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Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) Released
SDen writes "Bang on target, the new version of Ubuntu Linux is available for our downloading pleasure. Amongst various changes it sports updates to the installer, improved networking, and a new 'Mobile USB' version geared towards the blossoming netbook market. Grab a copy from the Ubuntu website, and check out Linux Format's hands-on look at the Ibex."
Grab a copy from the Ubuntu website ...
TorrentFreak has a great tutorial on using BitTorrent to upgrade to Intrepid Ibex. Odds are high that the default servers in sources.list are going to be taxed pretty heavily today so this might be useful to a lot of people.
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Now if only Microsoft & Apple could harness & effectively utilize the power of p2p
My work here is dung.
I have been experiencing a minor annoying bug with Heron for the last while where the wireless connection will drop randomly. Reading the logs it shows that the wireless nic hasn't talked to the AP for a while and assumes it is out of range. I have seen others with this issue but no solution. A workaround is to restart networking.
Too bad Nvidia didn't fix their driver in time for the 8.10 release. Using VESA sucks. http://kubuntuway.net/
Torrents:
Desktop - AMD 64
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
Desktop - i386
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
I am downloading both of these, they are quite fast. Seeders are increasing by leaps and bounds!
I'm not sure on your issue, but the network manager has had some serious work done:
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5#Network Manager 0.7
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
Well of course it's bang on target. They have a six month release cycle where they release come-what-may without a feature list.
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P2P Has been single handedly neutered by the likes of comcast.
That is a huge overstatement.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
This version of Ubuntu works better on the EEEPC than Hardy did. They have included alot of eeepc modules so less tweaking is needed. If you have a 701 with 4gb, compressing /usr will give you a
at least 1gb free space, possibly 2gb. I used this tutorial too do it:
http://po-ru.com/diary/linux-liposuction-or-xubuntu-in-under-a-gig-on-the-eee-pc/
The tutorial works on Xubuntu and Ubuntu, possibly Kubuntu but I haven't tried that. Read the comments on that page for extra help.
Personally, despite some wonderful new features, I'm going to stick with 8.04 for a bit, at least until they work out the bugs. Of course, I won't ever be prompted to upgrade to 8.10, because 8.04 is a long term support release. Having a look at the release notes, at least one unacceptable (for me) bug is:
Considering the regression from 7.10 with the wireless lights (it used to be a light would flash when transmitting data, now the light never even shows (known bug)), maybe they should have a long look at their wireless system.
Oh, and the CD eject bug...
Yeah, I would like to have the latest GNOME, and OOo 3 without installing backports, but honestly, I don't think I'll bother.
I wank in the shower.
I initially tried 8.04 on my Acer One and found a lot of basic features required some ugly workarounds. Before I gave up on Ubuntu (was going to do a binary version of Gentoo using my desktop as a build server), I gave 8.10 beta a shot and everything (wifi with ath5k, sound with snd-intel-had, etc.) works out of the box. I'm very satisfied with the 2.6.27 kernel.
Sadly, PS/2 was yet another victim of USB, which doesn't care what you plug into it, the electrical slut.
Yes.
There's a brand new atheros driver with the new kernel that has certainly been working it's magic with wireless cards.
Based off the screenshots, the desktop looks to me like a bloody faceprint on a cave wall.
Or is it significant of "Bang Head Here" when configuration works like 8.04?
Ah, found the answer, thanks AC. Unfortunately Ubuntu put the torrent files on their releases server, which is slow. Here are mirrors:
ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
It's because it uses GNU coreutils. Linux is a kernel, not a full OS distribution. You need other tools to actually use it. Those tools are (almost always) GNU coreutils.
It's pedantic, but credit should be given where credit is due. It used to piss me off too until I realized this.
Correctness matters. Mercy matters more.
Linux Format is a UK publication. The clocks did indeed go back last weekend in the UK.
