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First Official Photos From New Star Trek Movie
Philias Fog writes "The most secret project in Hollywood is finally lifting its skirt. Today Paramount released a number of images for their new Star Trek movie directed by JJ Abrams. Shots include images of the bridge of the Enterprise, the villain Nero, a ship (not the Enterprise) and all of the crew in uniform. TrekMovie.com has a complete set of photos and links to all the new shots."
I can't get over the fact that Zachary Quinto (Sylar) from Heroes is Spock. I keep expecting that the plot will be about a bunch of scalped corpses being found all over the Enterprise.
leaves me wondering why they put a kid in charge of a space ship...
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How on earth can the entire command staff of the Enterprise be that young? They don't require people to have serious experience (time in the field) before they can get to positions of that much responsibility?
An adolescent captain just looks wrong...
At least they got that right in (most) of the other Treks.
Other than that, nice pics; love the angry Spock one
...or were you expecting something closer to the series insofar as ship design is concerned? After seeing the pics of the shuttle (specifically, the control console) I figured that the ship interiors would be tastefully done updates, not complete redesigns.
To get the fans who MUST watch everything under that name ... because they fell in love with something in a previous series / movie / cartoon / book?
So why complain when those same fans complain that X doesn't match the way it was depicted in Y?
If the movie is good enough on its own, then the complaints will be minor nit-picks.
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Bah.
There are rules. Well, mostly. The rules for rec.arts.startrek.* from way back when seem to apply just as well today: if you saw it on the screen, large or small, it's 'canon' -- officially part of the Trek Universe.
Any discrepancies in on-screen material are just blown off as a YATIs -- Yet Another Trek Inconsistency. It's not like a movie and television project that has spanned almost 40 years, 5 television series, about a dozen movies and has had literally hundreds of writers can possibly keep everything consistent. Get over it.
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ST:NG had good uniforms. All the uniforms looks like joggin suits on those shots. No style, no correct tags and rankings etc.
Check out the Star-Trek Next Generation season 5-6 uniforms what example a Jean-Luc Picard had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard
So Spock's not in Pike's crew at this time, and not wearing the older gold/beige uniforms?
Well this pretty much tossed cannon out the window. As well any form of realism. A bunch of friends at the academy then they all get split up for about a decade as they advance in ranks on their own missions. Then they all happen to go back to the same ship.
I find it kinda hard to swallow that Sulu took an additional 25 years to rank captain. Being that he was in the same inner circle, as Captain Kirk and friends.
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It's JJ Abrams, which means we get to start out in the middle of the story, backtrack to "where it all began," and finish up with a fun-filled exciting resolution!
MI:III I'm betting was just a rehash of an unused ALIAS script.
Not that he does bad work, it's just a little repetitive after a while.
Why oh why are they doing a remake of the old generation? I would much rather see something fresh and new. There is no way I will accept this "Spock" as being the Spock I grew up with!!!!!!!!!!
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I assume you're referring to the pic of the shot-up starship. Couldn't the fires be feeding on oxygen escaping from hull breaches?
It looks like High School Space Capades. These kids are way too young and they all look way too much the same. AND William Shatner IS Captain Kirk. There is no way you can cast anybody as Kirk but Shatner. Why even go there? If they want to appeal to new younger croud, then just call it Star Trek: ABC or something. They don't know Kirk anyway. I don't think any trekkies will be happy with that.
I seriously had to check if it was April 1.
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As someone who watched TOS on a black and white 9" TV with a towel under the door to hide the light from my parents (it was on after bed time)...I welcome a "refreshing" of the Star Trek ensemble. The key to success will be the script, not the special effects, a lesson not learned in a few previous Star Trek and most Sci-Fi movies...
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Considering Sulu was running around with Kumar getting stoned on the weekends and escaping from Guantanamo, it's no wonder it took him so long.
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That honestly depends on how good of an actor he is.
I had no idea that I would end up loving Leonardo DiCaprio as much as I do now when I saw him in Titanic. But after seeing movies like Catch Me if You Can and The Aviator, you'll understand how simply being a good actor can negate these kinds of labels.
