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Debunking the Google Earth Censorship Myth

waderoush writes "There's a persistent Web meme to the effect that Google obscures sensitive or top-secret locations in Google Maps and Google Earth at the insistence of national governments. A July IT Security article promoted on Digg, 'Blurred Out: 51 Things You Aren't Allowed to See on Google Maps,' revived this notion. But the article has been widely criticized, and I did some fact-checking this week on the six Boston-area locations mentioned in the IT Security list. As it turns out, not one of the allegedly blurred locations has degraded imagery in Google Maps, as my screen shots demonstrate. My post looks into the sources of the misleading IT Security piece, and of other mistaken rumors about Google Maps."

294 comments

  1. So what about the other 45 locations? by toby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nice work on Boston, champ.

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    1. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Chrismith · · Score: 5, Informative
      I only looked at the first few locations on the list, but several of them were obviously blurred or pixelated -- the Naval Observatory in DC is a perfect blurry circle amid high-res imagery, and the Air Force Base listed as #4 looks like someone inserted a mosaic art piece over the image.

      Did this guy really not look at these locations? Those were in the top five, and there are links to the Google Maps locations in question, for crying out loud.

    2. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did this guy really not look at these locations?

      Maybe google knows his IP address.

    3. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by incripshin · · Score: 1

      This is true. Lincoln Laboratory and the neighboring Air Force Base were most definitely blurred. The article probably includes some dated information. I'm surprised that the AFB is now no longer blurred.

    4. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by museumpeace · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I work at one of those facilities and know damn well that LAST YEAR a coarse resample was laid over the campus where I work. Google has recently [last two or 3 weeks i think] updated the imagery for eastern massachusetts. I know because my new neighbors house suddenly appeared in google satellite view and it went from winter imagery to summer...which is a huge drop in information, btw because of tree canopy. The newer images do not blur the facility I work at but then neither did the old ones when they first came out. Just give 'em time.

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    5. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Brewskibrew · · Score: 1

      Maybe Google blurred out his article...

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    6. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

      When Google Earth first went online, I checked things like the US Capitol and the White House; both showed only outlines. Now, the images are complete and quite good. The Naval Observatory is at a much lower resolution that the rest of DC; perhaps the Capitol and White House were only recently unblurred, and they haven't gotten back to the USNO. (That's a guess, of course; it's been a while since I looked.) Of the others in the IT Security article, most of the overhead imagery IS degraded. So waderoush's article is's COMPLETELY wrong; just MOSTLY wrong.

    7. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Huwawa · · Score: 0

      I just looked at the Soesterberg Air Base(number four on the list) on Gmaps, and it's very definitely mosaic'd out.

    8. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by douglaid · · Score: 1

      He did say that he only looked at Boston, not DC.

    9. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by inKubus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a well known fact that the imagery providers have to obscure certain things. Just because a few of the images mentioned in the story turned out to be unobscured later doesn't mean they weren't at the time of the writing. The images are updated quite regularly, and once Google's satalites start working it'll be even more freqent.

      Yes, it's censorship to obscure the imagery, but it's a tough balance to strike. Yes, information wants to be free. And as a taxpayer, it could be argued that you have a right to see whatever your government has been spending your money on. But people in other countries do not. Furthermore, the plans and everything for most of these buildings are located in the bottom of a filing cabinet in a dark basement room with a sign on the door that says "Beware of Leopard". That said, it sure is cool to look at government stuff, and the imagery being available makes it real easy.

      For me, it's fun to find black helicopers and such, but that's basically it. It's just fun to look at stuff. I like those 'eyeball' things over at cryptome.org also. The risk is pretty low that someone would be able to plan an operation or something with just the image data. So they take away the fun to hopefully mitigate a small amount of risk.

      On the flip side (again), there seems to be so many secrets these days. Too many, if you ask me. But, hopefully they know what they're doing.

      Soon people will be able to upload their own photos to the view, like in that Microsoft thing, but on a 3d globe like Google Earth. People taking photos from passenger airplanes and such. More private aerial photos and satellites with small resolution and lower latency. It will happen. Google is on the right track with GIS, I think it'll be the killer app of the 2010's. Google has the power to pull everything together, it might take a while but soon there will be a nice parallel universe inside their datacentres. Unfortunately in that world, it makes extreme paranoia as actionable as extreme information gathering.

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    10. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by spymagician · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Excellent points all. Further consideration: Regardless of what is produced by the application (Google Earth)there is no easy way to determine its legitimacy or accuracy. Just because an area isn't blurred doesn't mean what you're seeing is accurate. Oh, and I just checked the Chernobyl (Chornobyl) NPP, and the actual power plant and surrounding Zone of Alienation is still blurred.

    11. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      It's possible to unblur them using gmask! I'll post the sequence, but my friends are at the door with a Party Van, so I'd better deal with that first.

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    12. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, I worked at #43, Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory, and the google maps image I have a screen shot of from 3 years ago is high-res. That location has been drastically degraded since then. Check it out at http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=43.040352,-73.952301&spn=0.006163,0.014076&t=h&z=17

    13. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by pvera · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly.

      I like to check out through google maps places I used to be stationed at while in the US Army over a decade ago, and I can clearly see how most roofs are showed as white rectangles, and antenna pads are whited out so you can't see in which direction they point. This is on both training facilities and in active duty stations.

      In the case of a medevac heliport all you can see is whited out taxi areas and pads, while at the same level of detail in a civilian facility you can easily follow the lines painted on the surface.

      This has been going on for years, nothing new.

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    14. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by PhilHibbs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you really not read the article?

      "As Google has acknowledged in the past, there are spots, such as the U.S. Naval Observatoryâ"home for another 116 days to Vice President Dick Cheneyâ"that have been deliberately blurred or pixelated by the companies that sell aerial imagery to Google. (See image at left. You can click on this image and all of the images in this article to see larger versions.)"

      So Google didn't censor it, the company selling them the images did, that's what the article says.

    15. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Soon people will be able to upload their own photos to the view,

      Go to http://maps.google.com/, scrollover more in the map and select photos

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    16. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Can you give some examples? There are large swaths of super bright concrete at many US Army airfields, but I don't see anything that amounts to censorship. Which is strange, because the NSA HQ at Fort Meade, MA is perfectly viewable (in high-res!), yet you say a basic Army base is classified. :)

    17. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by shift3 · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      ... and I'm sure our friends at NSA have retouched that image just a little bit. Notice how lurid the colors are?

    19. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you clearly didn't read the article. Those images are blurred, but they're blurred by the people that Google bought the images from, not Google itself.

    20. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a loony.

    21. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is definitely true. I also work at one of these sites and know for a fact the imagery was blurred as of a month ago.

      I just looked at Boston and the imagery is definitely new, I would guess within the last week. It was taken sometime close to July 4, because you can see the fireworks barge in the Charles River.

      Now, the real question is why did the authors of this article decide to write this as soon as the imagery was made unobscured for (presumably?) a short while. Conspiracy? You decide.

    22. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      I only looked at the first few locations on the list, but several of them were obviously blurred or pixelated -- the Naval Observatory in DC is a perfect blurry circle amid high-res imagery, and the Air Force Base listed as #4 looks like someone inserted a mosaic art piece over the image.

      Did this guy really not look at these locations? Those were in the top five, and there are links to the Google Maps locations in question, for crying out loud.

      One of the points of TFA (which I've finally been able to read now that it's no longer Slashdotted) is that while there is degraded imagery in Google Maps and Google Earth (he shows the US Naval Observatory image in the article) there is no evidence that Google is responsible for the degradation in any example except the Basra, Iraq one. This is fairly apparent from the wide range of techniques used to censor the images - if it was done by Google you'd expect a consistent technique to be used.

      Still even if only the 6 Boston locations are wrong, 6 false claims out of 51 is pretty poor. The IT Security article deserves criticism.

    23. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      It's being decommisioned next year though.
      Maybe we can see how long it takes to be de-scrambled.

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    24. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [18:04] Furthermore, the plans and everything for most of these buildings are located in the bottom of a filing cabinet in a dark basement room with a sign on the door that says "Beware of Leopard".

      i didnt know the Government went to using macs.

    25. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Geekbot · · Score: 1

      He actually acknowledges the Naval Observatory in the 3rd paragraph right next to the first picture in the article. However, per the article, these are not blurred by Google, rather by the image providers.
      "Thatâ(TM)s not to say that the all of the images in Google Maps and Google Earth are as detailed as they could be. As Google has acknowledged in the past, there are spots, such as the U.S. Naval Observatoryâ"home for another 116 days to Vice President Dick Cheneyâ"that have been deliberately blurred or pixelated by the companies that sell aerial imagery to Google. (See image at left. You can click on this image and all of the images in this article to see larger versions.)" -3rd paragraph of article, 1st picture

    26. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by iainl · · Score: 1

      It is blurred, yes. But in the sort of large, rectangular block that is typical of any area Google just doesn't have high-res coverage for yet. Only the lower resolution images come from satellites, the really good stuff is from low-altitude planes. And I can understand why they wouldn't be flying over the Zone of Alienation very much - the clue's in the name...

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    27. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by evan1l38 · · Score: 1

      Um ... did you actually read the article or just look at the pretty pictures? He specifically says that some of the locations, such as the Naval Observatory, are pixelated and links to it. He's just saying that not ALL the stuff people says are blurred out are really blurred out.

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    28. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, information wants to be free.

      No, information wants you to stop anthromorphizing it.

    29. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by jimk_9999 · · Score: 1

      i happened to visit the GE research site (site #42 on the list) and i was surprised to find that the photos are high res-- everything is just blurry in Niskayuna.

