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City Uses DNA To Sniff Out Dog Poop Offenders
An Israeli city is using DNA analysis of dog droppings to reward pet owners who clean up after their pets and punish those who don't. A six-month trial program launched this week, in the city of Petah Tikva, to tackle the dog mess problem in a high tech way. The program asks dog owners to take their pets to a veterinarian, who then swabs its mouth and collects DNA. The city will use the DNA database it is building to match droppings to a dog and identify its owner. Owners who scoop up their dogs' droppings and place them in specially marked bins will be eligible for rewards of pet food coupons and dog toys. Those who leave the poo on the street face fines. I wonder what sin you had to commit in a previous life to find yourself the official dog poop examiner of Petah Tikva, Israel.
We can identify poop with DNA but we still can't dust for vomit.
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What a shitty idea.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
How about I don't take my dog to the vet for the swabbing?
I'm no criminal mastermind, but it just might work!
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I can just see it now:
THIS technology is DA SHIT!
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Now that this has come up, I imagine we'll start to see at Moscone, the "First International GeoScatological Society Meeting"
These conferences will have a LOT of SHIT to talk about...
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Just how many coupons do you think they honestly will give out? They'd probably just only check the DNA samples found on the ground because that generates revenue; they're honestly not going to use a costly procedure just to reward citizens. Actually, how much does DNA analysis of dog droppings cost? I'm skeptical that this will be done very often, as I believe DNA testing isn't really that cheap.
. I wonder what sin you had to commit in a previous life
Actually I think whosoever is doing this accumulates 10 x the good karma normal people accumulate in one life-time.
One gets used to it - think about a coroner job....
So only outlaws will refuse to have their dogs' DNA recorded in their database?
In Israel, you need to have a license for your dog from the city/municipality where you live; you get it when you take your dog to the vet for its annual rabies vaccination. All licensed dogs must be "chipped" also.
I suppose getting caught walking an unlicensed dog will also get you a hefty fine, and your dog will be confiscated. I wouldn't think that most municipalities in Israel have a lot of budget for paying people to check on dog licensing and enforcing the "clean after your dog" laws. Maybe this is one way to try to generate a new income stream for the municipality (people already pay for licensing their dogs)?
As far as I am concerned, this is an invasion of privacy.
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How about spending money on something with a better cost-benefit ratio? Like free designer flu-masks for the sick? Turning all water fountains into GOOD filtered water rather than shitty chlorine water?
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
We give billions to everybody, so, no.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
They should do this with people who smoke and drop their cigarette butts on the ground.
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breed. I think that would go a long way towards catching whoever does it. I live in an urban area and I have no sympathy for anyone who leaves their dog shit everywhere. I think they should be fined and jailed for first offense.
Because, seriously. It's not.
Save up like a MONTH of your dog's poo. Then go around spooning it into these containers. Get fido's mouth swabbed, and watch as all the alarms at the veterinarian's office go off. Oy vey! We have a winner!
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Not really. The vast majority of American aid to Israel is military, and even that is generally "credits" that can only be spent at American companies, not actual cash for Israeli R&D.
OTOH, if they start using the standard military issue M16A1 (from the Nixon era) to shoot the offending dogs (or owners...), then US taxpayers may be paying...
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Or worse, someone takes your dog's poop out and leaves it on the sidewalk to be found because they don't like you?
Apparently the thousands and thousands of cameras in England are no substitute for DNA testing... wonder what the ROI and cost comparisons are?
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Looks like it's another city to add to Triumph's blacklist.
Now I can just imagine irate neighbors taking poop and planting them to get their neighbors in trouble.
Also...wonder how this will affect that dog-poop in the mail business.
Wait...the DNA sampling is "voluntary" right? It's not required to register your dog's DNA?
btw, the mainstream news had a segment on it.
As I said, you've got to be kidding me. Isn't DNA analysis still kind of expensive?
You wonder what sin you had to commit in a previous life to find yourself the official dog poop examiner of Petah Tikva, Israel. And I wonder what sin the official dog poop examiner had to commit in his previous life.
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I wonder what sin you had to commit in a previous life to find yourself the official dog poop examiner of Petah Tikva, Israel.
Why, isn't it obvious? You'd have to be the sort of person who keeps posting these idle articles to the front page.
This technology is the shit!
I'll bet it's funded by the people who leave their dog's shit in the road.
They pay a fine and the cost of the DNA test.
Great plan, I wish they did it in my town. It's full of shit :(
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Most likley not, that money would mostly go towards infastructure, military to defend its borders etc. The Israli taxpayers are most likley paying for this
However I must say I dont think parent should be modded "troll" its a fair enough question with the answer being "unlikley" rather than "of course not"
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Correct. My intention wasn't to troll. I remember learning that America gives billions to Israel for military purposes each year. But money is money, and who isn't to say that if they didn't get this money, they wouldn't be having to pool money from elsewhere to cover their military operations?
