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Age of Conan Servers To Merge, Funcom Sees Layoffs
Two ominous signs have come recently for Age of Conan fans; developer Funcom went through a round of layoffs, and they announced plans to merge some of the game's servers in order to maintain a "healthy" population. Despite this, Funcom has maintained that development will continue for both the PC version and the upcoming Xbox 360 version of the game, confident that Age of Conan won't follow Tabula Rasa into oblivion. A writer at Vox ex Machina doesn't share that view, pointing to several of the game's flaws as reasons why it didn't maintain the popularity it enjoyed at launch.
Honestly? I mean, did they ever finally get the DX10 working?
The game was great on the island, after that it was a waste of time and money. Wish I could get my $60 back...
If sharing a song makes you a pirate, what do I have to share to be a ninja?
I wish he had mentioned this at the beginning of his article so I wouldn't have wasted my time reading it.
Honestly, I'm far more concerned with the fate of The Longest Journey, one of their other franchises.
The original was one of the greatest point-and-click adventure games of all time. The sequel was okay, but left too many unanswered questions. The original left the door open, of course, but it also told a complete story with a real ending.
I generally don't track most gaming news like a hawk, but I do recall reading at one point that the plan was to continue the series with something like Dreamfall: Chapters, or some such. A sort of episodic continuation. I hope these layoffs don't affect other projects at Funcom.
Still, given the time between when I first heard that bit of news and now, Funcom seems to be following the Valve method of episodic delivery rather than the much better Telltale method. Valve has been able to get away with it because they have a long and successful track record and a huge player base. The Longest Journey, as great as it was, does not have quite as big a following...
Don't blow it, Funcom!
Elrond, Duke of URL
"This is the most fun I've had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!"-Sam&Max
Age of Conan got as big an initial boost as it did because of it's timing and hype mostly. WoW had entered a period of nothing new for quite some time. Blizzard was busy working on The Wrath of the Lich King so little was happening in the game. Their previous expansion had been out for quite a while and some people were getting bored. So the WoW players that were looking for The Next Big Thing(tm) hopped on board with AoC.
Well, what they quickly found out was that AoC isn't a very well done game. WoW really is a slick game. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but polished and quite a bit of fun. This is why they have so many players.
So these WoW players who were used to such a good experience found that AoC lacked that. Once the newness wore off they got quickly fed up and migrated back to WoW. This has only been increased by the release of the Wrath of the Lich King which brings a ton of new content in to the game.
What many MMO companies don't seem to understand is that WoW has really raised the bar. Used to be that MMOs pretty much sucked in many ways. Thus when you released a new one, it could have a lot of problems and people would still be interested. Not anymore. WoW is solid and brings a lot to the table, and has a ton of subscribers because of it. If you are going to take WoW on, you need to be strong out of the gate. They days of Everquest are gone, where basically you could just release a game that didn't punish players and people would play it (EQ was notoriously hard on it's players). Now you have to compete with a game that is polished, customizable (via LUA scripts), easy to get started in and quite a bit of fun to many people.
To the extent lesser quality games can compete, it'll be in areas that WoW doesn't do. For example Warhammer Online may have a good chance since it focuses on PvP in a way and on a scale that WoW doesn't. However if you game is basically meant to be a direct target at WoW's market, as AoC seemed to be, well then you'd better be damn good, or you are likely to get swept aside.
I know a number of people who play WoW and try AoC. As of now over 90% of them have canceled their AoC accounts and the couple who haven't don't play it much, they just haven't decided to quit yet. None of them left WoW for AoC for good, or have even made AoC their primary game.
Tortage is what the game should have been like for the whole 80 levels.
Sadly, it wasn't.
I endured it for another 40 levels only to realize that the quests doable by one or two people were drying out much too fast, leaving only the boring group grind & bossmob quests.
I dislike WoW for its mistakes as much as anybody, but again I have to say that there has yet to be another game that tops WoW in regards to world design, motivation (to do anything) and rewards.
NCSoft was publically adamant that Tabula Rasa development would continue too, right up until they weren't. MMO companies are always like that, they need to maintain the illusion that everything is fine even while the ship sinks.
Funcom botched this in spectacular fashion. I can't wait for the day when they get DX10 in and can finally say "Age of Conan: now all the features listed on the box actually exist!" Only seven months later too!
Bottom line is that games that release in this poor a state deserve to fail. It's a good lesson for other game companies. Release crap every beta tester tells you isn't ready, and pay for it.
-- "So they told me that using the download page to download something was not something they anticipated." - Bill Gates
I played the game for less than a month at launch before quitting, but came back with my wife for a couple of months recently before cancelling once again. My wife and I had a really great time playing together, actually.
