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LHC Repair To Cost At Least $21 Million
ThanatosMinor writes "September's quench at the Large Hadron Collider is going to cost CERN at least $21 million and delay future collisions until June of 2009 at the earliest. Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon."
...that the LHC's generated particles from the future will not let it function.
Any life is made up of a single moment, the moment in which a man finds out, once and for all, who he is.
We are already in another reality! They ran it and in this reality it won't work and therefore we're stuck here! I have proof! I'm not crazy! In another reality, I have an account and my user # is double digit! In my reality, get this, the US is a capitalist country and the President elect is white!
Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon.
I thought all /. readers by now (especially those keeping up with news on the LHC like this guy) would know that the black holes created by this thing will evaporate before being able to do any damage (which would take a long time anyway given how small they would be). What's with the scaremongering, ThanatosMinor? Are you trying to use the "last few months on earth" gag to pick up insecure chicks?
which is totally what she said
Professor Farnsworth's doomsday devices are a lot more expensive and they haven't even been invented yet!
...they should fire that thing at a small gold pin. What could possibly go wrong?
Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
If you worked at the LHC you too would be happy to hear "The repair will cost at least $21 million."... ... If the last comment before that was "Dear God it's all falling appart!".
That would be lame. Imagine this dialogue:
Nerd guy: 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon and...'
Beautiful girl: 'Damn... So I have to use all the time that I have to make sex to all those non-nerd guys over there. Bye!'
Any life is made up of a single moment, the moment in which a man finds out, once and for all, who he is.
bbc reported the same thing...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7734251.stm
I like their quote "The cost of the work will fall within the Cern's existing budget" though it does make me idly speculate on the size of their budget and how large a secret fortress I could build with it....
Large Hadron Forever?
I record my sleeptalking
Complete sense-of-humor failure over there. It's also in a couple of the above replies.
Rob
Great work if you can get it. Need 20 million in funding? Drop a wrench into something that looks complicated. :)
A work that expires before its copyright never enters the public domain and thus enjoys eternal copyright protection.
They should have planned for this kind of thing and taken it into account, like by having a few months of performing shake-down tests and finding any problems then!
Oh, wait...
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
want to admit that Carmen Sandiego managed to steal the whole thing.
They are gonna get me a black hole for my birthday!
--Thomas J. Owens
That would be lame. Imagine this dialogue:
Nerd guy: 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon and...'
Beautiful girl: 'Damn... So I have to use all the time that I have to make sex to all those non-nerd guys over there. Bye!'
No you've got it all wrong. Its 'And then, we will be stuck in the event horizon, but with my new flux capacitor I can bring two person through into a parallel universe across the twenty-fifth dimension. One of them has to be me, because only I can control it and I was thinking perhaps you... but no it would mean staying in a confined space without light for hours
several hours later: Gosh this parallel world is the one just like ours but where the laws of physics are different enough that the LHC didn't make a black hole'
The parallel universes in which the LHC works without failure are already wiped out by the LHC, that's why any concious being, like you, can only be in a universe in which the LHC fails!
I thought all /. readers by now could recognize humor.
Which will completely implode first: the planet's economy or the planet itself?
If the economy goes first then there'll be no money for LHC. If the planet goes first it will be a significant disruption to normal economic activity.
You'd be mistaken. If he included a wink or something to suggest that he wasn't a moron who actually was worried about the possibility of a black hole, then it might have been very slightly funnier than something that isn't at all funny.
which is totally what she said
Wow that's old. But anyway...I'll reply here for the interested. Feel free to mod me offtopic (because I am):
What killed BBSes was none of those things.
1) That's why post/call ratios were invented. Duh.
2) The technical clique were often right there with the gabbers. We talked to the gabbers to pick up chicks. Most of us were successful, too. I went on a few dates. None of them ever turned into anything serious, but it was still fun.
3) Maybe. I lived in an area with lots of BBSes, and I don't think that having a number to choose from was a bad thing.
4) Not sure the 'loss of anonymity' ever occurred 100%. The last BBS I ever signed onto I signed on with a handle. My BBS had handles right up until I took it down in 1992.
6) Yes, the press were a bunch of arrogant pricks who didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Don't think they had *that* much impact, though.
7) I tend to agree, but there were also plenty of technically competent sysops, too, and so I don't think that ignorant sysops killed BBSes, either.
Finally, what killed BBSes was cheap, widely available Internet access. After people saw 'Teh Intarweb!!!' BBSes just seemed to pale in comparison.
My blog
"The media portrayal of the LHC experiments has been branded as irresponsible and sensationalist by psychologists - especially since the death of a 16-year-old Indian girl, who killed herself after being distressed by the coverage on an Indian news channel."
The threat to human life from people like KDawson posting sensationalist anti-LHC garbage to places like /. is real and documented. At least one person has actually, demonstrably died due to the precise behaviour that KDawson is exhibiting on this story.
The supposed threat from the LHC, on the other hand, is a fantasy made up and promoted by irresponsible, money-hungry media shills like KDawson to sell ads.
