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US Broadband Won't Catch Up With Japan's For 101 Years

An anonymous reader writes "Internet speeds of users nationwide shows that the United States has not made significant improvements in deploying high-speed broadband networks in the past year, and if the average US Internet speed continues to improve only at the same rate it did from 2007 to 2008, the country won't catch up with Japan's current download speed for another 100 years, according to findings released by the Communications Workers of America's (CWA's) Speed Matters campaign." With enough statistical mangling, nearly anything can be presented as plausible, but that's not enough to cover up my envy of Asian broadband speeds.

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  1. oook by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, because we all know upgrade paths are all completely linear...

    1. Re:oook by CaptainPatent · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, because we all know upgrade paths are all completely linear...

      Yeah, and the US is next in line... so we should get it sometime next year!

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    2. Re:oook by daveatneowindotnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not sure how this is on topic, but to bring it so. Japan is having this problem while the US is not, thanks largely to brain gain from places like India and immigration from Mexico providing a robust blue collar work force. Sure that pisses off Lou Dobbs but it will keep America afloat. In all likelihood there will just be an evaporation of the native American middle class (no not Cherokee). America has been declared dead due to worse things then outsourcing, a momentary credit crunch, and ill advised war (read: moneysink) and survived handsomely. For better or worse the American Hegemony will survive for sometime longer if only for the fact there isn't a clear successor yet.

    3. Re:oook by xaxa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ofcourse, it's linear! Also Japan is the same size as the United States.

      From the report the article cites:
      "One explanation of why, in most instances, broadband penetration and a range of available geographic variables show little or no correlation is that large countries tend to have extensive coverage of DSL and cable networks. In fact, the total landmass of a country has a very low correlation with broadband penetration per 100 inhabitants across the OECD (see Figure 1.7). For example, Canada has the highest penetration rate among the G7 countries â" which are all smaller."

      Canada has a higher broadband penetration rate than Japan, the UK, France, Germany -- in fact, Japan and the USA have similar broadband penetration rates.

      It's not dispersion either (how clumped-together people are), Japan, the US and Canada have similar dispersions.

    4. Re:oook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And broadband speeds also means faster downloads of penetration videos.

    5. Re:oook by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Replying only because you made this on topic :)

      if only for the fact there isn't a clear successor yet

      Ahem. China? India? Heck, Brazil?

      All have far more robust economies than the US at the moment, if national budgets are anything to go by. The US government has long considered its ability to tax its citizens as an unlimited line of credit. They (you?) are about (in the near future, near being used on the historical timescale) to find out that there is no such thing as an unlimited line of credit. The US citizens' willingness to be frogboiled into paying for more and more of their income to their government's siphon-wealth-to-the-rich program is wearing thin.

      If you're cynical enough, you could postulate that the destruction of the US education system is no a political misadventure, but a deliberate act to keep the working class in a poorly educated state. This would ensure that they lack the insight to interpret political reality for themselves, instead relying solely on pre-digested conclusions drip fed to them via the mass media.

      But that's a position you'd take if you were cynical enough. I'm obviously not :)

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    6. Re:oook by bluesk1d · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thats fantastic and all but one has zero to do with the other. Federal defense spending has jack squat to do with private corporations upgrading the service they provide. Thats like saying "If all the money spent on Iraq had been spent on funding Samsung R&D, we'd have 10000080P TVs zOMG Obama ftw!!1!"

    7. Re:oook by spidercoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bureaucracy and the lack of any kind of desire to improve our crumbling infrastructure. Nobody sees the long term in this country, all they worry about is how full they can stuff their pockets right now. Spend some money now to improve society for the future? Fuck that, you're not eating away at MY profit margin. Short-sighted money grubbing pricks is all that's left of this country. Maybe when our woefully outdated national power grid starts collapsing we'll do something about it, but not before it becomes a crisis. Broadband? Good luck.

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    8. Re:oook by befletch · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm... he is citing a source, even if only indirectly. I found it faster to google "oecd country population dispersion" and I got this PDF as my first result. Figure 1.8 on page 31 shows Canada, the US and Japan closely clustered for population dispersion & broadband penetration, with Canada both most dispersed and most... penetrated.

      I still wonder how meaningful the chosen metric is. You're talking percentage of land mass vs. percentage of population, which is an odd way to compare Japan and Canada. I mean, the dispersion rate may be similar, but the difference in distances involved is still huge. Not that this weakens the GP's point.

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    9. Re:oook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, I thought you might have a point until you started going into the uber-right-wing whacko talk. U.S. tax rates are relatively low for a first world nation - and your assertion of it being considered an unlimited line of credit seems ill-timed considering the whole reality of taxes being reduced repeatedly over Dubya's term. If you want to go into a full libertarian rant about how the state shouldn't do things like pay for schools or roads or the military or protect the environment, then fine - at least that would be logically consistent.

      I'd at least argue that so long as we receive services, we should probably pay for them. I'd also argue that our society is better served by counteracting class disparity - especially as brought on through the mechanism of inheritance - similar to how we are best served by tempering or breaking up monopolies. Somewhat intelligent peoples such as Warren Buffett take a similar stance.

      As far as the mentioned alternatives, they have a long way to go yet. India and China will overtake us in sheer total numbers, but will remain far behind us in per capita terms and other things like standard of living. If you look at them, they're are nations in upheaval and while growing their middle class, they also have levels of poverty unimaginable to the vast majority of Americans. It's entirely possible for the wind to blow another direction and eventually every great nation crests and declines, however thinking one of these nations will be ready to become our successor in a matter of years instead of a matter of decades shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the state of the world.

