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Ray Beckerman Sued By the RIAA

An anonymous reader writes "Ray Beckerman, known for questioning the RIAAs legal tactics (also for frequent Slashdot contributions), was sued by the RIAA over his blog Recording Industry vs. People. In question is the 'vexatious' claims that the RIAAs legal tactics is a 'sham.' Beckerman is quoted as saying that the litigation against him is 'frivolous and irresponsible.'"

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  1. RIAA = Scientology by unity100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    they are some pest that needs to be eradicated for rational functioning of u.s. legal system. they need to be made an example of, for future generations.

    1. Re:RIAA = Scientology by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      they are some pest that needs to be eradicated for rational functioning of u.s. legal system. they need to be made an example of, for future generations.

      to [mis]quote a movie:

      "we're the US government. we don't DO that sort of thing."

      seriously - we don't seem to make examples of bad businesses. in fact, we BAIL THEM OUT with taxpayer money!

      don't expect the US legal system to 'fix itself'. doctors can't operate on themselves, in a similar analog.

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    2. Re:RIAA = Scientology by mmalove · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is completely off-topic, but an important enough discussion that I think it's worth chiming in anyways.

      Yes, many will feel the pain either way. However, I think the most fair and equitable distribution of pain and accountability follows the plan of letting those investors that propped up AIG take the fall for its bad business practices.

      I feel much the same way about bailing out fmae and fmac. Sure, people are losing thousands of dollars in their home "values" and their retirement investments. However, the drops in home prices are a natural market balance that reflects a lowered ability to pay. More accurately, it better represents the real ability to pay, when the mortgage balloon game is ended. Today thousands of homes sit on the foreclosure market, rotting away from the inside out and developing crippling mold issues that ultimately can completely destroy the value of a home. Yet, the banks refuse to unload these homes at a price that would move them off the market immediately, choosing instead to let them rot to maintain their inflated prices. Let us not forget that from 2000 -> 2005, home prices DOUBLED. Their prices prior to this "collapse" were in fact inflated, are still inflated, and taking out the exhorbitant mortgages to purchase them at their inflated value, was a mistake.

      So lets summarize - banks are holding houses they aren't willing to sell for what the market will bear, plenty of people need homes and don't have them, and the government solution is we need to bail out the poor, poor bank at the expense of said non-homeowners?

      NO.

      One can argue how taxes should or should not be used, but I think we can mostly agree taxes should not be used to redistribute wealth to the wealthy.

      I think things are fine. This clearance sale on housing is bringing the price of a home back into the range that a young couple starting a family may be able to afford one on a real income. When the next generation can buy homes, the price will stabilize. And maybe the younger generation, which is currently piddling away all their money the Middle East, will learn something from the older generation, which did the same thing in the Far East, and instead invest their money here at home, so that when it's time to retire we don't have to resort to robbing our children.

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    3. Re:RIAA = Scientology by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actual there are very good non racists reasons to ahve a national language.
      Cost.
      Once you interpret a document into one language, you must do it for all languages. This is very expensive.

      Culture division.
      Creating segments of the population that has difficulty communicating with other segments leads to an US v Them scenario; which leads to civil unrest.

      A cheaper and more long term solution is a more widely available English language courses.
      Encouraging people to speak the language.

      Many people with 'Mexican' decent in California are multiple generation and speak English.

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    4. Re:RIAA = Scientology by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Expecting people to learn the dominant language is not bigotry, it's a reasonable expectation of a person putting in effort to work with society. I don't have anything against some random immigrant into the US. Good for him, I hope he does well for himself. If he chooses, however, to not attempt to learn English, which is the de facto national language, that's just plain rude.

      If you want to let rude people who don't want to put forth the effort to work together with our society be accepted in our nation, that's your problem. I, for one, want people who actually give a damn, and try to become better citizens.

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  2. hmmm by nomadic · · Score: 5, Informative

    He's not really being sued, as best I can tell from the article; instead, the RIAA filed a motion for sanctions against him personally (as opposed to just his client) in one of his cases.

