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Microsoft Engineers Invent Displays That Top LCDs For Efficiency

MechEMark writes with this excerpt from a hope-inspiring article at the IEEE Spectrum, which says "Researchers from Microsoft say they've built a prototype of a display screen using a technology that essentially mimics the optics in a telescope but at the scale of individual display pixels. The result is a display that is faster and more energy efficient than a liquid crystal display, or LCD, according to research reported yesterday in Nature Photonics ... The design greatly increases the amount of backlight that reaches the screen. The researchers were able to get about 36 percent of the backlight out of a pixel, more than three times as much light as an LCD can deliver. But Microsoft senior research engineer Michael Sinclair says that through design improvements, he expects that number to go up — theoretically, as high as 75 percent."

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  1. One problem. by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

    The only colour plane that works right now is blue.

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    1. Re:One problem. by justhatched · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only colour plane that works right now is blue.

      But how do you know whether to reboot the display or the PC?

    2. Re:One problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only colour plane that works right now is blue.

      The blue is a feature. It has a calming effect while you contact tech support to ask why your computer was bricked by the new and exciting upgrade you just installed. The loud hum coming from the monitor is also supposed to be a relaxing sound and the smoke is supposed to remind you of a warm fireplace much like the smoke from an Xbox does.

    3. Re:One problem. by jd · · Score: 3, Funny

      I dunno. It's hard to find good, solid paperweights these days.

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    4. Re:One problem. by dwater · · Score: 2, Funny

      I get some good ones when I go to the toilet...sometimes.

      You can have one of them, if you like. ...or perhaps you'd prefer to make some of your own. I recommend a diet with a lot of eggs.

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    5. Re:One problem. by unfunnyguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought personalized trolls were a subscriber-only option.

    6. Re:One problem. by fprintf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As an owner of a Microsoft Natural keyboard that is still going strong, I'd say that you are mistaken... some of their hardware has been quite good!

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    7. Re:One problem. by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Random Victim Limerick Troll:
      he likes to poke fun at our holes.
      He clicks 'post anon'
      as he shouts at his mom -
      cause the basement is getting too cold.

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    8. Re:One problem. by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's really unfair. Their hardware is way more reliable than their software.

      If they've figured out how to put a lens in front of an LED I can't see how reliability will be a problem.

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  2. OS Agnostic? by jasonmanley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every time I hear about the great research that MS does I think about how great it is that they are putting their money into these IT projects. Then I stop and think "wait a minute, will this only work on Windows?"
    Well it seems obvious to me that a display technology should not be impacted by an OS but then my more synical nature takes over and asks if there is SOMEHOW a way that they could make this a Windows only thing.
    Well is it possible?

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    1. Re:OS Agnostic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If it got too big then Ballmer would scrap the project and allocate its resources toward futile attempts to dethrone Google.

      I see what you did there. He has to take GOOG's chair before he can throw it at them!

    2. Re:OS Agnostic? by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, it is possible for this to be a Microsoft-only technology.

      For example, they could just link it with their wacky 'Surface' [or whatever], so you have to buy the whole display/computer together, and since it'll be a proprietary, custom solution, sorry, but no Linux support. Or license it to companies making AllInOne computers [iMac knockoffs], but with the licensing restriction that Linux be prevented from running on it [what, more secret anti-competitive licensing terms].

      Hell, they could mandate that the display only has say DisplayPort or HDMI connections, and requires some wacked version of these protocols [no, Microsoft would NEVER do that...] so that any device that wants to display using it would have to 'prove' that a license fee has been paid to Microsoft [via some complicated private/public key exchanges, along with an always-on network connection, that only occasionally doesn't work].

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    3. Re:OS Agnostic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who cares? Insofar as Microsoft is in the hardware business, they don't seem to discriminate except by providing only Windows and Mac driversâ"but everyone does that, so no biggie. Lots of people use their Intellimouse or their Microsoft Natural Keyboard on their pet OS. I don't see what Microsoft would gain by doing more work to discriminate: they'd just give people a reason to buy some other excellent monitor. It's more of an Apple thing to do, and even *their* displays work fine on any OS.

    4. Re:OS Agnostic? by jorghis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you are being paranoid. MS didnt do that with any of their other hardware. (joysticks/keyboards/mouse/etc) Really, is there any practical way to keep someone from plugging a monitor into a linux box?

