP, etc. is usually 10-20% at most; occasionally a Mac will actually be cheaper than a comparable PC, although that doesn't happen very often. If you want to say that Mac users generally pay more for their machines than those who buy comparable PCs, I won't argue with you, but "50% more than comparable tech elsewhere" is absurd and makes the rest of your argument easy to dismiss.

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    2. Re:"If there is a problem with an Apple product.." by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      Products that cost 50% more than comparable tech elsewhere because they have a tiny fruit symbol on them had BETTER work perfect... all the time.

      Same goes for your underwear.

    3. Re:"If there is a problem with an Apple product.." by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      apple ... computers? Sure, I'll agree with you @ 10-20%. Apple products? much more (especially in previous generations).

    4. Re:"If there is a problem with an Apple product.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Apple premium" over PCs from other brand-name computer manufacturers such as Dell, HP, etc. is usually 10-20% at most;

      Huh? Selling stuff I don't need and saying it is not more expensive is bullshit. Mac comes with things I don't need: mammoth memory (1 GB is enough), a proprietary OS (Linux is fine), huge harddrive (I'm fine with a cheap, quiet, low power notebook drive in my pc), museum quality case (basic black for me), etc. Selling lot of stuff I don't need to surf, mail, manipulate documents, game, etc, is a WASTE of money and it costs more. How many NEW Apple models are available at any given time? A dozen maybe. Such limited choice means money is wasted - or you are shopping used equipment to get discounted Apple gear. If you look at how the technology functions, then YES! OH GOD YES! you can get comparable to most Macs at half the cost. There are some exceptions (e.g., as thin as the Air) on their new products. Kudos for that! There is a Mac premium and it is greater than 10-20% typically. I say 100% but my needs are simple.

  10. it doesn't apply the way the summary says it by jacquesm · · Score: 1

    When you're the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company you get a lot of leeway when it comes to your attitude, especially if you are a successful CEO. If you think of emulating Jobs' character traits in your day job then maybe you should create some startup company instead.

    1. Re:it doesn't apply the way the summary says it by kellyb9 · · Score: 1

      I think thats the same with just about anything. People will follow Steve Jobs like he is some kind of savior right now because everything he touches turns to gold. If it were the other way around, people would be blaming his poor management style for bad performance. You see the same thing in professional sports all the time. You'll have a manager who is,for lack of a better word, a jerk, and people buy into it because he gets results. The second that team starts to lose a few games, they'll turn on the managerial style faster then anything. As long as Steve Jobs continues his success, things will go well and people will think he's brilliant, the second that begins to change, or better yet, if it changes, he'll be gone.

    2. Re:it doesn't apply the way the summary says it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe you should create some startup company instead.

      Yes! and it shall henceforth be known as oHell.
      Slap red paint on everything and have slaughtered mannequins randomly seated in some of the cubicles or impaled on spikes. The elevator should play music in reverse and only service floors 2 and the basement. Setup some system to randomly blast obscenities over the intercom and flicker the lights. For every real door, two fake ones are added, one of which leads nowhere, and the other perpetually locked. On the roof, a castle built from tarps, cinderblocks and cubicles made of cardboard boxes. Water fountains outside bathrooms dispense a mixture of 70% stale coffee and 30% lighter fluid. Raise a pack of wolves in the basement, goats on the top floor. Employees who use the elevator will be eaten by the wolves in the elevator, which then escape onto the second floor and travel up through the building to get at the goats. Company dresscode requires all employees to wear gas masks, black togas and women's shoes.

      Any CEOs attitude will appear to be a refreshing blend of wit and humor under these circumstances.

  11. Steve's brain? by harshmanrob · · Score: 0

    Hmmmm....easy one here.

    Steve Jobs posts the image of harden socialist fighting against the machine/man to get you to buy his product because you are suppose to think if you DO buy his products, you are HURTING others, like:

    Microsoft...makes Windows and is BAD! And who is significant investor in Apple and saved Apple from going under?...ok bad example...

    Intel...Yeah..those sorry Intel bastards makes chips for Apple, wait?...ok, not good either..you obviously cannot be against them...

    Neocons...yeah...evil capitalist Republicans who hate minorities and poor people...but Rush Limbaugh uses an Mac and in fact most Republicans do...hmmm...

    Ok, I guess I am reading too far into this. I guess you are SUPPOSE to think you are hurting the man when you buy a Mac or an iPhone yet Apple's board is full of people who wouldn't be caught dead giving away to charities or helping out at a soup kitchen.

    So I guess Steve's brain is pretty smart there. I mean he got you buy a Mac and/or iPhone and made you think you were hurting someone while doing it. You dumbasses, that is why I use Vista.

    1. Re:Steve's brain? by harshmanrob · · Score: 0

      I meant to say a lot of "top" Republicans have admitted to using a Mac. Most people who vote Republican that are living in a trailer, drinking Colt 45 and yelling "let's keel them muzleems" cannot afford one.

    2. Re:Steve's brain? by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      "So I guess Steve's brain is pretty smart there. I mean he got you buy a Mac and/or iPhone and made you think you were hurting someone while doing it. You dumbasses, that is why I use Vista."

      So you could hurt yourself?

      Too easy, I know, I know.

    3. Re:Steve's brain? by harshmanrob · · Score: 0

      What the hell does that even mean? How did I hurt myself? I did not buy any Apple shit.

    4. Re:Steve's brain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most ridiculous "buy our product to stick it to the man" ad was a very short-lived ad for GEICO car insurance earlier this year.

      Because nothing says "stick it to the man" like mailing monthly checks to Warren Buffet!

    5. Re:Steve's brain? by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      Just a stupid vista joke, thats all.

  12. Inside Jobs' Brain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God!

  13. Being John Malkovich Sequel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What else would you expect from someone who works on "1 infinite loop"?

  14. Jobs role in Apple is overrated by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple's early success really isn't attributable to Jobs. The Apple II was Wozniak's thing. Jobs insisted on a moulded plastic case for the Apple II, but Commodore had that, too. The Lisa (a good machine, but too expensive because the parts cost was too high back then) was a commercial flop. The original Mac (not enough memory, no hard drive) was too weak to be useful, and the Mac was a commercial flop until it was built up to Lisa specs of 1MB or so and a hard drive. (Understand that there were UNIX workstations with graphics years before the Mac came out. Cost, not innovation, was the problem in the early days.)

    What actually saved Apple was the LaserWriter. That's what made the Mac useful and created the "desktop publishing" industry.

    1. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      And the reason they got that far was the 80 column card add-on designed and built by a third party for the Apple II and the software that then sprang up to make use of it.

      Apple's early success really isn't attributable to Jobs. The Apple II was Wozniak's thing. Jobs insisted on a moulded plastic case for the Apple II, but Commodore had that, too. The Lisa (a good machine, but too expensive because the parts cost was too high back then) was a commercial flop. The original Mac (not enough memory, no hard drive) was too weak to be useful, and the Mac was a commercial flop until it was built up to Lisa specs of 1MB or so and a hard drive. (Understand that there were UNIX workstations with graphics years before the Mac came out. Cost, not innovation, was the problem in the early days.)

      What actually saved Apple was the LaserWriter. That's what made the Mac useful and created the "desktop publishing" industry.

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    2. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple's early success really isn't attributable to Jobs.

      Never underestimate the role that Jobs had in marketing the product. Some of the greatest technical achievements have never seen the general light of day because they weren't properly marketed. Overall, Jobs has had an incredible streak of wins. As you point out, it hasn't been without failures. But on the whole Apple has been wildly successful with him at the helm.
       

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    3. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      From the archives of Slashdot, ca. 1984, story: Apple Releases Macintosh:

      Lame (Score: +5, Insightful)
      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 24, 1984 @1:24 pm (#124)

      Not enough memory. No hard drive. Lame.

    4. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "West of Eden", by Frank Rose does a good job of covering Steve's earlier period.

      http://www.amazon.com/West-Eden-Innocence-Apple-Computer/dp/0140093729

    5. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jobs had one skill that was VITAL to Apple that Woz didn't: charisma. Much as I admire and love Woz, there is no way that Apple would have went anywhere had Jobs not been there to sell it. It would have been just another cool thing invented by an eccentric guy in his garage that never panned out into anything.

      I'm no fan of Jobs, and I do agree that Woz got kind of screwed on the deal. But there is no way Apple would have become Apple without both Steves.

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    6. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Steve never thought about selling macs, that was Jobs. That is what made Jobs, he makes products. Lots of guys hacked around with chipboards till Jobs came around.

