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Rat-Brained Robots Take Their First Steps
missb writes "Brain tissue cultured from rats has controlled a wheeled robot around a lab, according to New Scientist this week. Researchers in the UK have harnessed signals from thousands of disembodied rat neurons, and manipulated them to get a robot to respond to instructions. The team at the University of Reading in the UK hope their research will help provide treatments for diseases like Alzheimer's and epilepsy."
I for one welcome our new Rat-Brained Robot overlords!
What was the lead researcher's name? Davros?
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
Curious minds want to know.
"The team at the University of Reading in the UK hope their research will help provide treatments for diseases like Alzheimer's and epilepsy."
That outcome is very much exaggerated, apparently to try to get more attention. Any such result would depend on other huge advancements not yet made.
We have had these running around here for years. We just called them MBA's.
Surely a rat brain would be an improvement over the standard politician's brain.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
Suddenly, I just can't stop screaming.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Am I the only one who fails to see how these rodent zombie robots have anything to do with Alzheimer's?
Obviously, you get more funding if you include a hot research topic in the project description.
What? Is he serious, making a statement like that? Does he think grants grow on trees, that he can so blithely disregard the opportunity for sensationalistic coverage and the resultant exposure to those who issue private grants? Sure, Alzheimer's is mentioned, which is a nice hook, but he needs to make ridiculous claims in order to break through the wall of grant-deniers.
Sheesh. What is the academic world coming to, that they make responsible statements regarding their research?
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
Actually GP is correct ... he is referring to People for the Insensitive Treatment of Animals.
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
What exactly would robots with rat brains want to do, since they can't do any of their natural biological functions?
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Will these rat things be programmed never to break the sound barrier in a populated area?
Hugely inflated claims? From Captain Cyborg? To generate press attention?
Film, as they say, at eleven.
Perhaps you could try RTFAing, then applying some logical thought.
They're studying how disassociated nerons make new connections and can be trained to reliably respond to stimuli, and how that response can be used to create predictable behavior.
Now go ahead STFW for the pathophysiology of Alzheimers, and it's pretty easy to see how this could be useful in understanding Alzheimers, and perhaps in (eventually, with a lot of steps inbetween) help either prevent it, delay its onset, or reverse it.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
That's nothing compared to the robot-brained rats I've been working on!
"Rat-Brained Robots" would make a good name for a punk band.
Proverbs 21:19
Am I the only one who fails to see how these rodent zombie robots have anything to do with Alzheimer's?
Well I assume it's because having a zombie rat robot come at you is something not even an Alzheimer's sufferer would forget.
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Conquer the world, of course. This was the first conclusion I came to.
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What are we going to do tomorrow night?
The same thing we do every night, TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
What's the value of information that you don't know?
The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world.
A random bag of paper clips would do the same.
Call me back when they have decision making.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Off in the distance: "Brains, braaiinnss..."
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Article says 300,000, a bit more than the average fruit fly
You can do a lot with quite few neurons, too. You don't really need to 'parse' the input, just simple fuzzy logic, something like "if we're close to a wall in one direction, swing to the other." Using even 3,000 neurons to do what you could do by hardwiring a couple of resistors from the prox. sensors to the wheel engines would be a criminal waste.
Ever played Bug Brain, BTW? Wicked fun!
In a fair world, refrigerators would make electricity.
NARF!
I found this article... then checked Slashdot.
Where have all the intelligent slashdotters gone? Let's all STOP trying to come up with the funniest one-liner and talk about the subject at hand here.
They have taken brain cells and taught them to control a robot. This is simply freakin' astounding!
What else has been done related to this such as MEMS? Anyone?
programming myself into obsolescence
Well, the robot in this case performs two functions: one is to provide the stimuli, one is to measure the response. It's a machine capable of locomotion.
The reason for the bluetooth is because the braincell broth needs to be maintained at a certain temperature and kept stable, and wireless is probably the best way to make sure the robot doesn't damage the brain cells or upset their alignment, say by jerking on an electrode tether.
I see your point, it does seem awfully gimmicky... but the nice thing about it is that it is modular. Their "sensory" system can be swapped out easily for additonal experiments.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
What if the damned thing exhibits delta waves at some point?
I was also thinking along those lines. Since this research uses fetal brain tissue, the animal (or potentially human) brain cells can't really remember being anything else, but it's still pretty eerie trying to imagine what the experience would be like if there were enough cells (however many that is) for consciousness.
I think there are some amazing potential applications for this type of research, but I also have a feeling that eventually someone is going to create an experimental cyborg like this and realize that it's trying to howl in terror and/or commit suicide.
"...always new atoms but always doing the same dance, remembering what the dance was yesterday." -Richard Feynman
I for one, congratulate the RIAA for taking their first steps.
I suggest you check out SNOW CRASH by Neal Stephenson.
Fido is a good puppy and a pit bull terrier known as a "Rat Thing" by others. He's a biologically-brained robotic guard dog that does bad things to bad people, as he should.
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FTA (unabridged):
This work will hopefully contribute to our knowledge of how brains work, but its potential should not be wasted on that, says Potter. "This system is a model. Everything it does is merely similar to what goes on in the brain, it's not really the same thing. We can learn about the boring brain - but when we make sentient Monster Trucks, that will truly be badass." He then pumped his fist 3 times and held up the sign of the goat for a few seconds before returning to a screaming guitar solo.
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just as we cast off our own faith in our gods, cursing them and labeling them as myths, our own creations, built in our own image, will inevitably do the same. The only question is this: will our robots succeed in destroying us, or will we succeed in destroying them?
I don't know if it is a question of destruction or of domination. Will we create a race of AI robots for the sole purpose of enslaving them? If we have the relationship with our robots of Creator/Creation will that make us slave owners once AI achieves sentience? Look at robotic factories, the work long hours for no pay and are modified or replaced or sold at the whim of their owner, if you did that with a person they would be a slave. Of course they are machines not people so it is just a factory not slavery. But if those robots where sentient would it change the moral argument. If that argument concludes that it would in fact be slavery, is there any reason to build AI robots if we cannot treat them as slaves? I don't want to have to allow my Roomba the freedom to go work for someone else, or the right to be paid for it's work.
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Nothing, because rats do not like cheese.
A real stainless steel rat?
"What is wrong is Slashdot carrying a lot of stories about fake science that happens to want investors.
This site is about the comments. The articles feed the debates, sometimes science is seen as crap and sometimes it's the other way around. I know of no other place where after the initial mod frenzy settles can you find such an array of both proffesional and amature experts commenting on the internet equivalent of the "science" section in a global newsagent. All other science orientated boards I know of are either special interest or have crappy moderation/threading systems.
Your sig talks about the importance of knowing the meaning of science and you mention fake science in you post. I can think of no better tool for quickly determing the difference than to have the issue posted on slashdot and subsequently fiercly debated over the next 24hrs by hundreds of geeks and moderated/read by hundreds of thousands more geeks many of them who indeed know the meaning of science, law, economics, maths, philosphy, etc.
If all you do on slashdot is post your opinion or RTFA then you are missing the point, wether by design or accident it serves the role of skeptic to your own assumptions about what appears in the press. Outright lies, voodoo and sock-puppets are pounced apon, for the rest of the articles the moderated version is rarely clear cut, sometimes biased, always informative, and often humorous.
In otherwords if you cannot understand that a story about rat brained robots was just made for slashdot then I think it's time to hand in your geek card.
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