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How to Deal With an Aging Brain?

An anonymous reader writes "I'm sure this is something all older Slashdotters are aware of: as I get older my once-sharp brain is, well, getting worse. In particular, I'm not able to remember things as well as I once did. As a geek my capacity in this area was always what defined me as a geek. Nowadays things seem to go in OK, but then leak out. A few weeks later I've mostly forgotten. So, I ask Slashdot: how do you cope with your mind getting older? What's your trick? Fish-oil? Brain Training on the DS? Exercise? Or just trying harder to remember things?"

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  1. Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simply take yourself out of situations where it matters ;p

    Seriously though.. where I work a lot of the "older guy's" tend to migrate into roles where they don't need to keep mountains of info bouncing around their head all the time. Roles where people come to them for guidance and advice.. but don't expect them to know the ins and outs of the systems. Let the young guys be the walking encyclopedias while you chill-ax into retirement.

    1. Re:Or.. by weave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, that's called management -- and it makes things worse if you really care. You get out of doing the fun stuff day to day and spend it all in meetings and dealing with personnel issues. It quickly speeds up the brain rot. :-(

    2. Re:Or.. by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like to think you need a combination of old stubborn guys deeply set in their way.. and new young go-getters fresh out of academia with all sorts of "agile methodologies".

      What you said is true.. if your entire management thinks CS died with COBOL .. then you're in trouble..

      On the other hand if your entire management is young go-getters with little experience in the realities of software.. all sorts of bad things happen (*cough* executable uml)

      The constant struggle between the new guys to get some of the neat stuff they saw in uni into the mix and the old guys who think it's all a bunch of nonsense will in the right balance lead to a happy medium.

    3. Re:Or.. by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      "a lot of the "older guy's" tend to migrate into roles where they don't need to keep mountains of info bouncing around their head all the time."

      Hello! Welcome to Wal-Mart.

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    4. Re:Or.. by weave · · Score: 4, Funny

      plus you now have someone who is inflexible and deeply entrenched in their ways managing

      You're absolutely right, which is why I do my best to NOT manage like that. I have some very talented staff who are doing amazing things. All I do anymore is sit back in my chair and say "make it so" and die a little more inside.

    5. Re:Or.. by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yea, i suppose it's better to have a good balance of old & new. it's not just about counterbalancing each other, but also because when you have to convince a stubborn old-timer whose approval you need to proceed, it makes you think more carefully about your proposals, which puts that much more scrutiny on radical & untested ideas.

      it's always good to have a little tension to force people to put more thought into their idea/position since they'll have to defend it against opposing viewpoints. it also helps to stimulate discussion, which itself can lead to new innovations or improvements on existing proposals.

      i think most businesses understand that you need little new blood as well as experienced senior managers. but government & politics is a different story. even elected officials tend to always be middle-aged individuals. perhaps voters put too much weight on experience, which is often equated with qualification/aptitude, and not enough weight on actual intelligence & ability. someone who's relatively young and inexperienced can still be more knowledgeable or competent than an older seasoned politician. someone who's not a "professional politician" is also more likely to bring a fresh perspective with them, one that is more in touch with the electorate. they're the ones who're likely to see the problems with the existing system and make the necessary reforms.

    6. Re:Or.. by arminw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ....Don't forget nutrition...

      Since your brain, as all nerve tissue is mostly fat, eating good fats is a very important part of that. Some fats are easily damaged or broken. On a molecular level it is analogous to eating shards of broken glass. Modern factory fats are processed with high heat and pressure, resulting in damaged, broken fats. For non-heating applications, such as salads stick with virgin cold pressed olive oil. Avoid soybean and canola and other vegetable oils. In and of themselves these are not bad, but it is their processing that damages them and makes them dangerous to your body as a whole. You cannot build a decent house with broken and cracked bricks. Likewise your nerve cells cannot be rebuilt or repaired with broken fats. Semi-solid NATURAL fats, such as coconut oil and butter are good for frying because these can take moderate heat without breaking up into dangerous fragments. Fry things at the lowest practicable temperature. Avoid exposing *any* food to high temperatures that can cause dangerous broken molecules to be generated

      Homogenized milk breaks up the fat globules into particles small enough to keep the cream from separating out. Unfortunately, that also makes the fat particles small enough to be able to pass from the intestine, undigested, directly into your blood. That then helps clog arteries. Pasteurization kills possible pathogens, but also destroys the enzymes that enable you to properly digest milk. That is the biggest reason for lactose intolerance. Hydrogenated industrial fats, such as margarine, are very bad for your body and brain. These help clog arteries, starving the brain of oxygen and nutrients.

      In general, any food "...ated" or "...ized" should be minimized. Refined sugar, white bread and especially high fructose corn syrup, such as found in most soft drinks should be mostly stricken from your diet. Live as much as possible on minimally processed, natural food. Get enough exercise and fresh air. Getting enough sleep and at least one good day of rest a week is also important.

      Also, learn how any medicines you take long term (more than a months) work. If their operation blocks or inhibits an otherwise normal or needed function, could that be good in the long term? In most technical systems, blocking or inhibiting an otherwise normal, designed in function, is almost universally bad. Why should that not also be the case for the operation of your complex body system? Your body is a marvelous machine that will serve you better if you take care of it. Your whole body, including the brain CAN work better, even when you get older.

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    7. Re:Or.. by WillKemp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget nutrition. If you don't feed your brain right, it's not going to work for you. I could be wrong, but I'd bet your probably missing some veggies in your diet, maybe some protein.

      I was vegetarian for most of my life and vegan for 14 years. In 02, at the age of 44, i started eating fish and i noticed a distinct improvement in my memory over the next year or two.

      I stopped drinking beer at the same time - which was probably related too.

    8. Re:Or.. by lilomar · · Score: 2, Funny

      only if your definition of junk food includes things like pasteurized milk...

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    9. Re:Or.. by theaveng · · Score: 5, Insightful

      +1

      And I'll add a little quote from Albert Einstein: "Why bother to meoorize that which you can look up in a book?" The ability to DO the problem and solve the equations is more important than to remember how many megabits a PCI Express can carry.

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    10. Re:Or.. by troll8901 · · Score: 2, Funny

      All I do anymore is sit back in my chair and say "make it so" and die a little more inside.

      Let me work for you!

      I'll even wear a communications pin!

    11. Re:Or.. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2, Funny

      I went to a comprehensive you insensitive clod.

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    12. Re:Or.. by couchslug · · Score: 2, Funny

      "At least you know what you will be doing when you reach that age..."

      You're just jealous that MY career path won't be outsourced! 8-P

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    13. Re:Or.. by badzilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't want to memorise what you could look up in a book? No MCSE for YOU!

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    14. Re:Or.. by IICV · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe I've just been reading too much Respectful Insolence, but I'm going to need a citation to a peer reviewed medical paper for each of those claims. What you wrote reads entirely too much like the sort of pseudoscientific twadddle you find all over the internets - four paragraphs consisting mostly of plausible-sounding but probably ultimately wrong science, with randomly scattered common sense ("Get enough exercise and fresh air") to make it all seem more reasonable.

    15. Re:Or.. by TheLink · · Score: 2

      Yep living longer is good, just _lasting_ longer is pointless.

      Well my philosophy is if your body has made it to 50 on whatever you're doing with no major ill effects ( stuff like cholesterol a bit on the high side doesn't really count, whereas needing a bypass or having angina does count), then maybe changing is not such a good idea unless you actually like the change :).

      I figure if some old lady has made it to 80 while smoking and drinking lots of coffee (coffee is good for health if you can tolerate it), you'd probably kill her if you made her stop. Or it takes a fair bit of joy out of her life.

