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Hikers May Have Found Fossett Items
An Anonymous reader writes "CNN is reporting 'A weathered sweat shirt, cash and a pilot license with Fossett's name were found Tuesday near Mammoth Lakes, police Chief Randy Schienle said.' The license did not have a photo. '"We're not certain that it belongs to Steve Fossett, but it certainly has his name on the ID," Schienle said.'"
The body is being kept in a cooler offsite, for a conference tomorrow in California
In other news, a salon discount card with Amelia Earheart's name and picture was found floating in the South Atlantic by a passing schooner.
That's 'cause the ALIENS took 'im.
And they kept the plane.
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some more info here
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fossett2-2008oct02,0,1608495.story
Nothing in any of the reports I've read said anything about the license being "partially burned"... and the hoaxer had so much money laying around he decided he'd add $1,000 to the find?
This is a hoax.
Yeah but who is the hoaxer?
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I had some time to burn so I entered a few things in Google Maps. Here's the best map I could come up with using the takeoff location provided by Wikipedia. There's no option for directions by plane, so I went with the walking option. Anyway ... assuming this isn't some stupid hoax, the point is (if there really is one) that the searches last year were all focused on Nevada if I remember correctly. But from the location being reported and from the map, you can see that the location they're talking about is A) in California, and B) pretty much due south from where Fossett took off from.
To me, that would be an expensive hoax, because that would have to be turned in. If the license turns out to be faked, then it might be an even more expensive hoax if a prosecutor tries to file a suit for perpetrating fraud.
if he jumped out of the plane it's ENTIRELY feasible that they found clothes and his ID, and no "plane parts".
Ok, so a world-renowned pilot takes off in 2,000 pounds of airplane, steel, fuel, and glass, What's found? A partially burned piece of some of the most flammable things on the plane,
Have you seen the remains of the towers on 9/11? It's bizarre what can come out of a catastrophic event.
I'm not saying it's genuine or fake, but your criteria doesn't prove anything either.
Except for this one time...
Nonsense! Everyone knows that aliens use video games to determine the worth of a pilot.
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Ok, so a world-renowned pilot takes off in 2,000 pounds of airplane, steel, fuel, and glass, What's found? A partially burned piece of some of the most flammable things on the plane,
Have you seen the remains of the towers on 9/11? It's bizarre what can come out of a catastrophic event.
I'm not saying it's genuine or fake, but your criteria doesn't prove anything either.
Stewart: "how do you know the twin towers collapsed there?"
Joe: "Well, I found a little plastic card and some chewing gum"
Stewart: "noo.. concrete chunks? no steel fragments?"
Joe: "nope"
Stewart: "with all due respect sir, this structure was several hundred meters tall"
Joe: "It's bizarre what survives a catastrophic event.
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So our hoaxer forges 3 separate IDs, in one case getting all the original information that was on Fossett's FAA card, and adds $1005? That's one heck of a hoax. I suppose you could argue that's he's trying to get a reward from Fossett's rich widow for "finding" her husband's final resting place... but after he couldn't get ahold of the family's lawyers, he went to the police. Seems that would be the last thing a hoaxer would want to do, is get the police and authorities involved; I imagine forging federal IDs is a pretty serious offense. Doesn't make sense.
True, finding the contents of his wallet off on their own is odd... but animals are curious and like to chew on things, especially when they're hungry. In the middle of winter in the Sierra mountains, a bear or fox might decide that a leather wallet was better to eat than nothing and tear the wallet apart for a snack. Bears in particular will eat damn near anything, edible or not.
One little flaw, they may be highly flammable but they are also highly transportable. If the plane EXPLODED, and if the hikers were where it exploded, sure. If he survived and wandered off, they could be miles from where it crashed. Him ditching the wallet and cash I could see, I'd ditch it too if my useless giant fortune sat there mocking me as I die alone in the woods. The sweater doesn't make sense, that would be worth more then gold in that situation.
The other card and money are paper. Pilots licenses are made out of plastic. It wouldn't get wrinkled/dirty like a piece of paper.