    7. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by Crazyswedishguy · · Score: 1

      Apple's early success really isn't attributable to Jobs.

      Probably one of the reasons he was fired.

      But since his return, you could attribute a lot of Apple's recent success to him.
      And to be honest, Apple has been immensely successful in the past few years, with the iPod, Mac OSX, Intel Macs and the iPhone being immediate examples that come to mind.

      As small as their market share still is, Apple has done a great job at growing in recent years. I can only speak from my personal experience, but at the college I went to, Apple's market share was much higher than in the rest of the market (I would guess almost as high as 30%, with lots of campus machines being Macs as well). I can only imagine that a lot of these people will grow up to use Macs at home (and maybe eventually in the office as well).

      Having grown up in Europe, I hardly knew about Apple until the iPod. Being somewhat technologically curious I knew Macs existed and I knew what they were, but I had never really come across one. It's only until I went to college in the US that I started seeing them all over the place. Now I feel they're capturing some European market share as well.

      Obligatory disclaimer: I do like Macs personally even though I have to use Windows at work, but I would hardly consider myself an irrational fanboi. I think some of the criticism is warranted, but overall, even if you don't like them there's no denying that Apple has been doing something right in the past few years... Just look at their financials.

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    8. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by pkarlos_76 · · Score: 1

      From the archives of Slashdot, ca. 1984, story: Apple Releases Macintosh:

      Lame (Score: +5, Insightful)
      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 24, 1984 @1:24 pm (#124)

      Not enough memory. No hard drive. Lame.

      Wow internet in 1984, I thought internet was only for Big Brother back then.....I guess George Orwell forgot to mention "Internet & Slashdot" in his story!!! :D

    9. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by 4D6963 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow internet in 1984, I thought internet was only for Big Brother back then.....I guess George Orwell forgot to mention "Internet & Slashdot" in his story!!! :D

      Huh.. You know 1984 wasn't just a novel, it was also a year. If I recall correctly it took place about 24 years ago and lasted for about 366 days. Look it up!

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    10. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed, picture Apple without Jobs' contribution surviving until the 2000s whereas every other non-IBM PC clone died in a way or another. Right, that sounds impossible without Jobs' charisma, leadership and vision. And the Apple II only got Apple that far, Apple would have experienced a relatively quick death without the Macintosh, which I believe wouldn't have occurred if it wasn't for Jobs.

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    11. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by GoodNicksAreTaken · · Score: 1

      Internet in 1984 surprises me less than that there was ever a time when Slashdot wasn't full of Apple fan bois.

    12. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Going from memory here (oh oh...) I think there was a time very early in the original Apple computer's life when Jobs managed to get credit for components using nothing but force of personality. Then there were the sales, persuading retailers to stock the thing.

      And didn't Jobs talk Wozniak into leaving HP and focusing on Apple?

      All the technical genius in the world would never have resulted in Apple becoming more than a garage company, and all the personality and salesmanship in the world can't sell a non-existant product. It took the respective geniuses of both Wozniak and Jobs to get the company started.

    13. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      What about PostScript (related to the LaserWriter)? How about full 32-bit color years before PC? What about Microsoft Office years before PC? What about Photoshop years (and at least three versions) before PC? What about CD-Rom years before PC? What about the Internet? The fact that you no longer needed Mac versions of stuff because you could just go online helped save Macs.

      Actually, though, you are right...without DTP, I think Mac would have been toast. The problem writing Mac off to just DTP, though, is that the print industry (and associated other industries) was (and still remains) big enough to support a specialized computer system like Mac OS. Good thing the Internet came along to make our Macs even more useful.

    14. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by triffid_98 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I don't know about that, back in college I used a mac 512e with dual floppies for all of my papers. For general use it was hardly a beast but WYSIWG and a GUI was rather revolutionary at the time...and onto an Epson dot-matrix mind you, not an Apple printer.

      The Lisa (a good machine, but too expensive because the parts cost was too high back then) was a commercial flop. The original Mac (not enough memory, no hard drive) was too weak to be useful, and the Mac was a commercial flop until it was built up to Lisa specs of 1MB or so and a hard drive. (Understand that there were UNIX workstations with graphics years before the Mac came out. Cost, not innovation, was the problem in the early days.)

    15. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 1

      > Cost, not innovation

      Isn't most innovation in computers about cost? Mainframes replaced by Minis replaced by Workstations replaced by PCs replaced by Phones. The driver is cost.

      There was some non-cost innovation, but you have to go back decades for it.

    16. Re:Jobs role in Apple is overrated by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      There was an Internet in 1984. I was there.

      Now you kids get off of my lawn!

  15. Wozniak by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd much rather see into Steve Wozniak's head. The 'Mozart of the Motherboard' must have some beautiful stuff going on in there.

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    1. Re:Wozniak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've probably already crawled through woz.org, but in case you haven't, there's some insight for you...

      http://www.woz.org/

    2. Re:Wozniak by lpangelrob · · Score: 1

      Here: http://www.amazon.com/iWoz-Computer-Invented-Personal-Co-Founded/dp/0393061434 - I don't think that's a referral link, and apologies in advance if it is.

      The book never says it, but the short end of the story is that Jobs would be where he is without Woz. The opposite is also true, but to a much lesser extent.

    3. Re:Wozniak by guzziguy · · Score: 1

      "I'd much rather see into Steve Wozniak's head. The 'Mozart of the Motherboard' must have some beautiful stuff going on in there."

      Ummm... be careful what you wish for. The man has seen Kathy Griffin naked. (shudder)

    4. Re:Wozniak by HonkyLips · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, then why don't you buy iWoz (ISBN 978-0393330434). I have both and preferred iWoz. It's a good read but the author tends to eulogise a bit... http://www.amazon.com/iWoz-Computer-Invented-Personal-Co-Founded/dp/0393330435/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216234368&sr=8-1 -Chris

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    5. Re:Wozniak by dubl-u · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On one hand you have Jobs who is raking millions, and on the other hand you have Woznaik who is standing in a line to get iPhone.

      Wozniak stands in line because he wants to stand in line.

      Unlike Jobs, he isn't into the me-big-monkey game of primate dominance, where your sense of self-worth is tied to the number of people you can push around. I've met Wozniak at couple of conferences, and he's a nice guy: friendly, engaging, and charmingly geeky about his enthusiasms.

      Wozniak could certainly afford all manner of personal assistants and minions to go buy stuff for him. But he doesn't. Instead, he chose to stand in line with everybody else. And for that, I give him mad respect.

    6. Re:Wozniak by mewsenews · · Score: 1

      the general public's perception of our beloved woz seems very poor. i saw adam corolla as a guest on jay leno describing his meeting with some guy "dressed like a hobo" who he had "no idea was behind apple computers".

    7. Re:Wozniak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A billionaire loser, in fact...

    8. Re:Wozniak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wozniak == 10011010^00110001

      There ya go!

    9. Re:Wozniak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought he cut in line?

    10. Re:Wozniak by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Unlike Jobs, he isn't into the me-big-monkey game of primate dominance, where your sense of self-worth is tied to the number of people you can push around. I've met Wozniak at couple of conferences, and he's a nice guy: friendly, engaging, and charmingly geeky about his enthusiasms.

      Wozniak could certainly afford all manner of personal assistants and minions to go buy stuff for him. But he doesn't. Instead, he chose to stand in line with everybody else. And for that, I give him mad respect.

      Woz is a true engineer where as Jobs is just a glorified marketing manager (and the third biggest reason I dislike Apple behind the extreme vendor lockin and extreme elitist attitude).

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    11. Re:Wozniak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wozniak stands in line because he wants to stand in line.

      Unlike Jobs, he isn't into the me-big-monkey game of primate dominance, where your sense of self-worth is tied to the number of people you can push around. I've met Wozniak at couple of conferences, and he's a nice guy: friendly, engaging, and charmingly geeky about his enthusiasms.

      Wozniak could certainly afford all manner of personal assistants and minions to go buy stuff for him. But he doesn't. Instead, he chose to stand in line with everybody else. And for that, I give him mad respect.

      actually.. Woz didn't wait in line. He chilled while sitting on some mall benches near by then cut to the front of the line with his camera crew when the store opened.

    12. Re:Wozniak by JamesP · · Score: 1

      Just for the record

      Woz blew millions of dollars in a music festival (U.S. Festival). Twice. Pretty much for the heck of it

      He also bought his own plane (and crashed it)

      Woz has all the money he needs.

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    13. Re:Wozniak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch My Life on the D-List. Woz has an assistant. And uses his money as he pleases. He stands in line because it is fun.