      But if you're already getting heart problems when you're 40ish, I figure it is a bit too soon to go yet, and there's probably plenty more stuff you'd want to do other than eat twinkies or whatever it is that's giving you health problems.

      I personally like fish (salmon mmmm :p ), so it's not a minus to me to eat more fish.

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    16. Re:Or.. by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I see your point, but I think that's a slight oversimplification. Just because one's knees are starting to creak doesn't automatically mean one is stubborn and set in one's ways. And you've never met an excruciatingly stubborn person in their twenties?

      I suspect that as people age they just become more of what they already are. I also suspect there's a little ageism at work also -- that "confident" and "headstrong" becomes "stubborn" and "arrogant" as the wrinkles become visible.

      I look back at how I was straight out of college and am a little embarrassed. If anyone over 30 isn't a little contrite about how they acted fresh out of college, they probably need some introspection time. It all depends on where you work, of course, but a moderately successful, fairly young company will have already investigated those methodologies and either made them work -- rather than just marks on the chalkboard -- or already dumped them as this year's Shiny Object. Or last year's. Or last decade's, depending on what school you went to. Schools aren't always up to date either.

      So the last thing we need is some young buck with no experience making a lot of noise about a process that we've already tried, of which we've already enumerated the weakness, and either dumped or heavily modified.

      Mind you, fresh ideas are very important, but just because you recently graduated doesn't necessarily make your ideas fresh, and you probably haven't yet learned enough social skills to present them in a way that people can find acceptable. In other words, you kids get offa my lawn. Use the sidewalk, ring the door bell, be polite, and we'll talk. You might be surprised at how little you know. Or, you might surprise me. Let's find out together.

      Incidentally, my high-school-aged daughter is 40 years younger than I (we started late) and she's perpetually annoyed that I can do her algebra problems in my head faster than she can do them on the calculator. Sigh. Schools today...

      But back to the original question. I think that brains atrophy just like any other organ you don't use. I've been a little lucky in that my career has included jobs that required the ability to describe a process using calculus. I use algebra and trig (admittedly high-school level) on a daily basis. Also, I submit that anyone in IT who isn't working for the government or a utility needs to scramble to keep up on current technology, and I think that also helps exercise the brain. Now if I could only remember people's names...

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    17. Re:Or.. by epine · · Score: 2

      This is actually a profound subject, though few of the posts I've read seem to agree. The youthful fear age, so they mock it.

      What I recall reading is that functional memory remains strong in our middle years, but we tend to lose incidental memories, memories about other things we were doing at the time.

      In my work, we've just designed a circuit board around a processor family I used once before, in a contract five years ago. I recall the architecture quite well. I recall which tasks caused me more pain than expected. But I don't recall the exact names of the tools I used. And I used these tools daily for more than a year. What was the name of that crappy debugger and that stupid JTAG pod? Ten years ago, chances I would have forgotten these details were essentially zilch. Once I did a little research on the web, it all came back to me, but I had to trigger the recollections externally.

      I suspect the availability of memory is one of the main reasons many mathematicians and scientists do their best work at a young age. In order to notice obscure lateral connections, you need powerful recall. Matching a pattern is a form of memory.

      Even with my memory in noticeable decline (which galls me, but what can you do?) I hardly feel obsolete. It's like I'll never run the marathon in 2:30 again. Does that make me unfit? Hardly, but some of the people around me might now remember more than I do. At this stage in my career I won't be the first to put up my hand to take on the task of programming to an API of 200 badly designed, irregular functions. (Unless it's PHP. When you have an API of 2000 irregular functions, it puts us all on the same footing. We're all programming with on hand on the PHP guide book. But I digress.)

      In the age of Google, it's not clear to me what we actually *need* to remember. One thing I decided is that before I get really old, I'm going to train myself to check a memory aid before repeating the same question out loud over and over because I can't remember that I've already asked the question. Unfortunately, by the time you can't remember that you've asked a question, you're too far gone to train this habit. I'll think I'll put a note on my day timer for my eightieth birthday reminding me to get on this before it's too late.

  2. re Pay attention by jelizondo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stop using M$ crap, it has been shown to cause brain rot

    Not knowing your age, i can't say if it is the onset of advanced age. I'm 47, I find that
    and I don't pay attention, at least not as much as I used to, and therefore things are
    harder to remember.

    I get distracted because I think that I know where the conversation, lecture or whatever is
    going and then I find out it took a different turn somewhere and I lost it.

    Once I pay attention, I find that the old grey matter is still serviceable.

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    1. Re:re Pay attention by cjfs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Stop using M$ crap ... I'm 47

      :-)

  3. I feel my mind going....... by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I'll take over the spaceship and kill all the astronauts.

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  4. Newer Version Available by cob666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't there a firmware upgrade that fixes this yet?

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    1. Re:Newer Version Available by nog_lorp · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, when you get older it is called "software" instead of firmware.

    2. Re:Newer Version Available by melikamp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are of no use if your hardware is a floppy.

  5. Testosterone by Sybert42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had an elective castration, and am on testosterone replacement after I found myself not remembering as well as I did before. Really helped in that area. Check your levels to see if they warrant some replacement.

    1. Re:Testosterone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Really helped in that area.
      And still, you forgot to post anonymously.

    2. Re:Testosterone by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, he is just a Eunuchs user, like many of us.

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    3. Re:Testosterone by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ye flipping gods! I've never been so glad GNU is Not Unix.

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    4. Re:Testosterone by Yo-Yo-boy-wonder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Elective castration?!?!?!?!?! Why is this modded Informative? I really hope this is a joke.

    5. Re:Testosterone by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had an elective castration

      Congratulations on your recent marriage.

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  6. Help me out here... by ettlz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why did I click "Read More" again? Back I go, retrace the steps...

  7. Your choices are not complete by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Choose 'all of the above' and anything else that keeps your mind active. Brain health is a topic with a huge volume of data on the Internet. Recent additions to the pile of info is that cannabis (THC) may help retard onset of senility. There are many things you can do. Your wetware is chemically based, and so any particular concoction that works wonders for anyone else many not work at all for you. The goal would be to match physical traits of yourself to those that benefit most from various remedies. If you are overweight, look for brain health options that seem to work for diabetics etc.

    That's what I'm doing. Find best matches and experiment. So far so good. I think.

    1. Re:Your choices are not complete by spaceman375 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What's been proved is that people who smoke pot tend to drink alcohol too. Alcohol kills memory MUCH faster and more extensively than pot does.
      Just sayin.' Watch your sources and prejudices.

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    2. Re:Your choices are not complete by feepness · · Score: 2, Funny

      Alcohol kills memory MUCH faster and more extensively than pot does.

      I don't know about that. I often drink until I black out, and figure if I'm not using my long-term storage I must be saving it from wearing out.

      Right?

    3. Re:Your choices are not complete by WillKemp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Recent additions to the pile of info is that cannabis (THC) may help retard onset of senility.

      The only drawback (or perhaps the main advantage) of this method is that nobody will be able to tell if you're senile or just stoned.

  8. Piracetam & Other Nootropics by slifox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recommend Piracetam: the first Nootropic ("smart drug").

    It is extremely safe, and is widely used in Europe to help reverse the effects of aging and to help against the deterioration of memory, among other things (note: I am not a doctor).

    There are numerous forums and communities on nootropics, both for anti-aging and productivity-boosting needs. However, make sure you take the advice from those places with the appropriately-sized grain of salt, and always double-check everything with a proper medical resource (i.e. peer-reviewed studies).

