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You, Too, Could Be Batman In 10 To 12 Years

jmcbain tips a fascinating interview in Scientific American with a professor of kinesiology and neuroscience (and a 26-year practitioner of Chito-Ryu karate-do). The question was, how much training would it take for a normal person to become Batman? The professor says: "You could train somebody to be a tremendous athlete and to have a significant martial arts background, and also to use some of the gear that he has, which requires a lot of physical prowess... In terms of the physical skills to be able to defend himself against all these opponents all the time, I would benchmark that at 10 to 12 years." The problem is, even after that amount of training, no one could remain on top of their game for more than a few years. And "Batman can't really afford to lose. Losing means death — or at least not being able to be Batman anymore."

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  1. Glad I don't subscribe to Scientific American by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Funny

    The problem is, even after that amount of training, no one could remain on top of their game for more than a few years. And "Batman can't really afford to lose. Losing means death â" or at least not being able to be Batman anymore."

    So, after all that, we should all stick to our day-jobs? Thanks Slashdot, you saved us again!

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    1. Re:Glad I don't subscribe to Scientific American by smussman · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you want magazine that does a good job summarizing recent developments in science in layman's terms (or pretty close), I've found Science News to be pretty good. I certainly enjoy reading it, and I feel they do a good job of summarizing without dumbing down.

  2. Bonk by usefulidiot127 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've still yet to figure out how I can get things like "Bam, Pow, Biff, Boom" to pop out in the air when I hit people. I think that would require more training than anything else.

  3. How many years for the morals? by Scotteh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10 to 12 years for the physical training, but Batman was more than physical ability. He was in a position to determine right and wrong. That takes a lot longer to learn and not everyone is capable of such a task.

    1. Re:How many years for the morals? by CauseWithoutARebel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A large portion of the Batman storyline revolves around the question of whether or not that's really true.

      One of the more poignant observations made in the comics was by Commissioner Gordon when he pointed out that there were always regular criminals in Gotham before Batman arrived, but there weren't any supervillians until after Batman made room for them.

    2. Re:How many years for the morals? by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Isn't that because they keep all the super-villians locked up, and then release one at a time randomly for Batman to fight? That's how it seems to work. The real trouble in Gotham is that doctor at the psych ward who keeps saying things like, "Yeah, I think the Joker is rehabilitated now." Batman should just fight that guy.

    3. Re:How many years for the morals? by CauseWithoutARebel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, if you're going to remove yourself from the context of the storytelling, obviously there aren't going to be any supervillians like the Joker...

      But within the context of the story, the point was this: Batman attempted to impose order by brutalizing the criminal element until it was too beaten and scared to stand against him. When that happened, only a few well-financed, high-powered, or outright-insane villians could continue to fight him, and with organized crime no longer in control of the underworld in Gotham, they had an arena in which to do it.

      By taking street crime and organized crime out of the picture, Batman removed a barrier that prevented the supervillians from moving in to take Gotham, because the "common" criminals had just as much a reason to oppose the supervillians, in most case, as Batman does. No matter how deadly Joker is, he can't exist in a world where both the corrupt police AND organized crime have a reason to oppose him because they'll hunt him down and destroy him, but if he's only opposed by Batman, he's a one-man army facing a one-man army.

      A common theme in Batman his how Wayne is tortured by the fact that he may have caused a lot more suffering in Gotham by donning his mantle than if he had simply internalized his own suffering and let it him alive.

      The question becomes: Did Batman help Gotham by taking up his crusade, or did he just unleash the pain he was suffering on the entire population?

  4. Obligatory Neal Stephenson: by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, and devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad.

  5. Re:Where do we sign up? by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, given the size and scope of Bruce Wayne's awesome shit, I'd say quite well.

    That, or its being a self-loathing billionaire industrialist that pays out.

    Frankly, its probably not even in the scope of most slashdotters to end up being ATHF's Meatwad... after all, Meatwad makes the money, see; Meatwad gets the honeys, G...

    and we don't :(

  6. Oh he'd stay on top of his game by bigattichouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Staying on top of his game is all part of his psychosis. If you hadn't noticed, he's a bit of a whackjob himself.

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  7. I prefer some 'Real' expert opinions by burtosis · · Score: 5, Funny

    And am awaiting the panel at Comic-Con.

  8. its pop science by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    pop science is important. it is a gateway to serious science for many youngsters and average joes

    you are dismayed it does not feature serious science

    ok, so go read something else

    why the hate for a magazine of pop science?

    it serves a valuable function. are you angry that some obscure technical journal is not popular? so why are you angry that a piece of pop science is doing what a piece of pop science must do?

    if it is serious science, it is relegated to obscurity, as a rule. because it needs to be digested for the masses, where anything popular takes place

    why don't you understand this?