    14. Re:Wozniak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your standards are too low. You're not supposed to have personal assistants go buy stuff for you. Don't give the man credit just for not being a douche bag.

  16. 1985 by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doing that will likely get you fired, or at least reprimanded, in most companies.

    And remember, it's even gotten Steve Jobs fired before...

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  17. Colorblind? by camperdave · · Score: 1

    So, is Steve colorblind? The Apple, the Mac, the Lisa, the NeXT, etc were all black and white or greyscale, even though many competing systems were color. These machines didn't get color until later in their lifecycle.

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    1. Re:Colorblind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Apple ][ had color from the start. The Apple 1 didn't, of course, but bundling the two as part of the same lifecycle is a bit of a stretch.

    2. Re:Colorblind? by doconnor · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Apple II had colour. I believe it was one of the first home computers to support it. At the time Apple's logo was a rainbow coloured apple to emphasize this.

    3. Re:Colorblind? by bledri · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it was a decision based resolution, image quality, memory and possibly money. Most of those early color systems looked pretty crappy. Even powerful workstations like Apollo started out as black and white around.

      As others have noted, the Apple ][ had color, but the text mode was pretty clunky (not the WSIWYG display that made to Mac the darling of publishing.)

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    4. Re:Colorblind? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Sorry. The only pictures I've seen are of monochrome screens, so I had assumed that the machines were monochrome (green on black). My mistake. However, Wikipedia claims The video controller displayed 24 lines by 40 columns of monochrome, upper-case-only text on the screen, although it does go on to explain about the machine's color capabilities.

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    5. Re:Colorblind? by johanatan · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the iPod.

  18. Grain of iSalt by imstanny · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs is definately a creative entrepreneur, but he is also a lucky one. He had a good product in the 80's, arguably better than Microsoft, and their business performance was polar opposite to Microsoft's in the 90's. Luck plays a role in the success of their business, and it favored Mr. Gates now it favored Jobs. Apple did a good job building on the momentum of the iPod -- even the 'revolutionary' iPhone and new Macbooks are building on that momentum. Jobs' management style is the same now as it was back then (isn't that why he got fired?), check out the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" (not a documentary, but portrays his traits fairly well I think). I'm sure there are various styles of management with various success rates; the other side of the equation is the workers -- and how they respond to a particular management style. I also think it's important to realzie that Jobs looks really good because there are a lot of incompetent people at the helm of Apple's competitors.

    1. Re:Grain of iSalt by SpinyNorman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Steve Jobs is definately a creative entrepreneur, but he is also a lucky one.

      Nah... the failure rate for startups is phenomenal, but Jobs:

      - Made a success Apple (maybe luck there - right place, right time - but also the right product)

      - Made a success of NeXT (at least sufficiently so to sell it for boatloads of cash, and much of the tech lives on)

      - Made a success of Pixar

      - Came back to Apple when it was failing, turned it around, and introduced: iMac, OS/X, iPod, ITunes, iPhone ...

      That's a heck of a string of "luck"! ;-)

      Incidently I'm not a fanboy - never owned a Mac - but you've got to give the man his due.

    2. Re:Grain of iSalt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs is definately a creative entrepreneur, but he is also a lucky one.

      Nah... the failure rate for startups is phenomenal, but Jobs:

      - Made a success Apple (maybe luck there - right place, right time - but also the right product)

      - Made a success of NeXT (at least sufficiently so to sell it for boatloads of cash, and much of the tech lives on)

      - Made a success of Pixar

      - Came back to Apple when it was failing, turned it around, and introduced: iMac, OS/X, iPod, ITunes, iPhone ...

      That's a heck of a string of "luck"! ;-)

      Incidently I'm not a fanboy - never owned a Mac - but you've got to give the man his due.

      This is the smartest post on this thread.
      Beyond pairing Gates to Jobs, where has Jobs failed in the last 9 years? Ok...Apple TV, lamentable...but but still...

    3. Re:Grain of iSalt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next was a failure burning through $100+ million.

    4. Re:Grain of iSalt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs is definately a creative entrepreneur, but he is also a lucky one.

      Nah... the failure rate for startups is phenomenal, but Jobs:

      - Made a success Apple (maybe luck there - right place, right time - but also the right product)

      - Made a success of NeXT (at least sufficiently so to sell it for boatloads of cash, and much of the tech lives on)

      - Made a success of Pixar

      - Came back to Apple when it was failing, turned it around, and introduced: iMac, OS/X, iPod, ITunes, iPhone ...

      That's a heck of a string of "luck"! ;-)

      Incidently I'm not a fanboy - never owned a Mac - but you've got to give the man his due.

      What do you have to say about his evilness?

    5. Re:Grain of iSalt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs is definately a creative entrepreneur, but he is also a lucky one.

      Nah... the failure rate for startups is phenomenal, but Jobs:

      - Made a success Apple (maybe luck there - right place, right time - but also the right product)

      - Made a success of NeXT (at least sufficiently so to sell it for boatloads of cash, and much of the tech lives on)

      - Made a success of Pixar

      - Came back to Apple when it was failing, turned it around, and introduced: iMac, OS/X, iPod, ITunes, iPhone ...

      That's a heck of a string of "luck"! ;-)

      Incidentally I'm not a fanboy - never owned a Mac - but you've got to give the man his due.

      You have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good.

    6. Re:Grain of iSalt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If NeXT was a success then BeOS was also a success.
      You cannot have one rule for Jobs and another for Gasée.

  19. Re:What you can really learn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a proprietary software vendor, Apple gives you (and supports them on their platform) more Open Source applications then that other major proprietary desktop OS who rejects them flat-out if that is any cancellation.

  20. The real lesson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real lesson is:

    If you have a lot of money and rule a company with an iron hand, get the company to make whatever YOU think is cool and, odds are, 3 people out of 100 will think it's cool too, unless it's a gadget of some kind, then 7 out of 100 will like it.

  21. Steve is impressive by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    for me...he has steered some excellent products; some shaking the industry down to it's foundations (read: iPod), but one thing that's struck me the most is how he's managed to re-create the "coolest kid in the school" feeling kids go through but in adults, by having selling the coolest image/product/both with consumer electronics. The kind of emotion that buying a high-performance car has been reproduced in electronics & computer gear, even if the product in question isn't necessarily the best technically. That's impressive.

    Also, Steve understands people want a complete experience; not component parts. iPods come with iTunes for complete top-to-bottom management. OSX comes with Apple hardware only. Even the throw-away packaging somehow looks like someone really thought it through as to how it fits into the whole "product experience". That to me is Steve's influence. Congrats I guess!

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    1. Re:Steve is impressive by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      "coolest kid in the school" feeling kids go through but in adults

      God help us all.

      Seriously, people aren't all that much different from what they were in their late high school/early college years. It is a bit saddening that the so many people are judged (and judge) based on their "cool stuff." It's just, as we get older, the "cool stuff" gets a lot more expensive.

    2. Re:Steve is impressive by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even the throw-away packaging somehow looks like someone really thought it through as to how it fits into the whole "product experience".

      Yeah, I know a packaging engineer, and she loves Apple's stuff. Apple apparently wins packaging awards regularly.

    3. Re:Steve is impressive by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 1

      Seriously, people aren't all that much different from what they were in their late high school/early college years. It is a bit saddening that the so many people are judged (and judge) based on their "cool stuff."

      Yep. Apple products are aimed at people who want to feel cooler than anyone else. They're whole "Think Different" slogan reflects that. Clever, a bit sad like you say, but it definitely works.

      To quote a "Bowling for Soup" song; "Highschool never ends". How true that song is.

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    4. Re:Steve is impressive by oconnorcjo · · Score: 1
      Even the throw-away packaging somehow looks like someone really thought it through as to how it fits into the whole "product experience".

      I like my ipod nano and I have no problems with it. But when I first bought it, I thought apple and steve jobs didn't actually want me to have it. Maybe they thought the insanley low price I bought it for ticked them off. I say this because to open the shrink wrap took me more than a half hour to open with my bare hands (and I am no week guy). Eventually after a bitter struggle and a few bruises, I managed to wrestle it away from apples shrink wrapped death grip yelling "I bought this damn you- It's MINE!" ;)

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    5. Re:Steve is impressive by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    6. Re:Steve is impressive by StrahdVZ · · Score: 1

      OSX comes with Apple hardware only.

      Whilst what you say is true regarding supply and support, and I absolutely love my Macbook Pro, saying that the hardware is "Apple-only" is something of a misnomer that Apple-philes tend to state a tad too liberally. It's the equivalent to saying that a Dell-branded and supported notebook is Dell hardware only.