The LHC is safe. People like KDawson kill.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
CERN's budget is not secret at all. It is something like 800 million EUR per year.
What intrigues me is that the numerical value has remained the same, despite inflation eating up its worth through the years...
..it has to be Gman..
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/nov08/6931/2
Surely one hour's R&D expenses could be spared for the LHC.
NOOO!!! :D
There's a theory (or something) that says that positron--stuff left over from the stripped-protons colliding--are actually happening quite frequently in nature when they are brought to Earth by the Sun's -thingys-, and so this artificial recreation will not form a Black Hole.
Thank you Popular Science
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Why not? They can afford to spend that much every minute on Iraq.
I like to think of online DRM as something akin to a college -- you pay for lessons until you learn something.
Enjoy your last few months outside of an event horizon.
It's been my life long dream to experience an Event Horizon. The only shame is I won't be able to contemplate such a great experience afterwards. ;)
I love how your sig fits the scenario you describe so perfectly.
WWJD.... for a Klondike bar?
for not buying the extended warranty!
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
I can see that you have given this matter altogether too much consideration.
The total cost of the is estimated to be somewhere between 3 billion to 7 billion. A couple of tens of millions will increase the overall cost by less than 1%.
Yes, but compare results! Bush succeeded in turning Iraq into a black hole, sucking in blood, money, and the least important thing, his reputation, the LHC has yet to create any!
Monstar L
Exactly. Besides, the live webcam looks fine.
The ______ Agenda
At least one person has killer herself because she went into an irrational panic, and did something stupid and rash. That's often a sign of psychological problems.
Yeah, the media coverage has been sensationalist and dumb. But it didn't kill anyone.
Sounds like a case of "A joke isn't funny if it needs to be explained."
I'm guessing that /.'ers know that the LHC is not going to form a black hole. In case you don't here's the math.
Mass of a intermediate black hole = 1000x the mass of the sun
Mass of the sun = 332,946x the mass of the Earth
Mass of the Earth = 6x10^24 kg
Therefor mass of black hole = 2x10^(33) kg
Mass of a proton = 1.67x10^(-27) kg
The crushing force of a black hole is caused by its density, a large mass in a small volume (1000x the mass of the sun in a 1,000km diameter ball -> ~size of the Earth).
So flinging around 40 or so protons in a 27km diameter tunnel is not going to destroy our solar system (or reshape the galaxy).
mod up for saying 'make sex' and causing me to think she was Vietnamese or something.
One sucks, the other sells vacuum cleaners?
One swallow does not a fellatrix make
The time when the black hole jokes was funny has passed. Please move on.
You fool, a flux capacitor won't get you out of the black hole. You need to find a crack in the event horizon and then you can simply walk out.
Tell me - what are you three going to do after January 20, 2009? What will fill the gigantic void in your life and ability to express thoughts and feelings? Because, sooner or later, people are going to get tired of the constant, droning, repetitive rant that makes up your daily existence...Oh, wait - that's already happened.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
Clearly, they won't really get all of the kinks worked out of this thing until December 2012 (see http://www.december212012.com/).
I got that it could be a joke while reading, but I've also seen a lot of people who are atually worried about black holes (I was one until I read some informative comments and links here on /. ).
which is totally what she said
I guess they really have managed to create an actual black hole!!
This is not the Sarah Conner you are looking for.
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That seems like flawless reasoning.
What's the problem here?
Reverse polarity, lower shields, increase tachyon bursts, invert phase shifting, and, of course, divert power.
All flawless reasoning.
I just pooped your party.
You forgot the warp particles, not to mention two other important ingredients: total disregard for any kind of science and rape of my childhood.
Yeah the only problem is that it's cost him billions of dollars to do the same thing. With the LHC we're at least getting more bang for the buck! ... or more suck for the buck
Although Bush sucks pretty hardcore himself.
Hmm. I thought you were talking about LHC not LSD.
which would take a long time anyway given how small they would be
I heart 5 years. I heard that it starts out so small but grows at some crazy rate such that it would be undetectable for 5 years passing through and orbiting our planet. Then we would have 2 minutes of what feels like an earthquake, then we get sucked into another dimension (after being crushed to death).
Seconded.
Attention deficit disorder is a complicated issue, spanning several major... HEY LET'S GO RIDE BIKES!
Holy god people, kdawson's last sentence is just about drowning in sarcasm, but half the people posting are taking it as serious.
What, are we supposed to end things with /sarcasm tags to keep the ridiculously literal from being offended?
Reverse polarity, lower shields, increase tachyon bursts, invert phase shifting, and, of course, divert power.
No, no no, CROSS THE BEAMS !
I thought all slashdot moderators, by now, would be savvy to the practice of replying to a fp in order to get comments listed earlier in a discussion.
And I also thought that most slashdot posters would be savvy to the use of tongue-in-cheekery... which assumes that the reader actually knows what's going on (which, if they are a regular slashdot reader, they should).
Seriously. Whoosh.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
but with my new flux capacitor I can bring two person through into a parallel universe across the twenty-fifth dimension
I can see that you have given this matter altogether too much consideration.
Still I'm not sure on what he means with a "flux capacitor".