    5. Re:OS Agnostic? by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your quite valid point aside, here's another one to throw into the mix...

      Dont OLEDs obsolete this technology already? And I am pretty sure they get more than just blue out of an OLED display... :-)

    6. Re:OS Agnostic? by RobertM1968 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, all they need to do is follow the DRM laden specs that high end monitors on HDMI are supposed to use in Vista - and lock the monitors in that mode.

      All Linux and other OS's need to do is enable DRM... MS isnt locking them out of anything... they arent implementing the right technology to use it, even though they "can" (or can't because the video card manufacturers wont release the specs needed to modify drivers under Linux).

      This would have the same effect, and put the blame at someone else's feet (ie: not Microsoft's).

      Note the sarcasm in the words... yet it is quite possible the truth will follow that path nonetheless... but it would be a stupid move. Especially with other technologies out there that would be competing against this.

    7. Re:OS Agnostic? by cheater512 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nothing Linux cant adapt to.

    8. Re:OS Agnostic? by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah OLEDs are superior by nature. No backlight thus no efficiency problems.
      The light is generated on demand.

    9. Re:OS Agnostic? by Ahnteis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You mean require HDCP? Why would they do that? So that suddenly 75% (guess) of their customer base couldn't use their choice of monitor? For what possible gain?

      HDCP is only required when you play blu-ray or hd-dvd discs. I suppose Microsoft could agree to require it on DRMed media -- but they've never even hinted that they would be stupid enough to require it for general purpose computing. What would be the point?!

      Honestly, this train of thought looks like the paranoid rantings of a delusional conspiracy theorist.

    10. Re:OS Agnostic? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It comes from Microsoft Research so it isn't intended to ever be used anywhere.

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    11. Re:OS Agnostic? by English+French+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right,

      The whole concept of DRM looks like the paranoid rantings of a delusional conspiracy theorist. Honestly, why would there be situations where I don't have the right to see a movie I bought?

      However, DRM exists and people begin to get used to it, sadly. If it can profit to Microsoft to lock their hardware to be only compatible with Windows, they'd do it, without looking back.

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    12. Re:OS Agnostic? by Wister285 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless you consider adaptation to be waiting 2.5-5 year for something that works about 90%, I won't be eagerly awaiting the reverse engineering!

    13. Re:OS Agnostic? by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's more of an Apple thing to do, and even *their* displays work fine on any OS.

      Or you can just buy an LG at two thirds the price, spray paint it shiny white and bung one of your kid's fruit stickers on the front.

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    14. Re:OS Agnostic? by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Inferior don't you mean? - Hence the fact that they're hardly used. They're really expensive and only last a few thousand hours before fading. They also bring back the burn-in problems which we thought we'd long since forgotten from phosphor based displays. Hence, if I walk into a local shop, they have NO OLED screens at all.

      Actually, Dell is selling laptops that have OLED options for the screen. They have improved quite a bit since when you last looked at them.

      That aside, I still think they beat MS's new technology (I havent looked at a monochrome monitor in years - nor do I plan on again if at all possible).

      As both technologies mature, I would thus expect that OLED technology remains above the curve. In addition, it is still far more efficient in lighting... MS's idea uses tricks to decrease light waste on a wasteful technology, while OLEDs display the light you are looking at without the use of mirrors and lenses to try to reach (they exceed) that efficiency.

      They tend to only be used in things with an inherently short lifespan, eg mobile phones, which are rarely used after a 2-3 years. Nobody would buy a TV which is quarter as bright after 2 years and has a channel logo burnt into the top left.

      Yes they would, did and still do... it's called Plasma screens... which while improved, still have those problems. The early models (years worth of production models) exhibitted major image burn problems and major image/color fade problems. While the current ones are better, they still have those problems.

      On a side note, LCDs exhibit those problems as well - even if to a much lesser extent. The crystals dont fully close over time and thus start leaving an afterimage. I've bought quite a few used LCDs that were used in certain vertical markets, and as soon as you turned the things on, you could see the burn-in from the image that used to be on the screen.

      Even newer ones do this as well... at Star Trek New Voyages, we've replaced various of the "blinky light panels" on the Enterprise bridge with LCDs... showing the same blinky lights in the same place over and over again have started to leave ghost images on a few - none of which are very old (all are actually relatively new). Not a big issue for us, as with the plexi over them, it's not noticable on camera... but it is there.