I'm a beginner trying to make the switch from Vista to Ubuntu, but for the past two weeks and about 5-10 failed attempts, I've been trying to get my AR5007 wireless card to work in Ubuntu 8.04 to no avail. Will an AR5007 card work with 8.10 right out of the box? Or else I'm not going to bother with it if I can't even get a internet connection. Most user-friendly distribution of Linux my ***...
You might not be experiencing the same bug I was, but if you are, this is what I figured out.
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add the line 'blacklist ipv6'.
My wireless worked fine after this, when previously it would disconnect somewhere instantly, and rarely staying up as long as 2 minutes. Hope this helps.
Looking through dmesg, I noticed what appeared to be authentication requests. It appeared to be coming from me. Doing a little hunting, it appears that a lot of routers do not support ipv6 in addition to a few wireless drivers not fully supporting ipv6. Either way, browsing would be fine, until an ipv6 connection was attempted. This would return a "connection not found" type error, and resulted in deauthentication, technically the right course of action.
Long story short, and from reading about other people having similar problems, opened up
Want Big Business out of government? Take away the incentive and start by getting government out of big business!
Or how about the "I know the SSID and the WPA key, but I'm going to refuse to connect to the non-broadcasting AP anyway" bug. There's nothing quite like having to type in a 64-character WPA key every single time the laptop boots.
Yes, the wireless network is listed in the saved list. No, you can't get it to connect from that list, you have to create a manual connection and reenter everything. No, you can't copy-paste the WPA key in, that doesn't work for some reason.
Of course, the laptop could boot a lot less frequently if only suspend or hibernate worked. Sadly, while Ubuntu is quite capable of shutting the machine off, it can't quite get the hang of resuming.
Isn't that exactly the kind of situation something called the "Live CD" was invented?So that you could check out whether all your hardware works before you install.Or was that too newbie for you?
You know that GTK bug where if your mouse cursor is on a button and the button becomes greyed out so you can't click it and then it becomes normal again but your mouse cursor has been in it the whole time but now you can't click the button even though it's normal now so you have to move your mouse pointer OUT of the button and then back into it again to get the button to work? You know that bug? The one that makes you want to rip out your hair and scream?
Well it's fixed. Whoever is the awesome person who fixed that is my hero. Someone give that person a fucking cookie.
Now, RMS seems to spend his time avoiding soap and bitching that Linux should be called 'GNU/Linux' since it 'uses GNU software, and Linux is just the kernel.' If RMS had actually spent more time working on projects like HURD instead of writing the GNU Software Manifesto he may have a right to bitch.
Also, see the italic text here. Bottom line: don't listen to this guy.
I can't seem to even get through to download the torrent.
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I wish you luck. My upgrade doesn't recognize my sound card, Pidgin starts but displays nothing, and Totem hangs (MPlayer does work). And the network configuration tool shows both wired and Bluetooth links, but it doesn't seem to actually use the Bluetooth link for data (even if I disconnect the wired LAN cable). Sure do look purty, though.
If you use comcast ( and others ) your monthly bandwidth is limited.
Most people don't use anywhere near their quota.
Are YOU going to share what you have left with others? Im not.
If you have 3 apples and are only hungry enough for 1 apple, do you refuse to share your remaining apples simply because your apple supply is limited?
I put that apple in a fruit bank of course!
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
Again Intrepid seems to take the progression of and Linux desktops in general: abandon the traditional and well proven unix ideology, where simple tools do well defined tasks well. Instead things "Just work" meaning that when they don't work, they "Just don't work" and the only solution is to wait for new release. Yes yes, you have the source, but hacking around all of the "Just works" bugs isn't isn't very feasible even if one had the programming knowledge.
I've been using the prerelease versions of Intrepid for about a month and have witnessed again few cases of the new bloat-methodology.
For example the NetworkManager has been around for a while destroying an architecture that could be comfortably tweaked in command line and config files. Of course I don't have anything against GUIs that simplify this, but in the same time the command line usage has been stripped.