      My MBP has an Intel CPU, Intel Audio chip, Intel SATA controller, a Seagate hard drive, an LG DVD-RW, a Nvidia GeForce GPU, an Atheros ethernet controller, not to mention unknown manufacturers for the LCD screen and RAM.

    7. Re:Steve is impressive by tehcyder · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yeah, I know a packaging engineer, and she loves Apple's stuff. Apple apparently wins packaging awards regularly.

      Great job title.

      And my postman's a customer-focussed peripatetic supply-chain-enablement engineer. He wins "postie of the month" awards quite frequently.

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    8. Re:Steve is impressive by kchrist · · Score: 1

      That's true, of course, but when people talk about "Apple hardware" they aren't talking about the CPU and RAM. They're talking about the design -- the look and feel of the hardware, not the components that make it up. The distinctive Apple design is what makes the hardware desirable.

    9. Re:Steve is impressive by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Informative

      Great job title.

      And my postman's a customer-focussed peripatetic supply-chain-enablement engineer. He wins "postie of the month" awards quite frequently.

      Well, at least you've demonstrated an ability to be a dick. Perhaps you can bring up your research skills next?

      About 90 seconds with Google leads me to the details of a packaging Master's program, a history of that school going back 50 years, a long Wikipedia page on the topic and job listings under that title.

      Remember: even if your main goal is to be an asshole, knowing even a tiny bit about the topic can help. You want to be an ass, not just look like one.

    10. Re:Steve is impressive by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Where I come from, jokes are either "funny" or "not funny", not trolls or attempts at being an asshole.

      I always forget that on slashdot, you can be as sexist, racist, homophobic, illiterate, xenophobic or plain ignorant as you like, but that somewhere there's someone who will get snotty if you make a joke about Star Wars/Apple/whatever.

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    11. Re:Steve is impressive by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      Where I come from, jokes are either "funny" or "not funny", not trolls or attempts at being an asshole.

      Coming in out of the blue and, based on knowing exactly nothing, suggesting that a friend of mine is an underachiever who didn't do any work but has given herself a fancy title to sound better is indeed being an asshole.

      If it had been particularly funny, or a mildly funny joke that I hadn't heard before, or even a mildly funny joke that had some truth behind it, you could be a forgivably funny asshole. That's fine; I have plenty of friends like that. But it's a lame, obvious, insulting, and entirely ignorant joke. And that is why you're just an asshole.

  22. Steve .. are you listening??? by OzPeter · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Steve,

    Just in case you are monitoring /. (which I'm sure you do) I just wanted to tell you about my experiences week with my iMac. You see I have filled up my hard drive and I want to put a bigger one in. As its still under warrantee I wanted an accredited service center to do the work for me (plus those pics I have seen on the web about pulling iMacs apart to change a drive just plain out scare me).

    So I called my local Apple store to ask for a price and turnover time. And the sales drone told me .. "You'll have to make an appointment with the Genius Bar to get that information". WTF? I have schedule an appointment at the Apple store, turn up at the allotted time in order to ask how much to put in a hard drive?????

    So I was in the same shopping centre as the Apple store this morning, so I dropped in to see if I could casually ask the Genius Bar guy what it would cost etc. That's all going well until I mention that I already have the drive (and in fact running my system off it as an external drive). The Genius pulled me up and basically said "whoa .. non Apple drive. Sorry we can't install that here. As if it does something and kills the rest of the system then we would be responsible". WTF??? Its a frickin' SATA drive. Could even be the same brand that Apple will install. If it kills my iMac then there will be a lot of very unhappy people in the rest of the world and major class action lawsuits when this brand of drive takes down a huge number of other computers.

    Boy am I pissed about this quality service. At least the people at the Genius bar gave a me a list of authorised service centres in the local area. But that gets even more WTFery .. I called one of them up and its 2 business day turn around time just to pop the covers off and switch a drive?!?!?!!?

    /rant

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    1. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by AP31R0N · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Buy a case from Lian Li. Buy a mobo by ASUS. Get a few sata hard drives. Install XP (or install a linux distro first). Your support network for such a machine will be about 10 times as big, as will your hard and software options. As for viruses, turn on the windows firewall, keep it up to date, use firefox as your browser (with NoScript) and stay away from non-English porn sites. You won't get that smug feeling you had during your exile, but you'll have a machine that cost you less and is more under your control.

      Hmm, i wonder if the fanbois will mod me a troll or flamebait....

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    2. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      And also, when King Abdullah reads this (I know you do); get bent! Who are you to preach about religious tolerance?

      Shame on you! And when you reply I won't reply back; you can have the last word for all I care.

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    3. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by pxuongl · · Score: 1

      first, you say "those pics I have seen on the web about pulling iMacs apart to change a drive just plain out scare me"

      then, you complain that "I called one of them up and its 2 business day turn around time just to pop the covers off and switch a drive?!?!?!!?"

      so which is it, scarey or easy?

    4. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by pxuongl · · Score: 1

      how about neither? an Off Topic seems to be more like it. Same goes to the parent.

    5. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by StellarFury · · Score: 1

      Dude. If you don't want Mac customer service, don't buy a Mac. The machines are non-customizable, they always have been and probably always will be. If you want a better Mac, you have to buy a new Mac. That's Apple's MO.

    6. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by OzPeter · · Score: 1
      It is both .. scary for someone not familiar with the case. Easy for a qualified service person.

      Pulling apart a current generation of iMac is not for the faint hearted in terms of cracking open this or that. However it is not a time consuming task either. I would expect a qualified service guy to be able to crack open a machine in a matter of minutes. The time to change out a SATA hard drive would be small compared to the time to get the case apart.

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    7. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by pxuongl · · Score: 1

      anyone who's ever done computer support cringes whenever a customer feels something should be easily done in a matter of minutes.

      any sentence that includes the word "just" or "all you have to do" can quickly turn into a few hours or a full day

    8. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There are really a lot of uninformed boys and girls out there that know nothing about Macintosh computers beyond seeing an iMac somewhere. You can (and I have) upgrade the video, CPU, memory, hard disks, removeable media...

      http://www.apple.com/macpro/design.html

    9. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by OzPeter · · Score: 1
      If the problem cannot be well defined then the time to reach a solution cannot be defined.

      But if the problem is well defined then the solution time can also be well defined.

      I consider opening the case of of a product that you are trained to service to be a well defined (and with an iMac a trivial) problem. If that extends to hours or days then then something is wrong with the person doing the work, not with the definition of the problem.

      My reluctance to deal with it personally stems from the fact that for me it is *not* a well defined problem, so there is risk attached to any action I make .. so yes it could take me hours to work out how to open and close an imac case.

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    10. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by imipak · · Score: 1

      ...you own a Mac why?

    11. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Have you ever used one? And I mean seriously used .. not played with one in a shop? It has major productivity and UI boosts over XP (never used Vista so I can't compare) .

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    12. Re:Steve .. are you listening??? by imipak · · Score: 1

      Sure, I used Macs back in the 80s and early 90s. I'm a freetard now, though. What I meant by the question was, if you use the thing because of the UI, you can't very well complain when the control freak hardware thing bites you on the ass. It's not a la carte... you get what Steve gives you, like it or buy something else. Like me :)

  23. "what Leander thinks are the takeaways..." by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "As with all of the chapters it ends with a summary of what Leander thinks are the takeaways from each of the anecdotes...."

    I think it takes quite a bit of arrogance to assume that you can find out what's going on inside someone else's brain. I don't know what goes on inside my wife's brain, let alone my boss's, let alone that of any Fortune 500 CEO.

    It takes even more to assume that you can explain the success of a man like Steve Jobs... and even more to assume that you can draw transferrable lessons that will enable others to replicate that success.

    A couple of decades ago, a bestseller entitled "In Search of Excellence" purported to explain factors that made companies successful. If I recall correctly, their examples of some of the best-managed high-tech companies included Atari, Digital Equipment Corporation, and Wang Laboratories.

    1. Re:"what Leander thinks are the takeaways..." by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      It takes even more to assume that you can explain the success of a man like Steve Jobs...

      How much more?

      You think maybe being a professional writer who tries to explain things for a living? Being a respected reporter for Wired? Or maybe having written two other books on Apple and spent four years running a blog called "Cult of Mac"?

      That'd do it for me.

      The takeaways at the end of chapters are standard business-book practice, so that hard-of-reading executives can skim the book and feel like they know something. You can likely blame the publisher for their inclusion.

