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Xbox Price Cuts Confirmed

Kotaku notes that the suspected price cuts to the various Xbox 360 systems have been confirmed. Xbox Live's Major Nelson posted the new prices ($199 for the Arcade, $299 for the Pro, and $399 for the Elite) and pointed out a BusinessWeek story discussing the changes. The price cuts will take effect on September 5th.

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  1. Place your bets... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...the Wii will still sell better.

    Even at $199, the majority of consumers feel like they're getting half a system when they get the 360 without a hard drive. As a result, they're going to be looking at the higher $299 price tag. The Wii doesn't have that problem (at least not yet) because the system has the exact same fixed storage on all systems. What you get is what you get. You do not miss out on anything because you purchased the cheaper model.

    (Anyone reminded of Henry Ford's, "You can have any color you want as long as it's black"? ;-))

    1. Re:Place your bets... by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not so sure this is a shot at Nintento so much as it is a shot at Sony. Just a guess though.

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    2. Re:Place your bets... by Zardus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I love this argument. I have both a Wii and a 360, and the 360's been played during exactly three weeks in the last six months. Once for Viva Pinata, once for GTA4, and again for GTA a few months later. Compared to that, the Wii is in constant use. I'm still playing through Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3, I've recently beat Lost Winds, and Smash Bros is a constant obsession, especially when anyone comes over. Boom Blox gets played every time there's anyone over as well. My wife uses My Pokemon Ranch to store excess Pokemon from the DS games every single day.

      So there's my anecdotal evidence. My 360 has a thick layer of dust on it; my Wii is played regularly and even comes with me when I visit my friends. It's possible that the reason I still have so many games left to play is that I have maybe 2 hours or so per week left over for single-player gaming, but this whole "Wiis just sit around gathering dust" bullshit is really baffling to me.

      In my opinion, the only thing the Wii is lacking is a good splitscreen shooter. Red Steel is crap, and Metal of Honor: Heroes 2 dashed my hopes by being online-only. I hate this stupid online-only trend this generation.

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    3. Re:Place your bets... by Babbster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I get that /. is home to those who might be considered (or even consider themselves) "hardcore," but I'm still perplexed by the characterization of the Xbox 360 Arcade as "stripped down." That version includes everything needed to start playing 360 games including a memory card (256MB), and they've even been packing in a wireless controller; the original no-hard-drive unit had no memory card and a wired controller. And this price cut isn't insignificant - the drop from $280 to $200 is 28.6%, which is huge and makes the 360 - even if one goes out and buys new video cables for high-definition - cheaper than the Wii. So, Microsoft is including more stuff than they used to and charging significantly less money. That seems more like "a good deal" than "stripped down."

      Disclaimer: I love the Wii, respect the value of the PS3 for those who want Blu-ray and sold my 360 last year. :)

    4. Re:Place your bets... by MooseMuffin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Basically the opposite situation here. I'm a Wii and 360 owner and the only game I've finished on the Wii was resident evil 4, which I never played on any of its other platforms but can't imagine it was half as good without the wiimote. I was excited for Mario and Zelda but really never picked them up after the first few days I had them. They were well done for sure, but they just didn't hold my interest like I thought they would. Maybe my tastes have changed since the n64 days. I picked up smash brothers for cheap one day, but it plays far too loose to appeal to my fighting game loving side. Generally, the Wii is now used to show friends who come by who haven't played with one very much. I certainly don't discount the Wii though. RE4 proved that they could definitely utilize the machine in a way that would interest me; They just haven't done it since.

      The 360 gets played all the time though, largely due to the friends list I think. I turn it on for a couple of quick geometry wars games and end up being invited to some other gaming session that ultimately lasts 4 times as long as I planned on gaming. Halo is a big culprit here, not because it's a particularly great shooter (I'm partial to cod4 on PC), but its good enough and nearly ubiquitous among 360 owners. If you know some 360 owners, you probably all have halo and can play that together. Between the friends list and voice chat, I've probably maintained friendships with college buddies who I may have otherwise lost touch with.