    10. Re:oook by hedwards · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not true at all. China's economy is pretty precarious as it is, it's not going to take a lot for them to see the sort of downturn which we in the US can only dream of.

      India suffers from serious corruption problems and poverty.

      Brazil is the best of the lot, but they've still got quite a bit of poverty and no particularly great path to fixing that.

      And ultimately most of the exports that are being made by China are produced by foreign corporations, many of which are American, leaving a much smaller amount of the profits in Chinese hands than one would typically expect. Couple that with the deliberate acts of the Chinese government to keep wages low.

      Sure we in the US have problems, but their not the kind of problems which the BRIC countries have. Assuming that we're going to keep on this course, the course formed by the least popular President ever and his lapdogs, is somewhat questionable at best.

    11. Re:oook by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm, I'm not saying the state shouldn't fund schools, roads or the military, nor am I saying anything at all about the nominal tax rate. I was making a point regarding the national budget, which has what many economists call an "irretrievable deficit". Meaning it's so far in debt, it'll likely never be able to pay it off, even if it stopped spending tomorrow. Economics 101 is down the hall.

      standard of living

      Sure, if you measure that in terms of "televisions per capita" or "calories consumed per capita". If you measure it in terms of "suicides per capita" or the rate of anti-depressant drug prescription, the US fares not so well.

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    12. Re:oook by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, my wife has always told me that size matters, speed is just a courtesy to her TV viewing time.

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    13. Re:oook by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Robust by what measure? Which of those has a GDP larger then the United States of America?

    14. Re:oook by Retric · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We are talking about Japan which also develops tech and has been paying less for higher bandwidth connections for over 10 years. The US network sucks because of poor planning and poor execution and nothing else. We waste a lot of money without building fast networks because our telecoms suck and we let them get away with it.

    15. Re:oook by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're cynical enough, you could postulate that the destruction of the US education system is no a political misadventure, but a deliberate act to keep the working class in a poorly educated state

      Are you aware of the history of public schools in the US? There really is no prior system that this one devolved from. Except for central control by the Federal Government, public schools today are essentially identical to the public schools of last century. The curricula may change slightly here and there, but the goals are identical. We have a "lowest common denominator" school system because that was the intent from the beginning. That this results in keeping the "working class" stupid is merely an unintended consequence of government meddling.

      If we want to fix our schools, the first step must be to return it to local city and county control. In the long term however, we must get government out of the education business, or our schools will continue to crank out sheeple.

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    16. Re:oook by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yet everyone in the US has a phone and do you think LA's fibre optics and NY's fibre optics travel through some ratty little copper cable when it runs through the middle of the US?

      These companies have no problem running their fibre through some farmer's land but they don't want to give him any of the benefits.

      I know it's not that simple but the fact is the US lagging behind has nothing to do with how but the US is. It's because companies don't want to service certain areas. As someone who lived in rural Pennsylvania, I know what kind of contempt Verizion has for people in the country.

      Despite the fact where I used to live isn't that far from the nearest broadband and it's an upcoming area with a lot of rich people moving in I don't think they offer any sort of broadband even now. In fact I know there are people there that don't even have decent dialup because of the line noise but Verizion's policy is basically as long as you can tell someone else is on the other end they don't give a fuck how noisy your line is. Businesses are exceptionally tight and the only way the US will ever catch up to anyone else is either force companies to roll it out or the government lays its own broadband.

    17. Re:oook by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why do we maintain an expensive military if we won't use it to acquire things our country needs? Oil, women, and broadband. Soldiers, go get them and bring them to us.

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    18. Re:oook by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason Japan has done so well is that the government decided broadband was something they wanted, and took a lead role in making it happen. In the UK and US, telecoms and cable companies have just been left to their own devices and so the market has driven them to offer as little service as possible for as much money as possible while spending as little as possible on upgrades. As individual consumers there is nothing we can do, only the government can speed things up.

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    19. Re:oook by kjots · · Score: 2, Insightful

      which was his entire point.

      No, his point was that the "low population density" of the U.S. vs. Asia (laughing now 'cause I'm an Aussie) will give the former an advantage over the latter for wireless internet. It won't, because the actual available bandwidth of the single shared wireless medium is significantly less then that of the multitude of wired and optical media, and always will be.

      I mean, do you really expect the nations of Asia to dig up their extensive high speed wide band network infrastructure simply because a newer, sexier technology becomes available? Asians tend to be a little more practical then that.

    20. Re:oook by BootNinja · · Score: 2, Insightful

      look back to his analogy. he mentions the futility of trying to use a cell phone after a concert because there are thousands of people all trying to call on the same 2 or 3 cell sites, so depending on the technology only between about 6 and 20 people will be able to connect.

      Take this back to his comment about higher population densities in Asia and you'll see that he's saying in the wireless medium America being more spread out means fewer people per channel using the same wireless networks, equating to higher speeds.

      However, you do have a point that they aren't likely to get rid of the wired infrastructure, so his premise is flawed, but he was actually saying essentially the same thing as you wrt wireless limitations.

    21. Re:oook by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, explain France?

      No government push for broadband (after the cable-tv catastrophe)

      ADSL-2+ for EUR 30 more or less everywhere

      30mbit->100mbit cable internet in the big cities

      50mbit->100mbit (symetric) fiber going in all over the place (for 30-40 EUR/month)

      Answer: a free market. The only rules the government is enforcing are the anti-trust rules.