    I won't get into the details here, because I already did that in an older post (related to stimulants, but it is nonetheless relevant here too). Yes, I guess this qualifies as karma whoring ;)

    My previous post on Piracetam: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=562684&cid=23523554

    Wikipedia on Piracetam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

    Erowid on Nootropics: http://www.erowid.org/smarts/

    1. Re:Piracetam & Other Nootropics by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure but I think Piracetam has been asociated with anxiety and irritability, although it's generally considered to have minor side effects.

      I took another one of the racetams (Levetiracetam, trade name Keppra) for epileptic seizures. Besides being an anti-epileptic drug, Levetiracetam is considered a nootropic, and I do remember feeling that it made me a little sharper. It's structurally similar to piracetam- it has an extra ethyl group. But I can't imagine anyone wanting to take this stuff to get more intelligence. The psychological side effects are just too nasty.

      Not everyone reacts to it the way I did. Some people experience no side effects at all, and really like it. But for me this was an amazing drug. I would take it, note the time, and brace for it. After 20 minutes, thoughts would start to fill my head- first reflective thoughts, then bittersweet thoughts, becoming morose ones, and an hour later it was a full blown depression. It felt like I was being crushed by a little pill, if that makes any sense.

      I actually was able to focus well on this drug, but I was really pissed the whole time. I was angry that I had to do whatever I was doing, even if I could do it well. I did more chores and resented every minute of it. At work I would snap at people and have to apologize an hour later. That got old really fast. I gave things to my wife and asked her to hide them from me, because I would get overwhelmed by sudden impulses to smash whatever I was holding against the floor. It changed the importance I attributed to things- so that I would get incredibly annoyed by the stupidest little stuff. If something was even a little annoying without Keppra, it became intolerable under its influence. This is a well-known symptom; it even has a name: "Kepp-rage". I caused a lot of trouble.

      After months of this my emotions sort of dulled out and faded away, except for occasional hostile impulses that I was able to recognize as the drug. It was a little helpful with the seizures. But then I went to my next doctor appointment and as soon as he saw me he took me off of it. "I can see you have a flattened affect." No kidding, it was flatter than Kansas.

    2. Re:Piracetam & Other Nootropics by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Suggesting that someone gets doped up and sped up with stimulants is a pretty poor idea, especially when dealing with the over 40 crowd. Has there been any studies on the safety of this stuff for older people? Does it affect the heart in any way? Or the lungs? Who knows. This stuff is sold as "nutritional supplements." Nootropics are a young man's game, if they really do anything other than a boatload of side-effects.

      Chemistry isnt the best way to attack all problems. It amazing what you can to improve yourself with nothing but your mind. Im not young either anymore, but not as old as the person asking. What I do is:

      1. Make lists. No need for a super memory when everything is written down. This also keeps you from stressing out about forgetting things.

      2. Focus my energies. Im not some time-rich undergrad or someone living in their mother's basement. I can only learn so many new things and do so much. I focus on only a couple instead of a potpourri of items. This also has the side-effect of keeping one from being a Jack of all trades, master of none."

      3. Use relaxation techniques. A little deep breathing or even a simple form of meditation works wonders. Geeks are pressured to get all hopped up on caffeine and other stimulants. Heh, you dont know smarts and insight until youve gone dry on this stuff and used your brain naturally. Trust me. Not to mention, older people should worry about their hearts first and then their brains; stimulants can cause heart disease.

      4. Eat better. You cant eat like youre 18 anymore.

      5. Get some exercise. Doesnt matter what, a little goes a long way.

      6. Embrace aging. You cant fight it, so work with it. There's nothing sadder than a 60 yo guy with a dye job and an over-priced convertible trying to win back his youth. Let it go. Find other things to do than technology. Other things become more important.

  9. First thing, Ouch... by Rachel+Lucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Secondly, I wonder if this testosterone effect is the same / similar in women. (I'm pretty sharp, but I'm also suffering from excessive testosterone... well, for a chick anyway.)

    1. Re:First thing, Ouch... by Rachel+Lucid · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... Aside from the body hair, do you really see this as a problem? ;)

    2. Re:First thing, Ouch... by Rachel+Lucid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I think it's safe to say that any girl willing to hang around on /. IS different from a normal girl, but beside the point...

  10. Supplements by Midnight+Ryder · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of my solutions to the problem is a good set of vitamins. I tend to shy away from stuff like Centrum, and use multi-vitamin packs with a little more "kick" to them (and are a heck of a lot more soluable in the digestive system), and B12 sublingual drops.

    If I have to ask myself the question "how long was it since I took my vitamins?" then the answer is probably about three days - that's how long it take for them to wear off on me.

    As with a lot of processes in our bodies, good nutritian helps the brain considerably. Eat right, exersize, and take a good multi vitamin, and you'll probably see a lot of the memory issues go away. It works for me anyway - as with any random commenter on /., YMMV :-)

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    1. Re:Supplements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh dear. You're a good little consumer, aren't you?

      Either your diet is *terrible*, or you're taking pills you DO NOT need. Don't believe me? Do some minimal research.

      You've a victim of marketing, nothing more. Sorry buddy.

      Do you drink a lot of Redbull too, thinking it really makes you more alert?

    2. Re:Supplements by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're spalling is a cleer endorshment of your opinonion.

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    3. Re:Supplements by nixman99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Either your diet is *terrible*, or you're taking pills you DO NOT need. Don't believe me? Do some minimal research.

      I suggest you do some minimal research on vitamin absorption and aging. (hint - it doesn't get better). You are correct that most under 30's don't need vitamins, but by the time you hit 40, B12, C, and D aren't absorbed as well. For mental functioning, B12 is the big one. You can Google "vitamin absorption aging" and your favorite vitamin, or read a few of these:
      B12
      B12
      C
      D

    4. Re:Supplements by Puff+of+Logic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is because if these vitamins are produced in a test tube, rather than by nature, they are NOT much good and indeed may be harmful.

      See, this is the sort of post that irritates me. It's complete pseudoscience, with a large helping of truthiness. The idea that "natural" vitamins would be superior to artificially-made vitamins *feels* right to most people, so they accept this sort of drivel. See, here's the scoop: form defines function at the molecular level. All that hand-waving about vitamins produced by nature being better is total crap, because a molecule is either vitamin C, or it isn't. Sure, you could conceivably create an analogue that mimics the form of vitamin C, but that would be a spectacularly difficult and expensive task. People, vitamin C created artificially is *precisely* the same molecule as is found in, say, an Orange. Now, if you want to argue that an orange is a superior source because there's some fibre there too, I won't argue that. But these vague assertions about "natural" vitamins smacks of an agenda that fails the critical thinking test.

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  11. I learned an amazing technique... by shellster_dude · · Score: 3, Funny

    It is guaranteed to help you gain a photographic memory. You'll never forget anything again! The secret to this amazing breakthrough is...Dammit, I can't remember.

  12. Learn new things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Learn new things. That's how you "exercise" your brain. Things that are tough and cause "brain pain" are generally best for you.

    Use it or lose it. No magic pills will help. Same for body, as for mind.

    1. Re:Learn new things by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Learn new things. That's how you "exercise" your brain. Things that are tough and cause "brain pain" are generally best for you.

      Use it or lose it. No magic pills will help. Same for body, as for mind.