    30. Re:So what about the other 45 locations? by pvera · · Score: 1

      My old command had the tendency to place their regional facilities hidden under plain sight. If you look around Meade long enough you'll find at least one of "ours," which isn't what it seems to be, and its funny bits either blurred or blanked out.

      The ones at my training barracks in Georgia were interesting. You can clearly see the sidewalks, yet the tops of the buildings are white rectangles. and our training building has the exact kind of blurring/white-ing out as the live facilities elsewhere.

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  2. Hmmm by beckerist · · Score: 1

    Well their #1, the White House worked, so I call shennanigans! GRAB YOUR BROOMS!!!

    1. Re:Hmmm by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      No they didnt mean 51 places blurred out they meant Area 51... You know where they have the Alien bodies hidden.

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    2. Re:Hmmm by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      I heard that the White House's roof is photoshopped to obscure the sniper positions and stuff like that.

    3. Re:Hmmm by ItsIllak · · Score: 1

      A number of years ago the Whitehouse roof was indeed photoshopped - to a single colour for the whole surface. Nowadays it looks pretty untouched to me.

    4. Re:Hmmm by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Looks != is. Just 'shop out the snipers and SAM sites. Actually, it looks like they've put up additional roofing structures to obscure them around the clock.

    5. Re:hmmm by kgholloway · · Score: 1

      I agree. I like the new hi-rez photos of Perry (41 degrees 48 minutes 2.63 seconds North by 81 degrees 08 minutes 38.17 seconds West). They are so clear I can almost read the lettering on the reserved parking space for the Plant Manager. ===>KGH

  3. Right on time, the NSA pays off /. to debunk this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who should I believe? You, or my lying eyes?

  4. Error establishing a database connection by BeBoxer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Error establishing a database connection

    They sure blurred him out fast.

  5. Fact Checking Failure by Afforess · · Score: 1

    Google Earth = Google Maps? I think not. Also, the debunking photos link is dead.

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    1. Re:Fact Checking Failure by lysergic.acid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so you think Google spent twice the amount of money to use 2 separate satellite imaging services? or that they use two disparate censorship policies, so that if the government asks them to obfuscate the VP's residence they would only comply for one service but not the other?

      i don't know if the summary is correct or not, but logic would suggest that Google would use the same satellite images for both sets of aerial maps, and if they were going to blur out a location in one service it would be done to the other as well.

    2. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, Google Maps uses the same image database as Google Earth, so yes. It's just presented differently, and in some cases with added data (i.e. terrain). Go and look for yourself: zoom into any city street with both services and compare, the cars are identical on both.

    3. Re:Fact Checking Failure by maeka · · Score: 4, Informative

      All the higher-res images are airplane shots, not satellite. Why does this need constant reminding?

    4. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Correct. How would they get a high res shot where there is a no-fly zone? It is not censorship, it is avoiding being shot out of the sky by missiles.

    5. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Dan541 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It's called a satellite no fly zones mean squat to satellites.

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    6. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Molochi · · Score: 1

      And when I was a kid, we shot our model rockets at the B52s that flew overhead. Correlation may not be causation, but they did stop flying the BUFFs over our cul-de-sac.

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    7. Re:Fact Checking Failure by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      Actually, Google Maps uses the same image database as Google Earth

      No they don't. They use the same image data, but new image data is always added
      to google earth first, and takes a couple of days up to more than a week to propagate to
      google maps.

    8. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the higher-res images are airplane shots, not satellite. Why does this need constant reminding?

      Maybe because the button for that view on Google Maps is just labelled "Satellite"?

      Imagine the misunderstandings people might have when using the site "maps.live.com"!

    9. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't planes basically ultra-low-altitude satellites anyway?

    10. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Aren't planes basically ultra-low-altitude satellites anyway?

      Are planes in orbit?

    11. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Laser+Dan · · Score: 1

      All the higher-res images are airplane shots, not satellite. Why does this need constant reminding?

      Because most people don't bother RTFC (reading the err...other comments) let alone RTFA before posting of course.
      In almost all stories on slashdot there are multiple people making the same mistakes and comments (and unfunny jokes).
      It could be partly cause the comments are low ranked initially...or maybe google is blurring them until somebody notices

    12. Re:Fact Checking Failure by Geekbot · · Score: 1

      Ha-ha! Time for a new acronym. Instead of TFA we'll have to tell guys to TFE. TFEncyclopedia, or TFD, TFDictionary.

    13. Re:Fact Checking Failure by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It is not censorship, it is avoiding being shot out of the sky by missiles.

      So it's self-censorship, the wusses.

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  6. Digg? Inaccurate? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean an article that was inaccurate or just flat out wrong was massively promoted on DIGG? No, I simply can't believe it.

    Digg: It's like Slashdot if concussed monkeys took over.

    1. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean it's like Slashdot, if the concussed monkeys took up drinking.

    2. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean it's like Slashdot, if the concussed monkeys took up drinking.

      Hey! I resemble that remark.

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    3. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's just Idle.

      You know those candid photos of Some Random Partygoer who had one too many drinks and passed out on a vomit soaked couch? You remember how all those around him drew Sharpie dongs all over his face, perhaps slapped on some lipstick on and put a pair of skidmarked tighty-whiteys on his head?

      Yeah, that's how Idle was born.

    4. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait. Are you telling me that kdawson is NOT a drunk, concussed monkey? Now I am totally confused.

    5. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Digg: It's like Slashdot if concussed monkeys took over.

      So what you're saying is it's absolutely 100% identical? ;-)

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    6. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by "inaccurate" you mean "almost every location is indeed blurred/pixelated as the article says", then yes.

      On the other hand, my favorite Digg article was the one that declared Trig Palin was not Sarah Palin's daughter, but in fact Bristol Plain's daughter. That was a fun one.

    7. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Legion303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But with fewer dupes.

      I'd say the main difference is that a much higher percentage of digg posters are raving morons, while Slashdot has more refined trolls.

    8. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they are ruled by concussed monkeys, we are ruled by drunken monkeys! Can't you see the difference!!!???

    9. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you mean it's like Slashdot? :)

    10. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But with fewer dupes.

      I'd say the main difference is that a much higher percentage of digg posters are raving morons, while Slashdot has more refined trolls.

      I beg to differ.

      And don't forget to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock-smoking teabaggers!!

    11. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 1

      Must be new here.

    12. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by mathx314 · · Score: 1

      Digg: It's like Slashdot if concussed monkeys took over.

      So it's like Slashdot?

    13. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by TheSpoom · · Score: 1, Funny

      I like conversing with non-concussed monkeys, thank you very much.

      *flings some poo*

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    14. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean it's like Slashdot, if the concussed monkeys took up drinking.

      Ook?

    15. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Slashdot is more like Digg, now that Idle is up.

      Slashdot's corporate overlords would orgasm if Slashdot generated the amount of traffic that Digg does. They don't care about the quality of the content (and apparently the editors don't so much anymore, either, probably as a result of pressure from their bosses).

      So, what do you think we should call it now? Slashdigg? Slashdot Lite?

    16. Re:Digg? Inaccurate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, somebody hasn't heard that the $699 SCO licensing fee was an illegal scam...

  7. Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by FlyByPC · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC. Definitely pixelated -- but the cars just outside the circle are quite visible.

    ...Not that Mr. Cheney is the secretive sort. Perish the thought!

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    1. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FWIW the Naval Observatory is blotted out in all satellite photos. It's my understanding that this is a "national security" requirement and (besides it being a no-fly zone) satellite and areal photography are required by federal law to obscure it. Since Google still buys most of these pictures from other people, I wouldn't blame Google for this one, per-say...

    2. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    3. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe that is because the USNO contains primary frequency standards, so any attempt to take accurate photographs would result in a violation of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

    4. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by hyperquantization · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suspect that most of these had been obscured at some point in the past, such as these natural gas tanks in Boston. IIRC, they were quite pixelated a mere 6 months ago, but are no longer due to change in policy or whatnot. I remember noticing just a few of these (around Boston, of course), so I can't speak much against the others. But with that in mind, I think it's pretty unfair to discredit the 'Blurred Out' article; it may be outdated, but it's not necessarily a myth.

    5. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would be interesting is if any of these sites are driven by and viewable with "google street view"

    6. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Dan541 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      FWIW the Naval Observatory is blotted out in all satellite photos. It's my understanding that this is a "national security" requirement and (besides it being a no-fly zone) satellite and areal photography are required by federal law to obscure it.

      That's like placing a sign on an aircraft.

      "No Hijacking"

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    7. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by joeman3429 · · Score: 1

      well at least he used it correctly.

    8. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      An observatory seems a pretty odd place to censor. Why is it a secret? Is it something they're looking at? What are they doing at the Naval Observatory that they don't want us to know about?

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    9. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's like placing a sign on an aircraft.

      "No Hijacking"

      Well... i guarantee that the percentage of aircraft with "No Hijacking" signs on them that don't get highjacked would have a significant number of 9's in it, so it obviously works and works well, provided you measure the outcomes correctly.

    10. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by jalefkowit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Naval Observatory is the location of the residence of the Vice President of the United States.

    11. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I think it is because its a NAVAL observatory in the middle of LAND...so it doesn't actually exist, and therefore you can't really take a picture of it.

    12. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An observatory seems a pretty odd place to censor. Why is it a secret? Is it something they're looking at? What are they doing at the Naval Observatory that they don't want us to know about?

      The Vice President's house is on Observatory grounds.

    13. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9's? I don't get the reference. Also, are there such signs in the first place? I doubt it.

    14. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo Maps has an unpixelated satellite view of the Naval Observatory, and there's no federal law to obscure photos of government buildings. It's pixelated on Google Maps because Dick Cheney requested it.

    15. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Funny

      Puts the expression "naval gazing" in an entirely new context.

