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Court Rules That Palin Must Save Yahoo Emails
quarterbuck writes "An Anchorage judge has ruled that Governor Sarah Palin must save her emails, as they were apparently used for state business. Last week a Tennessee man was arrested over hacking one of her Yahoo email accounts. The Washington Post also reports that Sarah Palin, her husband, and officials had set up email accounts known only to each other."
I guess you can say that 4chan kid took one for the team.
Had he not gained access (I don't use the word hack because he didn't hack anything) to her email account, this decision may not have come to be.
I guess you can say he took one for the team although that may not have been his original intentions.
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That will put an end to hearing about her in the media I'm sure...
She should just go with Gmail. Google will save her information whether she likes it or not.
Or she'll just claim the emails say the exact opposite of what they actually say, just like she did with the troopergate report.
What do you want to bet she went ahead and cleared out any potentially incriminating emails?
I wonder if Yahoo would be able to retrieve it or if they would even have to.
The greatest revenge in life is massive success.
Until Yahoo gets subpoenaed to pull the email off of the back ups that they haven't deleted yet. Anyway, you could make a strong argument that given the circumstances, deleting the email would be considered destruction of evidence, which a US court _could_ hit you for.
This is the last chance for America to prove it's not totally made up of braindead, religious, nutbag trailer trash. If the GOP steals this one, too..I'm moving to Canada.
I take it the neocons and confused Republicans are out in full force modding today.
Mccain can't even check e-mail, and she used a fucking Yahoo account to do official business.
I wouldn't even do my personal business over Yahoo.
The super-secret one that got haxored? gov.palin@yahoo.com
Will the right-wing treachery know no bounds?
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Why would Palin care to delete any emails, or even try to hide them?
Palin is a young earth creationist. She has no understanding of Evidence.
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why is a government employee sending emails on govt business through a free email account?
Why are taxpayers paying for the states computer infrastructure if she isn't using it?
Of course something dodgy is going on.
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Good sir Ken,
The problem is that she used the personal email for official correspondence, which is not all that legal.
The personal account is required for campaign and private correspondence.
HTH
Now can the Court issue an injunction barring her from using that ridiculously fake and obnoxious accent?
why is a government employee sending emails on govt business through a free email account?
Because it's illegal to send campaign messages, partisan political messages, or e-mails dealing with RNC activities through a government account.
They've already seen boxes of emails from her aides to her Yahoo account. In fact, all but one email was sent to her gov.sarah@Yahoo.com account. That's the account she used for state business. It's not the account that got hacked.
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In 2000, 2004...
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Go on, I dare you.
Emphasis is on NON-WORK
Apparently she used the yahoo box for work too.
I wasn't sure about this earlier, but the court must be able to tell apart work from private mail.
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Not that I'm for the ditz, but isn't everyone entitled to their privacy? Even online.
As in, being free to delete whatever non-work emails come to you.
The problem is that she was using a commercial account for state business, which circumvents the security and accountability of using official state email services. She essentially made state business subject to Yahoo's terms of service rather than the laws of Alaska. Her official email is supposed to be public record, but the state can't access or archive her commercial account.
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Not only was she stupid enough to have her yahoo account password resettable by an outsider, she was stupid enough to conduct state business on this and other non-state-secured e-mail accounts.
I'm sorry, but anyone who doesn't realize that in order to be safe it ALWAYS important to assume that your emails are immediately and fully in the hands of your worst enemies is hopelessly naive. Besides the sketchily legal issue of conducting state business over unsecure email, she also copied her husband on some of it.
Seriously Palin? Talk about it over the dinner table. Sending the email to your hubbie sends it over unsecure servers in the internet proper where they could be read in transit by any number of unruly or dangerous individuals. And that's assuming that she was sending it from a state-secured email on state-secured servers, which she obviously didn't at least some of the time.