      Absolutely! I'd add:

      1. Read books. Exercise for the brain, (visualization, following the plot) as opposed to passively watching TV
      2. Do crossword puzzles, sudoku, whatever else makes you "figure things out". Computer games that exercise your mind (eg: sim city) are a lot better than shot-em-ups
      3. Play board games with others - gets you to interact with others, as opposed to being a "loner" - and this exercises other parts of the brain. Trivial pursuit, cranium, pictionary, risk, monopoly, etc.
      4. Exercise your curiosity. Try to figure out "why" something is the way it is, or :how" something does what it does, without just "looking it up on the innertubss". Sharpen your powers of observation.
      5. Lead a healthy lifestyle. Walk a few klicks every day outdoors, rain or shine, sleet or hail (in other words, get a dog that has to be walked). Don't smoke, don't drink to excess but don't be a teetotaler either (moderate alcohol use does NOT kill brain cells, contrary to the old story about "every drink costs you 100,000 brain cells". NO hang-over, no damage, and the other health benefits are worth it).

      Do this for 40 years, and you'll be just as sharp at 50 as you were at 20. In other words, if you didn't get into the habit of doing this as a kid, you're probably fscked.

  13. Who needs to remember? by Mascot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I never found having nearly photographic memory to be particularly necessary. I never saw the point of memorizing a lot of junk in school; I know how to read, I own the book, nobody could ever give me a single sane reason why it was worth spending days memorizing things for an exam. We all know it's gone again a few days later, but the book is still there.

    I find the same applies to life in general. The important part is to be able to find solutions, and understand them when you do, not being able to recite every possible thing from memory.

    If you remember "everything" without any effort, great! I don't. But, luckily, there doesn't seem to be much of a need.

  14. Replace memorization with wisdom and intelligence by xzvf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can't say more than that. I've seen many young hotshots that can run rings around me as day to day sysadmins. What I've became good at, as a sysadmin, is fixing something once and then automating the fix. I forget pretty quickly how I fixed the problem before, but I can always read the comments in the script I wrote to make sure it doesn't happen again.

  15. let the computer remember stuff by Punto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The notion that memory == intelligence is just wrong. Just get over it, and let a computer do all the memory for you. Use your brain for what it's uniquely qualified to do.

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  16. Brain Workshop by De+Lemming · · Score: 5, Informative

    This recent Slashdot thread (and the accomplishing article) discussed the effectiveness of brain training games.

    In that thread, I pointed to Brain Workshop, an open source version of the game used in this study by Susanne Jaeggi, a psychologist at the University of Michigan. The study deals with improving "fluid intelligence" - the part of your mind that deals directly with the raw newness of experience or, as defined by Jaeggi, "the ability to reason and to solve new problems independently of previously acquired knowledge."

    Others pointed out there's also a Javascipt version that's much more light-weight.

  17. Re:Drink more... by pablomme · · Score: 2, Funny

    10: do
    20: Eat, Drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!
    30: Heh, an aging brain implies you are still alive.
    40: enddo

    Sheesh.. some people!

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  18. Other way around for me... by aztektum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I use to be very anal about remembering every detail. As I've gotten older I'm less concerned with this. I use technology (Outlook calendar/tasks, smartphone, Google Calendar for personal) to remember less and remind me when needed. I only concern myself with concepts and only sweat the details when it comes to actually doing the job.

    I feel far less stressed out than I did when I'd try to remember every little ol' thing simply because I thought I needed to be a pedantic nerd. As a bonus I'm realizing there is more to living contently and I feel I have more time to spend on other things.

    On top of it all I also make sure to leave the damn things at home when I'm going to do something and don't want distractions. Work can pay me 24/7 if they want me to be available 24/7. Otherwise when I'm not at the office I don't really care.

    I do still take the time to know the important things: Birthdays, anniversaries, etc..

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  19. What works for me at the ripe old age of 27 by LordRPI · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lay off the alcohol and get more exercise. You'll notice a great change in about 2-3 days (of not drinking, exercise takes a little longer to kick in)

  20. I'm 47 by acvh · · Score: 5, Funny

    and I've started making efforts to use external memory as much as possible: calendars, phonebooks, todo lists. All the things I didn't need 10 years ago.

    i've been told that a good diet and exercise can help, but it's not THAT bad yet.

    i forget people's names right after they introduce themselves. i lose my car keys every morning.

    my daughter (8) is taking advantage of this; "daddy, remember you told me you'd take me to a movie." shit, maybe I did.

  21. Crossword puzzles are the key by LaughingCoder · · Score: 2, Informative

    At least that what I read somewhere (can't remember where though ;-)

    In terms of dealing with a failing memory, my solution is to write a lot of stuff down. I carry a pocket PC with all my notes in it -- very helpful.

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  22. Re:perspective by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm 59. I can still remember things just as well as I did when I was half my age. Sometimes. Sometimes, I can't remember things I need, but I can still remember things I no longer have any use for, if I ever did. That's the way memory works. A few weeks ago, Jerry Pournelle talked about how his memory is working. (Scroll up, slightly, into the previous day.) Not as good in some ways as it had been, but still good enough for every day use.

    Don't worry, though, there's hope for us all yet. Just a few days ago, my mother (88) told me how she'd met General Patton while she was taking a walk in April '45, a story I'd never heard before.

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  23. 25 year old girlfriend by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have to remember all kinds of shit now so the wife doesn't find out. I figure my memorization capacity has quadrupled since...er....what were we talking about again?

  24. Try Memory Training by cervo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Seriously there are a ton of books out there on memory training and it works. Back in college I read quite a few of them and tried out some of the mnemonic techniques and they worked wonders, I can still recall some of the nonsense lists almost 10 years later. Ultimately to get really good requires a lot of time an effort which I was not willing to put into it.

    Some Books
    • Your Memory. How it works and how to improve it. -- Kenneth L Higbee -- One of the best books available on how the memory works as well as the mnemonic techniques
    • The Memory Book -- Harry Lorayne and Jerry Lucas -- pretty good book with a bunch of different techniques
    • Master Your Memory with Dr. Amazing: How not to Forget -- M Teitelbaum -- great book with many techniques not discussed in typical intro books on memory techniques

    But as far as forgetting stuff, I noticed that I was forgetting left and right when I turned 23. The difference is that instead of just focusing on college or something else, I had a lot of shit going on in my life and was constantly distracted and that hurt my memory. Now it is even worse. I think as you get older and you have more of a life, you just are more distracted and a lot of stuff you just won't pay as much attention to to remember as much. I'll bet if you throw in kids forget it....

  25. Maybe improve your diet and exercise? by dzelenka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bet this suggestion gets ignored completely! This IS Slashdot after all!

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    1. Re:Maybe improve your diet and exercise? by messner_007 · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:Maybe improve your diet and exercise? by yog · · Score: 5, Interesting
      There is evidence that physical exercise helps to improve memory. It's not known exactly why, but one can speculate that enhanced circulation will bring more oxygen and nutrients to the brain, keeping neurons well fed.

      Also, using the brain is strongly correlated with intellectual acuity:

      Do calculations in your head. E.g. add up grocery prices at the store.

      Use mnemonics. E.g., your friend introduces his two sons Sam and Bill. Bi l l is the o l der one.

      Read books. Unlike the single-screen attention span required for web reading, books require a longer span. Think about the book and discuss it with friends afterwards.

      Get off google. Looking things up that you "used to know" encourages mental laziness. Make yourself really think back and reconstruct (i.e., refresh old neural pathways) and you will be surprised at how much you can remember.

      Meditation, prayer, yoga, hypnosis. These are activities that turn off the mental chatter and help improve concentration.

      Challenge your mind. My mother-in-law, in her 70s, does a sudoku puzzle every day. There is evidence that such exercises contribute to improved acuity. Sudoku, crosswords, other puzzles all can be helpful.

      Review. First thing in the morning, look at your schedule, look over the specs, study the code, whatever info you might find helpful to recall later that day, instead of reading the Times or the sports news.

      Get off drugs. Reduce coffee and alcohol intake and detox your brain. Especially, alcohol and recreational drugs have a numbing effect on the mind and destroy memory capacity.