      As a side note, perhaps you should research what you talk about before you post (just a thought)... Sony and others have already started either production - or sales - of OLED TVs to replace or supplement their current LCD and Plasma offerings. Some of which are already being reviewed online.

  3. OLED by Brain+Damaged+Bogan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aren't OLED displays already a lot more efficient?

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    1. Re:OLED by Anpheus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah but they're a pain to manufacture still (still stuck to small form factors,) expensive for the number of square inches you get, hard to get really awesome brightness out of and then there's still problems with one of the colors (blue, I believe) fading much faster than the others.

      For that matter, aren't quantum dot based displays a lot more efficient? Well, yes. But.

    2. Re:OLED by JLF65 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Where have you been? OLEDs are easy to make these days. There was even an article on PRINTING OLEDs on poster size paper some months back.

    3. Re:OLED by neokushan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then where's my cheap 24" OLED monitor?

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  4. OLEDs? SEDs? by renoX · · Score: 2, Informative

    OLEDs and SEDs have many advantages over LCD (the big disadvantage being that they're not mass-produced cheaply currently: OLEDs are produced but they're not cheap)..

    So I'm not very excited about a technology which only cuts the power consumption of LCDs..

    1. Re:OLEDs? SEDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're not excited about an advance that can improve the type of monitors that we actually use? You must not get excited about display technology advances very often.

      Or is it that you don't get excited about advances in general unless they speak to any of the various orphaned technologies you have adopted, simply for the sake of safeguarding your delusion that your understanding of technology is wider and deeper when compared to other students of technology?

      I'm guessing it's a combination of the two.

    2. Re:OLEDs? SEDs? by Nymz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But notebook and PDA users might be exicited their batteries will be lasting longer.

    3. Re:OLEDs? SEDs? by renoX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that OLEDs and SEDs in theory also reduce the power consumption over normal LCD, as the pixels themselves emit light so there's no need of backlight.
      Sure SEDs and OLEDs are not really mass produced currently, but neither is this new technology for LCDs.

      And SEDs and OLEDs have many other advantage over LCDs: better refresh rate, contrast, viewing angle (reliability for SEDs).
      So this new LCD technology isn't very exciting..

    4. Re:OLEDs? SEDs? by MrNiCeGUi · · Score: 2, Informative

      By the same token Linux should have never appeared since Hurd was just around the corner. But hurd never came and Linux stole its thunder.

      In the marketplace success is very dependent on price. If OLED does not get cheaper and easier to manufacture faster than five years, not to mention in larger sizes and with longer life, this improvement may well find a very nice place if it does come on said schedule.

      What's true also is that a lot of these articles are just "look at what cool things we have developed in our lab" and there is no real intention of ever using them besides PR. Which may very well be the case with OLED, which was trumped up for as long as I can remember and besides a few little screens we haven't seen anything.

  5. contrast ratio: 20:1 by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 3, Informative

    And that's uselessly low.

    It's easy to make an LCD more efficient, just block less light. The problem is that the contrast ratio is the difference between the least amount of light you can block and the most you can block. They've just basically made a system that isn't capable of blocking much light and so it's brighter. But at the expense of the contrast ratio.

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    1. Re:contrast ratio: 20:1 by amliebsch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you have a source for this number? It wasn't in the TFA that I could see.

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    2. Re:contrast ratio: 20:1 by scrib · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since you didn't include a reference, it took a bit of searching to find a good source. This source also has some good graphics about how the display works.

      "The first prototype's contrast ratio was 20:1, mainly due to the use of non-collimated back light. This was a limitation of the current prototype, not of the technology. This is supported by simulations ... which show that a ratio of at least 800:1 is possible."

      20:1 may not be particularly useful, but 800:1 is certainly usable, and modified with "at least" makes this a technology "at least" worthy watching for future development. It's not reasonable to judge a technology by its first prototype.

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  6. Microsoft's niche by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always said that Microsoft was pretty good as a hardware company.

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    1. Re:Microsoft's niche by FrostedWheat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not so sure. Didn't they invent the F-lock key?

    2. Re:Microsoft's niche by r_benchley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I always said that Microsoft was pretty good as a hardware company.

      My dead Xbox360 would respectfully disagree with you.

    3. Re:Microsoft's niche by JakeD409 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      [The Xbox 360 has] 4 LED's who's sole purpose is to tell you that it is is DEAD!

