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Behind the Doors of the Free Software Foundation

Linux.com has an interesting look at the inner workings of the Free Software Foundation (FSF). "The purpose of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is probably obvious from its name -- but what does promoting free software mean in terms of everyday activity? Examining the roles of the organization shows how complex the FSF's advocacy role has become. It also reveals the range of services available to the free software community, and helps to explain how such a small group has had such a major influence on computer technology. As a 501(c)3 charity in the United States, the FSF is run by a board of directors. The current board includes FSF founder and president Richard M. Stallman and long-term member Henry Poole, but, in the last few years, new faces have appeared on the board."

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  1. Thanks! by just_another_sean · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a user of Free Software for about 10 years now I would just like to say that I really appreciate the efforts of the FSF. No matter how much RMS is bashed and doubted he sticks to his ethics and invariably the projections he makes seem to come true to at least some extent.

    Long live the FSF.

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    1. Re:Thanks! by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a user of Free Software for about 10 years now I would just like to say that I really appreciate the efforts of the FSF. No matter how much RMS is bashed and doubted he sticks to his ethics and invariably the projections he makes seem to come true to at least some extent.

      Long live the FSF.

      I disagree with many of RMS's positions, but he has been vital to the open source cause. Sometimes we need extremists, and he is a good one. :)

    2. Re:Thanks! by kingduct · · Score: 2, Funny

      "As a user of Free Software for about 10 years now I would just like to say that I really appreciate the efforts of the FSF. No matter how much RMS is bashed and doubted he sticks to his ethics and invariably the projections he makes seem to come true to at least some extent."

      Ditto!
      Thanks

    3. Re:Thanks! by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We need extremists to start. You need middle of the road people to keep it going. When the extremist stay there to long there is a point where their extreme views move from being progressive to oppressive. As using Free Software for over a decade myself. I feel RMS is starting to make Open Source more oppressive then progressive.

      We should honor people for what they did but we shouldn't keep them there for ever in a changing world. That would be like saying George Washington would make a good president for 2008.

      The same with other movements. Once they acheave some key goals they really should step aside while the moderates work for the smaller detail goals.

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    4. Re:Thanks! by cparker15 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To those not aware, the FSF Associate Membership program (referral link) is more of a supporter appreciation program. As such, Associate Members do not speak on behalf of the Free Software Foundation. Only FSF staff are authorized to make statements on behalf of the FSF.

      Of course, I am an Associate Member (#795), so what I just said above is solely my opinion and not the official position of the Free Software Foundation.

      Err... Or something.. like that. :)

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    5. Re:Thanks! by ypctx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You opened my eyes, thank you. I'm going to purchase a non-crap OS (I will pay extra for the Ultimate version that allows me to do everything), where I can choose between playing a mp3 or downloading a file, because it can't do both reliably at the same time.
      You sir should understand one thing - by using closed source OS software, you are fucking owned by whoever creates that software, and dependent completely on their mercy. Now go install your genuine 20 GB service packs while listening to the beautiful sounds of rin tin tin tin NTFS raping your harddrive.

    6. Re:Thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Stallman's cause is NOT open source. It is free software. Open Source is about a development methodology, Fre Software is about freedom.

      "Giving the Linus Torvalds Award to the Free Software Foundation is sort of like giving the Han Solo Award to the Rebel Fleet."

      RMS

    7. Re:Thanks! by TehZorroness · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Open source" (the term) doesn't convey the freedom you get as a result. It is very easy to release a program as source yet have it be every bit as restrictive as your typical windows software. In a less extreme way, the ideals of free software do tend to get lost when you start calling it open source after a while (ok, here's the source, but you cannot make commercial use). RMS doesn't advocate passing the source around, he advocates passing the freedom around. That is what's important. That's why he insists on the use of the term "free software." That is why the Free Software Foundation is not the Open Source Software Foundation.

    8. Re:Thanks! by topnob · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think he was meaning that by using some of their software you might be locked in, ie if you ever want to open your files again you need their software.

    9. Re:Thanks! by TehZorroness · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The GPL3 doesn't prevent implementing DRM. It prevents using DRM to lock down a GPL3 program in a way it cannot be modified and/or distributed. You can, for example, implement a DVD player and license it under the GPL3. You can not take a GPL program and include it in a operating system or device that will only run that one unmodified copy. (technically, the DMCA prevents you from implementing other people's DRM, but that is not the GPL's fault.)

  2. Stallman pushed to the sidelines by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For Stallman fans, it's a real shame to see him somewhat marginalized in his own community. If you know something of his life story (e.g. from Free as in Freedom ), he's passionate about coding. Yet, the growth of the FSF distracted him from software development, and now great projects like Emacs have to move ahead without him. But now, the FSF is going off into directions this bearded old guru didn't have to think about when he launched his campaign, and here he must rely on others to take charge. Oh well, at least once in a while he gives us a successful trip to India to rejoice about.