    16. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by KGIII · · Score: 1
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    17. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the Naval Observatory [google.com] in Washington, DC. Definitely pixelated -- but the cars just outside the circle are quite visible.

      It's not pixelated, they just built it out of giant LEGOs.

    18. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Swiss, you insensitive clod!

    19. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does China respect US security? I'm sure the US photos do not blur out things that China would want to be blurred (not to mention North Korea). In "retaliation" they could put up maps of the US that are not blurred in the "sensitive areas" (there is a joke here somewhere). Would ISPs in the US block those? (Of course if a lot of these hi-res pictures are from airplanes then it is not as easy (or impossible) for China to make them).

    20. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

      It was a joke. The number of 9s refers to the likelihood or unlikelihood of an event. 90% (0.9 probability) would be one nine. 99% (0.99 probability) would be two nines. A one-in-a-million chance (0.999999 probability) would be six nines etc.

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    21. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by seann · · Score: 1

      burka burka-stan

      thanks for the link!

      burka-out.

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    22. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if this foul-mouthed troll has more than an associates degree. Education, of course, is no indication of intelligence, but it would truly be delicious if the fellow were exposed as a GED-holding burger flipper.

      /signed, an AC with a PhD.

    23. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stewart airport/AFB in upstate NY (SWF) contradicts this...

      Here's the google map zoomed in

      and here is the same area on ask.com(click satellite after it loads... link doens't go to satellite view).

      note: if you drag off to the edge of the airport on the google map, resolution pciks up drastically after you cross the street, so it's no just an inexplicably crappy area

      so is ask.com's provider breaking national security regs and google's isn't or is google blurring?

    24. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by tkw954 · · Score: 1

      Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a
                    charm.
        Lisa: That's spacious reasoning, Dad.
      Homer: Thank you, dear.
        Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
      Homer: Oh, how does it work?
        Lisa: It doesn't work.
      Homer: Uh-huh.
        Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
      Homer: Uh-huh.
        Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
      Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

    25. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by SomeJoel · · Score: 1

      Lisa doesn't say "spacious reasoning", she says "specious reasoning". The words are very, very different in meaning...

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    26. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes by tkw954 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but not very far apart on the keyboard.

  8. Rye Playland by lpaul55 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Playland, the amusement park in Rye, New York, also shows up as blurred compared to the surrounding suburbs:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.248722,4.43965&spn=0.3,0.3&t=k&q=52.248722,4.43965

    Cannot imagine why!

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    1. Re:Rye Playland by eln · · Score: 1

      Finally, we know the undisclosed location Cheney is always going to!

    2. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Abandoned amusement parks are usually prime real estate for evil geniuses, their evil projects, and their hordes of henchmen. It wouldn't surprise me that certain amusement parks are pixelated given the secrecy involved in taking over the planet.

    3. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Playland, the amusement park in Rye, New York, also shows up as blurred compared to the surrounding suburbs:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.248722,4.43965&spn=0.3,0.3&t=k&q=52.248722,4.43965

      Cannot imagine why!

      It's not blurred out, that's just a super-happy fun time camouflaged geodesic dome!

    4. Re:Rye Playland by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Finally, we know the undisclosed location Cheney is always going to!

      I've always suspected it involved a handbasket.

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    5. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have a fairly loose definition of "Rye, New York".

    6. Re:Rye Playland by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      I notice there are a couple of round buildings. Maybe the blurring done by New York State is just looking for round buildings and considers them all to be tank farms?

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    7. Re:Rye Playland by superandy47 · · Score: 1

      That's not blurred out, that's a Katamari!

    8. Re:Rye Playland by Brewskibrew · · Score: 1

      *pulls mask off the ghost* Everyone shouts: "Vice President Cheney!" And he replies: "And I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

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    9. Re:Rye Playland by lordandrei · · Score: 1

      If you've seen MIB, then you'd realize this is actually an Alien transport depot. This one's above the government. If you zoom in too close there will be a red flash and then your browser will go back to something like LiveJournal.

    10. Re:Rye Playland by BraksDad · · Score: 1

      the local.live.com images are nice and clear.
      Especially the birds eye view from the satelites with wings ;)

      http://maps.live.com/#JnE9eXAucnllJTJjK25ldyt5b3JrJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTU2Ljc1MjcyMj g3MjA1NzQlN2UtMzkuODE0NDUzMTI1JTdlLTguNjY3OTE4MDAyMzYzMTIlN2UtMTIzLjA0Njg3NQ==

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    11. Re:Rye Playland by Kindgott · · Score: 2, Informative

      For some reason, the Kohl's Shopping Center in nearby Port Chester is also blurred a bit, though I can't fathom why.

      I've been thinking about starting a blog containing pictures of places that are obscured on Google Maps for no apparent reason.

      http://tinyurl.com/4ysydq is the shopping center's view.

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    12. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Playland, the amusement park in Rye, New York, also shows up as blurred compared to the surrounding suburbs:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.248722,4.43965&spn=0.3,0.3&t=k&q=52.248722,4.43965

      Cannot imagine why!

      Your link does not go to playland. This one does:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=playland,+rye,+new+york&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.86791,89.033203&ie=UTF8&ll=40.96635,-73.67532&spn=0.004772,0.010868&t=k&z=17&iwloc=A
      Your link goes to something else censored in Amsterdam. But you are correct, Playland does look a little fuzzy.

    13. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look, this is clearly a block that is sourced from a different map - just past a seam, as it were. This often happens, where one area of interest is easily available at exceedingly high resolution, but a neighboring area just hasn't had the high-power cameras trained on it (for public release, at least).

    14. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because that's really the European Space Research and Technology Centre, unless Rye, New York has been annexed and transported to Amsterdam.

    15. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzt! It is in that city, but not at that location.

    16. Re:Rye Playland by GotenXiao · · Score: 1

      That explains how he's luring the children...

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    17. Re:Rye Playland by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      He goes to Site-R, also known as Raven Rock.

    18. Re:Rye Playland by fr175 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Playland, the amusement park in Rye, New York, also shows up as blurred compared to the surrounding suburbs: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.248722,4.43965&spn=0.3,0.3&t=k&q=52.248722,4.43965

      Cannot imagine why!

      I don't know why this was modded as +5 Informative - the link doesn't even go to Rye, NY. Unless Rye, NY is now in Europe...

      Zoom out at the location that is linked to and it is in Holland.

    19. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is pretty clear that what is shown here is not a seam. At least, if it were, it would be a rather strange shape (notice how the road leading diagonally southeast splits - that area is blurred, but the surrounding area is not).

      Perhaps they issued a DMCA takedown notice with the idea that their amusement part is under copyright?

    20. Re:Rye Playland by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Not many people realize the state of New York is actually a small American enclave in the Netherlands.

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    21. Re:Rye Playland by lastchance_000 · · Score: 1

      It looks like that whole image tile was damaged somehow - maybe a corrupt file, recreated from a lower-resolution image. Caretakingly hand-crafted in MS Paint, perhaps?

    22. Re:Rye Playland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had no idea Rye, New York was in Amsterdam! Thank you Karma Whore!

    23. Re:Rye Playland by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      Zoom out at the location that is linked to and it is in Holland.

      Zoom in and it is also Holland. Or if you don't zoom! I suspect this strange effect is caused by the top secret installation that is blurred there.

    24. Re:Rye Playland by Mark+Hood · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone thought of the children?

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  9. All wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get this off the front page, go to TFA are click the links they are indeed blurred out.

    Do we have any filtering process here at all? its not just wrong summary, its completely wrong.

    1. Re:All wrong by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 1

      Do we have any filtering process here at all? its not just wrong summary, its completely wrong.

      Maybe you should do some filtering yourself; not all of the items are linked to Google Maps.

      This one for Boston is linked to Google, but I can't find a blurry area anywhere near the coordinates, though I'll admit I have no clue wtf a natural gas terminal looks like. FTA:

      Liquid Natural Gas Terminal in Chelsea, Mass. and a Large Portion of an Industrial Port Area in Boston: Both of these areas are blurry on Google Maps.

  10. Outdated by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

    The Whitehouses roof used to be blanked out with matte tan. Now it isn't. The pentagon also used to be blanked out. I looked at these locations myself a long time ago. More recently I was surprised to see them unblanked.

    1. Re:Outdated by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe it is still blanked by something more plausible?

    2. Re:Outdated by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      Maybe they realized that Washington and the surrounding area contain several tall structures that a potential terrorist could use to take pictures of the roofs of the buildings in questions without having to go through an internet service.

      Or if you're the paranoid type, maybe they made them clear again but got Google to report anyone who looks at them, so they can feed that into their data mining programs.

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    3. Re:Outdated by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing USGOV asked them to sensor all "sensitive areas" 'pending review', and finally decided there was nothing worth blocking.

    4. Re:Outdated by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      The White House roof is said to be a photoshop to mask the sniper and MANPADS emplacements up there. They probably have some sexy antennas up there for COG and secure coms.

    5. Re:Outdated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen reported in various places that instead of blurring an area, Google can use either an outdated image or a more "generic" image. For instance, there are likely some sort of air defenses on the roofs of the White House and Pentagon, but they've been removed for GIS information's sake.

    6. Re:Outdated by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 1

      > The White House roof is said to be a photoshop to mask the sniper and MANPADS emplacements up there.

      See, I find this bizarre.

      What exactly do they anticipate will happen with the debris of a 200 tonne airliner in the near-impossible case that an FIM-92 could actually cause structural failure?

      Inertia is mean.

    7. Re:Outdated by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      Tom? Tom Clancy, you've made that point enough already, now stop teasing them.

