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Apple's IPhone 3G Firmware Update Bombs

JagsLive writes "After lots of complaints about iPhone 3G connection issues, Apple released a firmware update Monday with hopes it would fix the issues. But early reports suggest it didn't work as planned. Complaints have included dropped calls, abrupt network switches, poor reception, and service interruptions. Apple declined to offer details about its iPhone 2.0.1 update, other than saying it included 'bug fixes.' However, comments in Apple's support forum say plenty about the latest attempt to rectify poor user experiences. In fact, the update seems to be causing new issues, apparently interfering with the GPS function, among others."

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  1. Obligatory... by initdeep · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Just Works" post.....

    Interestingly, I find it fairly insightful to see how the great unwashed masses are complaining about this, yet, for the most part, Apple is getting a "free pass" from pundit's, media, and most of the public because of past marketing.

    What would the reaction have been if this was some other company?

    Just a though that rattles around in my brain.

    1. Re:Obligatory... by ByOhTek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, if it were MS, there would be a 'defectivebydesign' tag already

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    2. Re:Obligatory... by Doddman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The reason this one is getting so much press is Apple's "It Just Works" campaign. They're saying it just works, and when it turns out to not "just work", it's a pretty big issue.

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    3. Re:Obligatory... by snl2587 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's pretty sad that the 3G iPhone is running into problems. Especially since it has such high visibility due to everyone wanting one.

      But the real kicker is that this is Apple's own hardware. I can understand when Microsoft's updates fail (at least to some extent) because of the multitude of different machines trying to run the software. But Apple owns the specs and built the machines. To me, failed software updates from them are inexcusable, but likely the fault of the bean-counters with MBA's (I like that expression for some reason, but I can't remember who to attribute it to) pushing out the update too fast.

      Based on other comments, I get the impression that this news is a little outdated, and I know that anti-Apple statements are a sure-fire way to get modded down. But please: consider all the factors of Apple products, especially if Apple insists on preventing other companies from writing OSes for their devices.

    4. Re:Obligatory... by Goaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple is getting a "free pass" from pundit's, media, and most of the public because of past marketing.

      It's always "marketing", isn't it? It certainly isn't that people buy their products and honestly like them.

    5. Re:Obligatory... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, I don't have an iPhone nor do I plan on getting one. And while I use a MacBook Pro at home I'm not a zealot... I've had tech issues with my Apple products.

      Apple isn't perfect. They have the occasional hardware issue with their rev A systems and a poor OS update here and there. As a whole their systems are usually pretty darn stable, but they still get major issues.

      Heck, I was suffering with a known keyboard issue on my MacBook Pro for a year before they fixed it. A year.

      But in their defense, they're still somewhat new to the Cellphone arena. Sure, this is their second phone and some of the insides are similar to the iPod touch, but they're still new. It's like if a Car designer was asked to design and build a great riding lawn mower. They'd make one, but their first 2 models might have issues.

      Meanwhile, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, etc have been pumping out Cellphones for a while and have gone through their growing pains. They know what to avoid when designing hardware and what to do when sending out a software update. And yet with all of this neither they are perfect.

      I've had issues with cellphones from other companies, and know some people that experience MAJOR issues with other cellphones. It happens.

      Here's hoping that third time's a charm.

    6. Re:Obligatory... by saintm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't get the mainstream press interested in a new phone being released, but they were all out for the iPhone.

      Live by the sword and all that.

    7. Re:Obligatory... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must have missed all the "Google is now evil" stories floating around.

      Anyway, IJW isn't an ideal as you put it. According to Apple it's practically the primary reason to buy their hardware. Why buy a Mac if not because of IJW? Are they really going to change their ad campaigns to "It just has prettier icons"? I think not.

      If you attack your competition with arrogant adverts that personify them as unattractive, old fashioned people that don't work, and then sell stuff that doesn't work, people are going to notice. That's life.

    8. Re:Obligatory... by gehrehmee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't defective by design imply a DRM story? I didn't see any indication that the 3g connectivity problems had anything to do with DRM...

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    9. Re:Obligatory... by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Toyota. Relabeled for the Starbucks and Monster cable crowd.

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  2. never buy 1st gen apple hardware by sam_paris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been stung before by buying new apple hardware immediately (core duo macbook pro).

    Right now, i'm feeling pretty damn happy I decided to wait on the iphone 3g. I do have an iphone and it works perfectly. I think i'll wait for a few more months before I upgrade to the 3g :)

    1. Re:never buy 1st gen apple hardware by toleraen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you were stung before by purchasing brand new apple hardware, so you took your lesson learned, went out and purchased another 1st gen apple product?