      I'm not sure if you're being snarky or if you didn't know this, but the 4 LEDs surrounding the power button also tell you how many controllers (between 1 and 4) are connected to the system. In many peoples' opinions, they also look cool.

      I'm not saying they're completely necessary, but given the popularity of case mods, I don't think a company deserves to be criticized for putting extra lights on their system (especially ones that do have some useful functions).

    4. Re:Microsoft's niche by iknowcss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My still-working Original Xbox would respectfully disagree with you :)

      See how stating anecdotal facts doesn't actually mean anything?

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  7. The OLPC screen already does this by NixieBunny · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's one reason it gets such good battery life. It uses the magic of diffraction gratings to use nearly all the light that it receives. I read that the creator of the screen is in the process of commercializing it, and I can't wait for it to get into the world of readily-available products.

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    1. Re:The OLPC screen already does this by originalTMAN · · Score: 2

      A diffraction grating is not at all the same as a reflecting telescope. But how do the gratings help? I thought the problem was the polarization of light? Wouldn't the gratings be extremely narrow band filters?

  8. Not to be ignored... by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...is the faster switching speed. Considering this prototype has a ~1ms switching time, and LED backlights are already popular, it may be feasible to create, in effect, a flat panel DLP display by rapidly cycling the backlight color.

    Current flat panel displays have three sub-pixels in every pixel. One only allows red light, one blue, and one green. It's very inefficient: You need three LCD elements to display each pixel, and two-thirds of the backlight is blocked outright by the color filters.

    With a color-cycling display, every element displays every color in turn, so (all else being equal) you triple the resolution *and* the efficiency.

    The only downside is a possible rainbow effect if the display does not cycle colors quickly enough.

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  9. Different point of view by kmac06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess I'm looking at this from a different point of view from most of the comments so far. I read the article, and I'm thinking "Wow! What a cool new way of attacking an old problem!" It's a brand new technology, I don't expect it to be immediately better than decades old technology overnight. I just like the new technique and the micro-scale optics. Then again, I am studying optics in graduate school so I might be a bit biased...

  10. Re:Profitless excercise by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anna Pyayt led the research as part of her Ph.D. thesis at the University of Washington in collaboration with two Microsoft engineers. Microsoft funded the work and has also applied for a patent on the technology.

    See, they may not manufacture it themselves, but they'll certainly be getting license fees for each unit sold...

    They need something to make up for their lack of Vista sales.

    Who knows, maybe the display will incorporate a TCPA/Palladium chip, so a licensed OS will be required also.

    e.g. For an OS to be able to display something on this type of the monitor, the OS vendor must license the patent and pay the fee

    And support the TCPA specs.

    What better way to push Vista than to make the hardware explicitly require it? XP doesn't support the advanced DRM required for the more modern lines of efficient displays (which will eventually be mandated by law, just like laws will eventually be passed banning traditional lightbulbs).

  11. already posted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    this has already been posted :(

  12. Re:Microsoft invented? by bursch-X · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was done by a student, the Microsoft engineers were probably taking notes ;-) business as usual.

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  13. obviously by r00t · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can even think of two ways to block Linux.

    If you can too, SHUT UP ABOUT IT!

  14. Re:DLP rainbows by originalTMAN · · Score: 5, Informative

    unlikey for three reasons 1.) rainbow effect only exists in ("slow") single chip DLP's because, only one color is on at any given time. 2.) the mirrors don't spin and reflect per say, they bend to focus. 3.) the switching time is fast- 600fps fast- so even if they're were rainbows which they're shouldn't be, you wouldn't be able to see them because it is so far above the flicker fusion threshhold.

  15. Re:Haha, let's see "Linux" do something like that by fluffman86 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damn, I've got mod points and there's no "-1, Wrong"

  16. If this is 100% right. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2, Funny

    That means that Microsoft has, for the very first time, invented something useful.

    No, please, I'm dead serious about this !

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  17. it's microsoft... by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... quickly bash them, before they do anything good.

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  18. Viewable angle by dangitman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If this really works like a telescope, then wouldn't that mean the display would have a very low viewable angle? After all, a telescope is just a telephoto lens. And telephoto lenses have a narrow field-of-view.

    So, you'd probably have to look directly at the display from a perpendicular angle. Move a little to the side, and you're going to lose the image altogether, or have it severely degraded. LCDs are already bad enough in this respect.