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The first picture looks like it was taken from Star Trek New Voyages. The resemblance between John Kelly as Bones and Karl Urban is uncanny.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in this film they aren't yet the command staff, are they? My understanding is that this film is set back when the future Enterprise crew are still in the Academy.
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Pine is 28. Kirk was 30 when he took command of the Enterprise. Its not that they are so young its that Shatner was so OLD when he played Kirk (over 35 during the series) and your miss remembering how young Shatner really was in WNMHGB in comparison to the series proper which was filmed almost a year after the second pilot.
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Try to think of it as Star Trek: 90210.
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Actually, this is what is known as a "movie", bpjk. So I guess the more pertinent question is "are they all capable actors?" Anything is possible in a movie, whether they are too young or not is open for debate but again refer to the first sentence. You're worse than a lot of the Trekkies drooling over this. Sure I'm excited but I'm going to take it at base value, it's a movie and it has Nimoy's voice, cool. Always enjoyed the Star Trek movies more anyway. Can't wait. I'm also not going to get over-critical with this, it's a fucking movie. Get a fucking life.
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Adolescent?! The guy's 28 years old. Check IMDB, at 28, he's the youngest member of the cast which averages in the mid-30s.
You've been watching too much 90210, and may have actually come to believe that good looking mid-to-late 20s actors are teens. ;-)
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Not to be the trek fanboy I used to be, but Kirk was the youngest captain in starfleet history. I'm assuming this is before he was legendary, and I'm sure they're going to be making the movies about how he /became/ legendary. Anyway, carry on.
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The problem is that they put him (and the 90210 people) in a lot of makeup so that they don't look like 28 year olds. They don't look like real people at all. Why is it that in movies made after the 1980s people main characters can't look real? Even when the main character is supposed to be some sort of grungy curmudgeon, say Jack Black playing a pseudo-bum, he's caked in makeup so that he's a bum with the skin of an adolescent.
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You'd be suprised how little time it takes for the air to escape from a relatively small container such as the Enterprise into a practically infinite vacuum through a hole a few inch in diameter.
What bothers me more is the smoke in the left side of the picture. Anyone here knows how smoke 'should' behave in space?
I looked at the vidcaps and didn't see Picard. This movie has failed already.
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It's a good thing we have Shaun on board to keep this re-animated corpse under control.
(Actually, I think it's really cool that he's involved. Might even make it worth watching.)
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This sounds awfully like:
The Klingons didn't have a word for surrender...until they met Chuck Norris *gaah*
Well, some people just *look* young. My ex is 27 and when she went to pick up a job application she was told "you have to be at least 16 sweetie". I've been carded in movies, and I'm 25. Its not uncommon for people that are healthy to appear young. Also, if you look at the time line for star trek, its all after a big war when we are recovering as a civilization. Even today the young are the ones who serve (at 23, you are considered an "old man" in basic training even today). Who is to say there are that many capable old soldiers left to command a starship AND run a whole fleet of them? Perhaps the oldest and most veteran are needed elsewhere, so they let the younger generation carry the front lines (also, not uncommon).
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I find it kinda hard to swallow that Sulu took an additional 25 years to rank captain.
But haven't the fans complained for years about the prejudice against gays in Trek?
Or did I misunderstand that?
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More like the Tiny Toon Adventures. And the Klingons are the Dizzy Devil, the Ferengi are Montana Max and the new enemy is ... of course... Elmyra.
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Too young, huh? Here goes. I'm an ex submariner. As near to a futuristic, fully-operational spaceship as we're likely to see in our lifetime is a naval submarine.
The CO (That's "Commanding Officer") of our boat was a late thirty to a forty-something. An early forty-something. The remaining officers were (junior) sub thirties - One as young as 25. Ranking officers in US submarines tend to be younger than their surface fleet counterparts. Submariners are also a heck of a lot smarter. As a matter of fact, submarines are not run quite like surface fleet ships. Knowledge tends to drive submariners - not rank, so much. I've told junior to mid-ranking officers to go eff themselves after they've issued me a command to do something that they didn't realize would have disastrous consequences. When they complained, the senior officers told them to shut it, lest the rest of the crew loose more respect for that officer because of their lack of knowledge.