      (Seriously, the use of ground to air defenses around the white house is predicated on attacks by relatively small aircraft. High vulnerability scenarios include organized coup attacks on Marine 1 during take off or landing, probably by attack helicopter, as well as the more prosaic 'some psycho flying a small plane at the oval office and just hoping his target is in the right part of the building at the time' attack. Lone psycho attacks are the ones that get discussed publicly, but some precautions make good sense to prevent an organized takeover, and that's probably why those precautions have been adopted - that's just not made explicit to the general public.)

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    8. Re:Outdated by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      There are at least two (probably more) spots in Washington where a tourist can get up in a tall building and inspect the White House roof visually.

      Last time I did it, there was no evidence of sniper or MANPADS emplacements. In fact the whole roof was quite boring.

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    9. Re:Outdated by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      I've never seen any air defenses on either building. It's not exactly hard to get into a position where you can see the roofs of these buildings by eye.

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    10. Re:Outdated by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Remember that someone flew a small plane into the White House (almost) during the Clinton administration.

      http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N40/crash.40w.html

      There were breakouts conducted at the Marion Ill. Supermax during the 80s with a helicopters, so I'm sure that scenario, along with the Secret Service's penchant for planning and a history of lone nutjob attacks on Truman, JFK, Ford, the Capital, Reagan, Clinton made Redeye and Stingers a part of the arsenal long before 9-11.

  11. Well it's not like they probably have much choice by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    I doubt Google censors things unless they have to. While I rather have nothing censored I suspect they're, unfortunately, forced to censor some areas.

    Unfortunately people are too thick to realise that terrorists would probably visit the area they want to bomb to scope it out rather than visit google maps.

  12. The Truth of it all is.... by Neffirithion · · Score: 5, Funny

    Post removed for being in violation of Patriot Act

    1. Re:The Truth of it all is.... by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Funny

      <Parent removed due to violation of a National Security Letter>

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    2. Re:The Truth of it all is.... by gwbennett · · Score: 0

      They took my dad! :'(

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    3. Re:The Truth of it all is.... by wdef · · Score: 1

      A concussed monkey wing has just been opened at Guantanamo Bay to house all suspected terrorist concussed monkeys.

    4. Re:The Truth of it all is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post removed due to sheer idiocy.

    5. Re:The Truth of it all is.... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I hate explaining my jokes, but I head meant that the actual parent was removed, as in killed.

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  13. But does Google Street View steer clear of Obama? by theodp · · Score: 4, Interesting
  14. hmmm by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it odd how the Perry nuclear power facility in Lake County, Ohio was sensitive enough to be blurred for the longest time but Davis-Besse and Fermi just up the coast of Lake Erie were not.

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  15. Dick Cheny's residence, by ridgecritter · · Score: 1

    the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC, is most def degraded both on Google Maps and Google Earth. Dunno about the others, Dick's house is my test case for these image obscuration issues.

  16. Ramstein airbase is whited out by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I discovered today that Ramstein airbase in Germany (hugely important to US) is "whited out". At first I just thought it was a really big building, then I thought white concrete surfacing. Finally I realized that it was blacked out, but they tried to make it look like it wasn't. They even threw in a a few fake aircraft and shadows, but didn't quite make it past the uncanny valley. It's just a matter of time until they perfect the fabrication of imagery for those locations.

    See for yourself; that ain't real.

    1. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I discovered today that Ramstein airbase in Germany (hugely important to US) is "whited out". At first I just thought it was a really big building, then I thought white concrete surfacing. Finally I realized that it was blacked out, but they tried to make it look like it wasn't. They even threw in a a few fake aircraft and shadows, but didn't quite make it past the uncanny valley. It's just a matter of time until they perfect the fabrication of imagery for those locations.

      See for yourself; that ain't real.

      Not to mention the shadows are different between the planes on the real tarmac (left hand side) and those in the whiteout area (center)

    2. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I think someone just used a magic wand type tool and then maxed out the saturation.

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    3. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by icejai · · Score: 1

      All the roads surrounding the airport are all messed up as well; almost none of them match up with the pictures. And, they're all labelled "Flugplatz".

    4. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1
      It appears that it is a construction site. Look at this one:

      Huntsville Alabama airport runway extension

      See how the runway ends, goes through a field and then re-appears after the construction? I think the airbase is a victim of stitched together imagery that joins two photos taken at different times.

    5. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, here is another photo:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RamsteinAB.jpg

      Looks to me like there is a lot of pavement.

    6. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Flugplatz" is German for "airport" -- those roads are all unnamed roads which are part of the airport. This also explains while some of them don't match up perfectly between the map and the photos. Private roads are rarely mapped perfectly (although really, I think they match up pretty well for the most part).

    7. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by jm4 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the base is camouflaged? They've been doing that sort of thing for a very long time. I remember seeing some pictures of an old base that was covered to look like a small neighborhood. That makes more sense to me than some Google censorship conspiracy. Besides, censoring Google Maps in this way hardly makes sense since because anyone wanting to see a detailed picture of the base could get it from some other source that could not be persuaded to censor it. It's much safer to disguise the base itself. I imagine there are many satellites controlled by quite a few countries that are capable of taking pictures at least as detailed as this.

    8. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Toll_Free · · Score: 1

      If you look very close, you can see that it's an image superimposed. Google didn't even try to hide that fact, it's watermarked.

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    9. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Eil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, but that sounds like conspiracy talk. To me, the white area looks like just a big newly-constructed concrete ramp. I've been seen and been to a lot of airports, so I know what a ramp looks like.

      If you look at the top and bottom, you see areas that are still under construction. Some taxiways and even portions of the runway are bright white. What possible reason reason could they have for "whiting out" the runway's threshold and blast pads? The overall white area doesn't look anything like a building and all the actual buildings are arranged around it, just like any other airport. If you scroll around a bit, you'll see other areas that are nearly white but plainly older because they have streaks of gray running through them.

      Back in the day, I understand that satellite photos used infrared to generate fairly visually-accurate monochrome images of the ground. On those, thick forests and bodies of water should show up black while roofs and roads would be a lot lighter. I would take a wild guess that the satellites which capture images these days use infrared to enhance the visible light photo and brand-new concrete reflects a whole bunch of the sun's infrared back at the camera. This oversaturates that area on the picture and makes objects on the concrete difficult to see. But that's just a theory. I'd appreciate hearing from someone who knows how it really works.

    10. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by pz · · Score: 1

      Also, here is another photo:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RamsteinAB.jpg

      Looks to me like there is a lot of pavement.

      Yeah, I think the GP post is looking for a conspiracy where there isn't one. If you look at the Google version in the GP post, lots of other buildings' tops are saturated out by overexposure. The large expanse of saturated white with hints of shadow in question matches very nicely to, as the parent post put it, "a lot of pavement," or, maybe, a lot of concrete pavement. No trickery involved, just a badly exposed photo in the Google map.

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    11. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Based on the wikipedia photo from May it looks like the google map photo is very old. At first look, I thought they had to be two entirely different airports based on a similar design. But there are small sections here and there that seem to indicate it is in fact the same airport, but with several large capital projects separating the two photos.

      Based on looking in the NY metro area I thought most of the photos in Google maps were between 5-10 years old, but I guess they have more up to date photos around these parts than they have of Germany.

    12. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some of the newer bases, like the US CENTCOM complex in Qatar was designed to be low-observable from recce, electro-magnetic and optical. There are some good photos from back in '02 on globalsecurity's site under public eye.

    13. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Moskit · · Score: 1

      It's _not_ a new-constructed ramp or fresh concrete.

      "White-out" technique is used on other airports as well:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=warszawa&ie=UTF8&ll=52.237051,21.020966&spn=0.386015,0.98877&z=10&om=1

      The funny thing is that you can get the same area in much higher resolution (air-photos instead of satelite) on other sites.

    14. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 1

      I've been seen and been to a lot of airports, so I know what a ramp looks like.

      Good for you! So do I. Now, come on, do you really think the location I pointed out is such a case? Look hard before rushing to defend your "+5" position.

      Meh, whatever, I'm going back to watching Sara Benincasa videos.

    15. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Also, there's some rather bad stitching.

      I don't think it looks like that in real life. The bad stitching extends for a bit to both sides. It appears that either there has been a huge amount of construction in the area or someone screwed up making the pictures fit.

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    16. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      Well, if it's just a concrete airport ramp, then why are all the nearby streets called "Flugplatz"? Why is the US Government covering their European air bases with Flugplatzes? It must be some dutch word for "censored" or something.

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    17. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is an example that I am 100% positive is painted over with fake data. The airport in Ithaca, NY. I've been there and guarantee you that what you see in Google maps is not exactly reality. You can even tell it's been processed.

      http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=42.489038,-76.458803&spn=0.005483,0.008969&t=h&z=17

    18. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by jschrod · · Score: 1
      I don't know if you want to be funny, but for other readers who don't know German: "Flugplatz" is the German word for "airport".

      And it may well be that the streets there are really named Flugplatz, it is not uncommon to name a street that leads to a site that way. I don't know since I don't live in that area and have never been to Ramstein air base itself.

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    19. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Eil · · Score: 1

      Dude, get a grip. If you're talking about this airport (you didn't link directly to an airport so I had to scroll around for it), then it's an even better example of what I'm talking about. You can even see everything on this ramp because the white isn't as intense as Ramstein's obviously newer ramps.

      I suppose it's theoretically possible that they've added some kind of infrared-reflecting coating to the ramps to make the planes on them harder to see on satellite photos (if so, it didn't help much) but these photos were definitely not digitally altered after the fact.

    20. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The construction site is pasted over the old airport at the northern end, with the old airport showing obvious post editing fuck ups. Look at the roads that end in blurs. Either they are covering up the airport, or whoever was in charge of placing the images screwed up big time. I think that one blurry object at the north east area was from the edge of the negative. What they could have done here is taken the photo from a plane, than scanned it into the database where they had to brighten it, thus whiting out certain areas. Also, all the roads have the same name everywhere except outside the airport...