Just for the record, FAA pilot information is public and it would be trivial to get all of the information that would appear on Fossett's pilot certificate. However, performing the actual forgery is well beyond simply finding that information, and this doesn't smell like a hoax to me. Also note that an FAA pilot certificate is not ID, or at least not photo ID, as it has no photo on it, just a name. In order to be valid it must be combined with government-issued photo ID. But it's still probably pretty harshly frowned upon to forge it.
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One little flaw, they may be highly flammable but they are also highly transportable. If the plane EXPLODED, and if the hikers were where it exploded, sure.
1) depending on the environment the hikers could have walked within 50 yards from the crash site and not seen it.
2) even if he didn't survive, or died away from the crash site, animals could have wandered off with stuff either from the crash site, or from the site where he passed away.
As someone else said a bear might easily be interested in taking a bite out of a leather wallet, or briefcase. It might also rip through a bag cotaining perhaps a sweater, and then strew its contents of anything it wasn't interested in along it path. Contents which might be moved further by weather or other animals...
He wouldn't be the first person to fake his own death.
;)
Andy Kaufman is a recent one I can think of.
Here's a quick list of some psuedocides. Obviously, it is not very complete though, since Andy Kaufman isn't listed... But I guess this kind of crap really happens. Perhaps, bored with living the life of a millionaire, Mr. Fossett decided to do something exciting, like "die".
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People in the later stages of hypothermia engage in 'shedding' of clothes. They think they are hot so they start taking off articles of clothing, leaving a trail. This is often how rescuers find bodies, by following the trail of clothing to a frozen stiff. This was how they found the husband of the James Kim family who made a wrong turn in California about a year ago. The family stayed in the car while the husband went on walkabout. They followed the trail of clothing to his frozen corpse.
Listen, the plane was going down. I took his money. I lost a backpack on the landing, so I just need to get that money back. You can keep the shirt. Thanks, DB Cooper
15 minutes later old man comes out of lake after a refreshing swim and says, "Hey, who the fuck took my wallet and my shirt!?"
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It's funny both the slashdot summary and CNN note that the police said the pilot's license didn't have a photo.
For good reason. Pilots' licenses don't have photographs. I think the police there have never seen anything like it and are just plain perplexed.
They'll tell you that Fossett was anything but "an amazing pilot". He wasn't exactly a terrible pilot, just nothing better than average, at best. What he did have was a willingness to fund adventures, so long as he was top dog.
His money was greatly appreciated, but the attention-seeking man was merely tolerated. He wasn't hated, but nor was he required, beyond the financial aspect of his participation. But Fossett loved the glory and limelight, so he made it a precondition of funding a venture that he be the public face of it.
Yes, I know this is going to be modded troll and flamebait, but at least I can say that I genuinely "knew" Fossett, and I don't like hearing people such as the OP claiming that Fossett was "an amazing pilot", when the fact is he couldn't have done shit without the help of the other people and pilots he funded.
From the Mammoth Times.
Yawn,I used Google Earth to visit the Minarets and Shadow Lake area. No blue and white trash pile evident to my untrained eye. Then perhaps the Google picture was pre accident 2006. Oh well.
New discovery revives search for Fossett
Wednesday, 01 October 2008
Shortly after noon today, Mono County Sheriff Search and Rescue teams will begin a search for the wreckage of lost air-adventurer Steve Fossett's plane, which went down in the California/Nevada area a year ago September. The search is based on discovery of a sweater and three of Fossett's aviation ID cards in the Minarets on Monday by Preston Morrow, a local hiker who works at Kittredge Sports. The search will begin on the John Muir Trail between Dorothy and Shadow Lakes. Prior searches focused on land east of the Glass Mountains.
The California Highway Patrol helicopter from Fresno will fly in the search teams.
Fossett was declared dead in Feburary of this year.
Last Updated ( Wednesday, 01 October 2008 )
Source: http://www.mammothtimes.com/content/view/94652/1/
Why is it insane to think that the plane crashed for any whatever reason, and the guy survived? Wouldn't be the first person to survive a plane crash. It can take awhile to find a plane when you aren't looking in the right place, especially if the plane had a navigation problem and ended up flying off-course.
Also, he could have survived the plane crash and traveled some distance but didn't get too far due to injuries. If he discovered the lake, it would be certainly possible he cleaned up, drank a little, etc. and left the stuff behind when emptying his pockets and the shirt from perhaps being hot.