    1. Re:Stallman pushed to the sidelines by just_another_sean · · Score: 4, Informative

      While I believe it would be great for people to contribute to Free Software by buying a copy of Free as in Freedom from Amazon I would like to also point out (in a spirit that I hope RMS will appreciate) that you can read it online for free as well here.

      As far as I'm concerned, pay or not, the more people that read it the better.

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    2. Re:Stallman pushed to the sidelines by Yetihehe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... and now tremendous projects like Emacs have to move ahead without him.Fixed that for you... Still, kudos for RMS, he made much for free software.

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    3. Re:Stallman pushed to the sidelines by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

      The book was typeset using proprietary closed source software.

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    4. Re:Stallman pushed to the sidelines by smclean · · Score: 4, Informative

      So you are arguing that reproducing is on par, talent-wise, with writing Emacs?

      If that were true, we'd have a lot more text editors to choose from.

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    5. Re:Stallman pushed to the sidelines by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      Those that can, fuck. Those that can't, write a text editor.

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    6. Re:Stallman pushed to the sidelines by TehZorroness · · Score: 2, Funny

      How many test editors have you written?

  3. Importance of FSF by nobodylocalhost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is hard to grasp the importance of FSF, because one cannot see it until it is taken away. Free software is a good way to improve society as a whole just like the concept of a wheel, People use those free software all the time just like how wheels are incorporated in most of our technologies. Can anyone imagine what are the ramifications of a tightly controlled licensing scheme on wheel technology based fully on economics?

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  4. FSF has doors? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's not really "open" if you ask me.

    1. Re:FSF has doors? by dvh.tosomja · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's "open" even with doors, unless it has windows.

  5. Behind the DOORS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you sure the FSF has DOORS?

    I'd imagined the FSF as a sort of a Tepee or maybe a Mongolian Yurt, with maybe a flap or something.

    Never anything as solid and 'non-open' as a door.

    1. Re:Behind the DOORS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tepee sounds about right. No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside...

  6. Live Free Or Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes I know, that's a Unix saying.
    Since I was old enough to comprehend building computers, I have been running Linux. Having open source has directly affected my life. Thanks FSF and the OSS community for giving me interest, and the biggest part, being able to have development tools and code that I can learn with and from. With most commercial products costing ALOT of money, Open Source gave me the ability to have corporate sized products, for no cost. And Microsoft fans out there I think realize this too. Anyone in the computer world at some point recognizes what FSF and the bunch has done to the technology based world.

    oh shit, is this post about Steve Ballmer? shit, I'll delete all my bootleg M$ software, I PROMISE!!

  7. Marginalized?!? by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These days, Stallman spends much of his time traveling to promote free software. However, contrary to what outsiders might expect, as president, he remains closely involved with FSF policy, asking frequently for status reports and making policy decisions that do not require other members of the board.

    Moreover, Brown says, "Richard can be very hands-on in relation to a specific target that he needs to be speaking about."

    You call that marginalized?

  8. Interesting comment below the article: by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice way to gloss over the fact that the FSF has essentially failed to grasp the point that the only way free software will be perceived as a valid replacement for proprietary software is if it is a 1:1 replacement. gNewSense's latest release should prove that FOSS developer's time would be better spent at improving their software rather than wasting their time with the FSF. Especially considering that the FSF is run in a non-democratic manner.

    Thankfully other organizations exist that realize this and don't attempt to have us all waste time as the defective by design campaign does.

    While I don't agree with this comment in all aspects, I do believe an important part of promoting free software is to give incentives to free software coders, especially those in charge of replacing popular proprietary products that still don't have a free-software equivalent.

  9. Free as in... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The purpose of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is probably obvious from its name -- but what does promoting free software mean in terms of everyday activity?

    I think they have something to do with free beer or speech.
    Free something. I can't remember. It's Friday and I've been drinking.

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    1. Re:Free as in... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny
      The line 'free as in speech, not free as in beer' always struck me as some very poor marketing, for two reasons:
      1. Lots of people will argue against free speech in certain cases (e.g. slander and libel), but very few people would argue against free beer.
      2. After a few pints of free beer, free (although possibly slightly slurred) speech is pretty much guaranteed.
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  10. Miguel de Icaza used to be on FSF Board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But he was kicked off the board due to mono releasing its class libraries under the MIT/X11 license instead of LGPL. You would have thought that MIT/X11 would be freer than the LGPL. MIT/X11 is like the BSD no advertising clause license.

  11. Steve.....Steve.... by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 5, Funny
    Steve...Steve...Steve...Steve...calm down, please. Put that chair down. Ok? It's a nice rainy day here, it's a beautiful campus, and we're THE rulers of the World. No problemo.

    I know, I know, Stallman has the "moral high ground", a full head of hair, and everything, but what does it matter? You're filthy rich and he's a peasant selling GNU toys and t-shirts on the internet.

    It's OK. Shhhh, sshhhh, it's OK...sh......