    2. Re:"what Leander thinks are the takeaways..." by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      A couple of decades ago, a bestseller entitled "In Search of Excellence" purported to explain factors that made companies successful. If I recall correctly, their examples of some of the best-managed high-tech companies included Atari, Digital Equipment Corporation, and Wang Laboratories.

      Oh, how I hated that book. College profs thought it was the dog's bollocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_Of_Excellence

      As early as 1984 it was apparent, to certain analysts, that the book's choice of companies was poor to indifferent. Business Week ("Oops. Who's excellent now?", November 5, 1984) observed that of 43 'excellent' companies one-third were in financial difficulties within five years of Peters and Watermans' surveys. The failings were particularly obvious in the high technology sector, where companies such as Atari, Data General, DEC, IBM, Lanier, NCR, Wang Labs, Xerox and others did not produce excellent results in their balance sheets in the 1980s.

      Rick Chapman titled his book on high-tech marketing fiascoes, "In Search of Stupidity," as a nod to Peters's book and the disasters that befell many of the companies it profiled. He notes that "with only a few exceptions... [the excellent companies were] large firms with dominant positions in markets that were senescent or static."

      Tom Peters also admitted to bullshitting liberally in that book, pulling his facts out of his as without even having the courtesy of a wipe-off.

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    3. Re:"what Leander thinks are the takeaways..." by TruthfulLiar · · Score: 1

      > It takes even more to assume that you can explain the success of a man like Steve Jobs...
      > and even more to assume that you can draw transferrable lessons that will enable others
      > to replicate that success.

      Well, either Jobs is successful because he's lucky, or he's successful because he consistently does things to produce a good result. If the latter, you can observe what he's doing and look for patterns. You can even run some experiments (theoretically) to figure out if what you think is responsible for his success really is. In fact, Jim Collins something like this with Built to Last and Good to Great. He looked at lots of successful companies and found commonalities. And he looked at lots of almost successful companies and found the lack of those commonalities. Great books; I highly recommend them. (You can read a short summary of Good to Great at my web site: http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~prewett/writings/BookReviews/GoodToGreat.html)

      It might also be worthwhile to ask what "success" means. Jobs is successful in the now, but if he doesn't build up a successor with his same characteristics, Apple will fail as soon as he leaves. Does success mean building a wonderful company that disappears when you die? Does success mean building a company that lasts forever? Does success mean building just enough of a company to get bought out and make a fortune? Does success mean people like you? That you have a great family? Jobs is only successful by some of those metrics...

    4. Re:"what Leander thinks are the takeaways..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But now, the outspoken and flamboyant Peters, 59, shockingly admits that he and his co-author falsified the underlying data in that breakthrough book. In an article in the December issue of Fast Company, Peters writes: "This is pretty small beer, but for what it's worth, okay, I confess: We faked the data."

  24. True indeed... by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    "...Doing that will likely get you fired..."

    In fact, this got Steve fired from Apple back in the 80s so you pretty much nailed that one :D

    But to his credit, like a good messiah, he did return and make everything new again. Of course, everything got branded with a big giant "i" in front of it, but the stock holders are not complaining.

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  25. The trouble with Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here's an interesting article from a few months back. Among other things it talks about Jobs' "hero-shithead roller coaster" in which subordinates or developing products often flip from "insanely great" to "shit" depending on his mood. Apple seems to be a highly sought after employer among geeks, but is it really worth that, if you're unlucky enough to be on Steve's radar?

    The trouble with Steve Jobs

    1. Re:The trouble with Steve Jobs by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If all you care about is staying under radars, then of course you'll not want to work at Apple.

      Otherwise - what sane technical person does not dream of a product with the reach of the iPod or iPhone? To work on an API used by tens of thousands of developers?

      You could put up with a lot for that kind of opportunity.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  26. Jobsian Retail by lancejjj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The sixth chapter, Inventive Spirit, cite several examples of how Jobs used his relentless management style to refine products, and most interestingly the Apple Store. He went so far as to develop a prototype store in warehouse at the edge of the Apple campus, and how he was willing to completely scrap the design of the store when it wasn't exactly right, costing him months of time.

    Anyone in retail that builds successful (or even ultimately unsuccessful) stores knows that building a full scale model is a huge help when building a new retail brand (or updating an older image).

    Jobs was not a retail guy before the advent of Apple Store. Clearly, Jobs hired some pretty bright retail people to help pull it together. If nothing else, Job knows when he needs outside experts.

    There are dozens of warehouses around the country that have partial or full retail stores within them. The fact that Apple Retail did the same is not a sign of Job's insanity or insight.

    1. Re:Jobsian Retail by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      There are dozens of warehouses around the country that have partial or full retail stores within them. The fact that Apple Retail did the same is not a sign of Job's insanity or insight.

      Probably not on its own, but it fits a pattern.

      Although I think he's an asshole, I do respect his willingness to demand excellence by making himself stand in for the consumer and trying out real products until he likes them. They went through dozens of iPod prototypes. Building a fake store is not unheard of either, but somebody less insistent on quality could have easily flinched at the expense and tried to go from designs. I'm sure many do.

    2. Re:Jobsian Retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I understand, there are several members of GAP on the Apple board. I'm not saying that GAP is the end-all-be-all of shopping experiences but I am guessing that they had a few insights or possibly threw Apple retail a few names here and there.

    3. Re:Jobsian Retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to TFA, what was special about Jobs' experience of doing the warehouse mockup was that he was willing to tear it down and start over because he didn't think it was right. The point is that many companies go through this same exercise only to become constrained by their own mockup because they've invested time/money in that particular way of doing things. The point was not that he did the mockup

  27. What I Learned From SteveJob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a few real gems I learned from Steve. First off... never pass up a bong hit or a peyote drop. Second, never pass up a chance to ridicule an Apple user. They lap that stuff up like a starving dog.

  28. Only works if you have "taste" by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can emulate being a despot. You can emulate being a perfectionist.

    But can you emulate _taste_?

    Say what you want about Steve Jobs. To me the big difference is Steve Jobs has _taste_.

    If you work for him and he yells at you because the product you designed just has the wrong curves on the corners, or too many ugly screws visible, or it's "too klunky", deep down you know that it is likely that he is _right_. And so you respect that.

    And when he finally tells you it is insanely great - though that might be an exaggeration, you at least know you've made something better than a Dell ;).

    In contrast if it were some other CEO screaming at you. What are the odds that CEO has taste?

    From what I see a lot of CEOs can't even tell good from bad, so how are they going to tell "merely good" from "insanely great"?

    It's like trying to emulate a top despotic perfectionist chef, but having no taste. You can yell at your kitchen staff all you want, good luck making something great.

    I personally don't think you need a despot to produce a great product, but the people in charge of making it need to know the difference between good and great, and be allowed to make it great. Most bosses don't seem to care - they want to release the product ASAP.

    BTW, I've never been at Apple nor do I know people there, but I wonder sometimes if working for Apple might be a bit like being married to an abusive spouse who can be very very good at times, insanely great even ;).

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    1. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTW, I've never been at Apple nor do I know people there, but I wonder sometimes if working for Apple might be a bit like being married to an abusive spouse who can be very very good at times, insanely great even ;).

      Are you implying Steve Jobs is great in bed? That's just f-ed up.

    2. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by ahankinson · · Score: 1

      I know about 12 million people who might disagree with you...

    3. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I know of a lot more who wouldn't. Your point?

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    4. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Angst+Badger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Personally, I don't care for Jobs' taste or the Apple style generally, but you're on to something there all the same. Apple's success in recent years is precisely because Jobs and the designers that work for him have made their products fashionable. It doesn't matter whether they're technically superior or not. Taking MP3 players for example, there really isn't much to distinguish one from another. The iPod's interface is well done, yes, but the price premium it commands has a lot more to do with how fashionable it is to own one than anything else. iPods are hip and trendy, and the competing brands are not.

      Jobs' genius has a lot less to do with being "insanely great" than it does with having the same kind of sensibility that you find in successful fashion designers. He comes up with (or supervises the people who come up with) hot products and successfully creates the kind of buzz around them that normally goes with things like designer clothing and sports cars. Mind you, I'm not knocking the technical quality of Apple products; I'm just saying that as long as they are roughly comparable to competing products at a technical level, that's not what most people care about. They want to be seen with Apple products, and they're willing to pay a higher price for them the same way they'll pay an extra hundred bucks for a pair of shoes from a fashionable brand.

      All that said, the attention to detail exhibited by Apple in recent years is something the rest of the industry could learn from, too.