  3. Re:Oh, come on by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because Apple gets a premium for its product based on the style and the "just works" philosophy. Nearly everyone will agree that apple products do not have the breadth of features or the extent of customization of many other products in their respective niche. Their market success has been based on the basic feature set being nearly bulletproof - a claim that many others cannot make. This is exactly the thing Apple users have come to forget happens with mediocre CE.

    It also means that someone wasn't minding the store when it went out, and it can mean a serious problem with their growth process. Steve can't be around to hold their hand forever.

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  4. Re:Oh, come on by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are bug reports on the iPhone always blown way the hell out of proportion?

    My twenty dollar Nokia doesn't drop calls, nor have service interruptions, or any of the other problems the iPhone has.

    A six hundred dollar telephone ought to work. Period. There is no such thing as "blowing it out of proportion."

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  5. Re:Oh, come on by value_added · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why are bug reports on the iPhone always blown way the hell out of proportion?

    Maybe it's because some are insisting that a phone should be able to make phone calls, while other are using a metric based on "user experience"?

  6. Re:Oh, come on by sqlrob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's what else is on the market. It is a perfectly fair comparison, the iPhone doesn't live in a vacuum.

  7. Re:Tough to fix hardware issue with firmware patch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's fortunate that there's a 30 day return policy. I returned my iPhone 3G at 29 days and went back to Verizon and got a Blackerry Curve. Though the Blackberry doesn't have as nice of an interface, it's much more stable. In the argument of stability vs usablity, stability wins. I had a friend who also returned his. I'm not sure how many more will return theirs, but I don't feel like taking chances with my $200.

  8. Re:2.0.1? by daveywest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    just ignore my above comment, I realized I wasn't on the front page, just looking at the apple page, and making myself look like an idiot.

  9. Re:Tough to fix hardware issue with firmware patch by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would they? There are countless iPhones that do work correctly, and it seems most of the issues are a software problem. I would expect if the problems were consistant across all the iPhones they can fix the problem quicker. However I suspect it is one of those conditions that A then B then C need to meet and the cell towers need to aligned right for the problem to occur. Making it difficult to track down. So except for fixing the problem like an engineer where they can duplicate the problem then apply the fix and know it will work they will need to work more like doctors. Using their knowledge of the system and think of what possible could cause this (not an easy task as when they developed it they tried to think of all situations already) then apply a patch in hope it may fix it, with hit or miss results. Returning all the iPhones will not do any good as it reduces the number of people who report the problem and may finally get the clue on what is the problem.

    Yes you paid to be a Beta Tester it kinda sucks at least if they fix the problems you will have a nice phone.

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  10. Then Turn Off Apple Stories. by illegalcortex · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Click "Help & Preferences" (top of the screen).
    2. Click Sections (under Index).
    3. Under All Sections, find Apple.
    4. Click the radio button for the "no" sign (an "O" with a slash through it).
    5. Click Save.
    6. Reload Slashdot main page.
    7. Stop complaining.
  11. The Plural of Anecdote is Not Data by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...however, since everyone is offering anecdotal "evidence", I'll point out that we have two 3G iPhones in our home, and neither have had 3G issues. A few applications crash on startup, but most of my apps run just fine, before and after the 2.0.2 update.

    My biggest gripe is -- Apple has neither stated there is a known 3G connectivity problem, nor did they state the 2.0.2 patch contains a 'fix' for any such problems. So ask yourself, how have these people writing articles about it able to claim such a thing? The answer is, the same reason everyone thinks there's a widespread problem with 3G... hear-say.

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  12. Re:"it just works my ass" by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't used a Macs enough to complain about them, but I've been using an iPhone for a few weeks now. I'm not going to say the device is crap, it's not, but I definitely would not call the UI a gold standard. I'm still trying to figure out who's nephew they hired to make the decision that you should need to plug the phone into an entire computer to get audio onto this wifi device. I mean really. They shipped a wifi enabled, web surfing music player that cannot download PODCASTS from the internet. I do find it funny though that when Apple implemented a UI element that has been in Lotus Notes from the beginning, the UI element magically went from being the worst thing ever to being a gold standard.

  13. Re:Tough to fix hardware issue with firmware patch by idobi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean the people quoting the idiot financial analyst who is trying to manipulate the stock? The same financial analyst that also claimed the first iPhone would have to be recalled because the touchscreen was defective? It's interesting that every article claiming a hardware problem goes back to the same source.

  14. Re:"it just works my ass" by 7Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I do agree that WiFi transfer would be nice, I would hardly call that a UI problem. That's more like a missing feature than a UI problem or inconsitancy. I've never used Lotus Notes, so I have no idea what UI element you are refering to with the last statement.

    What I don't understand is, where is the BLUETOOTH transfer? Isn't this what Bluetooth was DESIGNED to do, is to sync hardware devices by simply being in proximity? My Mac Pro has Bluetooth, my iPhone has Bluetooth, so where's my auto-sync?

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