  3. In related news... by Aeonite · · Score: 5, Funny

    Beckerman is now also being sued for saying that the litigation against him is "frivolous and irresponsible.""

    Doh.

    1. Re:In related news... by kimvette · · Score: 5, Funny

      You ought to have posted that as AC, because the RIAA will be suing you next for calling them pointless and annoying. ;)

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      The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
    2. Re:In related news... by witte · · Score: 5, Funny

      "They're so vain... they probably think this post is about them."

  4. Pot, meet kettle? by Saxerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe strongly in the idea of free speech, and don't much care for censorship or other speech restrictions. That said, on some level I think I can agree with the idea that lawyers are part of our legal justice system, and therefore to be held to a higher standard of conduct than we mere mortals. I mean, I have no problem saying the same thing about judges or police officers. I certainly believe they should be held to higher standards.

    But the idea that the RIAA would say of Ray's blog, "Such vexatious conduct demeans the integrity of these judicial proceedings and warrants this imposition of sanctions." is completely beyond absurd.

    The RIAA has been conducting a multimillion dollar ad campaign in an attempt to paint copyright infringement as a crime in the same class or worse as theft, and further attempting to equate their inflated 'losses' due to 'piracy'. Ray might joke and jab more than is 'proper' or 'expected' as a lawyer, but in my mind, that makes him a better agent of the court, not worse. And I fail to see how this lawsuit is anything other than a legal attack upon Ray in an attempt to smear his good name and discredit him as a lawyer.

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    A steaming cup of soykaf would be real wiz right now.

    1. Re:Pot, meet kettle? by Danse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ahh, so special classes of people have special rights and responsiblities? In other words, all men are not created equal?

      Some people are held to higher standards due to their position or job. There are good reasons for this, such as preventing conflicts of interest and prejudicial actions in legal proceedings. Without such standards, our legal system would suffer.

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      It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
    2. Re:Pot, meet kettle? by ejWasTaken · · Score: 5, Funny

      Umm..., I am not sure how it works at your doctors office, but a circumcision should not involve your ass at all. I would seek a 2nd opinion

  5. Vexatious by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yah I didn't know the meaning either:

    Main Entry:
            vexatious Listen to the pronunciation of vexatious
    Pronunciation:
            \-shs\
    Function:
            adjective
    Date:
            1534

    1 a: causing vexation : distressing b: intended to harass 2: full of disorder or stress : troubled

    FTA:
    The RIAA said Beckerman, one of the nation's few attorneys who defends accused file sharers, "has maintained an anti-recording industry blog during the course of this case and has consistently posted virtually every one of his baseless motions on his blog seeking to bolster his public relations campaign and embarrass plaintiffs," the RIAA wrote (.pdf) in court briefs. "Such vexatious conduct demeans the integrity of these judicial proceedings and warrants this imposition of sanctions."

    BASELESS motions? Sure, what lawyer wouldn't want to bolster his PR, but maybe, JUST maybe, the motions ARE baseless?
    EMBARRASS plaintiffs? Look, if you are suing someone, you better BE PREPARED. It's as simple as that. There's nothing about getting embarrassed if you are going to sue.

    The RIAA really sounds like it's going out on a whim here. Maybe suing your own customers is a bad idea, do they get it yet? Geesh, I wish the RIAA would just GO AWAY!

    1. Re:Vexatious by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So can Ray sue them for professional libel for stating that all of his claims are baseless?

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  6. My Favourite Part by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is probably my favourite part of the situation - "Readers should note the cover sheet (.pdf) of the court filing lists Richard Gabriel as the RIAA's lead counsel. Gabriel was named a Colorado judge in May and no longer works on behalf of the RIAA." Yeah. Ok. Good work there guys.

  7. Re:Wow. Though expected. by nomadic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cant they dismiss this lawsuit on grounds of anti-SLAPP?

    It's not really a lawsuit, it's just a motion in a case he's on. Motions for sanctions are actually fairly common.

    IIRC, isnt there a ground that a judge can take away "lawsuit powers" when used as a weapon, rather than as to pursue 'truth and justice'?