      Additionally, soul calibur handles my fighting game fix, putting friends-filtered high score lists on the main screen in geometry wars turned it into an ever-present obsession, and the draw of the online music store within rock band is downright lethal once I've had a drink or two...

    5. Re:Place your bets... by gfxguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sony's hype train is pushing the PS3 as the perfect HD entertainment center for your home. It not only plays highly-anticipated games in 1080p, but it also can play Bluray movies. Those features manage to convince a lot of customers that the PS3 is the quality console, and not the XBox 360.

      I think this is more important than you are giving it credit for...

      Most of us still have not moved on into HD. For those of us looking into it (like me), we know it's more than simply buying an HD TV; without a useful HD source (over the air is nice, but I doubt it's compelling enough to invest in the television). In other words, what's the point unless you get a blu-ray player?

      Sure, you can upscan your old DVDs, which we'll do a lot of, I'm sure, but when I'm adding up the total to buy a complete HD system, I'm including the blu-ray player as well as the TV and a I know I'll need a new entertainment center to fit it all.

      The reason I'm going on about it is because every review of blu-ray players seems to come to the same conclusion: the PS3 is a better blu-ray player than the standalone units, and it's cheaper, and on top of that... it's a PS3, so you get a gaming system, too!

      I wasn't even considering it; I'd have gone right ahead and sunk $300 or $400 on a standalone player when I can get an 80GB PS3 for that amount (plus $20 for a remote) and people are saying it's actually a better player than the standalone units (starts up faster, for one thing).

      So it's not just gaming; people who might not otherwise have gotten one (me) might end up getting it just for bluray; and since I do play games, I'll use it for gaming, too.

      Win-win.

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  2. Alright by dunezone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Here's to hoping that helps Microsoft's recent hardware sales woes." - Kotaku

    Hardware sales woes? Its the summer season, a time that has historically shown a decline in sales due to the fact not many publishers release at this time. September through December are the hot months for releasing a game and a perfect time to lower a console price to make the system more appealing.

  3. Re:Red Ring of Death Now Cheaper! by Eponymous+Crowbar · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think the RROD started being much less common with the HDMI-equipped models, but then again I have a first-gen that has been fine since day one. They have been updated a few times since they were introduced, and each generation has been more reliable.

  4. Noooooo!!!! by CrazyTalk · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...did I mention I work in XBox Support?

  5. Re:Red Ring of Death Now Cheaper! by kcbnac · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft already switched to 65nm parts from the original 90nm parts quite awhile back.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Xbox+360+goes+65nm

    From what I remember, after that people were liking how cool the systems ran. There also were some obvious ways to check your system, to identify which it was. (I think this was aimed at those getting potential refurbs from the RRoD)

  6. $199 model by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd never buy one without a HDD, but that is just me. Even with the new avatars and dash, the XBox is aimed at a different audience than the Wii. I don't think they honestly compete directly. The real competition here is Sony. Microsoft still has a larger install base, though Sony was catching up.

    Now if Sony wants to honestly compete in this generation, they need to drop their core model to $300 before Black Friday. Microsoft is losing tons of money on the hardware because of RROD problems (which continue to persist, even on new Elite models) but Sony is also losing quite a bit.

    The difference is that Microsoft has other business models to produce plenty of profit. Sony's other divisions are doing decent, but they aren't producing Microsoft-type revenues.

    They're both shooting themselves in the foot to see who will lose the most money before the other one pulls out of the race. Why?

    Because next generation, if only one competes, they don't have to lose so much money. Nintendo is competing for another segment, and either Microsoft or Sony could in theory run away solo with the high-end, hardcore console market.

    Then again, neither see the true solution. Sony has BluRay, and Microsoft doesn't want to pay to license it. Microsoft has DirectX, which Sony doesn't want to utilize, even though it makes development easier for PC/Console games. Microsoft also bought the rumble patent that Sony didn't want to pay for. Neither have incredible first-party titles, and both end up shelling out money to bribe third-party developers for console exclusives, killing potential profits.