    21. Re:Ramstein airbase is whited out by Moskit · · Score: 1

      Got a grip :-)

      Apologies for the link. Looking around cities in places where something new is being built, I found a few more examples of such white areas that would suggest fresh concrete. If "censored" theory is right, then at the airports it doesn't really make sense that only some areas seem to be whitish, while ramp parts right next to them aren't. Also "whiteout" levels are various, as you have pointed out.

      I do agree with the fact that this has to do with infrared (as you pointed out), probably including more materials than fresh concrete (although all seem to be connected to building sites).
      Just right to the previous airport there is an area of rubble that is white. At the time of photo this was preparations for construction site for a road/viaduc, actually just some dirt roads and piles of building materials (sand etc). Either dirt surface, or the rubble material itself must have contributed to the "whiteness":
      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=warszawa&ie=UTF8&om=1&ll=52.163732,20.986054&spn=0.003139,0.007414&t=k&z=17
      Next one is a temporary parking in a place where buildings were torn down. They've made a rough flattened surface out of the rubble and laid a temporary gravel surface on it. Something must have been in the gravel/rubble:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=warszawa&ie=UTF8&om=1&t=k&ll=52.1843,21.001117&spn=0.003138,0.007414&z=17&iwloc=addr

      PS: thanks for constructive, informative posts!

  17. I think something's wrong with my browser... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    I tried reading the Google cache of your post, but it was blurry.

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  18. Ah, böwakawa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    poussé, poussé

    1. Re:Ah, böwakawa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's spelled "pussy".

  19. It's not all nefarious by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    It's not all due to nefarious Google-Corporate-Conspiracy. I know you guys like to think it's all one big giant conspiracy to keep nerds from ruling the Earth, but it's not true. Close up Google views are from airplane photos, not satellite photos. If airplanes can't fly over an area then you don't get good pictures of it. If the airplane photos belong to the government and they don't include them in the database, you don't get good pictures of it. It's as simple as that for most things. If something is deliberately obscured you can tell.

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  20. Slashdot-brand blur by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    I tried a couple toward the bottom of the list. The train station in White Plains, NY is indeed blurred, as is the GE campus in Schenectady.

    Some locations in the vicinity of Goonhilly Downs in England used to be blurred, but they aren't any more. You might expect this from countries with different ideas on security and privacy, but places like Buckingham Palace and Vauxhall Cross show up just fine, and you can count how many subs are moored in Polyarnyy.

    ...laura

    1. Re:Slashdot-brand blur by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      So is the Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory:
      http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=42.82034,-73.86572&z=17&t=S

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  21. Debunking the Debunking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry O.P., but the myth...isn't. There are indeed places that are modified in Google maps imagery. Rooftops. Fields. Odd places that you wouldn't notice if you didn't know where to look and what's actually there. Great article though...really compelling.

  22. New York State blurs by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

    New York State blurs tank farms, but you can see the blurring on their imagery, so no, it's not Google.

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  23. digg post somthing untrue? by timmarhy · · Score: 1

    NEVERZ!

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  24. There are sites that are blurred... by cvtan · · Score: 1

    I work at Eastman Kodak in Rochester, NY. Kodak Park is blurred in Google maps satellite view and I assume in Google Earth. Check out 1999 Lake Avenue Rochester, NY.

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    1. Re:There are sites that are blurred... by Toll_Free · · Score: 1

      Are you on dope?

      Comes up nice and clean on Opera lol.

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    2. Re:There are sites that are blurred... by RowD1 · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't. Zoom in and you can see the blur line where it crosses the parking lot. On one side, you can see the parking striping and individual lights; on the other at highest magnification, gray fuzz.

  25. I wonder... by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Has anyone checked to see if all the good pubs are blurry? Maybe with a touch of double-vision and a few pink elephants? Also, if blurry images are proof of national security concerns, the sheep in New Zealand must be Above Top Secret to produce some of the limitations there.

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  26. Here are some known censorings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    From http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/business/yourmoney/15techno.html?ex=1124164800&en=cc2fc070fabda25b&ei=5070&oref=login

    "NOW, a promised final word about Google's aerial views. Last month, I mentioned that one small part of the American land mass was obscured in an unusual way. It's not the headquarters of the C.I.A., which is there in such detail you that can tell the color of cars in the parking lots. Nor is the mystery zone a dam or a power plant. Some are clearer than others, but the differences result from varying quality of satellite photographs from place to place.

    True, the roofs of the White House and two neighboring buildings have been Photoshopped, to conceal whatever protective systems may be up there. And the view of the United States Capitol grounds is blurry, though the contours of the main buildings are distinct. But to see what real camouflage looks like, zoom in on the satellite view of 1 Observatory Circle in Washington. That's where Dick Cheney lives."

  27. Dear Google, Please Obscure My Country's Top Secre by MrSteveSD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    chemical weapons factory. I hope that the hidden area on the map doesn't drawn anyone's attention. And therein lies the problem with obscuring secret locations on maps. The mere act of obscuring it announces it.

  28. Niagara Falls by Inominate · · Score: 1

    The Niagara Falls power station and reservoir DID used to be blurred out. After seeing this article, I checked again and it is clear as day. Some corporate/government drone probably just adjusted the rules of what needs to be censored and what doesn't.

    If censorship of google maps images is a myth, then so are evolution, global warming, and the round earth "theory".

    1. Re:Niagara Falls by mcguirez · · Score: 1

      Look closer - it is indeed blurred out. Well... painted out. It's a more effective camouflage.

      Zoom all the way in and compare the detail to the cemetery which lies just to the north.

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  29. Conspiracy indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like his whole server was disappeared.

  30. There is a Sydney harbor bridge crash in earth by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    There is a Sydney harbor bridge crash in earth just zoom in and try to go up it.

  31. Propaganda piece of an article by jonfr · · Score: 4, Informative

    This article is BS. As anyone how bothers to see there are places on google earth that are blurred or cut out and replaced with green fields.

    Here are two examples.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=52.109911,4.326597&ie=UTF8&ll=52.109912,4.326596&spn=0.00456,0.009549&z=17&iwloc=addr
    http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=53.2232,5.754861&ie=UTF8&ll=53.223199,5.754862&spn=0.01778,0.038195&z=15&iwloc=addr

    1. Re:Propaganda piece of an article by kisielk · · Score: 1

      It's not blurred, it's just a new style of impressionist architecture.

    2. Re:Propaganda piece of an article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then there's the unexplained pixellation of part of Amsterdam Harbour: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=ip3+0nh&ie=UTF8&z=16&om=1

    3. Re:Propaganda piece of an article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      They aren't replaced with green fields, they are blurred by applying a polygon filter, so there are hints of the underlying image. The first one is applied to 2 neighborhoods, the second one to an airport, both in the Netherlands.

      What is so special about these two locations is a legitimate question.

      The second one is easily understandable. It is a small airport just to the NW of Leeuwarden that doesn't appear on the map view either, and that corresponds to Leeuwarden Air Base -- i.e., it's military.

      The first one is not so obvious. The two "blurred" areas don't look much different from other built-up areas in the neighborhood. But click on the "More" button in Google Maps and the Wikipedia button and you'll discover that the NE area is the site of the NATO Consultation, Command and Control Agency. I expect the area to the SW is related.

      The article is indeed nonsense. There are plenty of areas that are obfuscated in Google Earth for reasons that are fairly clear.

      What would be interesting is to catalog all of them in Google Earth as "places 'they' don't want you to see", and try to find the places that can't be easily accounted for.

    4. Re:Propaganda piece of an article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This article is BS. As anyone how bothers to see there are places on google earth that are blurred or cut out and replaced with green fields.

      Here are two examples.

      http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=52.109911,4.326597&ie=UTF8&ll=52.109912,4.326596&spn=0.00456,0.009549&z=17&iwloc=addr
      http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=53.2232,5.754861&ie=UTF8&ll=53.223199,5.754862&spn=0.01778,0.038195&z=15&iwloc=addr

      This article is BS. As anyone how bothers to see there are places on google earth that are blurred or cut out and replaced with green fields.

      Here are two examples.

      http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=52.109911,4.326597&ie=UTF8&ll=52.109912,4.326596&spn=0.00456,0.009549&z=17&iwloc=addr
      http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=53.2232,5.754861&ie=UTF8&ll=53.223199,5.754862&spn=0.01778,0.038195&z=15&iwloc=addr

      Yet, the same places are clearly visible on maps.live.com. 1st one is some building, 2nd one is an airfield.

    5. Re:Propaganda piece of an article by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of areas that are obfuscated in Google Earth for reasons that are fairly clear.

      What are the clear reasons? By blurring these overhead images, does it make the job of terrorists more difficult? Instead of hitting these targets with orbiting kinetic weapons, they have to resort to truck bombs? The deal is, any entity that is going to mount an offensive on these installations is going to do it in such an unsophisticated manner, that aerial photographs are unneccessary. Information about these installations can be captured via field reconnassaince anyway.

      Seth

    6. Re:Propaganda piece of an article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truth. There was an article a year or so ago, that made it to slashdot, where Google admittedly states their compliance with the US military in blurring or removing sensitive areas. Where's the Streisand Effect for this?

  32. Cite a source... by Shandalar · · Score: 1

    You're going to have to cite sources on the 'requirement' and 'federal law' claims. Many companies buy satellite imagery from Russian companies, so what exactly is this law and who is the burden on?

    1. Re:Cite a source... by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're going to have to cite sources on the 'requirement' and 'federal law' claims. Many companies buy satellite imagery from Russian companies, so what exactly is this law and who is the burden on?