Poor analogy: A hypothetical household gets $30k/year. Family has a burglar alarm costing $1k/year. What if a portion of that $30k/year is "free" money given to the family from another family? What if that money is cut off? Would they drop their burglar alarm service, or would they drop other "non-essential" things first in order to maintain their burglar alarm service?
Or am I wrong to think like this?
1) vet's can keep DNA records of pets; and
2) cities find it economical to enforce poop-scoop laws by DNA testing dog shit.
Sheesh.
Petah Tikva doesn't really exist.
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#201.
Step 1 - Pretend you love your neighbour (but still don't get caught)
Step 2 - Play with his/her dog.
Step 3 - Get the dog's saliva on your sterile, latex glove wearing hands
Step 4 - Go home and extract DNA
Step 5 - Clone your neighbour's dog
Step 6 - Collect the cloned dog's wastes
Step 7 - Drop them in as many of those bins as you can
Step 8 - Profit!
BTW, why is this not posted under the "Yo-Dawg Rights Online" category?
This is absurd! What the hell does this kind of DNA testing cost anyway? If it's in the article I'll never know because I'm NOT reading an article about DNA sampling of shit for the purpose of issuing fines. Moronic idea. This government must have a lot of money to blow (or be willing to force it's citizens to pay up big for stupidity)
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Gifts for cleaning up Dog poop??? I guess the authorities need to train the dogs on where to drop and where not instead of their owners. After all the it's dog poop and not dog-owners' poop
Even better: 1. Get dog swabbed at vet.
2. Get dog to shit a sizable amount and collect it.
3. Go around the city putting shit on the ground, smearing it, then cleaning it up. Repeat.
4. Wait for city officials to give you rewards for 'picking up' dog shit.
5. Profit!
On a serious note, I wonder if there are any measures taken against people like this.
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Yeah, it's not, but most of the posts were! RTFP (always wanted to have an opportunity to use that acronym)...
Oh, wait, is that you? You better start cleaning up all those turds on Ben-Gurion St.!
Granted, not many dogs in it, so if that's for real, the scheme is not as lucrative as collecting parking tickets.
"I wonder what sin you had to commit in a previous life to find yourself the official dog poop examiner of Petah Tikva, Israel. "
Probably you must have left too much dog poop around...
Make Profit easily!
Step 1:
Collect all of your dogs dropping from the backyard
Step 2:
Distribute across city poop collection bins...
Step 3:
Earn rewards! Score!
Steal poo from the poo bins. Then go around spooning poo into inappropriate places. A bunch of obedient citizens get fined unfairly and go apeshit. Stand back and watch as the whole system falls apart.
I wonder if the fellow who thought of this is a Touch Tone Terrorist fan? (Junkyard Willie) "I wanna know who left the log in the toilet bowl!" ... "I got a sample--I put it in my refrigerizer. I'll take it down to the hospital and they can do a D.O.A. test. They can find out who it was."
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The security industry of Israel is renowned the world over. As soon as they have proved the concept on dog poop, they'll have a market to sell it to other countries, for dogs, and probably long pig as well.
Some of me thinks that this is just a trial of a technique to raise the public acceptance of ubiquitous DNA testing. Some of me thinks it may be an exercise in raising the public FEAR of ubiquitous DNA testing. You'd only have to try a dozen cases or so and soon everyone will be a-scoopin' that poop.
Yet another brick in the wall.
I wonder what might happen if dog owners put their own poop as well into this box.
You forgot the bit about how you'd be here all night...
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Assuming that the final 'h' is not pronounced (as in Sarah) Petah Tikva sounds the same as the Bulgarian for "fifth pumpkin" :-)
There was a movie where this dude from the 1700's traveled through time and came to present-day New York. While walking a dog that took a dump, a police officer asked him to clean it up. He said, "Do you mean to tell me there is a law compelling gentlemen to remove canine feces?" And for the life of me, I can't remember the name of that movie.
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And I can assure you that dog poop is quite a problem here. There is a lot of small children on the outside and dog poop is more immediate danger to them than occasional suicidal bomber.
They should do this with people who smoke and drop their cigarette butts on the ground.
Yes, lets use small scale littering as an excuse for a comprehensive genetic database.
Then they can harvest your dna in a local hardware store, a mine where you visited your cousin or friend, and a bank you frequent, which happened to be bombed by terroists (but not you).. and "put together the pieces" with a little scaremongering before a jury of "peers" who finance fine entertainment like survivor.
On an equally orwellian though not immediately threatening note, they could easily swab areas unobtrusively and run the combination of samples through that new process they've discovered to individualize the data from mixed samples, then cross-reference it with the database to data-mine mass surveillance on the general populace.
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The vast majority of American aid to Israel is military, and even that is generally "credits" that can only be spent at American companies
Plus, when you consider what they get by way of technology exchange, unwavering loyalty and common beliefs, it's money well spent.
When you compare that to the billions of dollars given by America to Arab states, for whom the usual return on investment is "Death to America", it's a pretty sweet deal.