      Herbal supplements. This is controversial at this time. Some claim positive effects from gingko and other herbal extracts, and others claim no effects have been found. It may help you.

      Good luck! The brain does change over time, but it's possible to youthen your brain through conscious effort. Ultimately you can enjoy the advantages of the wisdom born of age and a strong intellect and clear memory.

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  26. I use gun. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    I keep a gun at work. My manager is aware of the weapon.

    At the last performance evaluation, he told me that the quality of my work was borderline due to the fact that I simply could not remember things. We worked out a plan that if I "qualify" for termination in the next layoff, then I will simply pull out the gun and blow my brains out.

    If I cannot survive in the competitive American market place, then I should not live. Most Americans support the concept that a nation is a free-market place. If you cannot compete, then you deserve to die. Hence, America does not have national health insurance: losers should die.

    Since I choose to live in America, I (and my manager) accept the rules of the free market.

    1. Re:I use gun. by retchdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep in mind, that psychosis tends to diminish your effective mental ability. If you actually want to keep your job and perform well, the first thing you'd do is try to drop this irrational suicide-complex. (After that, you might want to consider that you don't actually care that much about your performance, and that you are living an act of collectivist desperation.)

      Something you might want to consider is that you are engaging in the oldest and most inefficient form of collectivism: self-debasement to a figure of power, wrapped up in a mystical sheath of righteousness and "power".

      Get psychological help while you're still drawing breath and a salary.

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    2. Re:I use gun. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      I keep a gun at work. My manager is aware of the weapon.

      Not my manager. Sweetness is hiding in my desk waiting for her big day.

    3. Re:I use gun. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Keep in mind, that psychosis tends to diminish your effective mental ability. If you actually want to keep your job and perform well, the first thing you'd do is try to drop this irrational suicide-complex. (After that, you might want to consider that you don't actually care that much about your performance, and that you are living an act of collectivist desperation.)

      Something you might want to consider is that you are engaging in the oldest and most inefficient form of collectivism: self-debasement to a figure of power, wrapped up in a mystical sheath of righteousness and "power".

      Get psychological help while you're still drawing breath and a salary.

      WHO ARE YOU CALLING A PSYCHO?!

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    4. Re:I use gun. by phoenix321 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you cannot compete in job A, you surely have an ability to compete in job B, which in the current marketplace is job A's supervisor more often than not.

      If you cannot compete in jobs A-Z, all else fails and you have no idea how to reasonably work from home or self-employed, well, THEN I've bad news for you.

      But don't tell me you cannot flip burgers for minimum wage or buy-sell crap wholesale on ebay. I'd refuse to pay your health care just because you're too vain or too lazy to do that.

      But then again I live in Europe. Our dear Fatherland takes exactly ONE HALF my entire yearly salary to pay for lazy bums, old geezers and immigrants that can't speak two words of our native language after being here for three generations and who are still actively aggravating people in public transportation.

      I like working in Europe, because the public healthcare is sooooo worth half my salary, really. Worth *thousands* of Euros every year, absolutely, because I only have to wait for three months for an appointment with the dentist and any other medical specialist.

      Get a job where you can put your skills to use or build skills if you got none. But stop complaining because others are too mean to subsidize your lazy behind. Cost-for-cost, I personally subsidize two lazy bums and one retiree - because everyone with more than minimum wage income does here in Germany.

      I'm so fed up with this socialist crap. Some more years and some more increases in health care costs and I will apply for a Green Card to work in Sometown, USA, I tell you. If you or your newly-elected Messiah haven't transformed the rags-to-riches wonderland into mini-me Europe where only the stupid ones still work while the rest has steaks and beer on the dole.

    5. Re:I use gun. by turgid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That has given me an excellent idea.

      When I used to work for Sun, they brought in a new motivational and cost-reduction tool: the 10% rule. It came from GE.

      Every year at appraisal time, the staff would be ranked in order of righteousness. The bottom 10% would be fired. No ifs, not buts, just fired. Luckily I got downsized rather than 10%ed. (I was actually ranked fairly high.)

      We need something similar for society. Every year, your employer, doctor, family and friends should send an appraisal to the government. The bottom 10% of society could be put to sleep. Just watch productivity grow! Think of the savings on welfare, health costs etc. All slacking would be virtually eliminated over night! No more dead wood, just a continually improving bright, shiny nation of go-getters and successful people. Low taxes, homelessness, drug addition, alcoholism eliminated! Only the wealthy would reproduce. Everyone constantly vigilant striving to improve!

    6. Re:I use gun. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Funny

      We need something similar for society. Every year, your employer, doctor, family and friends should send an appraisal to the government. The bottom 10% of society could be put to sleep.

      Yeah, but after all the politicians have been put to sleep, who'll decide who comprises the remaining 8%?

  27. Don't sweat it by spaceman375 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A major contributer to memory loss is the stress of worrying about it. Expect it to work when needed, and it's more likely to do so.
    That being said, do a crossword puzzle every day. Take DHA (from an algal source NOT fish oil). Eat brewer's yeast; it has every B vitamin known, plus lots of DNA and RNA. Eat eggs (choline), and beets (they provide a chemical group that the rest of your body will use and leave the choline for making acetylcholine.)
    Exercise your brain - it really does respond just like muscle tissue does; it will grow and become more vigorous.
    Don't take large doses of B vitamins, just take some. Your food will provide a variable amount on top of the minimum, and that variation will enhance your brain's use of what's available.
    Most of all; if you expect some function to fail, you will stop using it so much, it will atrophy from lack of use, and you'll have a self-fulfilling prophesy. Just as you expect to get better at what you do with practice, expect your body's cells to get better at what they do with practice. They will, if you let them.

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  28. Re:Drink more... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Eat, Drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die!

    Frisco-style: "Eat, Drink, and be Mary..."
         

  29. Easy by Fantasio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get a larger Hard Drive !

  30. Learn it, then write it down by Caboosian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm fairly young, but this seems like an almost obvious answer to me (yay naivety!). For almost any situation, whether it be a conversation with a coworker, an article about the latest video card, or a night class, writing it down should help a lot. Not only do you have your notes as something to refer to should you forget, you also gain the added benefit of actually writing down what you learned.

    Remember high school? If I didn't take notes on a lesson, I was guaranteed to do worse on a test. The same applies even as you get older - writing stuff down, even if the notes are minimal, should help with your memory problem significantly.

    Obviously, YMMV, but even if it feels too nerdy for a self-described geek, I would highly recommend carrying a small notebook around just to take notes in. Give it a shot, you might be surprised at how well you begin to remember things.

  31. Written vs. Oral Societies. by retech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For what it's worth... I'm in my mid 40's and have found two things of use.

    1. When I was an undergrad I had a class on African Traditional Religions, the prof. was Kenyan. He used to actively speak out against using notebooks in class. He insisted that his education was better, it was entirely an oral based schooling as was his home life. After this had come up enough times in his class as well as my anthropology classes I thought I'd give it a go. I already had a great memory and often found notebooks and their accouterments a pain in the ass. One day I just stopped using any kind of notes; instead I paid attention to everything I felt I needed to learn. At night, I'd replay my day before I went to sleep. My GPA went up, in one semester from a 3.3 - a 3.9 and stayed there until I graduated.

    2. I find, the older I get the less I care about much of the inane crap that gets tossed at me. (apologies to /.) I do think we're inundated increasingly more each day (see goole article just a few down) and I'm tired of it. So I do, actively, ignore a lot of shit. I find that helps me stay focused on what I value and what I want from my life.