A great example is the new touted 3G automation, which does work quite nicely. However, for more experienced user it seems quite weird as there's no options to set up the network interface or serial device to use. Of course it turns out that this only works on USB devices that are somehow autoprobed probably by HAL (which itself has configurations that few mortals can edit by hand). And this leading the system not supporting 3G over Bluetooth, even if I'd set up the rfcomm serial device myself.
Another amazing way for "Just works" methodology is to write them in the DE itself, not as separate programs. For example in GNOME there's a applet to kill a misbehaving GUI program by clicking it's window (ie a xkill replacement). But of course it runs as part of gnome-panel process (or something like that). Well, when the kill cursor is on it prevents switching VTs (WHY!?) and also jams the whole screen in the process. Now of course the solution is to SSH to the box (because VT switch is prevented) and kill the offending process from command line. But with the new way to do things, there's no single process to kill.
And other great thing is the gconf. Sure it's nice to use from programmer's point of view, but of course it's practically unusable otherwise. With the GUI-editor there's change to find the proper configuration field in reasonable time, but using CLI is nearly impossible. Sure it uses ASCII files to store the data, but these are in some horrible illegible non-commented XML format nesting several directories deep with some "overlaying" stuff so that the offending parameter can be where ever.
It's a fun way to spend time trying to config your screen through gconf when Gnome has decided to screw up your display using XRandr.
These kinds of situations are already everywhere and getting more common by every distribution and DE release. In no time the big open desktop distros reach the "Just doesn't work" level of Windows and OSX.
Please don't get me wrong. I like the new stuff that makes computers simple to use (like automatic networking setup etc). But it really shouldn't be done in expense of flexibility and ability to fix things manually _when_ the automated stuff breaks.
They have to live on the Isle of Man or South Africa to make the Ubuntu list of names. Besides Iguana was already used by O'Reilly for something.
Why upgrade an existing system to this release? I have a working, nicely functional laptop that has support for the next three years for security updates, why should I hop on the update treadmill again and deal with upgrade headaches every six months? I like where I got Hardy (after waiting through 4 releases to get to another LTS).
My Babylon
I don't want to share my now limited bandwidth for some commercial company to give out updates.
And you paid how much for your copy of Ubuntu? Yeah, I thought so.
Besides, if you're on comcast, your "now limited bandwidth", isn't all that limited. For 99.99% of comcast customers, it's practically unlimited, which isn't all that much worse. If you use so much bandwidth that you routinely approach the cap, maybe you aught to upgrade to a commercial service. Also, they actually appear to be using legitimate QoS these days, to appropriately set p2p data as low priority, instead of using the retarded policy of resetting torrent connections.
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Guess it depends on which driver you're talking about. I upgraded to the RC last week and mine never stopped working. From my glxinfo: OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: Quadro FX 1600M/PCI/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.80
Anyone know if the EEE version of 8.10 is out as well? Has it fixed the wireless problem that 8.04.1 has? I just got a 1000 40G yesterday and already had to fix the automount for the 32 GB drive, USB drives, and try to troubleshoot the wireless (which appears is set up for the wireless card on the previous EEE PCs and not the current one). Oh and is this the full release version of 8.10 or a beta?
If I have 3 Apples why the hell do I want Ubuntu?
Because brown goes well with white ;)
If I'm going to be hungry later, and my apple supply isn't going to be refreshed until further down the road, you bet your ass I'd refuse to share.
Your apple supply (ie comcast quota) refreshes monthly, ie ... presumably, in fact, the day after tomorrow.
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Where on the Isle of Man will I find a Jackalope?
As I replied to Parent Post. I have downloaded p2p files directly from Microsoft, so far this has been support or developer packages, not regular updates, but they are learning.
Well, it sucks that you had that experience. Next time, try the live CD and make sure things are working -- if it works there, you know it can work with the full install.
:)
As for your commentary, let me point out two things.
1- Lack of standard, reducing support available and compatibility consensus.
I'd argue there's far more standards and compatability in Gnome and Ubuntu than for Windows. From a user perspective, Windows allows any executable installer to basically vomit anywhere it wants -- sure, go ahead and muck with the registry, install three systray icons, a quicklaunch shortcut, a desktop shortcut, and two start menu entries. Which might be named after the manufacturer, or maybe the product, or maybe the parent company. Who knows? There's no standard way of doing it -- it's just that users have been trained to accept it. In Gnome, basically everything gets filed so it's never more than one click away, and it's always under a sane, general heading. "Internet", "Games", "Graphics", "Office", whatever.
Same with installation of new stuff. Want a CD burner for Windows? Google "cd burner software" or similar, tromp through eight or nine results looking for one that doesn't look sketchy, isn't crippled trialware, and that you're reasonable sure won't install some spyware or other. Download it, run the installer, agree to weird EULAs and maybe it'll work. Maybe not -- maybe it was XP only and you have Vista, or vice versa. And unless you really know what you're doing, you can't be sure it didn't stealthily install some crapware alongside it. Finally, clean up the mess it left behind when installing (extraneous icons, shortcuts, start menu entries, etc).
Ubuntu? Open Synaptic and click whatever you want. Then ignore it. It'll download, configure, and install without any further interaction, and there's accountability for who made it and where it is coming from. You're done.
2- Linux Geeks expecting average joe to spend time (which he doesn't have) browsing at forums for his answers, often "on his 2nd computer" (which he doesn't have either).
No one expects this. And honestly I have never, ever had trouble with drivers on any machine, on any distro -- including random ones like DSL, Puppy, or other ones I just want to use for experiments. The sole exception has been wireless Broadcom stuff...and that headache stopped over a year ago with the Restricted Drivers manager.
Compare this to Windows, where I've never gotten an install to work the first time. A clean install of Windows will not have drivers for your wireless or ethernet, sound card, video card, and probably a few other things. You either have to have some sort of recovery CD, which Joe User doesn't have lying around, or you have to have...a second computer, so you can go to dell.com or whatever, and download the drivers. Then install them one at a time, by hand. And clean up the mess they leave behind, again.
I guess my point is that Linux in general and Ubuntu does a much, much better job at hardware detection and driver handling. Windows is essentially incapable of it, and either way, if you're Joe User, you don't know how to fix Windows problems any more effectively than Linux problems, so it's kind of a null point.
No, I think the real reason Ubuntu doesn't have a solid base of home users is because the overwhelming majority of users just buy a computer that has Windows already on it, and stop thinking about it right then. They see no reason to switch because to most people, "Windows" IS a computer, and the only other option is to buy a Mac. So they put up with Windows' endless annoyances and nagging because it's what they're used to, and are blissful in their ignorance.
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Not everyone can use torrents, so try out the metalinks. These are XML files that list mirrors & checksums, helping you find a server, and verifying that the download didn't have errors.
You can use DownThemAll! (Firefox extension), KGet in KDE4, GGet in GNOME, aria2, or metalink-checker (among many other Windows/OS X/Linux download clients).
The official .metalink files are available at
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/intrepid/
However, when I upgraded to a non-OEM machine of my own, and tried to install 8.04, I wasn't so lucky.
I think this is not an issue with Ubuntu 8.04 specifically, but instead with your new hardware.
I got a new system with an Intel motherboard that was introduced only this summer, after the release of 8.04. That version--and 7.10 before it--gave me no joy. There was no support for the new Intel graphics chipset and there were some other problems too. Not much blame can be put on Intel though; they had Linux drivers out publicly before the motherboards based upon the chipset were even available to the public! Linux being a more...errr...diverse ecosystem means it is a bit more challenging to package and distribute such divers (alas, my board did not include binary packages suitable for Ubuntu with the appropriate modules backported to the kernel in 8.04).
So, I've been running 8.10alpha5 (and upgrading as alphas and betas became available) and had more luck (still no digital audio out, but I may need to tune my system--and for a couple weeks I had to disable onboard NIC and use a cheapo spare to keep the e1000e driver from bricking it--ubuntu blacklisted it anyways and has since fixed it and I am using my onboard 1000bT again--but considering it is pre-release quality I cannot complain).
Trouble is, I spent way too much time messing with Linux before, and now I no longer have that patience.
Honestly, aside from using alpha and beta distros, it has been YEARS since I've had to "mess around" with Linux. As a matter of fact it is faster and easier to set up a "bare" PC with Ubuntu (or Fedora or SuSE for that matter) than it is with Windows. Ubuntu install is done faster, I can run a 3-D desktop just as well on literally half the machine Vista requires, updates and upgrades are easier and faster, there is NOTHING like "software repositories" for Windows--you always have to insert a damn disk or explicitly google and download an EXE or MSI and you cannot install applications with MSFT update--only upgrade. when I do a fresh install of Windows I ALWAYS need to run Windows update and reboot 2 or 3 times, and with new hardware you still need vendor drivers, sometimes event to get out of the initial install phase! Hell, I hardly have the patience for WINDOWS anymore!
As to your assertions about barriers to Linux adoption:
1 - there is no lack of standards, just resistance to universal adoption. There are many Debian-derived distros that use the same package format and can work against the same repositories. There is Fedors, RHEL, SuSE,Mandriva, etc that all use the same "standard" in RPM and related apt/synaptic style management and update tools, and above that is the LSB that not only specifies standard packaging and deployment practices, it outlines a cross-distro binary compatibility standard!
For some reason, for every complaint about lack of a single standard there is a chorus of calls against any and all attempt at establishing a formal or de-facto standard! Perhaps it is because in the MSFT and Apple worlds there is no choice because standards are so entrenched--to the point of lock-in. People that move to Linux right now LIKE the choice and don't want to lose it in the process of creating standards.
2 - I fail to see the point here. When people have problems with Windows the exact same thing happens--some Windows guru saying to do something way above a beginner's head, useless tech support, etc. The average joe still has to rely on forums (which are relatively useless for windows compared to Linux), second computers, or an expert friend or coworker. In fact, I think your argument here is quite false: If an average Joe user starts off with an Ubuntu system that is working, it continues to work and is LESS likely to just break with everyday use. Windows, however, seems to break much easier with normal use--installing and uninstalling, various upgrades that break other things and above all VIRUSES.
If I have Ubuntu why the hell do I want 3 Apples?
Maybe in and around its burrows, in the rocky crags of the southern plains, approximately 60Km from the western shore.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
I saw him speak at Rice University.
He kept telling all of us students and professors that we were committing moral grievances akin to murder by using any form of linux.
This guy needs to understand that there is a whole world out there full of injustices more important than whether or not a free as in beer operating system is completely free as in speech.
Good thing too, it was completely useless for me so I went with WICD. Heron seems to have a lot of little glitches although a lot of it is admittedly caused by third parties like the ATI firegl driver and VMWare Server messing with the keyboard. I have a button I have to click on the panel which resets the keyboard so I can use shift and control again as something about VMWare quick switch doesn't release properly or some such. Never had that problem in the past though.
He didn't know any of this, because he only heard it from somebody else (who probably didn't know what they were talking about), and subsequently blew it out of proportion.
Actually, it sounds like you only heard this from somebody else (who probably didn't know what they were talking about), and subsequently blew it out of proportion. He doesn't claim it contains non-free software, but that it suggests non-free software, which is true. To quote from his e-mail to the OpenBSD-misc mailing list,
From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free software (though I am not sure whether it contains any non-free firmware blobs). However, its ports system does suggest non-free programs, or at least so I was told when I looked for some BSD variant that I could recommend. I therefore exercise my freedom of speech by not including OpenBSD in the list of systems that I recommend to the public.