Regardless, Israeli hi-tech firms make plenty of money. The parent topic was a troll, of course, but this technology, like other Israeli innovations (such as much of the computer you are probably using) are impressive. When you consider that the chief or only export of most of their neighbouring countries is Jihad, and when you consider what Israel has achieved in spite of the sort of challenges it faces, it's a truly remarkable country.
I do realize dog waste is an environmental hazard. (Although I'm not familiar with the landscape in Israel, so I don't know what effect not scooping has.)
I do question any government doing this.
Who is going to pay for it? Will it be taxpayers, or will it be fully funded through the use of fines?
If by fines, what happens when everyone complies? If the program is dropped, problem solved. If the program keeps going ahead, is money somehow saved compared to current situation?
Maybe I'm just a bit annoyed at how some local governments can be so wasteful in terms of throwing money at things.
I am still a bit curious about how any money America gives Israel affects other things they're doing. (I'm not trolling about this either. Maybe I could have been more clear with what I said.)
I live in Modi'in (in Israel), city of the future. Apparently in the future most people refuse to pick up the poop of their horse sized dogs. This isn't a problem only in my city, this is nation wide. It's a weird cultural thing.
In any case, we are electing a new mayor, and at a public debate we heard from all of the candidates. It was running neck and neck until one stood up and said he'd sick the gestapo on anyone who doesn't pick up after their pets. Judging by the reaction he got, dude is gonna win by a landslide!
This method would let any city clean up it's streets without hiring more cops, which sounds great to me.
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It doesn't take a genious to figure out that this law is proposed because of irresponsible dog owners. I'm sick and tired of slaloming around dog shit every time I walk down the streets, I would love to see this law right here in Barcelona as well. What goes for license? fuck yeah. That's definetly the best solution. Next step is license to have children. Society shouldn't have to pick up (litteraly) the shit that irresponsible dog owners (parents as well, heck anyone responsible for another living creature) leave behind. I don't leave shit in your line of path, stop leaving shit in mine.
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While this isn't the first time I've comtenplated taking a deuce in my neighbors yard, it is the first time I've considered going to Israel to do it.
I wonder what sin you had to commit in a previous life to find yourself the official dog poop examiner of Petah Tikva, Israel.
Islamic suicide bomber.
Right? Please tell me it is...
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this is the most serious problem in israel today? what a waste of resources
They're using their grammar skills there.
Maybe its a complete fabrication. But I was told about a month ago in France they have something called the Moto Crotte. People are actually paid to drive around in a vehicle that has some kind of suction hose or something to essentially clean up dog crap. Creating jobs is good right?
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because sequencing the DNA of a pile of hot dogshit is still more important than addressing the palistinian occupation.
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I think rather than the take-a-bite-out-of-crime dept.
This one should have come from the i'll-get-you-my-pretty-and-your're-little-dog-too dept
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How many would do that? How many people feel like you do? People that hate dog shit where they can see it. How many feel strongly enough about it that when they see someone leave it on the sidewalk they wouldn't report it? You seem to have just the attitude of someone that would do that.
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I'm sorry, but doesn't Israel have bigger problems to worry about, like terrorist nations who want to exterminate the Jews and push them into the ocean? Aren't Arab states constantly lobbing missiles and sending suicide bombers over the border? In light of the constant threat of war, it seems silly to me that they're cracking down so hard on dog poop. Yes, dog doo in the street is annoying, but it's not something I'd ever want tax dollars spent on were I an Israeli citizen.
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1. the grizzly responder said it used to be 5$ per check, with price going down.
2. make sure that your fine plus collection cost is higher than 5$
3. ???
4. Profit!!!
As a US taxpayer, I'd say my money has been well spent. ;)
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Clearly what's happened is that the Middle East has disappeared and Israel is now adjacent to the Buddhist countries of Southeast Asia. So dog poop has become their biggest problem. Well, that and China's interest in their nuclear stockpile.
WAIT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DISPOSE OF POOP? I usually just eat it. I think I just solved my pooping problem.
"In other news, vets will also be asking pet owners to provide a cheek swab..."
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Steal poo from the poo bins. Then go around spooning poo into inappropriate places. A bunch of obedient citizens get fined unfairly and go apeshit. Stand back and watch as the whole system falls apart.
You mean, watch the shit fly?
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Pay instead to have people walk the sidewalks and spray down dog poop so that the ground can absorb the nutrients. Dog poop gone, free fertilizer, problem solved. If the US took better care of its sidewalks, more people would enjoy walking, which is precisely what the country needs in particular, both to get off oil, and to get our fat citizens walking again. It's totally ridiculous that we're bagging fertilizer in plastic and then burying it in land fills.
No, the USA only gives money to Israel for things that involve killing Arabs.
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They're only able to track dog poop, right? I mean, no particular reason I'm asking... Just curious...
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I REALLY wish they did this here in the USA.
I have a 3 yr old son and live opposite a kids play park.
The park has been totally ruined by f***ing retards who walk their dogs there and dont bother to pick up their sh1t when they think no-one is watching.
It makes me mad thinking about those dog owners who just don't care about passing some potentially really nasty diseases onto kids.
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