    Between work and home I have 14 unique passwords and change them every 30-60 days. I don't use a personal phone book either. I'd rather keep this stuff in my head instead of writing it down. I still believe that maintaining an active oral/mnemonic storyline of my life will keep it active instead of seeing it wane so dramatically in my later years.

    I've seen this hold true for many friends who are in the theater. I've seen many 60+ yr/olds grab a script and be off book in 24 hrs. Relying on devices, of any kind, weakens the mind.

  32. It's Google that causes it ... by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, not having to remember things while you are sitting in front of your PC because you can always google for it is very bad for your memory ...

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  33. The Racetam Nootropics by EmotionToilet · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, there is an entire class of racetams that can be used and each of them act a little different. Piracetam is considered the weakest of them all, and Pramiracetam is considered the strongest. I use Aniracetam and find that it helps quite a bit. When you stack them (Piracetam + Aniracetam) they work synergistically and you get an even stronger effect. Because they tend to use up your brains acetylcholine faster, people usually have to take a choline supplement with them a few times a week. The best form that I've found is alpha-GPC. It is the most bioavailable of choline supplements. The best part about these is that there are no side effects, even at high doses. Wiki - Racetam Class

    1. Re:The Racetam Nootropics by gardyloo · · Score: 3, Funny

      When you stack them (Piracetam + Aniracetam) they work synergistically and you get an even stronger effect.

      The use of "synergistically" in a serious manner automatically disqualifies everything else one says.

    2. Re:The Racetam Nootropics by slifox · · Score: 2, Informative

      My favorite is Oxiracetam. It behaves very much like a stimulant, but rather than increasing your heartrate, it seems like it instead increases your "mental motivation," if that makes any sense. When I take it, it almost is uncomfortable to be bored or not have anything to do.

      For instance, the first time I took it, I noticed I was able to play complex drum exercises _MUCH_ faster than I normally can. However, while I was doing this, my heartrate was almost at resting rate.

      Piracetam has a very subtle effect, but it is there if you really look. However, the effect from Oxiracetam is very noticable.

      Aniracetam (just took some a few hours ago, actually) doesn't have nearly as much of an effect on me, although some people report it works very well. It also seems much shorter-acting than Oxiracetam (somewhere in the area of 3 hours). That seems to be how it is with Racetams -- everyones' experience is slightly different, and some people get nothing out of it.

      For choline, I tried Alpha-GPC, but did not get any more after my first purchase, because it seems a bit too new and expensive. Instead, you can get a good daily dose of choline by eating 2-4 eggs, which are cheap and good for you. I've got some lecithin (extracted from egg yolks -- the part that has choline in it) on the way, and it is very inexpensive and very time-tested.

      I believe Pramiracetam has so great an effect (relative to other Racetams anyway) that it is banned from the Olympic games. The hardest part for these less-common Racetams is finding a cheap, reliable, and _safe_ source for them. Any suggestions?

    3. Re:The Racetam Nootropics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And you people that use these mind-improving drugs never stop to wonder if what you're doing has any long-term bad effects? Also, to me this brings up the image of a world seperated between the ability-improving drug using people and the others... Did Mozart or Einstein use Aniracetam? Would their work have been better if they did? I doubt it.

  34. Re:perspective by luder · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's the solution! Turn whatever you want to remember into a really lame song et voila.

  35. Technology replacement by pwizard2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In my case, I simply use technology.

    I'm 25, and I have a neurological condition called Dyspraxia which causes short-term memory problems, among other things. (My long term memory works fine, and you wouldn't notice anything unusual just by looking at me) On any given day, I can usually remember only one or two pieces of information at a time in my short term memory, and I used to constantly forget about assignments, appointments, things I was told to do five minutes ago, etc. Over the years, I've had to adapt to this problem by devising workarounds.

    I used to write things down in a planner book and keep it with me, but I kept losing it or forgetting to bring it with me. To solve this problem once and for all, I began using a tool called Taskfreak after a former co-worker told me about it. I have Taskfreak running on my server, and since it's a web app, I can check it from pretty much any location and at any time, unlike other software planners I tried in the past. Plus, its impossible to "lose" Taskfreak since it's never really in my possession to begin with. This tool has practically replaced my short-term memory, since the only thing I have to remember is to check it often. (The browser start pages on all my computers point to my taskfreak installation, so I see it every time I start Firefox or any other browser)

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  36. Why did this not happen until I'm old? by rasper99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I started on a very, very cool tech R&D project in April at the age of 50. It's one of those things that is so involved that when anyone starts working there their brain swells up for the first month as it is filled up.

    I have said many times why couldn't I be like 30 or 40 when my brain worked better and come across something like this?

    I make up for the slowly decreasing short term storage by making a lot of notes. Make short term notes for what you are doing now. Then after the rush is over take a few minutes to flesh them out a little in case you have to do it again in a month and have forgotten what you did. It's not unmanly to make notes if it helps you kick the young whippersnapper's butts.

    Don't multi-task as many things at once. This helps even the young. I used to work on six systems at a time. Now I do like two and get them right. If you're going to do things over and over take the time to script and automate if there is a ROI. Share the scripts, etc. with others to help save everyone time.

    I draw on my 29 years of professional technical experience. I use the professional maturity gained over the years to spend an appropriate amount of time carefully crafting an important email or document. It ends up saving time in the long run.

    Over the years you learn what works in business and what doesn't. Tech knowledge is important but learning how people and business works is important too.

    I use my 29 years of IT experience in so many different things to my advantage. Last week I reduced a problem down to system tuning. I used those old skills and made a lot of people happy. In the old days system tuning was a way of life. Younger people who haven't dealt with low horsepower and don't do know things like that.

    Use your experience with people and maturity gained over the years. I've got a deck of punch cards of assembly code on my desk to remind me how good I've been over the years. Today people can hardly imagine using assembly much less reading a dump. Might just have to do some of assembly in the future to get stuff to run faster.

  37. Wrong problem by mike_sucks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remembering stuff isn't what makes you a geek - remembering stuff is what your hard drive and the Internet is for. Being a geek is all about applying your one-eyed devotion to [hardware|software|cameras|games|knitting|etc] to the fullest extent and doing nifty things with it.

    It's pretty well known that young people are better at raw ability where older people are better at anything that requires experience. So don't worry about forgetting stuff too much, concentrate on kicking arse with your experience.

    If you are forgetting stuff, write it down. But keep on being a geek and stay fit, because mental and physical activity are two primary factors in retaining cognitive ability in old age.

    /Mike

    PS: wear sunscreen

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  38. Re:Growing up, not older. by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that why you're always misplacing your keys and finding the phone in the fridge?

    people become senile as they get older because the brain, like the rest of your body, deteriorates with age. how much it deteriorates depends on how you live. unfortunately, as many people get older they become less and less active, and it becomes a vicious cycle.

    if you learn to place chess when you're young, and you never stop playing chess, you'll still be able to play quite well even in your old age. you won't be as fast as you were in your mid-20's, but you'll probably still be fast in your mid 80's as you were in your mid-to-late-30's. as long as you keep your brain active, the areas that you use regularly will not degrade very much. so yes, in theory if everyone remained active in their golden years, their brain will still function quite well in all the ways "that matter." but that's not how things are in reality.

    in reality people become less active, both physically and mentally, as they age. they don't push themselves as hard mentally, and they also stop stretching their mind/creativity. senior citizens also tend to be less socially active, and a lack of regular social interaction/stimulation can also lead to mental decline.

    it's got nothing to do with performing menial work for others. neurological degradation is not the same as becoming wiser. nor is becoming more and more useless the same as becoming sager.

  39. Re:By working it by Joebert · · Score: 3, Funny

    Something about using memory training software that the author forgot to update doesn't sit right with me.