    The solution really is one console. Developers would love to have a larger install base to develop for, and not worrying about porting to two platforms.

    Imagine a console that could be developed for easily (DirectX), that had BluRay, and featured both Halo and Metal Gear Solid? Both Sony and Mirosoft could turn a profit on the venture. They both put their best technology in the box, with their combined patent portfolios and also combine console exclusives. Together they'd reclaim some of the market share they lost to Nintendo, even though most of Nintendo's market really is a different audience.

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  7. Microsoft's Xbox Fiasco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slashing the price of the 360 to below Wii levels isn't going to do anything.

    The first Xbox sold around 24-25 million between November 2001 and June 2005 when it went out of production.

    The Xbox 360 has sold just over 19.5 million worldwide(sorry vgchartz fake sales numbers) with about 9 months left before it reaches the same point in the Xbox's life where Microsoft pulled the plug on the console.

    The Xbox and Xbox 360 are selling at a virtually identical rate.

    Microsoft only shipped 2.3 million new Xbox 360's worldwide for the first half of 2008.

    The Xbox 360 is selling at a virtually identical sales rate in the three major console regions, Japan, US, and Euopre.

    Dead in Japan.
    Dead in almost all of Europe outside the UK
    Almost all the remaining sales coming from the US.

    The Xbox 360 is selling to the exact same people who bought the first Xbox. Cutting prices isn't going to do anything. The demand simply isn't there. Just like the first Xbox there already is talk of the next Halo on the next Xbox being the savior of the platform.

    Microsoft is letting PC gaming die from neglect while they waste their time getting nowhere in the console market. The 7 billion dollars Microsoft wasted in the console market could have been better used to revitalize they dying PC game market and keep PC developers from jumping to the console market.

    1. Re:Microsoft's Xbox Fiasco by philspear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's some shoddy logic there. Extreme oversimplification. The 360 has lost a lot of money due to the technical problems. The logical conclusion there is to fix those problems and not make the same mistakes, yet you seem willing to declare a microsoft console as fundamentally a bad idea that can never work. Tell me it's not just because you're upset about the state of PC gaming.

      PC gaming is dying out because people like to play games rather than wasting time on computer maintenece. I know what your opinion of us must be, but I get no joy out of installing new software or hardware so I can play the latest game. I could definitely learn how to do that, but I much prefer plugging my console into the TV, putting the disc in, and playing immediately. I play games to relax, not to do work. MS spending money on the PC market would be a waste.

      I also have to point out that the PS3 is not doing great either. You'd have me believe that the next console is going to be just nintendo out there alone?

    2. Re:Microsoft's Xbox Fiasco by BoberFett · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bitter Sony Fanboy?

  8. Re:Lazy by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think of it in terms of how much porn they can store.

    Arcade: public place; most people don't keep their porn stashes in public. No HDD.
    Pro: somewhat private; maybe you've spent one or two afternoons entertaining yourself on company time. Small HDD.
    Elite: parent's basement; pretend this is spelled "1337" and everything falls into place.

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  9. Re:Upgrading basic version? by Babbster · · Score: 3, Informative

    To answer your first question, I found a refurbished 20GB hard drive on Gamestop.com for $60. To answer your second question, no, GTA4 does not require a hard drive (the box says it requires 1 MB of space to save). AFAIK, the only boxed 360 game that requires a hard drive is Final Fantasy XI.

  10. Re:Hypnotism all right... by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's the sad thing about the Wii, it's in a small slump because developpers laughed at it (now the assholes are paying with blood), and Nintendo can't release smash hits every year.

    The Wii's been out for almost 2 years, which is longer than the development cycle of a game, so I don't think that's it. And Nintendo has a 30 year history of screwing over developers, so I think there's a natural resistance to develop for them on the part of some people. There's also the problem with the Wii being underpowered in terms of hardware, which discourages multiplatform development.