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  19. Service Pack by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Red Colour Hue on MVLB Displays

    Some users have noticed a slight rosy color hue on their new Microsoft(TM) MVLB (MakeVistaLookBetter) displays. This is a design feature, but users who have downgraded their computer systems to vastly inferior Operating Systems (Windows XP or Lin.. [MSKb Editor: REMOVED - Mention that and you're sacked]) may wish to obtain MVLB Service Pack 1 to re-balance the colors to a more natural 'look-and-feel'.

    Article ID : 45888372
    Last Review : July 25, 2008
    Revision : 1.0

    SYMPTOMS:
    You look at your MVLB display and the world seems rosy.

    TECHNICAL INFORMATION:
    MVLB display optics have been chromatically adjusted to emphasise the red end of the color spectrum to enhance the user experience with Windows(TM) Vista.

    RESOLUTION:
    Users can obtain MVLB Service Pack 1, which comprises 3932160 (1280x1024x3) colour-corrected nano-dots. Using the supplied grid alignment device (ruler) and tweezers, one dot should be carefully applied to the surface of the MVLB immediately above each pixel. Note that each nano-dot is color-balanced for a specific pixel color (red, green and blue) and so must be applied above the correct display pixel - each nano-dot has an identifying letter ('R', 'G' and 'B') stamped on its edge. Users will require a tube of superglue and possibly a scanning electron microscope.

    NOTE: Do not sneeze whilst applying the nano-dots.

    APPLIES TO:
    MVLB V1.0 displays

    KEYWORDS: MVLB, rosy, tinted, Vista

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  20. Re:Microsoft doing something worthwhile by pimpimpim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft research is doing some very cool stuff, I didn't know they also got into hardware research, and this is almost going to fundamental research. No reason to be bashing here, at least it's money spent that isn't going to buy out competition just to smack them, or to pay lawsuits. And if it makes you feel better, most of the innovations from microsoft research don't make it into microsoft products anyway.

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  21. They also make really good mice by patio11 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have no clue why. Dell/HP/Logitech mice, meh, they're essentially disposable -- I get a new one with every new computer because they're generally on their last legs by then. Persistent gunk issues, laser malfunctioning when running over certain colors, total hardware failure, button responsiveness drops, what have you.

    I got a Microsoft laser mouse for ~$50 back in, crikey, must have been about 2000. It isn't a gamer anything -- just two buttons and a wheel -- but that thing is an absolute tank. If its reliability continues like it has through the last near decade of heavy, heavy use it might very well be the last mouse I ever buy.

  22. This looks like a variation on DLP by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Something that was invented 20 years ago. I wonder if Texas Instruments have their lawyers on standby...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLP

  23. Re:Haha, let's see "Linux" do something like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Linux is an operating system kernel. Microsoft ( note not Windows ) is a huge multi billion dollar technology company with diverse interests. You are a troll and whoever modded you insightful - what happened, linux ran off with your girlfriend ?

  24. Filling efficiency by zombie_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA in Nature (here):

    Pixels are placed next to each other so that the maximum possible fill factor of 78% is achieved. [...]

    The maximum transmission of a single pixel in the on state can be derived from the fact that the secondary mirror has a diameter equal to half that of the primary mirror and blocks 25% of the backlight. Thus, 75% of the backlight will reach the primary mirror. Simulations indicate that 95% of the light from the primary mirror can reach the pixel's output. In the experiment it was measured to be 61%, which can be further optimized.

    The total amount of backlight that can be transmitted by a telescopic pixel display based on the experiment is pi/4 times 0.75 times 61% approximately 36%, and simulations show that up to 56% is possible. The current experimental value is 3.5-7 times greater than that of LCDs, and therefore for the same backlight intensity, the telescopic pixel is 3.5-7 times brighter.

    That pi/4 (78.5%) filling density comes from the fact that the circle-shaped pixels are aranged in a square grid, if they arrange them in a hexagonal grid, they would achieve efficiency of pi/(2*sqrt(3)) - 90.7%.

  25. Re:Haha, let's see "Linux" do something like that by bytesex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    'Invention' is compatible with open source 'schtuf', but the GP is right that Linux is a unix-clone and therefore, limited in the amount of (software) invention it will allow. Granted, /any/ OS is limited and unix is a better choice than most, but there /are/ better models out there, including, ironically, models invented by the very inventors of unix that were already available when Linux was still in its infancy. All you get from cloning unix is a lot of eyeballs and a lot of already compilable source-code. But many choices of better desktop-OS-es and better server-OS-es and better embedded-OS-es have since come and gone.