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  40. Why Bother? by Plekto · · Score: 2, Funny

    I personally can't wait for Alzheimer's given all of the stuff (plus an ex) that I'd love to forget about.

  41. Just getting comfortable by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Richard Feynman had a good story about this. Someone once published a paper that was supposed to have serious impact on his theory. The problem was, that when Feynman read through it he didn't understand it at all. He was all out of himself thinking his years as a researcher are over and he's just too old to understand the new stuff. Finally his wife talked him down and told him to try and go through the paper the old fashioned way - step by step, taking notes, just like when he was a student. And sure enough when he chewed through all the formulas slowly he understood it all.

    The moral of the story is that we get too comfortable as we get older. We have more experience and our brains are trained cracking the hard stuff. You are used to understand complex things easily and you forget just how much energy it used to take when you were learning some fundamental ideas the first time. Just remember how much time you had to devote to understand calculus even though it's ideas may seem self-evidend now to you.

    Now from time to time you encounter a problem that your brain will not crack right-away. You think you are too old for it but it is much more possible that you just don't have the patience to put as much effort into understanding it as you did when you were a student. And that is not a physical brain condition - it's just good old 'getting too comfortable'.

  42. Re:Why Was This Modded Down as a Troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    A lot of inappropriate moderation is the result of Slashdot's use of pulldown lists. People select the moderation, then use the mouse wheel to scroll further down the page to the 'Moderate' button without realizing that the pulldown list still has the focus. They then click on the page to set the focus properly, without noticing that 'Insightful' got turned into 'Troll.'

    Never ascribe to stupidity that which can be blamed on bad UI design.

  43. Depends on how much money you want to put into it by Hojima · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can try neurofeedback which is a direct way to train the brain. Research this since there is a lot information out there, both for the expert and layman.

  44. read like a fiend by Eil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Normally I stay out of threads like this, but I take exception to the high number of responses so far that have advocated taking supplements and vitamins. But that's what our society has come to these days, I guess. Got a problem? Take a pill!

    I'm not that old but like most of us, I'm aging nonetheless. Here is what I'm doing to try to keep my brain in decent shape.

    First, keep your body in shape. Recognize that the brain depends on the body. If you aren't eating right and aren't exercising, then your metal facilities are lower than they should be. Every single study that has been evaluated the link between exercise and brain function has found that there is a direct causal relationship. People who exercise regularly are smarter than those that don't, when all other factors are equal.

    Second, keep the mind in shape. It needs exercise too. I usually get plenty of intellectual stimulation from daily geeky activities but when I don't, I read like a fiend. Read fiction, read non-fiction, read technical books (even ones you've already read). Keep learning. You'll never learn everything there is to know, but it's incredibly rewarding to learn as much as you can. In the past few years, I've taken interest in music, electronics, and a foreign language (German). All things that I wouldn't have dreamed I'd dabble in 10 years ago.

    If it's memory in particular that you're having a problem with, see about getting more sleep. One popular theory for the necessity of sleep is that it gives the brain a chance to shut down the I/O bus while it evaluates, organizes, and stores information received during the day. Sounds plausible to me because I know I don't retain much when operating on minimal sleep.

  45. Re:Growing up, not older. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I could not imagine not pushing myself mentally, regardless of how old I get.
    Sitting around doing nothing would bore the crap out of me after a few days, and I'd have to go fix something.

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  46. Re:perspective by zrq · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just a few days ago, my mother (88) told me how she'd met General Patton while she was taking a walk in April '45, a story I'd never heard before.

    Or ... has she told you the same story before, but you had forgotten about it.

  47. The Internet! by Cytlid · · Score: 2, Funny

    The internet helps you remember things. I call it a pornographic memory.

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    FLR
  48. bring up the intensity level of your work by k1.seb31 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting question. I hate to admit it but I'm getting up there too, and in the industry I'm surrounded by people younger than me. Think positive though, that is the key. Experience brings a strong work ethic, keeping this up exposes you to different program and design environments etc and you learn how to accomplish jobs better. I'd say just take care of your health and think positive; keep taking vitamins and drinking tea and keep working your brain the same way you did when you were younger.

  49. Re:Growing up, not older. by puto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really most studies show that mans brain power peaks at age 39, and I can say as someone approaching that age, I have never been more mentally capable as I was in my mid to late 30s. And I am 39 next month. Mylein peaks and then degenerates after 39, in recent studies, so mid 20s is out the window. I learned spanish fluently at age 31. Granted I was in Colombia and that was all I could speak. My father went to lawchool at 46, graduated at 52, top of his class, and, three years later had a phd in philosophy, again top of his class. Your mid 20's is nothing but hormonal and easy to get over hangover age. I did not come into my own physically and mentally until I passed 30.

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  50. I sympathize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had an elective castration....

    I voted Republican; I feel pretty emasculated as well.

  51. Re:perspective by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Funny
    I chalk it up to either my brain has too much crap in it taking up space, or my hard drive has a high seek time and it takes longer for me to load what is needed to function.

    Quite frankly, it sounds more as though you've archived it to secondary storage and have to read the tape back in.

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  52. Re:Piracetam & Other Nootropics - use caffeine by Steve1952 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do what I do. Up your caffeine dose eeeevvverry yyyeeaaarrr...........

  53. proper diet and challenge by drpt · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since I crossed the GEEZER boundry a few years ago (or so), I found that a proper diet is not to fry or nuke your brain to often ( 2 beers not 37, a couple tokes not 14 bowls) works well for keeping an edge. Exercise consists of occasional arguments with my x-wifes and moving to a strange place every 4-5 years. the best move is to a place where you dont know anyone or the language.

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    Proudly Butchering code for 20 years
  54. Neural Implant. . . . by bogidu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunately since we're not to that point yet, I've started using Notefrog on a flashdrive.

  55. What I do by fuego451 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I exercise daily, teach myself new things that I've always wanted to learn, do a lot of reading and challenge my mind in many other ways. I enjoy a few beers or glasses of wine often and do a little weed now and then. I don't take any vitamins and I don't do diets. I'm 63.

    I realize that I have forgotten a lot of information I needed to know for school, work etc., but I recognize that I have forgotten that information because I no longer need it and I replaced it with new stuff I like.

    There is a history of Alzheimer's in my family so I also keep myself informed on the latest research regarding prevention.

  56. Not a problem by bgspence · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't remember the last time I forgot something.

  57. Me Too by CharlieG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    About 3-4 years ago, I found that lots of "trival" details about certain things started leaking. Here is what I've found works

    1) Remember the old hints about "a quiet spot to study" - yes it makes a difference. I find with my 2 kids running around, the TV blareing, the radio on, etc, I can't remember, my brain goes elsewhere (and it doesn't help that I have a chronic wound, and I'm on pain killers almost 24x7). Find a quiet place/time for the deep things

    2)Personally, the thing _I_ tend to forget are appointments, and in particular, the details. "OK, I know my wife has an MD appointment one day this week, which day is it, and where and what time should I be picking up the kids that day?" A calendar - be it electronic, or written - the way my WIFE likes it (conflict here - causes extra work) is a lifesaver - write it down (and if you have an SO, have them write their stuff down). You can then "page out" that information till you need it

    3)A Journal - Many years ago, a co-worker (Thanks Harry) taught me something important - keep a journal (I don't do as well as I should) - a bound numbered book you keep on your desk. Write EVERYTHING down, every day. Go to a meeting, write it in the book, get a phone call - it goes in the book. Have lunch with someone, in the book. Make an apointment to have lunch with someone? In the book.