      I wonder how many russian satellites have good coverage of the United States. Geostationary satellites wouldn't have good coverage (at least for map-making of the United States, since they're following the equator and would view the United States at an angle). The russian satellites on the Molnya orbit wouldn't have very good coverage either (at least for anything Naval in the United States, scroll down to see their coverage map, besides they're very high and probably wouldn't get good detailed pictures)

      Now, I don't doubt that the russians have many low altitudes geosynchronous satellites that are designed especially to have good coverage of the United States, but I wouldn't be surprised if those satellites are mostly military spy satellites (of Russia, France, or wherever), and that due to the military purpose of those satellites, that their images don't get sold on the public open market yet.

      In any case, here is a newsletter from google talking about their sources for imagery.

      [...]

      Most people are surprised to learn that we have more than one source for our imagery. We collect it via airplane and satellite, but also just about any way you can imagine getting a camera above the Earth's surface: hot air balloons, model airplanes - even kites. The traditional aerial survey involves mounting a special gyroscopic, stabilized camera in the belly of an airplane and flying it at an elevation of between 15,000 feet and 30,000 feet, depending on the resolution of imagery you're interested in. As the plane takes a predefined route over the desired area, it forms a series of parallel lines with about 40 percent overlap between lines and 60 percent overlap in the direction of flight. This overlap of images is what provides us with enough detail to remove distortions caused by the varying shape of the Earth's surface.

      The next step is processing the imagery. We scan the film using scanners capable of over 1800 DPI (dots per inch) or 14 microns. Then we take the digital imagery through a series of stages such as color balancing and warping to produce the final mosaic for the entire area.

      We update the imagery as quickly as we can collect and process it, then add layers of information - things like country and state borders and the names of roads, schools, and parks -- to make it more useful. This information comes from multiple sources: commercial providers, local government agencies, public domain collections, private individuals, national and even international governments. Right now, Google Earth has hundreds of terabytes of geographic data, and it's growing larger every day. And that's not counting the extraordinary "open source" projects people have built to enhance it.

      Yes, some parts of the world are still blurry. But in the ten years since the idea for the project was planted, the momentum behind it has only grown exponentially.

      http://www.google.com/librariancenter/articles/0604_01.html

    2. Re:Cite a source... by zmollusc · · Score: 4, Funny

      russians have many low altitudes geosynchronous satellites

      Damn Reds and their lack of respect for physics!

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    3. Re:Cite a source... by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > I wonder how many russian satellites have good coverage of the United States.

      Since 1992 it has been possible to purchase Resurs and Kometa imagery of the US through the state company Soyuzkarta. This required the declassification of the military Kometa's cameras - a 10-metre resolution topo and a 2-metre resolution mapping camera.

      One of the first customers, and one which has been a reliable repeat customer, was the USAF. They used imagery of Washington to plan General Dolittle's cortege.

    4. Re:Cite a source... by dramaley · · Score: 0

      There's no reason you can't have a low-altitude satellite that is also geosynchronous. It is just going to take a lot of fuel to keep it in that orbit. Namely, it will need a constant thrust pointed at the Earth to keep it from falling. The fuel requirements make it unfeasible to have such a satellite remain in place for more than a few minutes with current technology, but that doesn't mean it is physically impossible.

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    5. Re:Cite a source... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No such thing as a 'low orbit geosynchronous satelite'. To be geosynchronous you have to be at an altitude of approx 23,000 miles.

    6. Re:Cite a source... by zmollusc · · Score: 1

      Oooh! I was playing with a kite the other day, little knowing it was a satellite. :-)

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  33. Re:Dear Google, Please Obscure My Country's Top Se by ramul · · Score: 1

    Who says they havn't obscured the actual secret locations with a generic terrain type overlay...

  34. Images are sensored by navtal · · Score: 1

    I dont know if it is censored by Google or by those taking the images. But the pictures of Urbana Illinois have never been updated. Do a search see and for yourself. Why? Probably because the University of Illinois has a significant percentage of DARPA research money. Or not. Seriously. Look for yourself. Notice the neighboring town of Champaign does have updated imagery.

    1. Re:Images are sensored by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Well, naturally. It is, after all, the location of the HAL plant. Sheesh.

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    2. Re:Images are sensored by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      We haven't needed to keep that secret for seven years now.

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  35. /. this! by alisson · · Score: 1

    This article is part of a government conspiracy!

  36. Must be new here. by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

    Must be new here.

    ...considering his uid is HALF that of yours...

    1. Re:Must be new here. by JanneM · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...considering his uid is HALF that of yours...

      He's getting senile.

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    2. Re:Must be new here. by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 1

      What were we talking about again?

  37. Says the man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..with a 1.3M UID.

    It must be fall, the irony is delicious this time of year!

  38. What's the big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get the big deal about censoring photos of military installations.

    Look, I'm as anti-censorship and pro-civil rights as there can be. There should be full transparency in the way government operates - everybody should be able to scrutinise every government meeting, deal, or what have you, that goes on. And it shouldn't be up to a stupid alaskan governor deciding to make her government conduct a matter of public records when she deems there to be "significant government business" in her private emails.

    That doesn't mean everyone needs access to aerial or satellite photographs that show centimetre-level detail of military institutions. What public interest is served by this?

    I'm not going to be stupid and say "BUT THE TERRORISTS WILL WIN IWTH THIS INFO1!!@!#@!#@!" as a reason to withhold these pictures. But what reason is there to release them? How is the public interest harmed by not releasing them?

    Censorship is stupid and shit and I hate it, but come on, complaining about this is ridiculous. Shall we install webcams in the presidents toilet so we can make sure his turds conform to all presidential regulations and standards, and that he isn't using excessive toilet paper? (If McCain gets in, I expect this to be the case.)

    Perspective please.

    1. Re:What's the big deal by argent · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean everyone needs access to aerial or satellite photographs that show centimetre-level detail of military institutions. What public interest is served by this?

      How else are we supposed to locate the secret alien technology?

  39. North Norway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The American early warning systems that are based here (we are close to russia) are all blurred out, so the article is a plain lie.

  40. Definitely NOT a myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a myth, it's just that they must have changed their policy about 3 years ago.

    I know because my wife works at a "such a place" and it used to be the entire area neatly read "no data for this area", despite the surround area being visible. It was quite clearly "cordoned off" at the time.

    Not so now, sort of surprising.

  41. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes - Maps.Live link by michaelhood · · Score: 0, Troll

    More visible on a maps.live.com shot taken from a plane.

  42. If you believe this is censorship, by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    please tag the article as "damagecontrol". I already did.

  43. Oswego NY Nuke plant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right on the shore of Ontario, just north west of oswego, ny, Very careful job, you can look up the originals at cryptome. Made to look like it wasn't done

  44. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes - Maps.Live link by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are all taken from planes no matter what service you use.

  45. Catawba Nuclear Power Plant by Fishbulb · · Score: 1

    Was clear a couple years ago, then got pixelated, but now it's half-and-half:
    http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=lake+wylie,+sc&ie=UTF8&ll=35.051649,-81.070637&spn=0.004479,0.006759&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr

    Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

  46. A god way to find important buildings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that thinks this is a good way to tell everyone where the important/secret installations are. I am just waiting for someone to automatically scan the maps for all these areas.

    1. Re:A god way to find important buildings by stoofa · · Score: 1

      A god way to find important buildings

      Being able to spin the earth around with just a mouse and peer down on the world certainly is a very god way of finding important buildings.

  47. Live Earth doesn't have this issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the places that are blurred on google show up fine at maps.live.com

  48. TFA IS FUD by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

    As some people report, some of the places are blurred and pixelated.

    Debunking would need a full around inspection, on as well lesser known censored locations. So in other words this Debunking article is *FUD* and by far an incomplete investigation to the matter.

    Furthermore, it is in google's best interest that censorship is considered a myth / urban legend.

    I've myself seen even in Finland a censored location.

    1. Re:TFA IS FUD by fatphil · · Score: 1

      A few years a go I remember finding a blurred out location in Finland, I think it was simply a nuclear power station part way up the western coast, and wondering what possible reason there could be for blurring it. What locations in Finland have you found blurred?

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    2. Re:TFA IS FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either you have no idea what "FUD" is or you have no idea what the article says. "FUD" is what's spread about companies by astroturfing little trolls like you.

      Saying "hey, lets be reasonable here, most likely those images were already censored or in some cases just paranoid misunderstandings" will NEVER be FUD, and you're a fucking moron for suggesting so. Die in a fire.

      Sincerely,
      -Anonymous Coward

    3. Re:TFA IS FUD by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      in southern finland, i heard it was somekind of military base. That censor was masked as corrupted image data (black areas etc. garbage which made it look like data is corrupted), a friend found it

  49. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes - Maps.Live link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isnt it a sin for a /.er to use a Micro$oft service?

  50. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes - Maps.Live link by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    Yes, it is also a sin for anyone to bad mouth Linux.

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  51. What about when Google posts higher res images... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

    Of secure sites?

    I'm a military historian, I do alot of stuff about Israel/PA/Iraq/Afghanistan. I'm found it interesting that in say Iraq, the cities will be of a medium resolution, but large American bases will be at the highest resolution. So if one wants to see where the SOCOM copters generally park or where the barracks areas are laid out at Balad, there you go.

  52. Looks legit to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=53.2232,5.754861&ie=UTF8&ll=53.223199,5.754862&spn=0.01778,0.038195&z=15&iwloc=addr

    Who doesn't make a point of stopping by the "giant blocky brown blob" while they're in the Netherlands?