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    22. Re:oook by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that the government owns 35% of France Telecom, and has made it it's business to ensure fast broadband for everyone and strong investment in the required tech: http://www.bbwo.org.uk/broadband-3053

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    23. Re:oook by mirshafie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, so what about Sweden? With a population density of 19/km^2, you'd think we'd be communicating with smoke signals, no? Of course, the government did make it their business to provide some optical fiber cables, but once the snowball started rolling... well, let's just say the telecom companies are investing in even heavier stuff right now.

      Adam Smith was a hack. An invisible hand will never jerk you off. And whatever good the analogy has done, it is important to realise that there is no law of economics as there is a law of thermodynamics. You can't expect the market to do anything.

    24. Re:oook by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why do we maintain an expensive military if we won't use it to acquire things our country needs? Oil, women, and broadband. Soldiers, go get them and bring them to us.

      Well... we are in two wars over oil so which should we go after next? Women or broadband? ;-)

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    25. Re:oook by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I, once again, assert that while, yes, there may be fewer in number in absolute terms, you are mistaken if you think that there are no Americans living in the crushing poverty you probably only see on World Vision ads. Just because you don't see it on TV doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

      No I must, in the name of intellectual honestly, concede that I have not been to the US before. However, I can't imagine that it is any different to the UK, Australia and other first world nations that I have been to, where I have seen the same kind of poverty I've seen in the third world, only hidden beneath a veneer of flashy cars and cafe lattes. To me, this does not hide it, it only makes it more abhorrent.

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  2. Re:Thats ok... by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The speed might be good on Mars, but the latency to most websites is going to be horrible.

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  3. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by Greg_D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, like shorter work weeks, better insurance coverage, universal health care, more vacation time.

    Really, people, lighten up!

  4. So what? by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Funny

    Porn is better... ...in slow-motion.

  5. Spin This So Action is Taken! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    US Broadband Won't Catch Up With Japan's for 101 Years

    Uh, could you somehow spin (regardless of truth) this as related to war and/or military prowess so our administration will mindlessly throw money at it instead of mindlessly ignoring it?

    Like:

    US Cyber Attacking Infrastructure Embarrassingly Lags Japan's

    Japanese Identify US Broadband as "Ripe for the Pickin'"

    Cyber Pearl Harbor Imminent

    US President's Netflix Downloads 1/10 as Fast as Japanese President's

    US Administration Idles as US-Japanese Broadband Gap Widens

    Come on, these things basically write themselves! Turn it into a dick measuring contest or it's meaningless.

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  6. That's not all by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Japanese are also at least a hundred years ahead of us in cartoon porn, particularly tentacle rape porn. This "tentacle gap", as I call it, cannot be allowed to continue.

    1. Re:That's not all by Spatial · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yup. You guys have got to fill all those holes in your tentacle infrastructure!

  7. Japanese Internet Minister by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    After reading this summary and feeling a sense of outrage rising in my stomach, I felt obliged to call the Japanese Internet Minister and set the story straight once and for all. After many hours of argument regarding relative price structures, exchange rates, and international broadband infrastructure, he assured me that I had a very large penis. He used such words to describe it such as 'gargantuan', 'mammoth', and 'really freakin huge', and that in comparison, his penis was microscopic. I for one applaud the Minister for his honesty. That is all.

  8. Geography by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't take the time to check Google maps, but I'm fairly sure that Japan!=Asia. If you look at all of Asia, I would guess that it has quite a ways to go to catch up to Japan as well.

    1. Re:Geography by kesuki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      not south korea, though.

      why is it countries that have US troops in them have better internet than the mainland USA.

      other than size, that is, i know size makes a huge difference, but fiber optics lines, without being dug up at all, have increased bandwidth year after year for more than a decade now. america has more dark fiber than anyone else, personally my wager is on greed, being the single biggest factor in holding back high speed internet.

  9. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by Target+Practice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or like better beer, a rich regional culture and history, better cuisine, better wine.

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  10. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    God yeah, here I am in London, my boss is pushing me to take another two weeks holiday because I'm not using it up quickly enough. Might have done all my work by Thursday so can have a three day weekend. I'm annoyed that I pay nearly 2% of my gross wage (about average for programming in London) on insurance each year - car, buildings, contents, health, travel of course. Maybe I should buy a less powerful car...

    Or I could work in the US, get like 2 hours holiday a year, get fired for turning up 1 minute late, pay all my money on health insurance.

    Or maybe if you have skills in the US, you can bargain for better deals like 25 days holiday + national days, free healthcare, dental, etc. Maybe the US system encourages people to work hard, whereas laziness is often seen to be rewarded in the UK.

  11. Two words by sckeener · · Score: 2, Funny

    Proxy Servers.....big freakin' proxy servers...

    Heck I bet they'll be owned by Google because instead of just cataloging the internet, Google will be cashing the internet.

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  12. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by Swizec · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a 20/20 fiber connection available to me for cheaper than what I'm currently paying for 1/0.25 ... how lame is that?

  13. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, that goes a long way toward explaining why you can't get Asian-style symmetric 100mbit broadband out in the sticks, but there ARE densely populated cities in the US. I could throw rocks from my apartment and hit 3 AT&T buildings. Why can't (won't) they provide better than 16mbit/512kbit ADSL to subscribers who are literally across the street from their switch? Because they don't have to. We don't have the regulation to make them, and thanks to the high cost of running new copper we will never have the competition to force them to offer more than lackluster speed at high prices. Hooray for deregulation and free markets...