    Lullaby, Lullaby, Lullaby,...shhh...

  12. Not this old debate again. by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Free means different things to different people. The GPL provides more freedom to users by requiring coders to give back to the community. The MIT/X11/BSD style license provides more freedom to coders, because they don't have to give back to the community.

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    1. Re:Not this old debate again. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Free means different things to different people. The GPL provides more freedom to users by requiring coders to give back to the community. The MIT/X11/BSD style license provides more freedom to coders, because they don't have to give back to the community.

      A perfect example for this is when the Cedega project promised to give back to the community their advances with DirectX under WINE. Fortunately (for them), WINE was licensed under the X11 license. Guess what happened? Nothing, that's what happened! Thanks to that, DirectX work under WINE froze for several years, leaving users pissed off and having to purchase Cedega for something they were supposed to enjoy for free in the first place.

      And for this reason, I'm glad that Stallman kicked Miguel out of the FSF Board.

    2. Re:Not this old debate again. by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't that more of a "dishonest asshole" or "naive fool" issue than a licensing issue? You also can't just say that with GPL, wine would obviously have gotten all of the cedega work, you also have to account for the (probably very hard to quantify) possibility that cedega wouldn't have existed at all...

    3. Re:Not this old debate again. by TheSunborn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And let's just look at the alternative here.

      If Cedega gave all the code back to wine, then wine would be as good as Cedega, and nobody would buy Cedega. Cedega would thus close down which would
      leaving DirectX work under WINE frozen for several years.

      I fail to se how that is a better solution.

    4. Re:Not this old debate again. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because people said "why work on DirectX? The Cedega guys promised they'd give us the code". Remember that Cedega weren't the ONLY people who knew how to implement DirectX under wine, but they cheated on WINE so that NOBODY worked on it and they'd be ahead of WINE.

      Only after the WINE team reacted, changed the license to GPL (or LGPL in case of winelib) and began to work, WINE recovered.

    5. Re:Not this old debate again. by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong, the GPL removes a few immoral choices from a small set of people (coders and software company owners) and increases choices for a larger set (end users.) And I think it's only a small set of people that hate RMS, the people who want to profit off the work of others without giving anything back.

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    6. Re:Not this old debate again. by mollymoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I mean, how on earth would one have freedom if it weren't forced upon us.

      As a society, for any meaningful definition of freedom, you do indeed have to have it forced upon you. You're not one of these naive fools who thinks having no rules is equivalent to freedom, are you? Anarchy only provides freedom to the biggest guy.

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    7. Re:Not this old debate again. by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, because they aren't gifts, and no one ever said they were. Thus the strings, which ensure more freedoms for end users. People who wish to extend and distribute the software receive a license to do so in exchange for a promise to share their work. This is a commercial exchange, not a gift.

      The other licenses have strings as well, for instance, attribution. A gift wouldn't require attribution. These licenses also involve commercial exchange, even though the promises extracted in exchange for the license are less. The only real gift is putting it in the public domain.

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  13. Re:Slippery Slope by Kozz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're leading yourself to a rather pure philosophical argument. But I might agree that we need "bad" extremists.

    Having nutjobs on both ends of a spectrum lends the rest of us (middle of the bell curve) a bit of perspective, whether it's in regards to technology, politics or religion.

    Of course, it might be that my "good" extremists are your "bad" extremists and so on.

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  14. Not Obvious by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The purpose of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) is probably obvious from its name...

    That's a pretty clueless statement. If it were obvious, then we wouldn't have to make the Beer/Speech distinction every time we used the word.

    One reason this is unclear: to many of us, it's not at all clear that whether you have the right to hack somebody else's code is a first amendment issue. In a technical sense, I suppose it is. But that's the same technical sense that Comcast uses when they assert their right to give us 500 channels of crap. Even if legally valid, it's hard to get worked up over it.

    The main contribution of the FSF to posterity has been to create the Open Source movement, which has proven to be a superior model for large-scale collaboration than the old standards committees it replaced. This was obvious to me the first time I compared early prototype of open source desktops like KDE and GNOME to their committee-managed predecessors, such as (the late, unlamented) CDE. Even early betas of the OS desktops had more functionality than CDE, which had been under development for many years.

    But does FSF boast about their role in inventing Open Source? They do not. They consider OS, arguably their biggest accomplishment, as a distraction. That's because the FSF is about changing all the intellectual property rules as it relates to software, not about better development models. And IMHO, they don't really have a lot to show for 25 years of attacks on that particular windmill.

  15. I disagree with the whole framework by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having principles is not extreme. It's actually not really possible *not to have them.

    Abandoning your principles when they're inconvenient is not "moderate".

    If you claim to have principle X, and abandon it when it's inconvenient, your *actual principle is "convenience", and it coincided with principle X for awhile.

    X doesn't suddenly become extreme because it's not your principle.

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  16. Behind the doors of the FSF... by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... you are eaten by a Grue.

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