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    5. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      _taste_

      _right_

      insanely great

      Sounds like Jobsian "cult-speak" to me.

    6. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taste? Everything glossy white and rounded to the nth degree? It's a one trick pony.

    7. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But can you emulate _taste_?

      He may have good visual taste, I'll admit that.

      But has he ever actually listened to an ipod? I had occasion to listen to one about 2 years ago and it did not play gapless tracks correctly. There was a small but perceptible 'click' between tracks that should have been seamless. I don't know whether that's been fixed in more recent models, but to me such a glaring audible deficiency should never have even left the lab.

      Regarding the iphone: I guess sucess is in numbers and in knowing what most people would want. Alas for me, the one thing I would most need a phone for - to ssh into and check servers - wasn't supported in the 1st gen model.

      So I guess "taste" is very much a relative term. It just so happens Jobs is excellent at knowing the average person's taste, and in cultivating and driving that taste.

    8. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      If OSX is "hideous", what in the hell do you call the Fisher-Price OS (WinXP)?

    9. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I have to disagree. I'm one of the less fashionable people I know, but I own an iPod, and if it stopped working, I'd buy another one tomorrow.

      Not because it's fashionable or because I have money to burn. I'd buy an iPod because it works, because it's easy to use, because my non-audiophile aftermarket car stereo integrates directly with an iPod (and only an iPod), and because iTunes makes finding NPR/PRI and other great material incredibly easy.

      An iPod may not be "technically superior," but my experience owning an iPod is superior to my experience with any other tech product.

    10. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Steve Jobs once said, "The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have no taste and I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way."

      Microsoft's J. Allard quoted this to his team when they were designing the Zune, telling them "I for one...want to see this guy eat his words. Those are fighting words. He is speaking to every one of us and saying that we don't get it.".

      The end result of this was, of course, the brown Zune. Looks like Jobs was right.

    11. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      I know of a lot more who wouldn't. Your point?

      Are you talking about people buying Dell or Microsoft products (for example)?

      People don't buy them because they're tasteful, well designed, or well thought through (they're not). They buy them because they're good enough, and they're cheaper. That was his point.

      Taste is not entirely subjective.

    12. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by somersault · · Score: 1

      Taste, in preference terms, is entirely subjective. Taste, in flavouring terms, isn't, because two people should be able to say "this is a banana". Some people may also have better tastebuds than others for detecting traces of flavours in wine and crap like that.

      While I like Apple products, and the UI is okay, I wouldn't say that the way things are done is always better than any other OS. I liked it better when you could access all your applications from the Apple menu by default for example. The default theme also doesn't look as good as some themes I've used on Linux. After a quick google, I see you can apparently get themes for OSX as well, but I've never been too fussed before (okay so I just assumed that Apple wouldn't be happy with people changing the look and thought I'd have to jump through hoops to change it). Linux and OSX are more stable than Windows, and OSX had a better interface than any Linux distro, because it is so controlled and all done by the same company. With Linux you can add lots of useful little gadgets and different menu bars and things, but it doesn't always feel like everything has been designed to work together, while with OSX, all apps are designed to the same standard and generally play nicely with the rest of the OS. So combining stability and a cohesive experience are the reason that I currently use an Apple rather than a generic PC running Ubuntu. I don't think it has so much to do with 'taste' as knowing that everything will 'just work' together and I won't have to faff around for hours trying to setup my applications and hardware to interface nicely with whatever API is currently being used as a sound or graphics subsystem in my distro, etc. Sometimes it's fun fiddling around with config files to get to know more about how your system works, but sometimes you just want to get on with other things.

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    13. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, Apple have also gone through phases (some more than once) of pastel colours, black, see-through and brushed aluminium.. surely that counts as more than one trick.. or did you miss the iMac and coloured iPods because you were too busy being upset at Apple having success based on styling? Hint: even if the hardware looks good, if the innards and UI suck, it's not going to do that well. Wait, I'm most likely telling this to someone who lives in the US, where the Hummer H2 is regarded as a good car.. nevermind..

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    14. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      There's nothing inherently wrong with a brown player. Personally, I'm kind of fed up of the over-smooth "Web 2.0" interface and design style that Apple use- it was cool a few years back, but it's just been overdone IMHO.

      Brown could be made to work and look different, especially if it was done in conjunction with some fresh design... problem is, it would take people with Apple's level of design skills to pull it off, not bloody Microsoft!

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    15. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by zdickinson · · Score: 0

      "Say what you want about Steve Jobs. To me the big difference is Steve Jobs has _taste_." I agree, kinda like chicken.

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    16. Re:Only works if you have "taste" by mrraven · · Score: 1

      jailbreak iphone or ipod touch (takes about 5 minutes) install terminal, and ssh away. You were saying...

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  29. Re:What you can really learn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cancellation? I think you mean consolation.

  30. Grammar? I Take Exception to the Ontological... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Implications of the subject for this thread!

    Brain == Mind as Television == Ronald Reagan

    The inside of Steve's brain is probably much like the fatty substance between most people's ears. I'd like to know about his mind.

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    Never been known to fail..."
  31. Obsessive perfectionism? WTF? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    The term "perfectionism" is used many times in that review. But, is msft really obsessive about being perfect? Even people who claim they hate Vista, rarely call it "perfect." For that matter, I think it might be fair to say that other msft products also fall a little short of being "perfect."

    1. Re:Obsessive perfectionism? WTF? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      As someone who dislikes apple, I would rarely call any of their products perfect, they are all missing some key functionality. Imacs lack upgradability and are expensive to maintain, ipods lack MSC mode, iphones are expensive and cant MMS unlike a Nokia 6300, in addition to all this I dislike touch screens (lack of tactile feedback, will break more easily than a physical button) and all apple products still cost 20% than all other competing products (in the case of the iphone, up to 70% as 90% of the feature list is performed by a Nokia 6300).

      Also Apple support are a pain in the arse to deal with with the 5 Mac's in our organisation 2 have broken (1 imac and 1 macbook) within the first 12 months and had to be sent away for repair (this is in a business, where they were out of commission for 10 working day each which costs a lot of money) and don't give me that "just take it to an apple store" crap, I live 5000 KM's from the nearest apple store and they still wouldn't be able to replace the power supply in an imac within 20 minutes like any number of computer service centres within 30 minutes drive from here (and they'd pick it up given the amount we paid for support).

      So I would consider Apple, Apple products and Jobs far from perfection but you do have a point, few Vista pundits would call vista "perfect", most say that Vista is "good enough". From my perspective Jobs just has a Napoleon complex and enjoys having his subordinates (and fanboys) stroke his ego.

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  32. Oh, Steve *Jobs* by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    I thought this was about Steve *Ballmer*

    Nevermind.

    1. Re:Oh, Steve *Jobs* by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's make a list of the things you didn't read in coming to that conclusion.

      1) TFA
      2) The first sentence of TFS
      3) The table giving more information about the book
      4) Any comments on said TFA

      Quite impressive.

  33. who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    obviously sueing people is in steve's brain. just like bill gates.

  34. Inculcates? by DarrenBaker · · Score: 1

    Damn, that word-a-day calendar's paying for itself already!

  35. And perhaps are .... LESS FILLING ! by UttBuggly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have been to Apple, have met Steve, and know a few folks there. The people I have met seem to like working there...a lot.

    Over the years, I've been to countless businesses and there are definitely places where you can practically feel the "bad mojo" in the air. Others have a happy vibe, and a few were "ready for the Kool-Aid". Apple was NOT like that...didn't have a bunch of happy, shiny cult members running around. I did feel folks were very focused, which is not a bad thing to be.

    As for Steve's _taste_, I'd say he has definite and somewhat immutable ideas about how things should look and feel and operate. Sometimes, it's good...others, maybe not.

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    1. Re:And perhaps are .... LESS FILLING ! by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "Sometimes, it's good...others, maybe not."

      Yes, main thing though is:
      1) he's better than most of those CEOs out there in knowing how stuff should look, feel and operate - those other CEOs have no clue in that area, and the smart ones know it and let other people handle it, rather than pretend they are Steve Jobs.
      2) There are millions of people with $$$ who like what he allows out of Apple, and willing to pay a premium for it (even if it means putting up with lack of certain features etc).

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  36. Why? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Hitler

    Newsflash - Hitler lost. Steve is still going.

    Do you often try to learn from losers?

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Why? by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter who they are, you can still learn something from everyone. In Hitler's case, it's what not to do in order to be a good human being.