It wouldn't be too hard for someone to know what shirt he was wearing the day he left or confirm it was in fact his or not. Might even be able to identify fingerprints on the items if he had any on record or if you checked for fingerprints on his possessions.
No, it's not. The certificate has a small tear taken out of it. The other IDs didn't look to have fared quite as well, but also don't show any obvious burn marks - they're torn, tattered, and dirty. A year of exposure to the elements probably caused all the damage you see to those papers and the bills.
More plausible: He was able to get the plane on the ground, probably destroyed it in the process, suffered significant injuries, and was unable to get help. He may have left some items behind, dropped them, or perhaps his body was disturbed by wildlife. I expect they'll find more evidence upon searching more thoroughly.
He has a knack for that sort of thing.
If the searchers expand their search from the find location, I'll bet they find the crash site.
Real airplane crashes are not like those you see on TV. Not everything explodes on impact. Small planes crashes usually just leave wreckage and carnage. Oh, and they are made of Aluminum, not steel. No sparks to ignite fuel or fumes.
He probably lost power and went down in trees. The trees clip off the wings and the fuselage smashes into rocks or ground.
I actually walked upon a fresh crash site while hiking in the Sierras many years ago. Some other hikers were there when I arrived. I didn't see it going down but noticed a wing embedded in a tree and went to investigate. It was pretty gruesome. 2 dead people and 1 survivor.
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I think the "hoax" crowd neglects the possibility that Fossett survived the crash and walked towards what he thought was civilization. The Lady Be Good" was a US bomber that went down in the desert during World War II. The crew bailed out and some of the survivors walked over a hundred miles in the scorching desert with only a very limited supply of food and water. Perhaps Fossett crash-landed and tried to survive off the land awaiting rescue. He might have became disoriented and left his ID and belongings behind, or even may have sought shelter in some gully and died there.
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Search crews have found some wreckage, apparently. No link because it's only a banner on CNN's website.
Nobody said anything about the findings being burned, partially or otherwise.
Large, bulky items tend to stay right where they were put... Smaller and lighter items get picked up by winds, water (streams, rivers, etc.), etc.
Yes, because the real world is just like the movies... where every crash causes an explosion and a raging inferno, even when the vehicle has run out of gas.
Which is why there are no undiscovered crash sites, since someone always notices the raging inferno... And of course you don't actually find a downed plane, because noting remains after the necessary conflagration...
You are a moron.
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Even more expensive than that 'cos they've faked the wreckage of a small plane near where the other stuff was found.
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They did find wreckage nearby where these hikers found these artifacts:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gfmXbQn-RFLHSjd8_s23ytiM6OVAD93I5P5O0
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>They've already found wreckage [bloomberg.com], so this is basically a sure thing
Having actually searched for, and found, missing persons and aircraft wreckage on the ground in that general location in the Sierras, I can tell you that there are many more undiscovered crash sites than you might believe. The odds are good that it could be any of dozens of aircraft that have gone missing in recent years, including the one that carried Fossett, but not good enough to be a 'sure thing'. This is why they have to go in and make sure.
The hiker, Preston Morrow, said he found an FAA identity card, a pilot's license, a third ID and $1,005 in cash tangled in a bush off a trail just west of the town of Mammoth Lakes on Monday.
I wonder if the hiker bothered to look *up* ?
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The license did not have a photo. "We're not certain that it belongs to Steve Fossett, but it certainly has his name on the ID,"...
Oh yeah we all have "Steve Fosset" written in our pilot licenses, specially the ones that like to go hiking.
Why don't these self-proclaimed journalists don't do some research instead of coping and pasting the Reuters cable?
Do all pilot licenses have a photo?
Did his license had a photo?
Is it in fact a pilot license or they are not sure?
Reiser said Fossett went back to Russia with "some Puerto Rican guy."
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*MY* pilot certificate was printed on a laser printer, in black, in the middle of an 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper. I had to cut it out with scissors and get it laminated. If Fossett didn't bother with the lamination step, it would be pretty easy to DIY.
(I was somewhat annoyed, given that I'd spent $5000 for that bit of paper, that it wasn't just a little fancier.)
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