    Yes, but it's very rarely done. If someone is just completely crazy about filing multiple frivolous lawsuits, the court will occasionally order that the frivolous party cannot file lawsuits except through independent counsel; I think they did this to Jack Thompson. The theory is an attorney will filter out the crazy stuff, or face professional sanctions themselves.

  8. NYCL Posts? by unfasten · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Is this going to stop Ray Beckerman from posting articles and making comments about other ongoing cases on slashdot now? I really hope not because his posts are usually the best way to keep informed about their cases.
    From TFA

    has maintained an anti-recording industry blog during the course of this case and has consistently posted virtually every one of his baseless motions on his blog seeking to bolster his public relations campaign and embarrass plaintiffs

    This also makes it sound like that's exactly what they're trying to stop, him actually informing people (us) about their baseless cases. I wonder if they're going to seek a gag order?

  9. Everyone thank RIAA by Umuri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me be the first to point out what everyone's been thinking.

    Thank.
    You.
    RIAA.
    Morons.

    I mean, honestly. We all are acting all high and mighty, but what we're really thinking is,
    "What IDIOT up there thought it would be a good idea to sue one of the most competent, intelligent, LAWYERS who has already expressed a will to fight against their unsound tactics"

    Lets take odds, who wants to bet they try to pull out of this the minute someone realizes what they just did, and someone is definitly getting sacked.

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  10. Re:Defending file-sharers by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed.

    Actually I wonder if this is just an extension of the RIAA's legal tactics to the lawyers themselves. Previously, they would sue people in order to intimidate them into settling and/or not file-sharing. Now, they are applying the same logic to lawyers: suing lawyers with the audacity to defend file-sharers, so as to intimidate other potential defense lawyers from even taking a file-sharing case.

    As usual, even if the RIAA loses (or eventually drops the case), they "win" in the sense that they send the message that they are willing to make life hell for anyone who opposes them (including other lawyers).

    Such a tactic from the RIAA is presumably illegal... but it's probably very difficult to prove in court that this is their intention.

  11. Translation: by twmcneil · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice practice you got there Ray. 'Be a shame if anything happened to it.

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  12. Google 'SLAPP' by sgauss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP Good luck, Ray, I hope you own these bastards!

  13. Re:The guy can at least defend himself by shma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have little doubt that the goal is not to win the lawsuit, but to waste his time. They're hoping that the triple burden of his day job, his blog, and defending this lawsuit will be too much.

    Don't give in to them, Ray. It's important for us to have this blog asa counter-attack to the RIAA BS machine.

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    I came here for a good argument
  14. It's Time to Give Back Now by CWRUisTakingMyMoney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All,

    Mr. Beckerman is, as most of us know, one of the most respected members of the Slashdot community. He's posted many, many stories and innumerable comments, all with great insight and actual legal information from a real lawyer (yes, HIAL). Over quite a long time, he's become one of us, and he probably has the highest karma in the history of Slashdot. He's done a great deal to help us all, and now it's time to return the favor. There are a lot of comments here about how dumb a move this is on the RIAA's part, and how they'll finally get embarrassed by NewYorkCountryLawyer himself. I happen to agree.

    However, Ray is only one man, and the RIAA has the means, and probably the will, to throw so many of their lawyers and arcane procedural motions at him to make his personal life a living hell. So it's time now that we thank him and make it clear that were behind him. As for how, that's up to you. Maybe send encouraging emails. If he comments here, reply with your support. Spread the word about the RIAA trying to sue a legal critic into silence. Please, everyone who's been enlightened, informed, and amused by Ray's comments here, do your part in return.

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    Those who anthropomorphize science and/or nature already believe in an intelligent designer.
  15. Years from now, when this is all old history by zuki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When people will be looking back at the madness, deceit, lies and coercion that has become so commonplace with some of the RIAA's strong-arm tactics, someone like Ray will stand as an exemplary model of integrity and fairness, refusing to simply kowtow to the unreasonable demands of a group of corporate entities who have demonstrated that they are utterly unable to serve their original mission (i.e.: be creative in providing the public entertainment in changing times) and re-invent themselves in the face of a mutating marketplace and technological tools, by providing the public with easy, ubiquitous and unencumbered access to their catalogs of copyrights, and have instead made it their new specialty to sue those who could have been their best customers.