  53. Barbara Streisands home? by tomrud · · Score: 1

    What about Barbara Streisands home in California, is that blurred?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

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  54. Not myth, but perhaps a change in attitude? by jbroom · · Score: 1

    The Miami "Nap of the Americas" is a rather large building in downtown Miami which houses a LOT of interconnects which are quite important for global connectivity (netwrok, internet, telephony). It also houses one of the root servers. One of the floors belongs in its entirety to some combination of NSA/CIA/FBI and is offlimits unless you have some high authorization clearance.
    The whole building is rather impressive in its capabilities, redundancy, etc...
    Of visual interest, perfectly visible from the ground (though you have to be a distance away), are three very large "ping pong balls" each of somewhere between 8-15m in diameter which house three large parabolica antennas (sat-dishes), lovingly referred to as the BFD's (Big F Dishes).
    Out of curiosity, from a few years back, I thought I'd use GMaps and/or GEarth to see what they looked at from above, as the Miami area was quite high-res. I was surprised to find that they were not there... In fact, I thought that I had the wrong address and spent a long while searching. When I finally came to the conculsion that it was the CORRECT place, and had a more detailed look at it, it was clear that the whole roof had been "cut 'n paste" from a boring part of it. It wasn't due to an old image which had been taken prior to the dishes, as there was no AC equipment either, and it was quite obvious that certain features were repeating (from the cut'n paste), in addition to lacks of continuity.
    Every now and then I'd go back to the image with a smile on my face to confirm it was blanked out. At the same time, I think it was the competing imagery system from Microsoft was showing the balls.
    Seeing this article, I thought "aha", clear proof, so I pulled it up again... However, now the balls show completely, and the roof is no longer "faked".
    So, what's up then? Change of heart at Google? The decided that censorship was no longer the thing to do? Found that some requirements were ridiculous?
    This one certainly was, because with the NAP itself showing a lovely sky image of itself on its homepage:
    http://www.terremark.com/technology-platform/nap-of-the-americas.aspx
    it's a bit silly to blank out a less revealing sat-image...
    To find it on GMaps/Earth, just type in "Nap of the Americas" and you'll get it.
    Thoughts?

  55. The UK doesn't obscure their installations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The AWE facility at Aldermaston, Hampshire, UK is as clear as any of the surrounding area. That's also true for the Biological and Chemical Weapons facility at Porton Down. GCHQ in Hubble Rd, Cheltenham is the same.

    So the UK don't want to obscure their most secure installations.

  56. read two posts above yours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "high res shots from planes"
    planes are not satellites. planes can be shot down by antiAIRCRAFT missiles (being aircraft).

    low res shots from satellites

    And so the low res version is all that's there because, as you so eloquently put it, satellites don't care about no fly zones.

  57. Example of a pixelated Dutch airbase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This Dutch airport / former airbase has either been blurred out, or grown from a collection of very large crystals:

    http://tinyurl.com/4o9xco

  58. Re:But does Google Street View steer clear of Obam by seriv · · Score: 1

    That case was obvious censorship. Street view was up less than a year ago in Hyde Park, and then it just disappeared once Obama started to look more serious and once the secret service started to ramp up their efforts. Seems like if they are going to destroy an hour or two of work done by an actual person, they would have no problem blurring the work of a quick satellite passover.

  59. Move along, nothing to see here. by Barryke · · Score: 1

    Another one: "Move along, nothing to say here."

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  60. It is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are no fly zones over military installations and the close-up pictures are taken by aircraft. These Aircraft would be shot down for violating the no fly zone so all you get is the satellite image that has nowhere near the same detail. !

    IT is simple.

  61. Wrong by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    Naval Operations Base Norfolk, VA
    Does anyone believe that the Truman, Enterprise, and Roosevelt have been in the same place for the last 3 years? Yet the are tied up at piers 11 & 12 with the Big E in a serious upkeep.
    Pier 22
    Same 4 Submarines
    Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock
    2 more Nimitz class carriers, one in drydock (overhaul/new construction) and one tied to the pier fitting out after launching/overhaul.

    Google has not changed these pictures since google maps added the satellite view.

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  62. Re:Ask Mike Rowe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take this guy's karma. He forgot to post AC.

  63. Copngratulations! by boto · · Score: 1

    Congratulations! The poster was he *first* person ever to fact-check that article! Nobody ever thought of looking the actual places on Google Maps before!

    Of course, the photos on Google Maps are *never* updated, so the facts he has "fact-checked" couldn't have changed.

    And most important of all that: he has found false information on the Internet! That's a huge discovery! This is a so rare event.

    Meh.

  64. Blurry spot in Lexington, KY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link

    AFAIK, these are two houses. It's not a national security concern. Oh, and it used to be less blurry than it is now--you could clearly see two houses, one or more outbuildings, and a pool in one of the back yards. What gives? Anyone know why they're blurred out?

    1. Re:Blurry spot in Lexington, KY by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes bad data is a form of watermarking whose data is being used. Especially the crystal effect.

      At least, so I've heard from a friend who worked for Google. Traditional paper mapmakers have intentional errors (misspellings, paths, etc) as well for the same reasons, so it makes sense.

  65. deliberate blurring or just sloppiness? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    The whole Google Earth and Street View thing is all a bit patchy anyway. For instance, I'm delighted to be able to report that my own address in Perth, Western Australia appears to be in an SEP field. The view from above is a totally amorphous blur, while other properties are rendered quite well. And the newly-rolled-out Street View managed to almost totally miss the street out altogether. The van driver obviously decided that turning around in my little cul-de-sac was too hard, so they just drove past it, leaving the camera pointed in that general direction. I'm not complaining.

  66. looks blurred to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=amsterdam&ie=UTF8&ll=52.373883,4.917798&spn=0.011895,0.02826&t=h&z=16

  67. Speak for yourself... by crashandburn66 · · Score: 1

    I also have noticed military installations being blurred while nearby areas are higher-res. Take, for example, the Fort Knox National Gold Vault. It's barely recognizable as a squarish pixelated gray blob, yet most of the rest of the fort is perfectly visible. I'm not really surprised, after all, there are thousands of tons of solid gold inside that building, so keeping it under wraps makes sense. But the idea that decent resolution satellite images of high-security military installations would be available to the public is blatantly absurd. Ten years ago, the only people with access to satellite images like the ones in Google Maps were government agencies and possibly a few others. Who really thinks that the government is going to hand over aerial pictures without covering its bases first? (pun intended) I don't.

    1. Re:Speak for yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know that the gold is still there?

      Was it ever actually there?

      (OK, tinfoil hat stuff, but....)

    2. Re:Speak for yourself... by crashandburn66 · · Score: 1

      then why are they blurring the pictures? or maybe they want us to think they're hiding it there when they really have it someplace else? haha > isn't conspiracy theory fun?

  68. Area 51... by Deadstick · · Score: 1
    ...doesn't look very pixelated. And there's a clever hack for finding it: go to the "Fly To:" box and type area 51...;-)

    rj

  69. He needs to upgrade his video by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps for him its all blurry....

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  70. Re:Well it's not like they probably have much choi by Artifakt · · Score: 1

    Terrorists would probably do both if possible. An initial 'map' recon via the net, followed up by going there in person, probably multiple times. So, censoring Google images could sometimes make sense. For example, let's postulate a particularly sensitive target in the middle of a larger, secured complex. If the terrorists (or whomever) can't figure out where it is, what roads lead to it, what other buildings might provide good working sites, etc. from Google, their job becomes exaustively probing the entire complex until they know, instead of physically probing only selected parts, which could be much easier or less likely to result in them being caught during the recon phase.
          Of course, some of these images being censored don't make much sense in that light. Uncleared random civilians pass within good observational range of the naval observatory grounds every day, so what would be the point of obscuring some features of number 0, Observatory drive, if those are still physically visible from the roads and public buildings?

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  71. Maine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone else noticed that the entire state of Maine seems to be just as successful in keeping street view out?

  72. GOOGLE HIDES THEMSELVES by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    Open up two more tabs in your browser.

    In tab 1, go to Google maps and type in 3800 Steelhead way, the dalles, Oregon.

    In tab 2, do the same in mapquest.

    In both views turn on the Aerial/satellite view.

    Note: in mapquest, the Google facilities are CLEARLY visible. In Google, they are not. In fact, in the google view, it's nothing but open fields...

    In Google, click on street view, and go northwest along Steelhead until your about midway. Use the mapquest map to check your position relative to the buildings.

    Then turn the google street view camera north, and BINGO - you can see the Google facilities in the distance a couple blocks north, even though they are not visible in the google satellite view.

    Nothing like using Google's surveillance systems against itself. In less fraternal moments, I would call them a bunch of Paranoid Morons, but then I remember - "never attribute evil to a situation where incompetence or stupidity are simpler explanations..."

    Nah - they're paranoid morons... thank god for mapquest...

    RS

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    1. Re:GOOGLE HIDES THEMSELVES by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      Yet, maps.live.com shows the exact same data as Google. Why would they hide Google? Could it just be old?

      Street view is taken much more recently than most sat photos in Oregon.

  73. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes - Maps.Live link by Smauler · · Score: 1

    Who the hell modded this troll? It's still pixelated, just less so. ffs...

  74. google most certainly does obscure things by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    It's not really censorship in this case. It's security.

    For years, google earth obscured the two identical buildings next to the white house.

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  75. My Friend Confirmed Editing by Naznarreb · · Score: 1

    I have a friend who recently got back from a tour of duty in Iraq. He had not heard of Google Earth, so I showed it to him and he wanted to look up some of the bases he was stationed at. He found them, and they were not blurred, but they were empty. There were no vehicles, aircraft or people anywhere. He pointed out what was armored motor pool and said, "That should be full of tanks, there's usually a line of aircraft at either end of the runway." He pointed out the parking lot at the mess hall and rec center that was completely devoid of any cars or people. So, while the image wasn't blurred, it was definitely edited.

    1. Re:My Friend Confirmed Editing by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      Or they were taken at the start of the war and never updated, goofball. These pics aren't in real time.

      My base was the same way. Has been for years.

