Google Map To Real Piracy

An anonymous reader noted that you can now see a Google Map of piracy. Not the pretend kind, the real kind with boats and stuff. Considering how much time we spend talking about the other kind, I think it's worth paying attention to the real problems out there.

Comments

Time for Qs to come back

[AKAImBatman]

From what I've been hearing, it sounds like the biggest problem in defending against the Solmalian surge in piracy is that the pirates know where the US ships are and avoid them. They've taken to attacking farther and farther out from the coast, often impacting new shipping lanes when displaced by US warships.

Maybe I've been reading too much fiction, but am I the only one thinking: Q Ship?

1. Lure pirate in with tasty looking merchie.

2. Wait until pirate is within range and intentions are clear.

3. Throw the covers off the guns and blast them into next year.

4. ???

5. Profit!!!

(Well, the merchies do anyway.)

Re:Time for Qs to come back

[nbert]

One thing I'd like to add: There are not enough military ships in the world to really control the affected area. More ships result in higher safety, but as long as cargo and tourist ships pass the area unguarded the pirates still have a chance.

In my opinion any real solution has to change something within Somali territory. It's not like the pirates can switch to safer jobs on land when the international efforts become unpleasant.

Re:Time for Qs to come back

[AKAImBatman]

I seriously doubt that a Q-Ship armed to the hilt and crewed by experienced naval personnel would fall into pirate hands. These guys are attacking with fishing boats for crying out loud! The problem isn't that our ships can't hold their own against the pirates. That much is stupidly simple. It's finding the pirates that's the problem. And these guys are even less sophisticated than other piracy organizations equipped with speedboats and cutters.

I mean, take a look at these guys. If someone would arm our merchies with a few mortars and sniper rifles, these pirates wouldn't be able to get their assault rifles within weapons range. But for some reason, today's governments think that armed merchies are a bad idea. So... Q-Ships. They'd kick ass. :-)

Re:Time for Qs to come back

[AKAImBatman]

"Launch Marine Assault to capture positively identified pirates" works just as well. It merely lacks that nice ring "blast them into next year" has. :-)

Your point is well taken. However, I still think Q-Ships are an answer. Q-Ships are the kind of bait that would cause pirates to identify themselves so that you can take action. Whether that be a matter of sinking them or capturing them, there's a good chance of it working. As a bonus, you'll start to give the pirates pause as they attempt to ascertain whether the ship they're about to attack is a real merchie or a Q-Ship.

For bonus points, borrow real merchant ships but crew them with naval officers and marines. That way NATO forces can move from ship to ship, leaving the pirates to further second-guess themselves. Is this merchie a trap? No way to know short of attempting attack.

Re:Time for Qs to come back

[0100010001010011]

Why not just allow ships to arm themselves? Q-ships will just lead to "scout" pirate ships that test the waters to see if the ship is armed then still go after the regular ships.

If that oil tanker had a few RPGs and people that knew how to use them, there wouldn't be a problem. As other people have said these are fishing boats.

Re:Time for Qs to come back

[IronChef]

I can't find the reference right now, but when I was reading about piracy last week arming the merchant ships was said to be difficult politically.

I think it was something like this: the merchant ships have to pass through many nations' waters, and in some of those nations the arms needed to fight off pirates are illegal. So... if you have private armed guards on board, you're breaking the law at some of your ports. Therefore, being a well behaved company, you don't have guards at all.

This is lame, even as it makes sense. How would a US port feel about a foreign ship pulling in when a dozen civilians with grenade launchers are strolling around on deck? The Coast Guard would go ape.

Anyway, I would like to find a proper explanation for the current state of affairs.

Re:Time for Qs to come back

[Snocone]

If that oil tanker had a few RPGs and people that knew how to use them, there wouldn't be a problem.

No, RPGs aren't an appropriate defense weapon. 500m is the propulsion limit and the limit of hand held accuracy is more like 50m.

All you need is a handful of hunting rifles of polar bear hunting capability, I suggest my preferred caliber the .300 Win Mag aka 7.62 × 67 mm. Half a dozen of those on deck and you are effectively safe from anything short of an actual warship.
 

Re:Time for Qs to come back

[CmdrGravy]

Why should NATO act ? How many of those hijacked vessels are registered in NATO countries ? I'm betting it's not many so why would we care if they're hijacked or not.