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  37. We're not english majors by conspirator57 · · Score: 1

    Expecting to be able to copy/paste a slashdot book review in your Ziff Davis publication to meet your deadline is a bad plan. The last time most of us had an english class was freshman year of college or senior year high school. You're lucky sentences complete he spoke in.

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    1. Re:We're not english majors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I guess it was too much to expect a user generated "review" to actually contain constructive criticism and not simply regurgitate what the "reviewer" read in sentence after sentence. I mean after all why would college educated people be able to tell the difference between a summary and a review.

    2. Re:We're not english majors by conspirator57 · · Score: 1

      some college educated people cannot program their VCRs. some cannot do calculus. some cannot speak a foreign language. some learned these things and forgot them after college. you expect too much of the common body of retained knowledge. As for me, I blame the editor who should have a firm command of the language and literary niceties. :p

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  38. grammar nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In your context, people are not hung, they are hanged. Pictures are hung.

  39. The stuff that works were by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    his ideas whereas the stuff that does not work was not his idea even if his fingerprints are all over it E.G. 64K is enough RAM

  40. it's about his personal relationship with suck by m0llusk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When working with teams of brilliant and inspired people it can become difficult if not impossible to point out that something someone did just plain sucks. Being able to do this when it is necessary is an unusual and powerful skill.

    Then when the work appears finished it can be even harder to point out that the results suck. Being able to do this can be critical for honing a product to the point it becomes truly relevant.

  41. What's all the hype? by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Honestly, what's all the hype?

    I mean, I consider Steve Jobs my role model just as much as the next guy (even more probably) - but his success isn't that much of a secret.
    a) For one, he still is personally involved in all new key product developements.
    b) He won't stop short until he *personally* is 100% convinced that the product in developement has stopped sucking.
    c) He builds products *he* wants.
    d) If someone gets pissy with him or starts dragging his heels, he'll come down on him like a pile of bricks. And for good reasons too.
    e) He surrounds himself with people who think and act the same. Aka "Smart people".

    For example: I just took 45 minutes today to check out the current range of music players. Sony, Archos, TrekStore, you name it. People, the utter pieces of pure shit folks put out to sale for MP3 players nowadays is un-f*cking-believable. Believe it or not, the iPod line of music players is actually *really* among the top of the line. No replaceable battery and no OGG support be damned. There is not *one* f*cking player where you can see that some CEO with balls and brains actually took a look at the iPod and then simply built a player that was better. Where is the player that supports all formats, has a replaceable battery, better sound processing, is water-resistant and has firmware that just works?

    Jobs is a lucky man in a lucky position, and he happens to have enough life and business experience not to screw it up. But aside from combining discipline, business-sense and geekdom, I don't see any secret about him that requires a book to uncover. It's only that most competitors are so über-stoopid that Apple is reaping the benefits right now.

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    1. Re:What's all the hype? by nick.ian.k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For example: I just took 45 minutes today to check out the current range of music players. Sony, Archos, TrekStore, you name it. People, the utter pieces of pure shit folks put out to sale for MP3 players nowadays is un-f*cking-believable. Believe it or not, the iPod line of music players is actually *really* among the top of the line. No replaceable battery and no OGG support be damned. There is not *one* f*cking player where you can see that some CEO with balls and brains actually took a look at the iPod and then simply built a player that was better. Where is the player that supports all formats, has a replaceable battery, better sound processing, is water-resistant and has firmware that just works?

      Remaining undeveloped because no company with any sense about them has the balls to challenge the iPod. To unseat it, you'd have to do more than have a cooler and/or more practical feature set - you'd you'd have to establish an immensely popular integrated music manager/online music store, and you'd have to chip away at mindshare. The latter is the hard part: the average fanboi and general consumer alike are going to bristle at anything that *isn't* an iPod. Partly because the iPod is good feature-wise, partly because it's slick, partly because it's a component in an intended integrated system, but also because Apple's marketing encourages a sense of superiority among its userbase. Sure, alright, maybe *you*, random reader, are not at point X between smug and cocky, but that's where Apple wants you to be.

      So: you'd not only have to get the product right, but you'd have to blast away something you can't kill with features. Good fucking luck.

      Jobs is a lucky man in a lucky position, and he happens to have enough life and business experience not to screw it up.

      I'd put it more along the lines of "he's a smart guy who has already had enough experience in screwing up to make fewer mistakes than before", because let's face it, his company's mistakes in the past few years are nowhere near the crippling blunder territory surrounding things like Lisa and Apple III. He now also has the added benefit of having decades of mythology to help obscure or otherwise alter interpretations of his flaws. People joke about his "reality distortion field", but this is pretty much how it works.

  42. Steve didn't give any personnal info by po134 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I did a bit of research on Steve last semester (on my own, it wasn't requested) for a management course and no articles really had the insights FROM STEVE, they were are simply what the author thought was working and not.

    here's what I found at forbes: "Jobs is also among the most controversial figures in business. He oozes smug superiority, lacing his public comments with ridicule of Apple's rivals, which he casts as mediocre, evil, and-worst of all-lacking taste. No CEO is more wilful, or more brazen, at making his own rules, in ways both good and bad. And no CEO is more personally identified with-and controlling of-the day-to-day affairs of his business. Even now, Jobs views himself less as a mogul than as an artist, Apple's creator-in-chief. He has listed himself as "co-inventor" on 103 separate Apple patents, everything from the user interface for the iPod to the support system for the glass staircase used in Apple's dazzling retail stores."

    "Jobs' personal abuses are also legend: He parks his Mercedes in handicapped spaces, periodically reduces subordinates to tears, and fires employees in angry tantrums. Yet many of his top deputies at Apple have worked with him for years, and even some of those who have departed say that although it's often brutal and Jobs hogs the credit, they've never done better work."

    Here's some of my favorites quotations from Steve: "Innovation has nothing to do with how many R&D dollars you have. When Apple came up with the Mac, IBM was spending at least 100 times more on R&D. It's not about money. It's about the people you have, how you're led, and how much you get it." "It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."

    for microsoft fanboys, Bill Gates is also very rude when communicating with his people, but both motivates their troops a whole lot as you can see in Bill Gates: how a geek changed the world, BBC Money Programme. Here is a quote from bill:  That's the dumbest idea I have ever heard  ;)

    I'm gonna give this book a try, but I'm still waiting for a real book ON steve's insights though one that he will have personnaly oversees.

    source: Article, THE TROUBLE WITH STEVE. By: Elkind, Peter, Burke, Doris, Fortune, 07385587, 3/17/2008, Vol. 157, Issue 5

    1. Re:Steve didn't give any personnal info by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      "He has listed himself as "co-inventor" on 103 separate Apple patents"

      "He parks his Mercedes in handicapped spaces, periodically reduces subordinates to tears, and fires employees in angry tantrums."

      he sounds like an asshole to work for, i don't care how hip or "in" some circles consider their products. combine this with the fact apple engineers are lower paid than their counter parts at google and MS, and it looks like you have to either have rocks in your head to work their or be a memeber of the apple cult.

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    2. Re:Steve didn't give any personnal info by Bocconcini · · Score: 1

      "Jobs' personal abuses are also legend: He parks his Mercedes in handicapped spaces, periodically reduces subordinates to tears, and fires employees in angry tantrums. Yet many of his top deputies at Apple have worked with him for years, and even some of those who have departed say that although it's often brutal and Jobs hogs the credit, they've never done better work."

      Basically that means, they are withstanding stress, credit hogging, abuse and tantrums so that the company they are working for (and Jobs) could make more money? I think slaves doing back-breaking menial work under the whip wouldn't have done "better" work without the whip, but did doing "good work" for their masters really make them happy?

    3. Re:Steve didn't give any personnal info by mjwx · · Score: 1

      "Jobs' personal abuses are also legend: He parks his Mercedes in handicapped spaces, periodically reduces subordinates to tears, and fires employees in angry tantrums. Yet many of his top deputies at Apple have worked with him for years, and even some of those who have departed say that although it's often brutal and Jobs hogs the credit, they've never done better work."

      Sounds like a classic case of Stokholm syndrome, where the hostages begin to associate and even admire their captors. With Job's being a cult of personality it's not that hard to imagine.

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  43. Ah, no. by tjstork · · Score: 1

    Also, I'd say that it can be argued that the UN and the European community were founded on the principle of avoiding the situation that allowed Hitler to grab power in Germany with significant public support.

    Well, no, the UN was envisioned by Roosevelt long before World War II even happened. Roosevelt served with the Wilson administration, and he took excellent notes on why Wilson's League of Nations failed first before the American people and then as an institution.