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  14. Re:Thats ok... by Convector · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, simply to plan on living in a hundred years is a fairly ambitious goal.

  15. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by flanksteak · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Japanese do have universal health care, but compared to Americans they don't work fewer hours or get more vacation time. But the public transport sure is better.

  16. Re:Better Comparison. by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 2

    Still, you'd think that we could at least get most of our larger cities wired at comparable speeds to the rest of the civilized world...

  17. Red Herring Comparison by Scudsucker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not the old "but America is rural!" chestnut again. Scandinavian countries have lower population densities than we do yet have much better access. And the "rural" argument might make sense for why you can't get good access on a farm in Kansas, but then why don't we have 100 Mbps consumer connections in San Francisco or Manhattan?

  18. Re:Better Comparison. by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is a GOOD thing that the US is not moronic enough to wire our large, open country to the same extent that a small, island country can.

    And what about your major cities? Does it strike you as odd that the supposed hub of all technology, in California, has shitty internet access?

  19. Future headline on "The Register"... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    With enough statistical mangling, nearly anything can be presented as plausible, but that's not enough to cover up my envy of Asian broadband speed.

    "Asian Pipe Envy"

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  20. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by bestinshow · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even then when you compare with Finland or Sweden, which have a similar population density, the US compares badly. Saying that the US is larger isn't a worthwhile response, the $/potential customer is the same regardless of the scale of the operation. It's just that clearly one single company for the US is far worse than the dozens across Europe, and there isn't real competition or universal service requirements.

    Then again the UK is pretty dire in my opinion, following the US model of cheap crappy DSL and lacking upstream bandwidth, rather than the Swedish model of fast fibre to the home. Virgin Media like to claim they're fibre to the cabinet, but it's still arse-slow on DSL if you're unfortunate to be stuck with them.

  21. Why? by illegalcortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether or not the prediciton is statistically shaky, the fact remains that there is a huge gap between the US and many other, quite dissimilar countries. The big question is "Why?" Japan and Korea aren't the only ones that far outclass American broadband speed, though they do have quite a speed lead.

    Chart of Broadband Speeds by Country

    And sure, in the US you can get FiOS at 30Mbps, but it will cost you $200/month and you have to live in a very limited area. You can get 50Mbps from Comcast only if you live in the Twin Cities (right now), but it's still $150/month.

    I could point to the geography of the US, saying how its a much bigger area than the smaller countries at the top of those charts. Sure, Japan and Korea have an incredible population density. But not Finland, Sweden, France, etc. They have population densities several orders of magnitude smaller than even cities like Houston, Miami, Phoenix, or Chicago. Why aren't these cities more like those countries?

    I could also try it from the angle of regulation/free market/competition. But I'm pretty sure those countries at the top aren't all the same in that regard.

    Is it because our companies tend to each have local monopolies over large areas? That seems less likely considering how just about everyone in a metro area can get cable. So they have two companies, phone and cable, to compete with each other.

    Is there something unique about our infrastructure? Did we make some horrible mistake that seemed like a good idea at the time but is now haunting us?

    Is the US just in a perfect storm of craptitude where all these factors come into play?

    1. Re:Why? by Das+Modell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Chart of Broadband Speeds by Country

      Finland is third? I have 512/512 because that's all I can afford, and I live in a city. 20 mbps sure as fuck isn't the average speed over here.

    2. Re:Why? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, people keep bringing up the "small town" and "urbanisation" excuses for poor US broadband penetration.

      I'm moving to Sweden from Denmark in 3 weeks. Did a bit of checking.

      Here are my options for internet in Sweden where I'll be living:
      Company 1 and 2: 3G modem, 7.2 Mbit/s down, 384kbit/s down - theoretical max. Realistic is 4/256 in that area according to the people who work there. 60$/month
      Company 2 and 3: ADSL, up to 20/2 Mbit/s. 80$/month
      Company 4: Fiber. 100 Mbit/s down, not sure about up, but FAST. Including free calls to landline phones in Sweden: 52$/month

      And every single option is without a usage cap.

      So, obviously I will be moving to a big city, right?

      Wrong.

      I'm moving to Ljusdal. A town of about 8,000 people. The municipality has about 20,000 residents and covers an area of 5,288 km^2 (2,041 miles^2). It's about 300 km north of the capital of Sweden. The biggest city nearby is the main city of the country (Gävle) with about 69,000 residents.

      Not entirely sure, but I suspect that would pretty much put any kind of rural/urbanisation argument to rest. Hell, Sweden is 449,964 km^2 (173,732 miles^2), compared to Texas' 696,241 km^2, so about 2/3rds the size, but only has 9.2 million residents compared to Texas' 23.9 million. And yes, I left out Alaska of the equation. But if we're playing that game, we can always go with the Kingdom of Denmark which includes Greenland and its 830,000 miles^2 ;)

      Personally I suspect it's the fact that four different companies are vying for customers in the same area that makes the big difference.

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    3. Re:Why? by IronChef · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen."

      http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html

  22. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by Telvin_3d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a nice argument, but kind of falls apart when you figure that even places like New York, which has some of the highest population densities in the world, have crap internet. If the free market and unregulated business practices was going to provide good internet at competitive rates it would have already materialized, at least in select markets.