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  9. Re:Then we'd need to train a bunch of people... by digitalhermit · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would be an insane morale buster for the bad guys. Say you knife the Batman -- actually see your knife tear into his guts -- but he shoots his BatRope and BatDisappears for ten minutes. When he comes back he's replaced and as strong as ever, but you don't know that. All you know is that the Batman can't be killed. Maybe he's an immortal?? Maybe he's a demon?? It would be like one of those bunker busters that just completely deflate the enemy..

  10. It's more than physical ability and big money... by jvp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, the character has an almost super-human physique. And yes, he's got a big pile 'o cash that helps him afford the toys and tools he uses during his "night job". But there's more to it.

    Wayne can out-think any of his opponents. His schtick is that he's 5-10 steps ahead of anyone. If he gets into a fight, he's already out-thought the opponent and knows exactly how the fight's going to end.

    That's harder to teach. You could work someone for years so that they're at the peak of physical ability, and then dump a cubic f'load of cash on top of them. But they'd still be missing that keen tactical mind that Wayne has.

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  11. Finishing the quote by hansamurai · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hiro used to feel this way, too, but then he ran into Raven. In a way, this was liberating. He no longer has to worry about being the baddest motherfucker in the world. The position is taken.

  12. Re:Then we'd need to train a bunch of people... by Mechanik · · Score: 5, Funny

    and replace them as they 'fail' ... that way we've always got a batman.

    I am not the real Batman. My name is Ryan; I inherited the Batmobile from the previous Batman, just as you will inherit it from me. The man I inherited it from is not the real Batman either. His name was Cummerbund. The real Batman has been retired 15 years and living like a king in Patagonia.

  13. Re:I trained in Kung Fu for 6 years by dino2gnt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you find yourself in a fair fight, it's time to reevaluate your tactics.

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  14. I can see it now..... by mr_nazgul · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Batman workout video collection...

    How much will you pay for this?

    900$?

    NO!

    500$?

    NO!

    For a limited time, just two easy payments of one parent!

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  15. Re:Then we'd need to train a bunch of people... by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    >I am not the real Batman. My name is Ryan; I inherited the Batmobile from the previous Batman, just as you will inherit it from me. The man I inherited it from is not the real Batman either. His name was Cummerbund. The real Batman has been retired 15 years and living like a king in Patagonia.

    Inconceivable!

  16. Fuck that. by GungaDan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hang out in the YMCA locker room and you can be Robin in under 5 minutes.

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  17. Become a super villain instead! by Techguy666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That just takes a spray of acid to the face or a dunk in a chemical vat. No training time whatsoever.

    On another note, I get peeved by everyone ignoring Batman's "World's Greatest Detective" moniker and generally accepted reputation as one of DC Universe's smartest humans. Everyone focuses on Batman's physical skills where, in "reality", having keen observational skills and an intellect allowing superior strategems probably alleviates a lot of the need for ultimate physical skills.

  18. Re:Then we'd need to train a bunch of people... by bigtimepie · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the exact premise of The Phantom. The son replaces the father as The Phantom, but the bad guys think it's always the same guy.

  19. Re:Then we'd need to train a bunch of people... by Siridar · · Score: 5, Funny

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  20. Glad I don't read slashdot by iwein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looking at Scientific American articles from even fifty years ago, let alone a century, shows how sadly dumbed down the magazine has become. It used to target a readership of average citizens who were keen on the nitty-gritty of scientific developments. Now it all flash and no substance, little different from Popular Science. The lesson American media teaches us: nothing good is every ultimately profitable as is.

    Looking at /. from even 5 years ago, let alone 10, shows you how lame it has become. It used to be about news for nerds and stuff that matters, now it is just about wannabe nerds whining about Popular Science. The lesson: making useful comments ultimately ever informative as if.

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  21. Re:Where do we sign up? by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    My high school girlfriend was a runner-up and spirit award winner for Miss Teen VA when we were 16

    Alright, that does not add to the conversation. You're just using this opportunity to gloat.

  22. RAIB?! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would that be a RAIB?

    Redundant Array of Interchangeable Batmen?

    or more like a High Available Batcluster?

  23. Re:Where do we sign up? by ottothecow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would add to the conversation if he included pictures

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  24. If I only had a brain... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about the mental component? While the movie Batman Begins didn't do too much with it, Batman's greatest asset is his mind.

    He's a genius and one of the greatest minds in the DC universe. He uses it be one of the greatest detectives and occasional research, and use strategies/tactics to take down even the greatest forces (even Superman).

    It isn't his physic and toys that let him stand with the greatest heroes and face the most dangerous villains, but his greatest asset: his mind.

    Without his mind he's just some generic tough guy.

  25. I'm already a superhero! by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was bitten by a radio active sloth and now I can do the laying around of TEN men!

  26. Re:I trained in Kung Fu for 6 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the best lessons I learned in martial arts is there are two kinds of fights, those you fight dirty and those you lose.

  27. Re:Then we'd need to train a bunch of people... by EricTheMad · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Dread Pirate Batman?

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  28. Re:Then we'd need to train a bunch of people... by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

    Never get involved in a flamewar on Slashdot, or never go in against a Troll when your Karma is on the line?

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