The scary part now is that if she were to pull the same stuff in the whitehouse, there would be terrorists and spies trying to get ahold of national secrets, not just the inner workings of a state government. And I think we can all agree that the resources they have at their disposal are frightening.
I'm much happier with her gambling with Alaskan politics than National Security.
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Shouldn't secret communications always be an option?
No, it shouldn't be. Not when a public official is acting in their official capacity. If it's not classified enough so that Yahoo mail wouldn't be a security breach, it's not so classified that the public shouldn't know about it.
And no, I don't buy into the theory that advisers give better advice if the know that the public won't know what they say.
I am officially gone from
Husband children and close aides.
;)
Selective reading clearly shows someone's bias...or lack of comprehension.
that's what McCain meant by "Fellow Prisoners"?
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
Gee golly, that stuff about Guantanamo Bay just didn't need to be known for us honest simple god loving folk. Gosh darnit learning about water boarding has put our country at risk!
Hopefully we'll get good old secret police to operate on their own terms and put this here country back in shape.
Can you please show us a specific e-mail that proves she was conducting government business via a free email service?
Seriously, there are plenty of legitimate criticisms to level at this woman, and this is not one of them. There is no proof.
While there is no proof per se, there is extremely incriminating evidence already available thanks to the so-called 'punk' who is under indictment.
Here is a summary of subject lines and correspondents from said 'personal' account as reported on wikileaks.
Some people have tried to argue that these are not incriminating, some people see pink elephants too.
Subject: Draft letter to Governor Schwarzenegger / Container Tax
From: Ruaro, Randall P (Deputy Chief of Staff)
Subject: FW: Motor Fuel Tax Suspension
From: Meghan Stapleton (Press Secretary)
Subject: RE: Using Royalty Oil to Lower the Cost of Fuel for Alaskans
From: Nizich, Michael A (Chief of Staff)
Subject: Court of Appeals / Executive Director Parole Board / Boards and Commissions
From: Ruaro, Randall P (Deputy Chief of Staff)
Subject: RE: Please approve
From: Ruaro, Randall P (Deputy Chief of Staff)
Subject: Rural Wireless Service
From: McBride, Rhonda (Rural Advisor)
Subject: FW: DPS Employee Draft
From: Ruaro, Randall P (Deputy Chief of Staff)
Subject: Re: DPS Personnel and Budget Issues
From: McAllister, William D (Communciations Director)
Subject: FW: DPS Personnel and Budget Issues
From: Ruaro, Randall P (Deputy Chief of Staff)
Subject: Court of Appeals Nominations
From: Ruaro, Randall P (Deputy Chief of Staff)
Subject: another records request
From: Nizich, Michael A (Chief of Staff)
Subject: RE: Scheduling - Week of 08.10.08
From: Mason, Janice L (Scheduling Assistant
Subject: FW: Capitalizing on coal reserves, Crow Tribe strikes deal for $7B
From: Nizich, Michael A (Chief of Staff)
Subject: Status report
From: Ruaro, Randall P (Deputy Chief of Staff)
Subject: FW: Special session press release
From: Nizich, Michael A (Chief of Staff)
Subject: Followup.
From: Colberg, Talis J (Alaska Attorney General)
Subject: FW: CONFIDENTIAL Ethics Matter
From: Nizich, Michael A (Chief of Staff)
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Um, yeah, about that. Do you mind coming now and voting against our idiots in charge? Or at least helping us mince them to minority? (I like the way that turns out; government oversteps, smacked into elections) ... because if Harper wins a majority I'm moving to the US...
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There was an article here on a bad search warrant that led to a criminal. So it seems, that no matter how badly the process is flawed, the ends justify the means and I think it is appropriate that if every single thing I do is scrutinized in or out of context, then the same should be true for the politicians who are more likely to do a great deal of damage, simply because they control many more resources, that are supposedly owned by everybody.
Thanks, you're on the same brainless and reactionary wavelength as the crazy idiots on the other side screaming "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" whenever Obama is mentioned.