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  26. Re:Haha, let's see "Linux" do something like that by Saunalainen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're all wrong - open source software IS capable of innovation. For instance, take a look at LyX, a document processor that beats all else hands down. For that matter, LaTeX itself is open source and is the gold standard in creating technical documents. Neither of these is a copy of a closed source original.

    The free software/open source approach works well where people can scratch their own itches - in fields where those who need technical innovation are also capable of developing the technology to do it, such as science and mathematics. It fares less well for products which are developed to be sold to someone else - `office suite' software, or for that matter computer monitor hardware (to get us back onto topic). However, saying that open source is incapable of innovation is like saying that all major discoveries are made by commercial entities rather than universities.

  27. Great hardware company by asc99c · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not joking here, I'm genuinely confused.

    Why is it that Microsoft is actually a pretty good hardware company? All their peripherals are pretty good. Xbox has a few issues but it's really a one off.

    Intel on the other hand is just about the worlds best software company. I spent a lot of time at university working with intel developer tools and libraries without ever encountering a single issue.

    1. Re:Great hardware company by hansamurai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My guess is because when making the hardware, they don't have to deal with the last 25 years of legacy code and support. With the Zune, the Xbox, their mice, etc. they're generally just free to go crazy and not care about whether MS Works '97 will work or not.

      Of course the 360 was backwards compatible with the original Xbox and users are experiencing widespread problems with that. Probably more of a coincidence than anything though.

  28. Re:W-what? by nimbius · · Score: 2, Funny

    HP and most major pharmaceutical companies do the same thing. set up shop on campus and reap the rewards. large companies see R&D just tend to fizzle out as they get bigger...something about all the "town-hall meetings" with management and "facetime" just sucks the will to create right out of 'em. heck, i work for a fortune 100, and i struggled to make a pot of coffee today, let alone do anything that might revolutionize....stuff.....

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  29. Go Team USA! by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The one thing that I really do like about the closed model is that Apple and Microsoft seem to be the only two American companies capable of actually taking on foreign competition in their core competencies and winning.

    They are just kicking the shit out of Sony and as guy who watched RCA flounder and go down for an answer to the Walkman every iPod and xBox 360 sold just gives me great delight. And now, the even possibility of Microsoft taking back at least the design of electronic screens back from asian manufacturers is pretty damned sweet.

    You all may hate Microsoft and Apple and love Linux, but is there any doubt that if Ford and GM were as adeptly run as Microsoft and Apple were, American car companies wouldn't be caught building giant trucks -again- and then take seemingly 5 years to turn around.

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  30. Re:Haha, let's see "Linux" do something like that by orasio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your point has been repeated over and over. You are -1, Redundant.

    Linus Torvalds is not a great thinker, but he has some reasonable ideas. Not long ago he said that innovation is overrated. Anybody can come up with new ideas. The thing is implementing them, and good.
    Xerox was great, but Macintosh was more important in bringing the desktop to people.
    There are good ideas everywhere, we don't need new ideas, we already know what we want, what is needed is good implementations.
    Aside from that, MS is not that good an innovator, either. They didn't come up with WIMP, they didn't come up with the idea of selling it to the masses. They didn't come up with office productivity software. They didn't come up with media players, consoles, mouses, anything.
    The thing they are good at is building a product that is good enough (good, when it comes to hardware), and selling it. They rule at marketing. They are the kings of it. They are innovators in that area. But that doesn't benefit the users, so I think it's not important for us, but for their shareholders.

    GNU/Linux is a way to get good software, on _my_ terms. It's what I want, and it works. There are alternatives, a lot worse in most regards, and somewhat better in other, but they are not provided on terms that are fair to me, so it's a no-brainer who I will choose. It's not about innovation either. It's about fulfilling my needs, without asking for my first born baby in return.

  31. F-Lock? by PRMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not that F-Lock is so bad, it's the fact that it is ON BY DEFAULT EVERY TIME YOU BOOT THE FRIGGIN PC that's the problem.

    The keyboard I'm on right now (a Logitech) has the F-Lock key and I never think about it because it remembers the setting between reboots.

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