Here's another little thing: My first CO and XO (Late 30s to early 40 (sub-43)) were the most charismatic leaders I've ever worked under. I would have followed them to the bottom of the sea. My next CO/XO combo (early 50s/late 40s) were, IMHO, more concerned with book-keeping. It was a very unhappy three years for the entire crew under the command of those asshats. Several ranking CPOs lost the ability to advance because of bad fit-reps these two shitheads issued - our COB committed suicide on board our boat for Christ's sake. The 'official' report said the command had nothing to do with it. Sure, right. I don't believe anyone believed it. The next CO I didn't stick around long enough to get to know.
So, as for being too young? Not buying it. There are many ranking officers that are much younger than their ranking CPOs (high ranking enlisted) on board. Subsequently, junior officers are much younger than the Chief's on-board.
I can't remember the formula, but I believe there is one that would give you a rate of transfer (and/or time taken) for the air to move from the Enterprise to space given some parameters; the pressure differential from inside to outside, the size of the hole, and some metric of the gas escaping (atomic weight; density? I've long since forgotten.)
Of course, as the gas escapes the pressure changes so there'd be some calculus involved.
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Just a quick search with google, and the youngest US Navy Captain I can find was 27, while the Royal Navy's youngest was 29.
Presumably Starfleet is an extension of current navies, so late twenties is not so strange. And IIRC, Kirk was supposed to be some kind of prodigy.
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You'd be suprised how little time it takes for the air to escape from a relatively small container such as the Enterprise into a practically infinite vacuum through a hole a few inch in diameter.
What bothers me more is the smoke in the left side of the picture. Anyone here knows how smoke 'should' behave in space?
Let's be generous and say a 10 cm hole - that's just under four inches.
Well, I don't know the math, but I've worked around compressed air systems a little, and I found a little chart for gas flow through pipes of varying diameters and lengths. Air at atmospheric pressure is at 14.5 pounds per square inch - not very high pressure. This is not very high, so it's not like punching a hole in a compressed air tank.
If we guess that the hull is 3 cm thick, and the hole is 10 cm in diameter (the hole is effectively a pipe), according to the ancient looking chart I found, the flow rate is 748 liters per second. (This is assuming I'm interpreting this correctly).
I can't be bothered to do too much googling for this, but a Constitution class starship is 305 meters long. Let's just guess that it's 120 meters wide and an average of 20 meters thick. I know rabid trekkies will correct all this, but it's not important to be all that accurate. 305 x 120 x 20 = 732,000 cubic meters. That's 732 million liters, for those still reading. 732 million liters divided by 748 liters per second is 978,609 seconds to empty the ship to vacuum.
That's 11.3 days to empty the ship through a 10 cm diameter hole. All based on guesses and an old chart from an engineering handbook, but it's better than just saying "little time".
Of course, I could be wrong.
It might take longer; especially when you consider that as the ship empties, the internal pressure drops - when half the air is gone, the atmospheric pressure inside is only 7.25 psi, so the flow rate is also reduced in half - so it might take a month or more to completely equalize the internal and external pressures (external being close to zero).
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Talking of April...
Wasn't Robert April captain of the Enterprise before Kirk?
Hell, Robert April came before Pike...
Or is this another Hollywood example of Continuity Be Damned...
I suspect a lot of people are going to non-cannon this.
It's like Kirk and Spock: The Frat Years
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The problem I have (with any series) is when the writers get lazy. Many times I thought this of TNG when almost every problem could be solved by more power, creating some new exotic particle beam and Data remarking "it is possible, in theory". Phoning it in gets old fast.
I thought the original series was more character-oriented in its drama, but then there were only 80 episodes compared to the 178 of TNG - and 176 (DN9), 172 (VOY). Hell Enterprise only had 98, but was getting tired.