Does he mean a "fictional electronic device", "an illegal drug" or "male genitalia".
At least if you have a precisely shaped-charge nuke, you just blow it up in front of the black hole. Sheez--everybody knows that.
It was the only other comment when I posted if you check the times. Whatever, there are no rules saying that I should have to start my own thread, the reply button on comments is a lot easier to get to than the constantly changing story reply one.
Tongue in cheek is fine if it's not presented as actual ignorance. In this case it could have gone either way, but I've seen plenty of /.ers in LHC threads who are still worried because they haven't actually looked into it. Yes, I thought the guy might have been joking, but it seemed even more likely to me that he wasn't. He didn't evne use an exclamation mark let alone any kind of emote to show his tone.
which is totally what she said
-_-
any black holes created would be tiny - so tiny that they have a very small chance of even swallowing any particles during their existence, and evaporate "within a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second" (linky). That seems a lot shorter than the 5 years you say it would take to cause a problem.
which is totally what she said
I am anticipating further delays until December 2011.
Here is a picture of a simulated collision in the ATLAS detector that creates a black hole:
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/936914
This happen all the time near earth and is not dangerous at all. This is nothing unknown, or mystic or strange. AFAIK the LHC is not even the first accelerator to create black holes.
Is that the date that's been set to withdraw from Iraq? If so, then of course we'll stop complaining about the ongoing cost of the war in Iraq. Otherwise, we'll continue complaining until the withdrawal takes place.
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
I can see that you have given this matter altogether too much consideration.
He's given it the right amount of consideration... he has a plan which just might succeed.
"Who modded this informative? Whoever it is must've been smokin' some of that martian pot!"
Nah, he didn't think about it that much. He got the idea from me. And let me tell you, it works quite wonderfully.
the black holes created by this thing
That's assuming it creates any, which supposedly isn't the most likely outcome
"sudo rm -rf your-face"
The repercussions of the Bush admin will last for years, if not decades. There's plenty of fodder to pick on for a long time! Obama will inherit big bailouts, the FED giving out trillions in loans secretly, warrant less wiretaps (Obama did vote for that one), two wars, and whole lot more.
(With high pitched voices.) We noticed the helium leak when Bob's voice changed. Everyone rushed in to join in on the fun.
Have you ever seen a mini black hole? Everything gets sucked in. It's like a nuclear compression charge going off. Looks good! From a distance.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
as a joke. Maybe the reason some people don't see it as funny is because the scientists involved aren't doing a very good job explaining how what they're doing isn't dangerous.
The fact that you thought the submitter was being serious would indicate that you aren't sure that there couldn't be serious consequences to making little black holes.
Work Safe Porn
Sound more like a case of "I didn't get it so it wasn't funny."
Does tongue-in-cheekery have anything at all to do with ass-hattery?
You should make a fake machine with no windows, and have someone pick up the machine and leave it in a deserted area to make her think you're the last man on earth once it's "safe to come out". I don't think just a few hours in the dark in a confined space would do it, even then you'd be taking a lot of the fun out of it. If she finds out that civilization hasn't been destroyed, you can make up something leading to your explanation and she'll still think you saved her life, making her less repulsed by you. Win-win!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I'm starting to wonder if the thing's capable of working at all. It might be too big and complex to function for long, if ever. Either have machines design the next one or wait for evolution because the car driving apes have hit a wall.
I remember reading about a Large Hadron Collider at CERN(?) in that book Angels & Daemons by Dan Brown. Never did any research about it but it's damn scary that it's possible. That said, I can't wait until the media finally releases where the REAL Jurassic Park is located.
Frankly, I'm quite surprised that the repairs aren't costing $23 Million...
Some people really think all blondes are dumb. But explaining that it's not true everytime someone tells a blonde joke would just be douchey.
First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?
dude who cares about BBS anyway.
what was seriously cool is getting a two way chat
terminal going.
of course u needed a household with two phone lines
"bot, why isnt the fax working?"(:quote dad), so you could explain to your friend on the other
end how to setup the terminal. the first line being the phone
line. duh. z-modem ruleZ
thanks for sierra BBS that helped me get thru leisure suite larry I.
Great work if you can get it. Need 20 million in funding? Drop a wrench into something that looks complicated. :)
... for some values of "something". For others, it might not be such a good idea.
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Big numbers! Soo - this works out as what, around 0.3% of the construction budget so far? Or about 3% of their yearly operating budget?
All in all it sounds to be about equal to paying $2.50 for a spare power cable for the $800 pc you just bought.
I am surprised it didn't cost more - I suspect that replacing coolant takes quite a significant part in that sum.
A syringe full of a DMT solution would go a long way towards convincing her she'd travelled between dimensions...
Radtea, you murderer!
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
I surmise, that the LHC, so far, is already acting like a black hole. I look at my blank BIONC screensaver daily with disappointment. Oh well, switching back to boring grid computing problems like world health and hunger.
what the budget for the Death Star might be like. Imagine Luke and the Rebel Alliance saved by technical difficulty. :)
Which kinds of racism do you approve of?