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Except if I do this as a business owner I pay the price in lost profits or efficiency. If I do this as a government official then the cost gets passed on to the taxpayers.
This sort of thing needs to be punished wherever it's found and "everyone does it" is just not an excuse.
A principle of the Information Age: Government is wise to organize itself and its records so it can swiftly and efficiently respond to freedom-of-information-act, open records and similar requests. Resistance to such requests is wasteful and makes government look out-of-touch. Hence, a government agency is prudent to tell employees (like governors) to send all business-related messages (e-mail, text and otherwise) through the agency's central IT system so they can be archived. --Ben
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she has a right to privacy
Sarah Palin the private individual has a right to privacy. Sarah Palin the Governor of Alaska has a responsibility to openness and transparency. I Sarah Palin the Governor of Alaska has been pretending to be Sarah Palin the private individual in order to escape this responsibility, then there is a problem.
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I'm with you here. Lets start with a full investigation into Obama and his various real estate dealings with Resco. Next we can take a look at Clinton and the crooks he pardoned his last day in office. Bush has plenty of his own dealings we can investigate further also.
Your argument is circular: because the invasion of Palin's privacy revealed wrongdoing, there's no invasion of privacy. But the hacker had no way of knowing what he would find. He just broke in on a fishing expedition. That is what makes it an invasion of privacy.
Using your own logic, I have every right to hack into your private files if I think I might find evidence of wrongdoing. Doesn't that wrongdoing negate your right to privacy?
All the NSA/FBI/CIA/ABC SOUP need to do to access our personal data is get some punk kid to hack our accounts. They don't get in trouble themselves, but get to use all of the evidence in court.
Illegally obtained evidence, no matter who does the obtaining, should be banned from the courts. If not, we might as well kiss our 4th Amendment goodbye.
But, as usual, we are almost all blinded by Republican vs Democrat politics so badly that we can scarcely see the threat to our freedoms a foot in front of our faces.
'cuz, unless she was hatching a plot or clearly trying to hide something, I can't bring myself to care. And that's Bad, too. The nasty, nonstop personal attacks on her ever since she was announced as McCain's running mate have numbed me to it all. After the first mischaracterizations and outright lies instantly grew legs and everyone got slap-happy with her record I'm all out of patience with it. Now real stuff comes along and I'm spent unless it's truly nefarious. I'll assume she was a bit lazy about her multiple e-mail accounts like 99% of all other non-geeks until something nasty is found and sustained through public scrutiny.
The "hacker" invaded her privacy, but found wrongdoing. He wasn't right, and she wasn't right. It's not either-or.
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That would be an excellent start. Get it *all* out - Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Al Gore, Cheney, Rumsfeld... expose *all* the lies and secrets. Prosecute the guilty and ensure that their crimes are recorded accurately into history.
If that actually happened, US politics would be infinitely better for it. Even better if transparency was rigorously enforced from now on, through exposing issues like this email thing.
This is true iff the 'hacker' was the only person to do this. That is.. if the email accounts were accessed in a legal way (via court order to Yahoo, for example) then this evidence is freely admissible.
Since they were actually requested by the Alaskan courts, the point is now moot. So to speak.
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And my patience for the last 8 years. I don't need any emails for that.
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I'll make the quote more obvious for you
"...emails on **************govt************** business..."
Got it now?
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She wasn't trading...
The idiot who hacked her account should have "implanted" the evidence, and instead of publicizing his exploit, he should have 'accidentally' forwarded the same from her account to PBS or Newyorker.
Dumb ass.
He shd have acted the same way Rove quashed the records of Bush as Air National Guard leakage.
Silent and deadly.
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why is a government employee sending emails on govt business through a free email account?
Because it's illegal to send campaign messages, partisan political messages, or e-mails dealing with RNC activities through a government account.
Those things aren't government business.
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