I'm sure this says something about either the writers of different generations, or the generations themselves -- or me [ I seem to like fewer and fewer kids on my lawn these days :-) ]
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Does anyone else think the bridge photo looks like a bad SNL sketch of Star Trek? Why does Uhuru look like she is about to check and see if our table is ready?
if large clouds of gas (nebulae) can float around in space, then why can't smaller pockets of gas? and a photo captures a split-second view of an event, so even if the oxygen escaped very quickly, it could still combust before it becomes too dispersed.
and since smoke is just a cloud of very fine particulates (solid, liquid, and gases) it would probably behave the same way as comet comas & tails, which are composed of similar physical particles. if there was a significant amount of smoke, it would surely be visible in space. it just wouldn't be disperse by wind like it would in an a gaseous atmosphere.
IIRC, Robert April was captain of the Enterprise during its final testing and shakedown, which was largely confined to local space (solar system). Christopher Pike was captian during the initial missions after the Enterprise was placed into active service, and was generally referred to as her first captain. Kirk was her second, more famous, captain.
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At what point does the atmospheric pressure become dangerous to people inside the ship?
At 5.8 psi you become unconscious, but even at 90% of normal atmospheric pressure (13 psi) most people would be strongly affected by the reduced oxygen saturation.
You can imagine that the internal structure of the ship would slow the flow the further away from the breach you are, so pressure would be lowest in the breached compartment, and higher as you move away from it. Seems like automatic airtight doors are a staple of Star Trek, so chances are only that one compartment or an area of the ship would be affected anyway.
Plenty of time to get to an escape pod, transport out, or put on a space suit, anyway.
Unless you're standing next to the hole and get stuck to it. In which case you'd seal it nicely, saving the air and getting a nasty bruise.
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By last episode are you talking about the episode with a faction of human xenophobis, or the TNG episode that masquraded as an Enterprise episode with Riker playing make believe in order to resolve a moral conflict? Ugh, Trip pantomiming his death scene, and the entire Enterprise crew remaining stagnant for almost a decade? I'm about ready to accept the fanfics that claim it was all a pointless ruse by Section 31.
They gave Janeway a ship and she got lost on her first day. Clearly Starfleet aint what it used to be.
So if we made the next James Bond movie and had him played by Dakota Fanning it'd be ok as long as she put in a good performance?
It's just a movie after all. I hear 50 Cent is still into acting, maybe we can remake Schindler's List since Indian Jones already got the new Speilburg treatment.
> No one's making the next Alien,
Wasn't there one a year or two ago? The Aliens were in a ship run by the Predators, which crashed in Colorado?
> the next Blade Runner,
That would be the next movie based on something by Philip K. Dick (hopefully with actors, rather than tracings of them, this time).
> the next Firefly.
Go rent or buy a copy of Serenity. Better, buy 50-100 million copies, and pretty much guarantee that there will be another movie, even if River and Jayne have to make only cameos.
> but as a sci-fi fan there's a part of me that's discouraged to see us mining 1966 for ideas.
As opposed to mining the 19th century? The episode fighting the Planet Destroyer was Moby Dick, for instance. I have read theses claiming that all (written) Sci-Fi is 19th century literature, being the Literature Of Ideas, vs. the 20th century Literature Of Character And Consciousness.
Anyway, all literature mines ideas from the Neolithic, if not the Paleolithic. Aliens could have been about hunting a cave bear in their own cave network, for instance.
Actually, this is what is known as a "movie", bpjk. So I guess the more pertinent question is "are they all capable actors?" Anything is possible in a movie...
See, people throw this bullshit argument out all the time, but it's not some universal excuse that makes everything OK. Cultivating suspension of disbelief is not a trivial task. When writing a decent script taking place in any sort of fantasy world, a careful balance must be struck between the made-up shit and the realistic. What makes such TV and movies good is a solid, believable character interaction, and an internally consistent plot. It may take place in a fictional world, but if it has humans in it, they better damn well act like humans. No amount of "hey, it's just a movie" erases the fact that no responsible human would ever put a starship under the command of a bunch of kids! You can put all sorts of whiz-bang outlandish gizmos in their hand that shoot this imaginary particle, or that made-up energy beam and I'll go for it. But ask me to accept that this is the well-defined Star Trek universe, only for some reason they briefly decided "youth == wisdom" during the period portrayed in the movie, and I'm gonna call bullshit.