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  44. Woz is Rude by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jobs had one skill that was VITAL to Apple that Woz didn't: charisma. Much as I admire and love Woz, there is no way that Apple would have went anywhere had Jobs not been there to sell it.

    I have to agree. I saw a video of Woz at a Commodore-64 anniversary event for a computer museum. He was rude to Jack Trummel (Commodore's CEO who organized the 64) during the audience Q&A phase. He may have been just joking in a sarcastic way, but it came across poorly. It was an interesting exchange though about "for the masses versus the classes". It should have been the 64's day in the spotlight. He should have praised it and waited for an Apple history event to brag about Apple. Not then and there.

    1. Re:Woz is Rude by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I saw the video on Youtube. Woz does indeed come off as bitter at the beginning of the panel (apparently because Commodore was one of the companies that turned Apple down in the early days).

      Later on, he comes off as clueless more than anything. It's clear that he doesn't appreciate Commodore's "for the masses rather than classes" approach at all. Woz lives in his own little world and can't seem to understand that the VAST majority of people in the early 80's couldn't afford to throw down $1500 for a computer (over $3500 in today's dollars) that mostly played games and had a few apps. But we could certainly afford one for $200 that did most of the same stuff.

      As someone who was a kid from a working class family at the time, I can certainly attest to the appeal of the Commodore line. The only kid I knew who had a Apple was the local rich kid (who everyone resented). But everyone had a Vic-20 or C64.

      Again, I think Woz just built something he thought was cool--without really thinking that it was way out of the price range of the vast majority of Americans.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    2. Re:Woz is Rude by mrraven · · Score: 1

      You mean Steve W. is even more autistic than Steve J.? Who'd have thunk it?

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      Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
    3. Re:Woz is Rude by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You mean Steve W. is even more autistic than Steve J.? Who'd have thunk it?

      Its more that Jobs can contain himself better than Woz when he wants to. Woz is always geeky brash, while Jobs knows how and when to switch on the charm.
             

  45. The Ethics of Firing Dead-Wood by EccentricAnomaly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, I've been working for the gubberment for a good long time and I'd love to work for a despot like Steve jobs. It is not ethical to keep poor performers around just because they are your friends. Doing this penalizes the hard workers who have to pick up the slack. There is nothing wrong with getting rid of the deadwood. Keeping someone in a job because they are your friend or you feel bad for them or whatever is just another form of nepotism... and *that* is not ethical. And when, as in the case of where I work, this is done by spending tax-payer money to keep people employed in spite of their poor performance, that is getting awfully close to the same kind of corruption that plagues government agencies in the third world.

    I am sick and tired of people accusing the likes of Jobs of being ethically challenged for the ease with which he fires people. Better to have someone like that at the helm than to suffer at a place run by the peter principle and where seniority trumps performance.

    --
    There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
    1. Re:The Ethics of Firing Dead-Wood by korean.ian · · Score: 1

      If I could mod this any higher I would.
      The Japanese and Korean corporations learned this lesson the hard way (although the Japanese are still a little reluctant to change their cradle-to-the-grave attitude). Keeping on people who can't perform just because you gave them a job kills your company dead. Deader than dead.

  46. Motivation skills like no other by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's an interesting article from a few months back. Among other things it talks about Jobs' "hero-shithead roller coaster" in which subordinates or developing products often flip from "insanely great" to "shit" depending on his mood. Apple seems to be a highly sought after employer among geeks, but is it really worth that, if you're unlucky enough to be on Steve's radar?

    Apple may attract a certain personality that may not be considered "mainstream". One thing Jobs does well is motivate people to think their project is the most important thing on earth even if its just an accessory. When people screw up, Jobs makes them feel like its their own fault because he instills them with a sense of ownership in their work.

    While he may chew you out big-time, you do feel attached to your work in an intimate way and don't feel like just another cog in the wheel. He ties your ego to the gizmo at hand so that you rise or fall with it.

    Other companies talk about "team-work", and while it may create harmony and integration, it does tend to water down one's connection to the product. Teamwork is one approach to success, but Jobs found another path: ego coupling to the result.
             

  47. Steve's Brain by gnarlyhotep · · Score: 1

    I am Jack's review...

  48. Trick people into working for free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And be grateful for it? Genius.

  49. Missing the point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are emulating Steve Jobs in order to get along and not make waves, as is implied, you are missing the point. Whatever you think of Jobs - or Apple, it's difficult to deny he is visionary. Most geniuses and visionaries did not get along at "their company" too well. Think Galileo, Einstein, etc. Most geniuses and visionaries are ill-suited to life among the rest of us. This does not necessarily excuse their often contrary behavior - but it seems to be the way it is most often. Do not emulate Steve Jobs if you want to be the best middle manager in your company. In fact, it's probably pointless to emulate him anyway. Either you are a visionary perfectionist or not. I agree that if you are not, just being a jerk and thinking that you are emulating Steve Jobs is probably not going to get you very far.

    1. Re:Missing the point... by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      visionary he is not. good at taking idea's and refining them - yes.

      none of apples products were industry firsts, NONE of them. the mp3 player, smart phone, slimeline laptop, even OSX's features - all of them existed well before apple jumped on the bandwagon. apple is at it's core a marketing machine, nothing more.

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      If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
  50. Worst. Book. Review. Ever. by Swampash · · Score: 1

    That wasn't a book review, that was a summary of a book. There was nothing in that text to tell me whether or not it is a GOOD book, which is the whole point of a review.

  51. Re:What you can really learn... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    All the while raking in the dough and gaining $4 a share on the same day the rest of the market tanked. There's more to being successful than market share.

  52. Re:Inside a Mac user's brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical troll.
    Everyone knows the Mac is for cool people. People too busy to learn UNIX commands because they're out having sex with girls.

  53. Enough of the fauning, okay? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Steve's brain is no different to the brain of any other capitalist - he does things to make as much money for himself and for his company because that what he has to do. End of story.

    If you're going to look inside someone's brain, than choose someone who's different to "the pack"...

    How about looking into Linus Torvalds' brain to work out why someone would choose NOT to make themselves a billionaire from a brilliant idea?

    How about looking into Stepheh Hawking's brain to understand how such a great intellect flourishes inside a "broken" body?

    Steve's made his money by selling products that some people like because it makes them feel exclusive and good luck to him - but that's no different Jean Paul Gaultier, Enzo Ferrari or Anita Roddick.

    So how about respecting those people who TRULY think differently rather than those who are clever enough to make others buy stuff that makes them feel differently.

    --
    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
    1. Re:Enough of the fauning, okay? by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      How about looking inside Dubya's br..... oh wait.... as you were. :)

  54. pretty good compared to Vista by alizard · · Score: 1

    see above

  55. Simple by Slash.Poop · · Score: 0

    Learn how to be a good marketer and live off the legend that is Wozniak.
    Long Live Wozniak!!!

    ________
    Q: What is the problem Vista?
    A: XP

  56. Re:Inside a Mac user's brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    This is a most timely piece. I have a doctors' appointment today for a full physical which included a prostate check.

  57. PHB Alert! by mrraven · · Score: 2, Interesting

    PHB alert!

    Do you do that empowering their actualization of value added team playing in the channel?

    Steve Jobs OTH is not a PHB but as he said an "artist that ships." I suspect he doesn't use business school jargon because he is too busy doing real things like making sure the interface is intuitive and polished BEFORE shipping unlike the Windows and Linux model of ship early, ship often, hack, hack, hack (in both the good and bad sense of hack BTW).

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    Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
  58. Re:What you can really learn... by Doggabone · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cancellation? I think you mean consolation.

    If it's a negation for your vexation, it's both!

  59. Re:Great! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Let's pray! Great Steve, founder of the hallowed Apple.
    Forgive us for our sins!

    That's probably just how most of the big religions started: a charismatic guy becomes an idol.
         

  60. Succession by riclewis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's one thing to be able to single-handedly manage a company through the creation of an iconic set of products, explode a brand onto the world scene, develop mad mindshare... But it's all just a flash in the pan if it dies when he leaves. Good leaders help others do good things. Great leaders make new leaders. If Apple dies again when Steve leaves, I will have lost some respect for his leadership abilities. If his legacy remains at Apple after his passing, I will openly hail him as not only one of the best business leaders, but one of the best leaders period that I've seen come through in the last hundred or so years.

  61. Big Steve knew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that 64K was enough.

  62. Mighty Mouse by krischik · · Score: 1

    Only the Mighty-Mouse has 3 buttons and a 4 way scroll point and a cunning design which looks like there are no buttons at all.

    Martin