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Researchers Decentralize BitTorrent
A Cow writes "The Tribler BitTorrent client, a project run by researchers from several European universities and Harvard, is the first to incorporate decentralized search capabilities. With Tribler, users can now find .torrent files that are hosted among other peers, instead of on a centralized site such as The Pirate Bay or Mininova.
The Tribler developers have found a way to make their client work without having to rely on BitTorrent sites. Although others have tried to come up with similar solutions, such as the Cubit plugin for Vuze, Tribler is the first to understand that with decentralized BitTorrent search, there also has to be a way to moderate these decentralized torrents in order to avoid a flood of spam."
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...and hopefully with this companies will start to use BT as an alternative to http/ftp. The downside is that you have to have a client, but I bet that browsers will have integrated BT support soon (the new Opera does, FF has a plugin). And the savings for the server range from a LOT to none, and even none can't hurt, since if nothing else you at least have a great download client able to resume downloads, download huge files, etc.
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Is it just my observation, or is eldavojohn an idiot?
BT is popular because you can go to a reputable listing site, find a well seeded and good quality torrent with comments by others to back it up and download it quickly. Compared to the chances you take searching traditional P2P systems, full of dodgy encodes, fake file names and incompletes it's obvious why people turn to BT first.
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Full decentralized, search capabilities, with many people able to share pieces of the same file... I think we already have something like that.
News flash: Centralisation is a strength of BitTorrent.
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So can this plugin be used to find people hosting files and do away with centralized servers hosted in no-you-can-sue-in-this-country?
According to the website, Tribler will exchange torrent downloading history by default.
1. Decentralize bittorrent
2. Share pirated stuff
3. ???
4. profit
5. Cure cancer?
Good to see the best minds of this generation have chosen to benefit humankind with... ...a better way to steal stuff!
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How about working on making it so that I don't have to show my IP address as downloading a specific file? That's by far the biggest problem with BitTorrent.
Maybe a bunch common servers that then stream to you. This would be similar to news servers/NNTP except you would be pulling from multiple sources in the BitTorrent way. Also more stuff could be available if it worked like normal torrent hosts and they didn't expire (unlike news servers).
Individual people could even act as proxies similar to Tor/Freenet except designed for a heavy load (like I2P).
Just something, anything, that obscures the IP addresses of those downloading stuff. All the current stuff like encryption and this decentralized system do nothing to protect the users of the system.
Is it just me, or is the BitTorrent world slowly converging on features and an architecture that the eDonkey network has had for years?.
I mean, BitTorrent started out as a way to download big files, like Linux ISO's. Then people started making big torrent search web sites, similar to eDonkey servers. Then people made BitTorrent clients that had a queue of downloads (e.g utorrent), quite similar to eDonkey clients. Now these people have made Torrent searching distributed, just like eDonkey and Kademlia.
I've never been much impressed by BitTorrent (gee, can you tell?). Just what is it that makes it more popular than eDonkey/eMule? Is it just the reputation and hype that has built up around "Torrents"?
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So does this lead to TPB (and others) becoming largely redundant? If not right now, at least the writing is on the wall for them. I mean if you can search without TPB, then why would you need to go there, apart from maybe checking out their legal pages.
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I know this is a naive question, but how does a client find any peers to query without a centralized server to get a list from?
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Okay, hit me with an off-topic, but can we find a way to be able to remove retarded first-posts that are actually worse than "first post!"?
As far as TFS... I for one, am thrilled to see that torrents technology, being both beautiful in concept and on it's way to being the de-facto web content delivery method (imho), is preparing to become even more of a hot-topic red button for consumer-suing power-houses (aka, RIAA) once when this leads to bigger and better hidden piracy networks.
Or, for those new to slashdot...
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What makes you think centralisation is a strength? I liked gnutella just much better for actually finding stuff, except that BT is faster for downloading.
Newsflash: with a decent client that let you ban junk, and enough common sense to see the junk patterns, gnutella was (and still is) very reliable.
You would think these people would know that something is going to be like wicked popular and prepare themselves before a press release!
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I use eMule quite a bit and the URI system is great. All the ed2k sites use it.
sharethefiles.com and tvu.org.ru are two big ones - they do for emule what piratebay does for torrents (just using those URIs in place of .torrent files).
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Disclaimer: I'm one of the authors of Cubit
Tribler takes an interesting approach to the distributed search problem -- collect Torrents in the background and perform on-demand searches locally. To improve recall, skew the Torrent collection to collect mostly from those that have similar interests.
It does raise a few questions. Search quality for less popular Torrents will likely be affected. Searching for Torrents outside your typical interests may also be problematic. And given a Torrent may in theory be replicated to every Tribler client, there is some bandwidth concerns.
I guess only time will tell if limiting search to only the files that have been previously downloaded by one of your peers is sufficient for most users.
Cubit takes a different approach -- perform efficient, distributed search over all the available Torrents in a manner that is resilient to typos and spelling mistakes (from both the search string and the content). Rely on a separate mechanism (such as user comments or a reputation system like Credence) to determine good Torrents from SPAM in the search results.
The approaches seem complimentary, and I'm looking forward to testing out the new Tribler once the website recovers from the Slashdot-ing.
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I still remember when suprnova closed down and they started development on eXeem which sounds to be exactly what they are trying to do here. That project didn't even last for a year.
I believe that those researchers will fail the same way as eXeem failed.
Hahahahaha *wipes tear from eye*
Its about time. Now the **AA's of the world can finally get theirs. The world changed. Film companies don't sell film anymore. Kodachrome is (very soon) to be a thing of the past. Vinyl records really don't sound better than digital. Mass distribution through a very narrow, very expensive pipe is no longer sustainable. Get over it.
never heared of frost? the p2p client for freenet? it also has encryption and anonymization...
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
>> And exactly how many joe averages run Opera?
> Me, for one.
Have you been properly vetted, or are we going to find out tomorrow that you're actually an unlicensed, tax-dodging plumber from Ohio with delusions of grandeur about how much you make? :-)
Besides bittorrent styled file replication, I have always hoped that bittorrent was tunneled through FreeNET and that bittorrent became the primary means of retrieving websites and real-time data such as Stock and News information.
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The MAFIAA has yet to comment on this development, pundits speculate these organizations understand that no publicity is bad publicity, and feeding triblers with publicity only produces more triblers.
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Would this happen to be named for Marshall McLuhan?
CAUTION! Tribler uses you, the clients to distrubute .torrent files. After analyzing tcp data, and looking at cached torrent files, I can never use tribler again.
Due to the nature of the content of those files, using it could easily land you in court, with your name tarnished forever. I encourage any users to check your .torrent cache if you are using tribler, and you will find what I mean. Do you really want to aid in distrubuting that crap?
Because when I copy it, you still have it. Got that point?
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I2PSnark is their bittorrent client, check it out.
Here is a short Howto for I2P.
They are still trying to gain a critical mass but the network essentially works.
Without delving into the Tribble source I would guess the other reply below is correct that a hosts.txt lists some long-lived peers in the network to bootstrap the search from.
Yes, there are 8 superpeers that do the bootstraping.