Sure, there are plenty of people who will watch and accept any vapid trash you throw up on the screen, so long as it has explosions, boobies, and (most importantly) a twist ending. A lot of people watch Lost, Fringe, used to watch Alias, and actually went to see Mission Impossible 3. This just shows that there's a ready market to make a quick buck distracting folks for 47 minutes (or longer). Do you think any of those abysmal JJ Abrams stool samples will be selling heavily on [DVD|BluRay|*] in 20 years? Highly doubtful.
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I have the solution to the problem of writers "phoning it in".
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It's been a long time.
Look at some pictures of famous people in their late-20s and early-30s from two hundred years ago. They look like they're in their forties or fifties, compared to our standards for today. It's not a stretch to imagine that, in the 23rd century, a 30 year old will resemble (to our eyes) a young adult (16 to 22).
Ref: Look at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Declaration_independence.jpg. Notice how old Thomas Jefferson (tall figure in middle) looks. This painting is based on what he looked like 33, but he looks like an old man of 50.
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Theoretically, that should work.
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I must be getting old but it looks like a high school production of TOS to me.
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A good rule of thumb to use is: in a vacuum, a cloud of gas will expand at the current speed of sound in the gas. Of course, as it expands the sound speed drops, so the dispersal rate will drop drastically once the cloud, say, doubles in size. So, for the 10cm hole scenario in the GP post, the rate of air loss (area of hole x sound speed) would be about 150 cubic meters per minute at 1 atmosphere, not really an explosive decompression unless the flow rips the hole much wider.
As for (emission) nebulae, they have the additional complications of arising from a self-gravitating molecular cloud and the fact that the expansion is isothermal (because of the nearby ionizing source. Also, they are honking huge, so it takes much longer to double in volume.
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I lost track, is this an even or odd Star Trek movie?
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> So it ended up going to Cho even though Abrams was
> a little unsure of casting a Korean as a Japanese officer.
Sort of like being unsure of casting an Irishman as a Scottish engineer.
The reason that makeup is so heavy is that, when you're looking at a 3-story tall closeup in a theater, "average skin" looks like the surface of the moon, and it can be very distracting.
Ah, I see you made the same mistake I did and saw "The Matrix" -- and specifically Lawrence Fishburn's face -- at an IMAX theater. [shudder]
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Sure, there are plenty of people who will watch and accept any vapid trash you throw up on the screen, so long as it has explosions, boobies, and (most importantly) a twist ending. A lot of people watch Lost, Fringe, used to watch Alias, and actually went to see Mission Impossible 3. This just shows that there's a ready market to make a quick buck distracting folks for 47 minutes (or longer).
I disagree. Boobies are ALWAYS more important than a twist ending in my book.
Ahhhhh, I love the smell of fresh Star Trek discord and dissention in the morning. I've been missing it now for a couple of years since there's been no new Trek for us to nitpick about. I'm just waiting now for the Zombies to come out of Engineering right there behind Simon Pegg, and for Spock to start slicing open foreheads and we'll know we've reached complete fandom critical mass.
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Nelson was a post captain at 23.
John Paul Jones commanded his first fighting ship at 29.
Cochrane took a 32 gun frigate with a 16 gun sloop at the age of 26.
Steven Decatur fought the Barbary Pirates in a sloop at 24.
Edward Pellew was made post at 23. His brother Israel was made a commander at 32.
I could go through most of the list of captains at Trafalgar and do the same thing.
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I am *so* looking forward to this - a young Kirk shows his stuff before he becomes the legend he was in later life in a never before referenced adventure that completely ignores all prior continuity, but the entire crew of the Enterprise happens to be there for.
I especially waiting on the next one, "Star Fleet Babies" where the entire crew of the Enterprise, being kept by odd coincidence in a babysitting clinic run by Amanda Rogers in Iowa, save the young federation from a very young Trelane of Gothos and the baby borg he teleports in after baby Spock beats him at chess.
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That stardate makes no sense.
So, what's the plot about, Kirk is grounded by his parents, but sneaks out and steals the Enterprise?
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