  23. 12Mbps std in 2002, then 18Mbps in 2005... by zooblethorpe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I lived in Japan for three years, and when I got there in 2002, the *basic* package offered by Yahoo! Japan was 12Mbps DSL for an intro rate of ¥2000 a month (about US $20), bumping up to ¥3500 a month later on. By the time I left in 2005, the *basic* package cost the same, but the *lowest* speed available was 18Mbps -- something that still doesn't even *exist* at the consumer level anywhere in the US (that I'm aware of) in 2008.

    The US broadband market is suffocating under the rank hypocrisy and greed of the telcos, and the bald corruption and bribeability of the congress. Somehow the Japanese broadband market has a heck of a lot more internal competition, yet the companies there can still make a profit offering much higher speeds for relatively lower rates.

    Frustratedly,

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  24. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by mweather · · Score: 4, Informative

    Japan's taxes are about the same as ours, and half of Europe and Canada pay less than 10% more than the US does. If that's the downside to working less and having access to healthcare, I'll take it.

  25. Scarcity by Gallenod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The answer to why we don't have faster broadband speeds is simple: scarcity pays.

    It is not in the interests of U.S. telecom providers to roll out high-speed bandwidth all at once. Thus we have a tiered service model, with people paying a little for 1Mb connections and substantially more to get higher speeds, regardless of what the telecom carriers' networks can handle.

    Granted, some of the scarcity may be real and based on telecom companies dragging their feet on upgrading, but even if they could carry 100 times the traffic the can now it still would be in their corporate interest to artificially create a bandwidth scarcity to keep prices high.

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  26. Re:Better Comparison. by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 5, Informative

    Manhattan is a relatively small island with an extremely dense population. Logically, it should be even better than Japan for broadband (since Japan has to run cable to comparatively lightly populated areas like Hokkaido). The fastest affordable broadband here is:

    • DSL: 3 Mbps/768 Mbps (close to that in practice)
    • Cable: 10 Mbps/512 Mbps (less in practice)

    FiOS is apparently available in a small amount of downtown, but not in most of the island, and even that was only introduced within the past year.

    According to the article, average broadband speed in Japan is 63 Mbps down. So in 5-10 years when Verizon finishes wiring Manhattan, we'll be up to consumer speeds *almost* one third that of Japan's *now*.

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  27. First Post!!! by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would have gotten it, but I'm posting from the damn slow U.S Broadband.

  28. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

    the US system encourages people to work hard, whereas laziness is often seen to be rewarded in the UK.

    I am so totally moving to the UK.

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  29. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually according to the International Labour Organization and the Japan Productivity Center for Socio-Economic Development, Americans work on average almost 100 hours more per year than Japanese. Mostly due to the fact that Japanese get 7 more vacation days per year on average.
    Report on Productivity and Vacation

    Go read the numbers before spouting off about things like this.

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  30. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live in Canada, and from talking to a couple Americans, my taxes seem to be right on pay with what they are paying, possibly a little higher. Once I count in all the benefits my government provides me, like free health care, I would probably say I pay less taxes than many Americans. Americans think they have less taxes, but if you really look into it, you'll find that logic flawed. They pay a little less, but get a lot less out of their government.

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  31. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by krull · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live in Boston and can't get anything more than 8 down 768 up from Comcast or 3.0 down (something slow up) DSL. No other options. (No Fios in Boston proper).

    Even if Fios were available I don't think there are any options that will give 63mbps download speeds. And that's the apparently the Japanese average...

    What's the excuse here?

  32. Re:Bu-Bu-But the free market rules! by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're blaming government-granted monopolies on the free market?

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  33. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by chill · · Score: 4, Funny

    You say that, but I'll be you're too lazy to follow through with it.

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  34. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by dAzED1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you know, it could simply be that there isn't a demand for it. Premium services are offered, and mayhaps the ISPs simply don't see an actual demand.

    I know that it might seem like a silly argument that you don't want to deal with, but really...why would 99% of the population care about anything higher than the 16Mps that is already pretty commonly available (with 45Mbps in some areas)? My content is already not waiting on the pipe between me and the provider, it is waiting on my client (at least, when I'm using my old laptop), or the server trying to generate the dynamic page.

    That being said, the convo has been heavy on residential connections...the place I work would love 10x the speed, business rates are just horrible and it would be too expensive. That's a different ball of wax, though.

  35. Re:Baby boomer theory by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ahem... 46 years and counting, just manually compiled and dropped in a new 2.6.26 kernel on my Linux server, now off to smash teenager butt on "World Of Padman".

    Anyway, sonny, your music is rubbish!

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  36. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They pay a little less, but get a lot less out of their government.

    Personally, I'd like to pay even less and get even less from government.

    Canadians also benefit from having very low military spending compared to the size of the territory.

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  37. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by witchman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The lack of fast internet in America is crippling all the business that relies on fast internet speeds. Sorry to burst your bubble but the Internet is actually used for more that just surfing the web. If America is supposed to be moving away from a manufacturing economy and toward a service economy (specifically an information service economy) then we need to have the infrastructure to handle the demands of that economy. Just like when we invested tons of money in the railroad infrastructure in the beginnings of the Industrial revolution and then again on our highway system in the 50â(TM)s for trucking; we need to invest heavily in our Internet infrastructure. If we donâ(TM)t then we will surely fail as an Information Economy. Iâ(TM)ve had direct experience with this as I worked for a Medical ASP and we were constantly crippled by crappy Internet speeds that would not have been an issue in most of Europe and much of Asia. Itâ(TM)s shameful how our economic growth is being hampered by a few very greedy Telco companies.