    Being slapped with such silly and pointless lawsuits over a blog is just a mark of how desperate some of those behind these campaigns of harassment really are, and can only serve to highlight that they are slowly running out of options of who else to blame for their own demise into obsolescence.

    Hang in there!!

    Z.

  16. Re:Or even better ! by Amouth · · Score: 5, Funny

    the power button

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    '...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
  17. Re:the Mark of Desperation! by Spatial · · Score: 5, Funny

    If employees of the RIAA step outside and it's raining, they immediately think of suing God.

    An easy win, as he won't show up in court. The real problem is getting money out of the wanker...

  18. Perhaps that's the entire point by sxltrex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It wouldn't surprise me if this ploy by the RIAA was simply an attempt to distract Mr. Beckerman, who has become a bit of a thorn in their side. If he's busy defending himself he won't have time to defend other RIAA victims.

  19. Re:Sigh... by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "stop pirating" argument is irrelevant because the RIAA is suing people based on bad evidence, i.e. IP addresses. You typically can't nail an IP address to a single person because IP addresses change and multiple people can be using the Internet from the same IP. This doesn't even include the person they sued that had never used a computer.

    Get a clue please.

  20. Bad summary; wait for facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beckerman has not been sued by RIAA. Instead, RIAA brought a motion for sanctions in a case Beckerman was defending.

    The motion is not aimed primarily at his blog. The motion requests sanctions in response to other motions Beckerman filed in the case. It also requests sanctions for the defendant's discovery conduct.

    Hate the **AA all you want, but wait until the facts are in on this story. Did Beckerman have any reasonable basis for those motions he filed? Did his client destroy and/or hide evidence? The judge will sort it out.

  21. no, you get a clue by unity100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    first, get a clue that anyone who talks about a topic is not necessarily an american, an alien wanting to be an american or any other shit.

    im a turk living in a tourism resort in mediterranean coast. my english far exceeds what should i know. therefore im in no way obliged to fulfill your linguistic expectations in regard to english.

    another advice - learn to value content over presentation.

  22. Thanks, folks.... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thanks for the support. The RIAA's motion is frivolous, and I will be responding to it in short order. The responsive papers are due October 13th.

    It's just an obvious attempt on their part to weasel out of their liability for attorneys fees, after torturing this innocent woman for the past 3 years.

    Some folks have indicated an interest in contributing financially.

    Anyone who wants to contribute to Ms. Lindor can do so here. Anyone who wants to contribute to the Expert Witness Defense Fund, which helps people like Ms. Lindor with hiring experts and tech consultants can do so here. Anyone who wants to contribute to me, to help me with the work I do in my blogging and getting the word out, can do so here. Another way to help out my blog is to make purchases through the affiliate ads I post on the blog. (If there are products or services you're looking for that aren't represented there, let me know, and I'll try to get affiliate ads posted for them.

    Here is my post providing the details of the accusations.

    The RIAA's litigation campaign is in its death throes, as are the 4 big record companies who are behind it. I guess this is the way dying hyenas act, they lash out. Not to worry, they will still lose.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
    1. Re:Thanks, folks.... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      OK sorry about that. To make a contribution to Ms. Lindor, go here and click on PayPal button.

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      Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  23. Re:Where is Ray?.. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something tells me that he isn't going to comment here, as, I'm sure, all such comments would be admissable. It's fine to talk about other people's cases, but prudent to be quiet about your own.

    Yes, no way I would say publicly that the motion is frivolous, meritless, and an abuse of the judicial system.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
  24. Re:Where is Ray?.. by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Funny

    +1, Balls of Steel

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  25. What I want to know is.... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    why is this story, about a totally ridiculous and doomed motion, getting so much attention, when the story I submitted about the landmark Atlantic v. Brennan case languishing in the Firehose? Mr. Brennan doesn't even have a lawyer to defend him.

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    Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful