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Quantum Cloaking Makes Molecules Invisible

KentuckyFC writes "An international team of physicists has applied the ideas of cloaking to the quantum world and worked out how to hide quantum objects such as molecules. In the quantum world, seeing is equivalent to detecting a quantum object. In the case of molecules, that means looking for the terahertz radiation they produce when they vibrate (abstract). By designing a 'quantum corral,' an elliptical nanostructures that absorbs terahertz waves at a precise frequency, the team says it is possible to hide molecules that emit at exactly that frequency. They say their quantum corral would be ideally suited to detecting molecules of specific species while ignoring others. And that may mean a new generation of molecular detectors on the horizon."

118 comments

  1. Ears.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By designing a 'quantum corral,' an elliptical nanostructures that absorbs terahertz waves at a precise frequency

    Sounds sort of like how the human ear works.

    1. Re:Ears.. by recrudescence · · Score: 4, Funny

      can't believe you resisted the temptation to say "First Post" ... kudos! :p

    2. Re:Ears.. by buswolley · · Score: 1
      No observation, eh?

      Tell me, does this mean that Schrödinger's cat doesn't need to die?

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    3. Re:Ears.. by Kugrian · · Score: 5, Funny

      The real First Post is invisible.

    4. Re:Ears.. by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      In that case I really, really like quantum cloaking.

    5. Re:Ears.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it means that we will never know if it is dead or alive.

      The cat will be in perpetual limbo.

      Poor thing;-)

    6. Re:Ears.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also resisted the temptation to log in, in case for example I was wrong and it's nothing like how the ear works.

    7. Re:Ears.. by QuadEddie · · Score: 0

      I find no solace in that bond.

    8. Re:Ears.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's just running late.

    9. Re:Ears.. by lostguru · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cats are probably pretty good at limbo being so small and flexible.

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    10. Re:Ears.. by stainlesssteelpat · · Score: 1

      Ask it how Jesus is!!!

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    11. Re:Ears.. by alexj33 · · Score: 1

      This is a quantum first post.

      The very act of you looking at the top of the thread changed its state though, and now it is here.

    12. Re:Ears.. by [000000] · · Score: 0, Troll
      F*** Slashdot, i'm going to Digg. At least Diggers are openly idiots and not pontificating armchair pseudo-intellectuals.

      Well I think you may be thinking the right way '..i'm going to Digg.... Diggers are openly idiots' but, even so, I'm sure that they may not want you.

      Even idiots have some intelligence. So you are only 50% there, the idiot.

    13. Re:Ears.. by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 1

      Tell me, does this mean that Schrödinger's cat doesn't need to die?

      Not if it's a lolcat.

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    14. Re:Ears.. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Quantum corral... isn't that for herding Schrödinger cats?

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  2. Lord have mercy! by moniker127 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last week they announced the first laser cannon, now we're working on the base technology for tricorders? Maybe startrek IS an accurate timeline.

    1. Re:Lord have mercy! by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, the Eugenics Wars were supposed to have happened by now, also referred to as the "third world war". Also, we should have launched few more probes by now -- Voyager, which will later gain sentience and attempt to kill everything that isn't perfect, and Nomad, which later returns to blow the hell out the planet because we killed off the whales. Lastly, we've only got four years left to build a self-enclosed and self-sustaining ecosystem in Portage Creek, Indiana.

      P.S. You've been geeked. ^_^

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    2. Re:Lord have mercy! by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Voyager was launched in the 1970's. Voyager 2 left the solar system in 2007... so should be picked up by aliens just about now.

    3. Re:Lord have mercy! by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      except that nomad had nothing to do with the whales.

    4. Re:Lord have mercy! by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the Eugenics Wars were supposed to have happened by now, also referred to as the "third world war"

      The Third World War was not the Eugenics Wars. The Eugenics Wars happened around the time of the 90s. There's a few non-cannon novels about them and they were mentioned in the TOS Episode Space Seed. The Third World War happened around the middle of the 2000s and ended ten years before the events of First Contact in 2063.

      You must immediately turn in your geek card and exit the building. Some friendly looking security people with tasers will be escorting you out. Take heart though -- you'll be able to get chicks now.

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    5. Re:Lord have mercy! by contrapunctus · · Score: 1

      Is it "third world" war or third "world war"?

    6. Re:Lord have mercy! by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Two things sugar. First, I am a "chick", and I've been able to get them for awhile. Second, as you said, Spock referred to the Eugenics Wars in Space Seed as "the last of your so-called world wars" -- so what you're going on about is an minor plot inconsistency. zomfg! An inconsistency in Star Trek canon? Like THAT's never happened before. So about my geek card? No, not yours. And just so we're clear... Yes, there are fangirls for TOS. We're all gay though so don't get your hopes up little boy. ;) We're also responsible for most of the spock/mccoy slashfic out there.

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    7. Re:Lord have mercy! by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      you're right. sorry... got confused. There's so many cylindrical probes that attacked either Earth or the Enterprise that it's hard to keep them all straight.

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    8. Re:Lord have mercy! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      I have to say.... I instantly love you! :D
      On first post. ;)

      Now the question is, who looks less geeky.
      I'm half afghani, half luxemburgish, have a light brown tan, do not live in a basement, and actually date girls.
      Gooooood luck! :P

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    9. Re:Lord have mercy! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, and on the gay part... I know this is protection. *hopes* ;))

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    10. Re:Lord have mercy! by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      i think all that was Sulu's doing....

    11. Re:Lord have mercy! by Xaria · · Score: 1

      I knew that too, and I'm *not* gay. I have my third baby on the way to prove it. I *am* taken though, obviously. :)

      Maybe the war pre-first-contact wasn't a world war ... I don't think they ever actually called it WW3 did they?

      Must also add, it was supposed to be Voyager VI that become V'ger (and the link that made them Borg, as alluded to above, is non-Canon). Nomad turned up in TOS, but the whale probe was alien.

    12. Re:Lord have mercy! by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Yes, I got the probe name wrong. Sorry.. So many probes have attacked earth or the enterprise that I can't keep them all straight. And almost all of them have been phallic-shaped. ^_^ If you ask me, Kirk attracts them.

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    13. Re:Lord have mercy! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The probe in ST:TMP was Voyager 6 which has not been launched.

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    14. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      True enough that the Eugenics Wars DID happen by our current date in (In the first timeline we were introduced to) WWIII was almost always used to refer to a separate conflict that is still to come.

      In any case, all this idle speculation is moot, as Gene Roddenberry came back to warn us about all of this so that we may change the future for the better.

      PS You've been trekked. ;)

    15. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some friendly looking security people with tasers will be escorting you out.

      You mean phasers?

      Oh and the eugenics wars started when they released the AIDS virus. Thanks Robert Macnamera

    16. Re:Lord have mercy! by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

      And almost all of them have been phallic-shaped. ^_^ If you ask me, Kirk attracts them.

      That's because Kirk is a pussy.

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    17. Re:Lord have mercy! by maxume · · Score: 1

      Well played.

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    18. Re:Lord have mercy! by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      An inconsistency in Star Trek canon? Like THAT's never happened before

      I think Star Trek canon is one long line of inconsistencies ;)

      We're also responsible for most of the spock/mccoy slashfic out there.

      So which "I'm a Doctor, not a ..." variation is McCoy's safe word in those fanfics? ;)

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    19. Re:Lord have mercy! by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      That's because Kirk is a pussy.

      Better to be a pussy than an asshole. Of course, both get fucked by dicks ;)

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    20. Re:Lord have mercy! by hugorxufl · · Score: 1

      OK, so the million-dollar question now is: can a Bird-of-Prey made out of this stuff shoot while while cloaked?

    21. Re:Lord have mercy! by EveLibertine · · Score: 1

      Maybe the war pre-first-contact wasn't a world war ... I don't think they ever actually called it WW3 did they?

      They did call it the last World War in Space Seed. I just happened to have been watching this episode last week, so it was pretty fresh in my mind. I decided to play it again and double check.
      At around 3.5 minutes into the episode Mr. Spock says:
      "The mid 1990's was the era of your last so-called World War."
      I thought they called it World War 3 later on in the episode, but that might just be me misremembering this beginning part. Regardless, the poster several posts above asserted:

      The Third World War was not the Eugenics Wars. The Eugenics Wars happened around the time of the 90s. There's a few non-cannon novels about them and they were mentioned in the TOS Episode Space Seed. The Third World War happened around the middle of the 2000s and ended ten years before the events of First Contact in 2063

      According to Space Seed, this cannot be true. If the Eugenics Wars were the "last world war" then World War 3 couldn't have happened after them; any World War happening after them would have to be at the very least World War 4. Maybe this was retconned later somewhere, but all I have to go on is Space Seed.

    22. Re:Lord have mercy! by citizenr · · Score: 1

      First, I am a "chick"

      oh, so you must be FAT then

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    23. Re:Lord have mercy! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting the cylindrical probe that "attacked" pretty much any alien life form that could arguably be described as a humanoid female. Of course it is rumoured that Jim Kirk had little problems keeping his cylindrical probe straight, so I'm not sure your use of the term all is quite accurate once we adjust for the critical ommision* either ...

      disclaimer:

      Critical ommisions not to be confused with nocturnal emmisions (that means you Kirk)

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    24. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, its not just you. All of star Trek is gay. Laugh, its funny, because its sort of true.

    25. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lesbian trekkies and spock / mccoy slashfic gets a +4 Interesting. Yup, this is /.

    26. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woot! Star Trek lives!
      I was just thinking, tricorders are coming... when's warp and my trip to Vulcan coming?

    27. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Third World War happened around the middle of the 2000s and ended ten years before the events of First Contact in 2063.

      With this financial market, someone might press the big, red button and start WWIII

    28. Re:Lord have mercy! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Slashdot: Rule 34 by the sound of it.

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    29. Re:Lord have mercy! by myxiplx · · Score: 1

      Hahahah, +1 Pwn3d :-)

    30. Re:Lord have mercy! by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Maybe this was retconned later somewhere

      It was retconned in First Contact. Riker or Data has a line about arriving ten years after the "Third World War".

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    31. Re:Lord have mercy! by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Better to be a pussy than an asshole.

      That reminds me, I have to drop the kids off at the pool !

    32. Re:Lord have mercy! by [000000] · · Score: 1
      "I'm half afghani, half luxemburgish"

      Ok I'm fine understanding the 50% Afghani. But its the luxemburg(ish) bti I'm not sure about.

      Are you not sure about the Luxemburg, so just though luxemburgish? (Well around that area)

    33. Re:Lord have mercy! by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 1

      Last week they announced the first laser cannon, now we're working on the base technology for tricorders? Maybe startrek IS an accurate timeline.

      And with Obama as president we might even see Star Trek's Utopian Socialism.

    34. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats what you think!

    35. Re:Lord have mercy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah you see the Eugenics Wars didn't happen because of Voyager messing with the time line.

    36. Re:Lord have mercy! by Arterion · · Score: 1

      I knew that too, and I'm *not* gay. I have my third baby on the way to prove it. I *am* taken though, obviously. :)

      Not to troll here (seriously), but:

      1) Gay women can get pregnant and have babies, too.

      2) It is possible to be pregnant, but not be "taken". Being pregnant is not obvious evidence of being partnered with someone.

      Not trying to make you out to be some kind of bad person, just offering some food for thought. A lot of people have had a certain kind of thinking ingrained for so long, they they don't even realize they're doing it.

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    37. Re:Lord have mercy! by EveLibertine · · Score: 1

      Cool, thanks for the info. I've worked my way through most of TOS the past few months, so I look forward to seeing it again as soon as I finish TNG in a couple years.

    38. Re:Lord have mercy! by Xaria · · Score: 1

      1. Okay, I have my third baby conceived through the standard biological methodology of mammals on the way to prove it. As opposed to IVF or a turkey baster. Better? ;)

      2. I more meant the fact that it was my third baby, but you are quite right. I know someone who had three babies, and not one of them was to the same father or even from a committed relationship.

  3. Not quite a cloaking device by girlintraining · · Score: 1

    Of course, now we'll look for the "corral" matrix that surround it instead of the molecule itself. It's certainly interesting, but I don't see a practical application for this just yet. Perhaps an improvement in optics that allows for high energy photons (ie, lasers) to pass through a lens without melting it? Maybe someone who knows more about physics can chime in here?

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    1. Re:Not quite a cloaking device by rts008 · · Score: 4, Informative

      TFA: "First what does it mean to see or not see a quantum object? Fransson and co say that seeing is equivalent to detecting quantum objects and in the case of molecules that means looking for the terahertz radiation they produced when they vibrate.

      "We propose a method for detecting and manipulating quantum invisibility based on THz cloaking of molecular identity in coherent nanostructures," says Fransson and buddies.

      In practice, this means designing quantum corals, elliptical nanostructures, that absorb terahertz waves of specific frequencies. When a molecule that emits this frequency is placed at the focus, it cannot be spotted. It is essentially invisible.

      Useful? You bet. Such a quantum coral would be ideally suited to detecting molecules of specific species while ignoring others. For example, if you have a particular molecular species that poisons your measurements, then what you need is a cloak that will make it invisible to your detectors

      It's ideas like this that are going to make cloaking mighty useful one of these days.

      Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0811.1782: Quantum Detection and Invisibility in Coherent Nanostructures"

      Right now they are talking 'invisible to terahertz radiation detecters they currently use, and this would be useful.

      As often happens, the summary is not real clear. This is not meant to be a 'cloak of invisibility'(D&D/RPG style), nor a 'cloaking device'(Romulan style) device, just (initially) a means to 'clean up' some lab tests.

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    2. Re:Not quite a cloaking device by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

      In practice, this means designing quantum corals, elliptical nanostructures, that absorb terahertz waves of specific frequencies. [...] Such a quantum coral...

      If you had enough quantum corals, could you build a quantum reef?

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    3. Re:Not quite a cloaking device by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      This is not meant to be a 'cloak of invisibility'(D&D/RPG style), nor a 'cloaking device'(Romulan style) device, just (initially) a means to 'clean up' some lab tests.

      And I thought this is why all that dark matter, apparently so prevalent in the universe, is so difficult to detect.

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    4. Re:Not quite a cloaking device by xonar · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up funny, hur hur hur

  4. AHHHHHHHH! AHHHHHH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now I can finally lose my stuff in the fabric of reality... not just underneath the front seat of my car.

  5. Tough challenge? by PeterAitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The theoreticians seem have thrown down a considerable challenge here. Designing and building will likely be very different things. Makes most of the stuff fabricated so far seem almost macro-scale.

    Isn't it a bit naughty to include star-trek tags on a real-science piece (even if it IS distinctly theoretical)?

  6. Wait, when did molecules becomes species? by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "suited to detecting molecules of specific species"

    Don't they mean specimens?

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    1. Re:Wait, when did molecules becomes species? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just thought they were able to distinguish cat molecules from dog molecules, or something.

    2. Re:Wait, when did molecules becomes species? by physicsphairy · · Score: 1

      species
      noun
      1. a class of individuals having some common characteristics or qualities; distinct sort or kind.

    3. Re:Wait, when did molecules becomes species? by PrimordialSoup · · Score: 1

      "suited to detecting molecules of specific species"

      Don't they mean specimens?

      I havent RTFA, but they mean "molecules of specific species" in the sense of metals being different from non-metals or transistion elements, so they are referring to specific species in that sense, its just an expression :P

  7. I see they copied my idea by gparent · · Score: 1

    In the quantum world, seeing is equivalent to detecting a quantum object. In the case of molecules, that means looking for the terahertz radiation they produce when they vibrate (abstract). By designing a 'quantum corral,' an elliptical nanostructures that absorbs terahertz waves at a precise frequency, the team says it is possible to hide molecules that emit at exactly that frequency. They say their quantum corral would be ideally suited to detecting molecules of specific species while ignoring others. And that may mean a new generation of molecular detectors on the horizon."

    That's what I've been saying all along!

    1. Re:I see they copied my idea by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sorry, but this idea was invented by Shampoo.

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  8. Schroedinger and Heissenberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Schroedinger and Heissenberg already figured that one out...

  9. Random applplication thought by erareno · · Score: 1

    Well, if we ever get nanobots that can detect cancer cells, we could (in theory) detect irregularities in the frequencies emitted by unhealthy(cancer) cells in the body. I have no idea whatsoever if that's even viable (it might be that cancer cells still give off the same frequency) but it's a thought nonetheless.

    1. Re:Random applplication thought by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      Well, I was thinking a detector to accurately represent the wave form of any molecule, creating an equal inverted wave, and shooting it back at the molecule.

      e=mc^2

      Particles are waves - so why couldn't we just unmake the particle? Bwa ha ha! Quantum Bomb?

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  10. Duh..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 3, Informative

    "By designing a 'quantum corral,' an elliptical nanostructures that absorbs terahertz waves at a precise frequency, the team says it is possible to hide molecules that emit at exactly that frequency."

    -No shit. You can hide objects by thowing something that absorbs the radiation emitted by them. I can hide an LED by keeping it in my shed, with the shed's construction material absorbing the light and heat emitted by the LED.

    Basically, the nanostructure they built is nothing more than a filter that filters out terahertz wavelengths, like a red colored filter blocks out wavelengths in that frequency range.

    Not a "breakthrough" by any means, but interesting in that they developed a substance that can filter out terahertz wavelengths.

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    1. Re:Duh..... by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      This was my first thought on reading the summary. That you can make a molecule invisible by shielding detection is like saying you can make the sun invisible by putting a box over your head.

    2. Re:Duh..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Dang that was the most insightful comment in this thread!

      Moderators, do your duty!!!

    3. Re:Duh..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a "breakthrough" by any means, but interesting in that they developed a substance that can filter out terahertz wavelengths.

      They haven't actually developed the substance yet, as it is still at theoretical level. It might work, but only real experiment will tell.

    4. Re:Duh..... by MaxwellEdison · · Score: 1

      Could be an interesting experiment. We would know the material is working by not detecting the terahertz radiation, but we'll need some way of detecting if the particles are still actually there. It may seem like common sense to say, "of course they're still there...you insensitive clod!" But unless we have the ability to turn this theoretical filter on and off we may never be sure.

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  11. Strange Idea I had... by NoobixCube · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know almost nothing about quantum mechanics, so correct me if I'm wrong. On this scale, isn't observation interaction? Would preventing observation also prevent interaction with what is inside the cloak? How would the cloak behave if you tried to detect what's in it with a laser (or something)?

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    1. Re:Strange Idea I had... by srothroc · · Score: 1

      I'm no quantum physicist either, but it seems to me that a cloak is a cloak... Consider a man wearing black clothing hiding in a dark room. You try to find him with a flashlight, just like you'd try to find the molecules in the cloak. So if you tried, one of two things would happen:

      1. You wouldn't detect the molecules because of the cloak.
      2. You'd detect them and the cloak would be a failure.

      Certainly nothing of universe-imploding significance, I think.

    2. Re:Strange Idea I had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If all the reflected waves are absorbed, the object will be black (at least in the spectrum of absorbed wave frequencies). Thus, the object is detectable indirectly, by absence of reflected frequencies.

      Phail!

    3. Re:Strange Idea I had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could quantum cloaking be used in someway to help prevent decoherence? Could this technology help quantum computing somehow?

    4. Re:Strange Idea I had... by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      On this scale, isn't observation interaction?

      i think you mean the scale below - quarks. those have only been able to be observed by interaction (where-the-hell-is-that-quark-now-science).

      i could be completely wrong as i'm not a quantum physicist either

  12. Everything and nothing...all at once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the state of a cloaked quantum molecule? You can't observe it...

    1. Re:Everything and nothing...all at once by philspear · · Score: 1

      I know! I only read the title (don't have time to RTFS) but I just gotta say, mollecules are already pretty much invisible! I mean, when's the last time you were all like "There's too much oxygen mollecules, I can't see the strippers!" Probably never.

    2. Re:Everything and nothing...all at once by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      I've certainly never been to a strip club containing an abundance of oxygen molecules...

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  13. Durrr? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This drab technology is no more amazing than the "cloaking" technology that hides copper in infrared. Its ridiculous technology like this that becomes tomorrow's practical application, somehow somewhere.

    Who the hell would have thought shooting light in a beam would be so useful?

  14. The real challenge in cloaking by hoytak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is the engineering. I recently attended a talk where the speaker presented a theoretical way to completely cloak a large object (i.e. person, car, etc.). It was possible to completely prevent detection within a reasonable range of the visible spectrum. (I don't think it's been published yet, or I'd post a link.) The assumption was that the object was surrounded by a material in which you had complete control of the metric space properties, i.e. the propagation coefficient of light at each point. Now there's a challenge for the engineers...

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    1. Re:The real challenge in cloaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that where infrared comes into play?

  15. DRM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why does cynical in me thinks the first use they are going to give this technology is some kind of molecular DRM, so for example expensive drugs cant be properly copied.

    1. Re:DRM... by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      Yes, lets eat the cloaking devices.

      "Where's my shit, I knew I shit in the toilet, I even heard it!"

    2. Re:DRM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because you're not just ignorant, you're a fucking moron.

    3. Re:DRM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're just trolling and you're pretty poor at it. faggot.

    4. Re:DRM... by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

      You sir, are a dispicable human being, and a poor excuse for a sentient life form. Your mother cried when you were born because she thought you were an abortion. She cried "baaaaaaaa." Your father spent his life on a farm, until he was neutered and sent to the grand canyon to carry tourists on his back. When he saw the pretty colors he jumped off the cliff. There was no mourning. The crow that started to eat his carcass threw up, and the remainder of it killed three colonies of ants. His poisonous and filthy bearing has been passed on to you by the combined curses of every woman you have caddishly attempted to speak to.

      Your family is a running joke in three countries and your sadly mutilated face has been the subject of scientific speculation among the more strong-stomached set who can bear to look at you. The people you call friends only let you think that because they know no one will believe you and out of morbid curiosity about what bizarre and miserable failure you will commit next.

      Your attempts at humor themselves are mildly amusing to the more purile set, but the methods with which you carry them out fail to amuse even the lice you carry aout with you like a cloak. Your crowning achievement was, after three decades of hard work, getting promoted to "special assistant manager" at the local Mcdonalds. The man who promoted you was fired on the spot ant the grade immediately removed but no one could stomach talking to you long enough to inform you about the change. Your manners are deplorable, your breath offends llamas, your stench is overwelming, your mind is sub-infantile, and you have something stuck in your teeth. When you take your place among the dammed you will make their damnation a thousand times greater. May that event happen immediately.

      --
      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
  16. One minor correction. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    ". . .like a red colored filter blocks out wavelengths in that frequency range."

    From what I remember from high school physics class, a red filter blocks out *everything except for* light in the red frequency ranges. That is, it allows red to pass, but blocks green, blue, yellow, etc.

  17. What say you, Heisenberg? by scorpivs · · Score: 1

    What presence or bearing could we suppose such a discovery might/might not have as regards the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the applicable research being done in situ?

    --
    There is nothing to FEAR but NOTHING itself; and I fear there is a whole lot of nothing going on. --scorpivs
    1. Re:What say you, Heisenberg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's easy: "Cat? What cat? I don't see any cat."

  18. != Invisible by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Putting something where it can't be seen is not the same as making it invisible. Making it unable to be seen at a particular frequency does not mean it can't interact with something else, for instance gravitationally with the 'corral'. That would make it detected.

    If the above were not so, all your friends who didn't happen to be within eyesight would be invisible. Nothing wrong with that as long as you're willing to accept the notion that just because your friends are invisible doesn't mean they're imaginary.

    At best, in complete isolation, the molecule would be both visible and invisible. It would be in Schroedinger's cat box.

    --
    "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
    1. Re:!= Invisible by aztektum · · Score: 1

      I don't think they're using invisible to mean "imperceptible". More like they're using it to say "typically we detect molecules by looking for their terahertz radiation. this method makes them invisible using that method." By your definition, not being able to interact with ANYTHING else really means the object doesn't exist. My invisible friend really takes exception to that.

      --
      :: aztek ::
      No sig for you!!
    2. Re:!= Invisible by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      You leave my imaginary friends out of this, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:!= Invisible by Shivinski · · Score: 0

      Nothing wrong with that as long as you're willing to accept the notion that just because your friends are invisible doesn't mean they're imaginary.

      Finally! I have an argument against all the people who say my girlfriend isn't real!

    4. Re:!= Invisible by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

      I don't think they're using invisible to mean "imperceptible". More like they're using it to say "typically we detect molecules by looking for their terahertz radiation. this method makes them invisible using that method." By your definition, not being able to interact with ANYTHING else really means the object doesn't exist. My invisible friend really takes exception to that.

      They're not saying it by saying it? Masking a particular frequency doesn't make something invisible. Radiation impinging on the object being passed through as if the object weren't there, that's invisible. Obviously they're not saying imperceptible because they're talking about using the device as a detector.

      Theoretically an object could exist that couldn't interact with anything. Practically this is impossible as everything in the universe was part of a singularity initially and thus entangled. By Bell's theorem everything retains this entanglement via "spooky action at a distance". Perfect isolation or undetectability is impossible.

      But to make it up to you, my invisible friend has taken yours to lunch.

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      "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
  19. Duh???? You're stealing populuar sayings by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    Although, the shed example is likely to work, you came up with a better idea even eariler. The first words of your response are "No Shit". Too bad you included the word 'No'. Shit, it seems, could easily block out the light as well as a shed. And, I should add, its much cheaper.

    And based on your response, Shit, is what the scientists are full of.

  20. In Soviet Russia.. by bronney · · Score: 1

    Dog molecules detects YOU!

  21. Re:Not so invisible as the goatse by philspear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, that was hideously visible. If it were invisible, that would be creepy, but seeing that guy's very much opaque intestines is worse.

  22. What science has done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You thought sharks with lasers are gonna be awesome?

    How about INVISIBLE sharks lasers?

  23. No ship that small... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing that small has a cloaking device.

  24. Now they can stop meeting at operas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bond's got his work cut out for him now.

  25. brain ache by smoker2 · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm conflating two different areas of "quantum" here, but here goes.

    At the quantum level of physics, if you observe something, the very act of observing will cause the quantum state to collapse, meaning you can't directly observe what ever it is you are trying to observe !?
    If you can create a filter that effectively only allows you to observe things that can pass through that filter, doesn't that mean that a quantum objects state can now be defined without direct observation ? The filter has already defined what may be observed, so any results acquired through that filter must be equivalent to what you defined as the filter. More positive hits ?

    The only way my tiny mind can demonstrate this is something like :
    If you are in a room, with the door locked and the lights out, you do not need to observe the door opening to detect that it has opened, and to thereby infer that a person has opened it, and further that that person has a key to the door.

  26. Thats impressive but... by Jester'snotmynicknam · · Score: 1

    If all the mad supergeniuses trying to get the word p3n*s through my email filter would turn their attention to this instead, we'd be cloaking whole planets by now. ... and solved AIDS and cancer. and boredom. i could go on...

  27. Maybe.... by Igarden2 · · Score: 1

    Maybe that's how all that dark matter is hiding.

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    Normally I ascribe all life to intelligent design, but in your case I'll make an exception.
  28. Obligatory Star Trek reference by Rysc · · Score: 1

    I just love scanning for lire forms!

    Life forms!
    You tiny little life forms!
    You precious little life forms!
    Where are you?

    --
    I want my Cowboyneal
  29. Look for new sports records by WindShadow · · Score: 1

    On the principle that any good science will be used for evil purposes I postulate that this will lead to a new generation of undetectable performance enhancing drugs.

    You wouldn't want to waste this capability doing useful research, would you?