  38. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by srussia · · Score: 2, Funny

    The word is "gypped." It's a racist slur meant to evoke images of conniving gypsies tricking you out of your treasure.

    In light of TFA, I'd rather be "japped" racial slur or not.

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  39. Now on Hikari Flets (NTT's Fiber/VDSL service) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm on NTT East Japan's Hikari Flets.
    I -really do- get greater than 60Mbps sustained.

    NTT provides the pipe and OCN provides the packets... it's cheaper than Rogers Cable was in canada (1/2 the price) and they throw in phone service (VoIP of course) all for $20/mo.

    At my office we also have NTT East and OCN... it's guaranteed bandwidth and costs me less than $200/mo, can max out it's 100Mbps PPPoE to the Cisco and gives us 8 IPs. If you want gauranteed service in US or Canada it's T1s at $1000's/mo.

    The telcos in Canada and the US are terrified that cheap IP will cost them their business.

  40. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I back up my important documents to amazon S3. While I really am happy with my 5MB down, the 512k up really, really sucks when I need to backup another couple gigs of photo's. Last backup took about 26 hours, and really, really hurt the downloads I was trying to do, since the upload was saturated. I'm soon going to start doing digital home videos.. (planning on having a family with the wife soon) and I can't even comprehend how much time its going to take to upload those files. Increasing the upload speed will change the course of the internet, as people will stop looking at it as a "one way" communication, where you "browse" the web.

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  41. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by steeleye_brad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the meantime, we've got areas with Fios, and 50/50Mbit symmetrical fiber connections to the 'net. So instead of moving to Japan, you can move to Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, or Texas

    Specifically, move to a limited amount of affluent, white suburbs in those states. Don't bother with big cities, either. Yes, there are areas with crazy-fast FiOS service, but Verizon is really only rolling it out in the areas that require less work: rich suburbs. More folks that are willing to pay for the service (and higher-level service), and stringing up fiber to individual homes is a bit simpler than dealing with apartments. Everywhere else they're seriously dragging their feet.

    Lots of nerds praise FiOS and recommend it all the goddamn time, but it really isn't as available as it is often made out to be.

  42. So why is Finland so much better? by zooblethorpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So how come, even in Silicon Valley, I can't get a consumer connection faster than 5Mbps? In 2008? Yet, when I moved to Japan in 2002, the *slowest* most *basic* package I could get (excepting dial-up, which was being phased out) was 12Mbps.

    Fine, we get it, the US is huge. That's no excuse. The simple fact of the matter is that the telcos are much happier to sit there and overcharge for crappy service, as they have no compelling reason to upgrade. If population density and geography alone were the only limiting factors, US residents would still be able to get decent high-speed connections in the urban areas. But they don't exist. I mean, jebus, FINLAND has better download speeds, by a factor of almost 9x (2.4Mbps US vs 21Mbps Finland), despite a population density of about half the US (31/sq km US vs 16/sq km Finland).

    So quit the hyperbole, and look at the basic facts -- we're getting shafted in the name of telco profits.

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  43. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or like better beer, a rich regional culture and history, better cuisine, better wine.

    The United States doesn't have rich regional cultures? I guess you've never been to New York City or New Orleans?

    And the rest of those are purely subjective. Most of the mass market European beers (Heineken comes to mind) are just as crappy as the mass market American beers. Start talking about microbrews though I think you'll find a few American beers that stack up favorably. American wine came of age a long time ago and competes successfully on the world stage. And 'better cuisine'? Cuisine varies so much between regions (even within small countries -- ever traveled across Italy?) that I'm really interested to hear how you define "better".

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  44. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by flanksteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are interesting numbers considering the phenomenon of karoshi, which, AFAIK, is unique to Japan.

    There is also a study about the growth of mental health problems in the workplace and the increased use of prolonged employee leaves.

    So maybe it's not just the hours, but how intense those hours are.

    It would also be interesting to know how the numbers were calculated and if they measure work times based on tools like Blackberry usage and VPNs, two things that "help" me work more hours than just those when I'm in the office. I couldn't find the report gaebler referenced. Quick googling didn't show it and the search function at JPC-SED is broken.

  45. Re:Better Comparison. by pleappleappleap · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean, take it from me. I'm up here in Canada, where the average internet connection is

    Really. I thought that in Canada the average internet connection is not.

  46. Re:Thats ok... by clonan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not at all! We are probably the first generation that has a serious chance of living to a Thousand...

  47. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by lattyware · · Score: 2, Informative

    I live in Boston UK, and I can't get anything more than 2 down, 400 up. And that is dropping out all of the time, and throttled to hell.

    Cry me a river.

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  48. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by lattyware · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And in the UK, where we have a dense poulation, we are doing worse than the US. What's our excuse?

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  49. second helping of Red Herring by Scudsucker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since you ignored it the first time:

    Scandinavian countries have lower population densities than we do yet have much better access. And the "rural" argument might make sense for why you can't get good access on a farm in Kansas, but then why don't we have 100 Mbps consumer connections in San Francisco or Manhattan?