It's down to countries like Saudia Arabia who are making vast sums of money transporting oil through that area to spend some of that money on their own protection, if they want to protect their ships. At the moment it looks like they prefer to pay out ransoms ( which seems to me to be a highly stupid strategy and is simply providing the pirates with better weapons to capture bigger ships ) but if that's what they want to do it's up to them.

If our own ships are affected we should take a leaf out the Frenchies book and send in aquatic special forces to eliminate the pirates but whilst it's not our ships we don't have to do anything.

Convoys

[zentinal]

Does anyone know why, given the huge area and the number of ships to protect, merchant ships in the area aren't being organized into convoys with military escort through those waters?

Wouldn't that strategy work at least as well as it did in WWII?

I don't think the pirates have submarines or aircraft... yet.

Re:Convoys

[kwiqsilver]

Because that would be expensive. There are too many ships going through the Red Sea or other hot spots to organize small enough convoys that don't end up leaving ships waiting for days for an escort. And imagine the traffic jams you'd see at the Suez and Panama Canals when that convoy showed up.

If you want a military solution, a better option would be to park a carrier or two in each hot spot, and give each merchant ship contact information for the carrier(s) in an area, so they can call in a strafing run on any small, well armed boats that get too close (like pirate 911).

A better solution still would be to remove the international legal restrictions against carrying small arms (e.g. battle rifles) and fixed armaments (e.g. fixed machine guns and light artillery) on a merchant ship. A few years ago, a Cruise Ship used a sonic weapon to fend off a pirate attack off Somalia. Imagine if instead of a non-lethal sonic cannon, they had unleashed a few rounds from a 30mm Cannon modified to fire at sea-based attackers. It would have stopped that attack and prevented those pirates (and that boat) from mounting any future attacks.

speaking of piracy

[jollyreaper]

It looks like the jacked up idle template pirated my user page. What do we have to do to get rid of it?

Re:speaking of piracy

[argent]

Yes, I was wondering about that. I go to my user page now and I've got a bunch of spam about features of slashdot I don't care a damn about instead of the list of my recent comments I was looking for.

Piet Hein

[tsa]

Here in NL we have a song about Piet Hein. He brought us the Spanish silver fleet when Holland ruled the waves and was at war with the Spaniards in the 17th century. He was a national hero back then, but in fact he was just a pirate. He stole all the silver the Spaniards had stolen from the natives in South America.

Historical Precident

[sp3d2orbit]

I'm normally pro-US hegemony and quick to defend our actions. But, I'm about to give a silver bullet to my opposition.

I can't help but notice the parallels between America's situation and Rome during its final centuries. Rome eventually degraded as barbaric pressures from the outside world overwhelmed their ability to control them.

Modern America seems to be collapsing under a similar weight. Terrorism and piracy are equivalent modern forms of barbarism. The fact that the US cannot control it anymore validates the position that the US military is way overstretched and that our empire is on the decline.

Ug.

Citizen of the Galaxy as applied to this problem:

[Ortega-Starfire]

Robert Heinlein wrote a book where merchant ships scooting through space were armed with nuclear rockets to blow the pirates straight to hell because the government cruisers, while effective, were few and far between.

Obviously, we don't need to go nuclear on the pirates, but some small arms would go a long way to curbing the problem. Bigger ships can get bigger guns.

Arm each ship with some guns and grenade launchers. Scale up as appropriate for larger ships. Problem solved.

A little background

[kaynaan]

This Issue is not black and white as most people think. This piracy has been going on for more than a 15 years off the coast of Somalia. In the past the targets were usually Japanese boats illegally tuna fishing a few miles off the north-eastern coast. back home these men are not looked upon as pirates they were a de facto navy for so long. believe it or not they have certain code they follow which is largely based on our nomadic culture .. they have not hurt a single hostage nor are they interested in doing so ... their hostages are treated with respect and food and water are shared equally among capture and captured... they are not locked up or anything like that. I admit the last few months what they are doing is beyond the pale .. but I cannot help admiring the the courage to take on a vessels of that size with dingy motor boats. contrary to what many articles report they are nowhere near as organized as they would have you believe .. the whole hi-tech thieves things is BS ... granted the last 'pirate' boat i've seen was about 13 years ago .. but the only thing these guys have got going for them is the 2 steel spheres in their shorts