Sounds like he understood the issue well, and if you know about his philosophy, its extremely clear why he won't recommend OpenBSD. By doing so, he would recommend the ports system that suggests the use of non-free software, and by recommending it he will implicitly also suggest the non-free software.
And to clear things up, OpenBSD does not contain non-free blobs in the kernel, and they even themed their 3.9 release on this issue. Because the emphasis is on security, they did so for primarily for security reasons. In a sense, the OpenBSD kernel really is more free than the Linux kernel you get with most distributions, as many distributions include non-free binary blobs with the kernel (including Ubuntu). To push this point through,
The fact that OpenBSD is not a variant of GNU is not ethically important. If OpenBSD did not suggest non-free programs, I would recommend it along with the free GNU/Linux distros.
It is entirely about the ports system. Other than that, he's all for it. In fact, I doubt you will find him telling people not to use OpenBSD, but rather warning them to be careful with the ports system.
You don't have to agree with him, but at least get the facts right about his argument.
I have the problem that caused a huge amount of discussion here before, where the disk in the laptop repeatedly parks and then wakes a few seconds later to write something. I have used up about 1/3 of the lifetime limit on the disk for these parks. I have updated from Feisty to Gibbon and Hardy and it is still there.
I have a script to turn off the disk timeout to fix this. However I have to run it manually every time I unsleep the machine. I have followed the instructions to install it in init.d and power on/off but it appears to have no effect. Either it is not run or it's changes are undone after it is run. This is very frustrating and I see absoltely zero information about this.
I heard there was some analysis about why Windows does not have this problem, and it was determined that Windows reads the disk *continuously* until it sleeps. This led the manuafacturers to adjust the timeout very small so it is, in effect, a fast "Windows is sleeping" detector. Now it appears that Linux is using the disk far less often, but not zero, so the result is worse for the disk. It would be really cool if Linux actually stopped reading the disk at all when nothing is happening, but I realize this is difficult, so I think an acceptable solution is to replicate how Windows acts.
In any case, despite all the yakking about this earlier, I see no comments. Have they addressed this or not? Is it ever going to be fixed? Or can somebody tell me how to debug the init stuff and find out why my script has to be run manually?
I've experienced serious regressions with Intrepid Ibex. Among them is bad audio due largely I suspect to the new False, I mean, Pulse Audio system. Wine games are largely unplayable unless I disable sound. Then there's the confirmed "won't fix" bug concerning Gnome session (https link to Ubuntu bug tracker here). Now every time I log out I have to manually restart all my applications. I'm not talking about the usual background system stuff but the important end-user programs like Pidgin, Firefox and Gnome Terminal. All in all, this is the most troubling Linux upgrade I've experienced since I switched to a Debian derivative. The last time something like this broke was when I couldn't play Crack Attack because of a Mesa incompatibility in Debian Unstable! And that was fixed within weeks.
"Ubuntu Linux is available for our downloading pleasure. Amongst various changes it sports updates to the installer, improved networking[...]"
Well, I personally find this a little ironic since I've tested Kubuntu a few days ago and since I have a non-DHCP, manually IP set-up, I found it to be almost impossible to get a working Internet connection. The KNetwork applet (or whatever its name is) will not open. I tried setting it up manually by, yes, using Konsole. Internet connection worked for a few seconds after that it automatically tried detecting my IP. Setting it again manually worked. For another few seconds. A friend advise me to get rid of avahi, I did with no use.
But again, it was Kubuntu and it was a beta version, I'm sure they fixed it by now.
Here's another question: does Kubuntu have a LTS (Long-Term Support) version yet? Ubuntu 8.04 (GNOME version) was LTS, but because the KDE developers decided to drop everything KDE3-related and go running after the KDE4 Holy Grail, Kubuntu 8.04 was not LTS. So now it's October, the next version of Ubuntu is out, and KDE4 has been upgraded to KDE4.1 , do we have LTS yet? Or will we have to wait 4 more version still Ubuntu 10.4 (Muckraking Manatee) before we get a LTS?