    Your post didn't answer the first point, and ignored the second. Finland has 5.3 million people in 130,000 square miles. Wisconsin has 5.7 million people in 65,000 square miles. So, obviously Finland is gong to have a lot more open areas than Wisconsin, yet it has a median download speed of 21 Mbps, compared to less than 2 Mbps for the United States. I don't have figures for Wisconsin, but what do you think the chances are they will be remotely close to Finland?

    And I have yet to see any apologists offer a reason why you can't get access in densely populated American cities like Manhattan to match what Europe is able to deliver to their people in the sticks.

  50. You have the wrong perspective. by danwesnor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The provider's point of view: 1. Bandwidth is not for the user, it's for us to make "premium content" available to the user. Premium content is anything we can up-charge for. 2. Premium content is compressable. We have not yet reached the limits of compression. Compression may degrade subjective quality, but if we label it HD, the end used will believe us not notice it's worse than SD.* 3. Since our primary goal can be reached through more compression, additional bandwith is not necessary. ----------------- *God should strike down UHD for showing beach volleyball so compressed that swinging ponytails morphed into oozing blobs.

  51. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, good argument. Touche.

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  52. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by KevinIsOwn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, I for one want to move to western Europe so that I can be lazy and get paid a whopping 400 euros per month or so (Germany). I'll be rich! My god, I'll almost be able to afford food along with my cardboard box!

  53. Meh, don't believe everything you read by szquirrel · · Score: 2, Informative

    I lived in rural Japan for 15 months. I'm not talking about way up in the mountains, mind you, maybe about an hour's drive away from Utsunomiya.

    The only broadband option was DSL from Yahoo. It was decently fast and only about $25 a month, but it wasn't light-years ahead or anything. I can drive an hour out from Indianapolis and find equally good service, probably from more than one provider.

    If anything, my connection in Japan was slower because anything I wanted to access was coming over a trans-ocean link. I easily get 2x or 3x speed on most downloads now that I'm back in Indy and I only pay about 2x more. Sounds fair to me.

    Also, my broadband was the only thing in Japan that was cheaper than in the USA.

    So, yeah. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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  54. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think they prefer "Nomadicly swindled"

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  55. Re:Thats ok... by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you think we have a snowball's chance in hell of seeing a thousand then you're being WAY too optimistic about medical advances. Average lifespan of 100 for our gen? Quite possible. 125? Stretching, but maybe. Anything over 150 ain't happening.

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  56. Re:Better Comparison. by Knara · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It depends on who is defining "high speed".

    Youtube is basically unusable over the speeds that the FCC defines as broadband, for example.

  57. Re:Better Comparison. by Knara · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, take it from me. I'm up here in Canada, where the average internet connection is

    ... apparently inconsistent ;)

  58. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by mrjb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cuisine varies so much between regions that I'm really interested to hear how you define "better".

    The grandparent poster probably made a judgement based on reputation of the country. In Europe, Belgium has some fabulous beers. France has a huge reputation in wines. When talking about European cuisine, what comes to mind are the italian pastas, French haute cuisine, Swedish smoked salmon, Spanish tapas, and wonderful cheese from all over. Every European country has their specialties, and the differences between those specialties are like day and night.

    The average non-American is familiar with exactly two brands of American beer: Budweiser (which sounds very, very German) and Duff. The Californians are known for their wines (and they're good value for money) but we don't see an awful lot of Californian wine over a decade old on the shelves here (whereas I'm sure the opposite is true). As for American cuisine, the most well-known dishes to the outside world are hamburgers, pizza, hot dogs, KFC and Thanksgiving turkey. The burgers, hot dogs and pizza (and the fries with that) aren't even American by origin.

    Obviously, this is not the entire picture, and I'm sure that actual US cuisine is a lot more varied than the picture I just painted. But I can see why the grandparent poster thinks Europe has better food and drink.

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  59. Re:Bu-Bu-But the free market rules! by Scudsucker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You're blaming government-granted monopolies on the free market?

    ...and you can always count on Republican Dogma to be backed up with misdirection and red herrings.

    Government doesn't create utility monopolies, The Last Mile does. It isn't realistic to expect two or more companies to make massive investments in infrastructure if only 1 line can be used at a time, so agreements are made with local governments so one company can serve all the customers in an area, yet have to put up with some regulation in order to prevent abuse of a captive audience.

    And yes, internet access speeds have been entirely left to the free market in the U.S. You may have only one cable line and one phone line to your house, but the competition between the two has left us with an anemic average download speed of 1.97 Mpbs, compared to Finland (21) or Japan (63!).

    The one decision that really saddled us with crappy access was the FCC ruling that internet access was an information service rather than a telecommunication service - so telecos no longer had to lease their lines at wholesale prices to competitors.

  60. Re:Japan is a lot smaller than the U.S. by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a 20/20 fiber connection available to me for cheaper than what I'm currently paying for 1/0.25 ... how lame is that?

    You have a far faster connection available to you but you continue to pay higher prices for vastly inferior bandwidth? That is incredibly lame -- switch already!
     

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  61. Dr. Strangelove by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mr. President, we must not allow a broadband gap!

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  62. Re:Thats ok... by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nah, we'll have the ansible by then...and alien bugs to contend with =/

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  63. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by Kjella · · Score: 2

    And 'better cuisine'? Cuisine varies so much between regions (even within small countries -- ever traveled across Italy?) that I'm really interested to hear how you define "better".