    This isn't only for memory, but if you faithfully keep the book, leave no blank pages etc, what you end up with a document that is legally acceptable as evidence. Just in case. It's like the scientists bound lab notebook. You'll find that EEs use them, etc -

    4)Take a little time each day to have as "quiet" time. For me at least, the ability to sit down with a cup of coffee/tea/glass of water (or whatever) and just "clear my mind" makes a big difference - watch the birds, the clouds, or even (if you can get outdoors) look at a picture, gets my mind into a state where the rest of the day is a lot better memory and stress wise

    5)A consistant routine. Remember I said about "offloading details" - I try and do as many things as I can on "autopilot", so I don't get overwhelmed in details - sort of like programming, a lot of the techniques in programming are all about "information hiding" - you can really do a lot of this in your life.

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    -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
  58. Re:Growing up, not older. by jacerie · · Score: 3, Funny

    My father went to lawchool at 46...

    Please note, spelling proficiency appears to decrease prior to age 39.

  59. Another way. by MustBeOriginal · · Score: 5, Funny

    One trick is to tell them stories that don't go anywhere.

    Like that time I took the ferry over to Shelbyville; I needed a new heel for my shoe. So, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. 'Give me five bees for a quarter,' you'd say.

    Now where were we?

    Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

    1. Re:Another way. by stuntpope · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, the ironing is delicious! 'MustBeOriginal' quoting verbatim from Grandpa Simpson! ;)

  60. Re:Growing up, not older. by CptNerd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree wholeheartedly. My brother went back to school and became an RN at age 50 (he was a medic in the Air Force in the 1950's), and I started learning Japanese when I was 47. I'm having to come up to speed on Java, Hibernate, AndroMDA, Maven, Oracle, and Spring for the project I'm on (I had no experience with any of them except Java 1.0) and even though it's hard to get all of them at once, I've made enough progress in 2 months to start fixing simple bugs. I've programmed in about a half-dozen other languages, and wrote code for everything from microprocessors to mainframes for the past 30 years, so that helped. I use my iPod to help me study Japanese vocabulary whenever I have a few minutes (like a 20 minute compile), and I occasionally read and post stuff on the Internet.
    If I wasn't working I wouldn't be bored, because there are a lot of projects I've put on hold that I could be doing if I had the money and time for them.

    Hopefully my brother and I can stave off the possibility of Alzheimer's that we may have inherited from our father and grandfather...

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    By the taping of my glasses, something geeky this way passes
  61. Re:By working it by Skidge · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm using a similar piece of software to learn German. Anki is actively worked on and regularly updated by the author. You can even write your own plug-ins for it in Python, I believe.

  62. It could be stress by mok000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is a tell-tale sign of stress when people suddenly start becoming forgetful.

    So I would advise you to deal with your stress, and your former good memory will come back. You know: exercise, sleep, lots of fresh air, proper, healthy nutrition, and yes that includes lost of fish. Decide for yourself that life is short and living is now.

  63. Notetaking by grikdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's amazing how many authors/writers/novelists/biographers about Chaucer's age take notes and squirrel them away. Dunno if there's any sort of indexing system for handwritten stuff, though - does anyone have time to index their own notes, except of course in Barry Hughart's Bridge of Birds?

    Unfortunately, my experience mirrors yours. I did a couple of years of near-genius work when I was younger. Some of my own code reads like the Book of Revelations to me now. I can barely understand it, and I was never a slacker about inline comments. Apparently, I never knew what a good comment was, or what I'd done that was so noteworthy, because some of those remarks seem downright cryptic to me. I was no Steve Wozniak, ever, but I could write beautiful code once. That mind is a complete stranger to me now, at age 64.

    I use FireFox and SQLite Manager to keep a searchable list of memoranda to myself, these days. It helps, it really does. I keep telling myself that.

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    ``Tension, apprehension & dissension have begun!'' - Duffy Wyg&, in Alfred Bester's _The Demolished Man_
  64. Who should manage then? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Something younger technical people forget is that managing a group of people requires more skills than knowing how to obfuscate a perl script.

    If technical people are great problem solvers they could apply the skills, allegedly learned doing "fun" stuff, to the problem of implementing productive teams of techies.

    This nonsense about management being a dead end for techies needs to be put to rest frankly, a good manager will enable technical people to do their job by isolating them from all the bullshit that comes from higher hierarchical levels while at the same time setting realistic objectives for all the parties involved. Having being a techie should be a great plus for somebody managing other techies, not an artificial hindrance.

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  65. synergy is cromulent. by mysticgoat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the original post, the use of "synergistically" is perfectly cromulent. The word has been a part of the pharmaceutical jargon for more than 50 years and is being used correctly in context.

    Two drugs exhibit synergism when the effects of giving them together are greater than one would expect from the effects of giving each one separately. Aspirin and codeine are synergistic: when given together in moderate doses, the combined analgesic effect is greater than either given alone. This combination is often used in the early phase of mending a broken bone.

    Contrast "synergism" with "potentiation": aspirin and caffeine are not considered synergistic since caffeine has no analgesic qualities by itself. However caffeine does potentiate the analgesia provided by aspirin. Two aspirin taken with a cup of coffee are more effective against headaches or sore muscles than just the aspirin alone. And cheaper than the many OTC pain relievers that are basically just aspirin and caffeine.

  66. Danger! by Nick+Ives · · Score: 2, Informative

    I only bothered to read the link for D, but that page clearly states that you have to be over 50 for D absorption to be impaired. It also lists side effects for taking too much vitamin D.

    I think the message here should be go see your doctor. Don't go taking nutritional supplements based off what you read on teh intarwebs, otherwise you could end up increasing your risk of disease. I know there are lots of other supplements that are actually quite poisonous taken in the doses available in some supplements if you're not suffering from a nutrition disorder.

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  67. Because you HAVE to. by jonskerr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Einstein was wise, but many in the world are not. And a problem for many of the people this thread is about is that they are leaving unsatisfactory careers and trying something radically new. I quit a cubicle job at the phone company and next month will graduate from watchmaking school (thanks to a Slashdot posting from two years ago).
    The problem is, it's REALLY HARD to try to learn a whole new set of skills in a new career at 45. (The flip Simpsons comments on this thread are just showing how slashdot has become polluted with idiocy when serious subjects need discussing.)
    The final exam has a bunch of math, and the Swiss group that administers the test requires students to memorize the formulae. Fortunately it's only a few questions out of twenty or so on the test.

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  68. Re:Maybe sleep? by RJFerret · · Score: 2, Informative

    I haven't seen anyone mention sleep.

    That's when your synaptic pathways are reinforced and new ideas are integrated into memory.

    Our brains are as active when we are asleep as awake, just accomplishing a different process.

    If you want to know something for a test, don't cram all night before, simply sleep on it.

    If you can't figure out the solution to a dilemma, you might after a good night's sleep.

    Finally, if you are well rested, you will be content enough to not mind that you can't remember what you did at work yesterday... ...what? Yesterday was Saturday? Did I sleep through it again?

  69. false dichotomy by globaljustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The constant struggle between the new guys to get some of the neat stuff they saw in uni into the mix and the old guys who think it's all a bunch of nonsense will in the right balance lead to a happy medium.

    false dichotomy...older people do not have to be 'set in their ways' and young people do not have to be full of nonsense ideas...it's fallacy to think so.

    the best team is one with a range of experience and abilities all devoted to accomplishing a task or goal. people who are 'stuck in their ways' no matter what age are a drag on a work group or creative team. what's most important is that ego and self promotion are set aside by all

    now, if you argue that the 'old and stubborn vs. young and nonsense' is the status quo, I agree. my point is, we should strive to move beyond those limitations.

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