Personally, I don't want to upgrade to KDE4 because I just want my computer DE to help me get things done and stay out of the way. I don't want to learn a new way of doing things. I hope Kubuntu8.10 comes with a KDE3 version.
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250g and you get cut off is a limitation in my book. If you don't want to use what you paid for, more power to you. I however, want to use what i purchase.
Sure, it's a limitation, but it's a pretty high limitation, and for most people--even for most power users, it may as well be unlimited. Honestly, what could a residential customer be doing to move that much data? Even if I saturated upload on my home line, for offsite backup, for instance, you're only going to be moving ~100GB/month. If it's really important that you need that kind of throughput, you can certainly afford their commercial offering, and get better data rates (three times the upload, 10Mbps + dl) and no cap. You'll be paying that in hard disk, if you need to download that much.
As to MS/Apple: I guess I missed the context which you replied to, because Canocial is indeed a commercial company, which does rely on good will from many people and institutions.
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Ah, good old American spirit.
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While Windows (XP) will not have drivers for everything with the base install, it has never failed to install on whatever machine I've tried. It also BOOTS.
Man, you certainly didn't try to install XP on a SATA only machine.
Don't know how SP3 goes but SP2 is a MAJOR PITA in this respect. Finding which SATA driver actually works for the windows installer can be quite a challenge.
After failing to install XP, i did try installing ubuntu and it installed without a hitch.
That's when i realized that life can actually be easier by using linux. Quite a shocker when you haven't really made the jump yet.
That was like a year & a half ago.
Today the linux side is even better, as installing from usb thumb drive is like a thousand time faster than from a CD. Still possible with xp, but much more complicated than the 2 or 3 clicks required for the just released intrepid ibex (and for previous releases/other distros, there's still unetbootin: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/).
But then again, i'm writing this from my macbook :)
Only time i had to install osx was when i upgraded my HDD.
Still sucks that installing from USB isn't an easy process though.
Under Windows, if you have a problem with crappy drivers you usually get "That's the latest driver version so you're SOL, kthxbye!". If you have an equally crappy experience under Linux, there's usually ten pages of discussing hacks to make it work or work better. That alone is probably a lot of the reason it looks like Linux users have more hardware problems. This process is also a fundamental part of how Linux gets support for more hardware, and there's nothing really inherently wrong about there being much more such posts on Linux since the driver development process is also to a large part open. Everything that happens on internal corporate mailing lists for closed source drivers happen out in the open on Linux.
The problem is that average end users have about as much business there as on the kernel developer mailing list. If you want to simply use Linux, get supported hardware. Really supported hardware that gets all green, works perfectly, in kernel drivers. What I found is that you'll find a model with the features and the price range you want, it's just that some brands suck and linux support and others are great. It's not like you have to pay twice as much or anything, it's exactly the same but maybe not your favorite brand. There's really no other option, the other option would be to have instant flawless drivers for all hardware that is released, and it's just not going to happen. Many companies aren't interested, many are plain old lukewarm, there's a limited number of people to reverse engineer and they can't get started before they actually have the product in hand. So again, buy supported hardware.
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Why don't you listen Stallman talk about this in his own words. He starts talking about operating systems including non-free programs at 20:30 and BSD specifically at 22:01.
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I try rather hard to share my beer (which is good), because I acquire beer faster than I drink it. I make 5 gallon batches, and can do 1-2 a month but make fewer than that; as it turns out, over time I collect more and more beer. By sharing my beer, I can run out; this means I have more free empty bottles, and can make another batch and bottle it without getting more bottles, which in turn means my apartment doesn't become a sea of full beer bottles.
Why can't you make 1 batch, wait until you finish it (or are very close) and THEN make a new batch?
Or was this some analogy? Because it makes no sense.
If I'm going to be hungry later, and my apple supply isn't going to be refreshed until further down the road, you bet your ass I'd refuse to share.
I knew it was only a matter of time before the Apple fanbois got a hold of this thread.
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