    If you ask most people what cuisine America is most famous for, the answer will probably be "fast food" or "junk food" (actual answers may also include supersize me-burgers, american pizza, fried chicken and so on). France isn't all about cheese and wine, Germany beer and sausages, Italy pizza, Japan sushi and so on but in the game of cuisine stereotypes America is pretty much bottom of the barrel. You can find good food everywhere, good local cafes and restaurants are in every city but the question is what's common and abundant. And from my slim anecdotal experience the US reputation is not entirely undeserved...

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  64. Re:Euro/Japan envy is getting stupid by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The average non-American is familiar with exactly two brands of American beer: Budweiser (which sounds very, very German) and Duff

    Eh, then familiarize yourself with more before you make a blanket statement that all American beer sucks. I wouldn't presume to think that all European beer sucks just because Heineken tastes like skunky piss water.

    but we don't see an awful lot of Californian wine over a decade old on the shelves here

    Well, for starters California doesn't have a monopoly on American wine. Most American states produce small amounts of wine and at least three of them (New York, Oregon and Washington) have well developed wine industries that compete favorably with anything that comes out of California.

    Besides that, I've been to Europe. Most of the liquor stores that I visited had a rather depressing selection of American wine. I actually saw a bottle of Sutter Homes white zin in Florence that was going for around 40 Euros. Here in the states that would sell for $4-$5 a bottle and would be considered the budweiser of the wine world. It made me wonder if all the European wines that I see on my liquor store shelves also represent the bottom of the barrel ;)

    The burgers, hot dogs and pizza (and the fries with that) aren't even American by origin.

    America is a nation of immigrants from different cultures and countries. Each of them have brought a unique piece of their own culture to this country. Eventually those different cultures assimilate into something that's uniquely American. Hamburgers and hot dogs weren't invented here but does anybody really think of them as German any longer?

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  65. A theory .... by DaMattster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Basically Japan is ahead because telecom companies are too busy squabbling over net neutrality and locking its customers into spartan agreements. US Telecom companies have very little incentive to innovate because they are all members of virtual cartel where there is no need to spend money to improve technology because they control the marketplace. You've only got a select few number of companies that you can use and, for all intents and purposes, they are one and the same. The only possible exception is Verizon FiOS. But, when compared to Japan, Verizon FiOS doesn't really stand a chance. In summary, the telecom cartel is really holding us technologically back.

  66. nah by thermian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No budget is in irretrievable deficit when you have missiles large enough to level any bank that tries to get back what you owe them :)

    You can always find statistics to make one country look bad. This happens to the US far too often.

    There's one fairly simple measure of a country's success, and that's how willing its occupants are to leave if they get the chance. You could offer free emigration to all US citizens, and I bet hardly any would take up the offer.

    Sure it has problems, and to be honest, for the country that 'invented' the internet, your connection speed is a joke, seriously.
    On the other hand, and American can get in a car and drive thousands of miles without crossing national borders or having their right to travel questioned.

    That's a pretty big thing in my opinion, something to be proud of in fact.

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  67. Re:Better Comparison. by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    High speed broadband counts as "basic" anymore? What a society we live in.

    The key difference between network connectivity and electricity or telephones is that you're not used to having decent internet connectivity yet. I see your comment as being basically the same as having said that electricity was an unnecessary luxury back in the 1930's.

    We don't really need high quality VoIP telephony, and we didn't really need electric lights because kerosene lamps worked fine. We don't really need video conferencing and real-time video presentations, and we didn't really need refrigerators because iceboxes worked fine.

    Infrastructure advances like electricity or high speed internet don't result in revolutionary changes overnight. First they make existing tasks much more efficient - which makes the economy much more productive overall. Only much later do they allow for revolutionary breakthroughs (e.g. electricity allowed for modern computers).

    The key thing here isn't that VoIP telephones are going to make everyone a millionaire tomorrow. It's that in 30 years when Asia and Europe have modern infrastructure and all the benefits thereof and the USA doesn't the USA will be a backwards country of poor people who can't compete in the modern economy. If we want to avoid that, Manhattan better keep up with Tokyo and Boston better keep up with Helsinki. Right now we're about a decade behind.

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  68. Re:What would we do with all that bandwidth?!?! by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I run a subversion server at home for various uses, including international projects. As soon as I can be bothered, I'll also set it up to stream my music to me wherever I am. It's currently hosting my pictures for sharing with people. Are you saying I don't need good bandwidth at home for that?

    And, for the record, I'm also in IT, though not for decades, and let me tell you, if you've ever gone to a partner company's office to download the VPN client to their computers only to find that they're on some 512Kbps DSL line shared with eight people, you'll understand the need for faster connections. (I do realize you conceded that businesses might need faster connections.)

    Imagine a hypothetical home with five children and two computers in the home office. Three kids have their own computers. There's a Wii in the basement and a PS2 and/or PS3 upstairs (the kids like Final Fantasy XI online).

    So you've got three kids upstairs watching youtube and/or pirating stuff (they think Dad doesn't know, I'm sure), or downloading music on iTunes, or watching TV on Netflix, or playing games, two kids on the two consoles, Dad is in the office playing Counter-Strike: Source, and Mom is watching re-broadcasts of Oprah online.

    18Mbps can run out pretty quick.

  69. Bad research? by trimCoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    US data is taken from speedmatters at 2.3Mbps

    International data taken from theInformation Technology and
    Innovation Foundation at http://www.itif.org/files/2008BBRankings.pdf

    This report shows US at 4.9Mbps

    A significant difference in findings between the two. Ill let you draw the conclusions