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    2. Re:My Friend Confirmed Editing by Naznarreb · · Score: 1

      It wasn't that there were fewer vehicles than he remembers, or fewer vehicles than you'd think to see in an active base in the middle of active combat, it's that there were none. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Not so much as a pickup truck parked outside a barracks. No people or any kind of equipment visible at all, in any capacity, anywhere in the base. And BTW, I know the pics aren't in real time.

    3. Re:My Friend Confirmed Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So perhaps the pictures are from when the base was unused?

    4. Re:My Friend Confirmed Editing by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      What I mean is that many of the bases that the Coalition forces are using were previously Iraqi military bases. For example, Balad air base was an active Iraqi air force base before our invasion- sat pictures taken near the beginning of this war show a fully intact but mysteriously empty base. So although the infrastructure of the base was there in the picture, it doesn't mean that Coalition forces had taken up full residence there.

      My shop in Iraq was a Yugo-made steel shed that had bullet holes from Gulf War 1. Kind of interesting, at least from a historical perspective.

      -b

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    5. Re:My Friend Confirmed Editing by Naznarreb · · Score: 1

      Who knew you could actually learn something on Slashdot?

  76. Re:Dear Google, Please Obscure My Country's Top Se by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

    That's why we... er... THEY blur out so many harmless and strategically useless locations. It poisons the data pool when looking for actual 'stuff' that might be important.

    It's almost insulting that the place I work ISN'T blurred out.

    -b

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  77. Re:What about when Google posts higher res images. by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

    As a historian, you might want to stick to history. The Google images for Balad have been incorrect since about 6 months into the war. I've been there several times and planning any kind of attack based on the Google pics would get you no where. There aren't barracks areas; housing is distributed all around the base. SOCOM forces have lots of C-130's, not helicopters.

    Balad airbase is a lot bigger than those Google pics make it out to be. Oh and for the record, those helicopters you see on the southeast runway approach are most likely taxiing towards the runway- they wouldn't be parked that far from cover (it's a 200 yard run to that HAS right next to them).

    There are entire sections of flightline and taxiways that don't show up on Google. Huge buildings (super-walmart-size) that are newer than the google pics. All of those tents and trailers have been moved several times since these photos.

    So I guess what I'm trying to say is that these pics really are ancient history as far as the war is concerned.

    -b

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  78. Darlington Nuclear Power Plant by thepacketmaster · · Score: 1

    I would consider nuclear power plants sensitive, but there's no problem zooming in on Darlington.

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  79. Just look at the Golden Gate Bridge Area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It used to have all of the sea to peruse in high detail... now it's all blurred out except for the shore.

    I, for one, do not welcome our google overlords.

  80. Finding it hard to get outraged here... by mattpointblank · · Score: 1

    I mean, what's the right thing for Google to do here? For one, a ton of people are unhappy in the first place about their imagery appearing on Maps. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Secondly, it's their data, they can do whatever the hell they want with it, surely? They're under no obligation to provide us with an uncensored view of the entire world. If you can't walk into a place as a pedestrian without official documentation etc, then you probably don't need to see it in detail from the air either.

  81. Re:What about when Google posts higher res images. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm a historian, not an image analyst :) Anything high res on a facility of Balad's importance made me wonder.

    Its good to know

  82. Re:Dear Google, Please Obscure My Country's Top Se by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    chemical weapons factory. I hope that the hidden area on the map doesn't drawn anyone's attention. And therein lies the problem with obscuring secret locations on maps. The mere act of obscuring it announces it.

    Precisely, there are many TS & VRK facilities that are protected my anonymity. If they are marked on maps it does not described their use.

    The only drawback of anonymity?

    A friend of mine that lives within 2Km of a very secret gov facility is forever directing delivery trucks to the location of their front gate, because he happens to live where the drivers GPS says the place is located.

    So if you ever want to know where XYZ secret base is, just go there in a truck with a clipboard and ask a local.

  83. Yes and No by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    I looked into Groom "Area 51" Lake a little while back. Comparison of then present and previous pics showed they'd installed a high flow jet fuel system designed for the SR-71, after the SR-71 had been retired. A few other planes could use the system, but none of them made use of cryogenics such as was being installed on the same site. I don't hold with the speculation generated, but it was a damn interesting use of non-censored imagery. The resolution was good enough that you could tell trucks from cars on the roads nearbby.

    OTOH, if I were going to bamboozle unfriendlies who might use such imagery for nefarious reason, I'd simply have Google replace the shot with a photoshopped shot replacing the real version with half turned around and half falsified data. Anyone using Google stuff to infiltrate would find themselves lost and confused and either forced to leave or be very visible wandering around clueless. I know how often they moved around the gutted shell of a B-52 at a SAC base I was at to give spysats the impression there were more planes operational than there were. Don't assume similar trickery stopped with the end of the USSR or that Google wouldn't participate given sufficient nudge nudge incentive.

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  84. I call BULLSHIT! by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:I call BULLSHIT! by Jaazaniah · · Score: 1

      Bullshit confirmed. Also, there ARE several white-out spots on the Niagara river that are visible structures from both river-tracing roads.

      However, world diversity necessitates certain omissions. As much as any country would like to think itself superior, deriving site function with a little background knowledge and a few satellite images is relatively easy. So any geopolitical protection agency worth its weight in salt recognizes the potential to form strategies against critical establishments should detailed global information truly be global. Current enmity from abroad towards the US aside, what could have happened if unedited satellite data were available to everyone in either of the world wars? Or in current conflicts? Knowing how to subjugate people you don't like by taking out key points of their national works is something all national interests are trying to guard against. I'd insert something like wishing for world peace and trust here, but I'm not that naive.

      Space is a pretty high barrier to entry for this kind of data. Even so, that barrier has been getting lower and lower since Sputnik. Though the first private space launch succeeded today, you can bet that there are legal and political strings behind that company's success that dictated some sort of anti-publishing of orbital photos before going through a review board because the nationalists won't let their protections be for naught because the people they are protecting can launch into space themselves. This view may become increasingly outdated or tested as some point in the future when we enter a privateer era of inter-planetary travel, but we may or may not live to see that era.

  85. Re:Well it's not like they probably have much choi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not being horribly stupid however, the first thing to do if there is a terrorist incident (or even a store robbery) is to look at surveillance records for quite some time up to the incident.

    For some bizarre reason, store robbers often find it's a great idea to first walk into a store to have a look around, like lean over the till and such, then put a mask on and return a few hours later.

  86. The definitive reply! by sedonix · · Score: 1

    Oh my, lots to see here! 1. Google Earth maps are not real time and could go back many years. My own town is still caught in 2003. 2. The only reason to obscure anything is to hide a clue on the exterior of the facility, such as military equipment, antennas, planes, etc. We all know where everything is. What we don't know is what they're up to! 3. The highest resolution photo's are satellite and high altitude aircraft. Need I remind you all who owns these. Even the mighty Google Gods cannot attain this level of omniscience.

  87. Re:What about when Google posts higher res images. by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

    If you're interested in Balad, here are the pictures I took the first time around. Nothing too revealing, but you get the general lay of the land.

    http://homepage.mac.com/hylic/vacation/index.html

    Take it easy-

    -b

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  88. Area 51 by Kittenman · · Score: 1
    Surprised no-one has mentioned that Area 51 isn't findable, so it must be censored.

    PS I'm joking

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  89. Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure it's just a myth...and I suppose Google's not in cahoots with the government of China either...

  90. Sing Sing by Le+Marteau · · Score: 1

    is obviously blurred

    Zoom in a bit from there, and it's totally obvious.

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  91. differentiate by rusl · · Score: 1

    it's important to distinguish between what is censored by Google and what is censored by the map provider. But that would be hard to know. I've seen blurred areas in Amsterdam - not sure why. And the roof of the Whitehouse is obviously greyed out the detail. Who do you blame, google or the map maker? There would be a whole chain of links between taking the photo from space and getting to your monitor. And yes, it would make sense to assume they get their maps from more than one source wouldn't it? It looks like a patchwork so I'd be very surprised if it wasn't. I would imagine google would be pretty quick to blur something because otherwise someone might start a trend of suing them or otherwise stop them from doing so well with what is essentially something that doesn't really belong to them (global maps) Perhaps in time more adventurous sites like wikileaks might host the uncensored versions that might exist between updates or from various sources.

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  92. From the article... by stoofa · · Score: 1

    Since Google doesn't own its own fleet of satellites, its only recourse in these cases of deliberate pixelation is to buy more imagery from other sources, which it sometimes does.

    YET! Since Google doesn't own its own fleet of satellites YET.

  93. Re:But does Google Street View steer clear of Obam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go and zoom out on Chicago. You will see a good amount (i would estimate 10-20%) not charted with Street View. I can't say I would blame them. I wouldn't want to drive around in a high tech VW screaming "I'm worth a lot of money!!" on the south side of Chicago either.

  94. Censorship vs. privacy by Rickus+D · · Score: 1

    Now here's something I don't get:

    - If Google pixelates some sensitive government sites, people start yelling that it's censorship and it's bad and how dare they trample on our democratic rights

    - If they drive around with their Street-View mobile, shooting pics of numberplates, front gardens, underpants and men walking into seedy shops, all newspapers are yelling it's a disgraceful intrusion in people's privacy.

    So they can't protect sensitive government information, but they have to make sure they don't embarrass a guy going to his favorite video shop?

  95. Re:Blurry, no; pixelated hell yes - Maps.Live link by michaelhood · · Score: 1

    Clearly a member of the Anti-MS army. I was only saying that the EFFECT OF THE PIXELATION was more noticeable because of the higher resolution of the map I linked to. I can't help that none of the other mapping services offer this type of imagery (the so-called "birds' eye view"), nor should I have to. MS have a superior service here, get over it.

    This place is falling apart.