A huge part of our enjoyment was thanks to our awesome guild. The 18+ subscribership (due to the game being rated M) is a real boon. At 30 and 25 my wife and I were the youngest in our guild and were made very welcome as we participated in conversations about our guildies' jobs, children, and even grandchildren.
If you've got someone to play with I highly recommend checking this game out for at least a couple of months. The game is pretty stable (but not entirely) and is undoubtedly the most attractive MMO there's ever been. The scenery alone makes the world a true pleasure to inhabit; as a Canadian I felt especially at home in the tundra.
I forgot to mention why I quit again after 2 months. I got my new main up to lvl 72 and felt like I'd pretty much seen the whole game. There are two areas for lvls 70-80 and I'd scoured them pretty thoroughly. I didn't feel motivated to replay any of the areas I'd already mastered with this one character which left pretty much nothing in the entire world for me to discover anew.
I'll definitely check out an expansion pack but until then I'm done.
it's just half the story now isn't it?
funcom layoffs was only in the US and the US part of funcom is pretty much only customer service as far as i know and they are still hiring more devs at their office in norway.. mainly for upcoming games but also some conan positions
AND the writer at Vox ex Machina even states in one of his comments that he hasn't even played the game.. great article
I was an anarchy online player. I've seen how those dumbasses at funcom operate. LEt's not be coy here : AO was broken for a YEAR post release until they finally found most of the memory leaks. and i've seen the way they treated their customer base, how they fixed balance issues, and actually couldn't even be bothered to have a paid staff to do events in a MMORPG world, instead relying on free slave wage from incredible players who would become ARKS ( Player helpers ) and still had to fill petitions between trying to roleplay some kind of plot.
They are cheap bastards, used to shipping unfinished items to the market, and i really didn't think they would stop on this bullshit behavior for a new game. And while everyone was laughing at me then, look at them now. " Oh, wow just came out with an expansion, I'm going back". Yeah yeah, go kill six snow mooses now, go.
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Even with 400k left, that's still $72mil plus the $7mil buy in.
Back when it first launched, like so many others, my wife and I gave AoC a try. When we canceled our accounts about a week later we gave them a whole list of very simple technical issues that the game had that made it basically impossible to play. Things like, getting to close to a wall and your character would "hook" on the wall and get stuck. Or the complete inability to switch characters without logging all the way out.
All these companies trying to compete with Blizzard are missing the one thing Blizzard has done well. Refinements. Oh WoW as a game isn't perfect, but what it is, is imminently playable (in a UI perspective) from the moment you open it up.
Did you actually go to the ruins? Where enemies kept get stuck in their fall animation, unattackable leaving no mobs for your quest? How about the insane bats whose AI and animation was so buggered you wondered how it often got out of alpha?
What about the invisible bits of landscaping you could get stuck on. The slow loading. The missing bank and auction house.
The game was a disaster. Really, some classes you started right from lvl 1 one shotting every enemy, others struggeled with enemies below their level. Nerfs happened all over changing entire classes. Balance must be done BEFORE release because if a class plays in a certain way you are just going to upset those who choose that class to play in a certain way.
Frankly, AoC was to old. It started development before WoW came out and to Goat seems to have been living in a cave ever since. The UI was a total disaster. Lotro is already bad with its non-customziable UI in this Post-WoW world but AoC set a new low. Not only was it ugly, it didn't even give players basic tools. Did you ever figure out what the equivelant of /inspect was in AoC? To lazy to look it up but even as a linux user a I balked at that commandline. That it has to be done from the commandline at all showed just how out of touch the developers were.
No, AoC is better left forgotten a bigger pile of shit then Anarchy Online or indeed Vanguard. Vanguard at least tried. AoC dev's just couldn't be bothered to make the game fun. The fast travel options were insane! Walk EVERYWHERE, one corner of the world to the other OR die and choose your own respawn point.
The only thing I worry that with Funcom in the situation it is in, The Secret World, the MMORPG by the team that made The Longest Journey might be axed as well. Lets not forget that this is a completely seperate team and the Goat has nothing to do with TSW yet it might suffer for this guys incompetence.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
I wasn't at the Battle of Gettysburg but I can still write a reasonable essay on Lee's mistakes.
"I only speak the truth"
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First, I'm not surprised what happened to AoC. They decided to push out the game early because of WAR and WOW and paid the consequences. A lot of the stuff in game was half assed, just so they could have the checkbox ticked on their list. Other parts were amazing but overall a disappointment.
Second, in reading the comments I see all these comparisons to other MMOs as to why AoC failed but one is conspicuously missing: Warhammer Online.
Maybe its an anomaly, but most of the people I come into contact with that played AoC also had bought WAR. While its true many people seem to be playing WAR less due to the plethora of new games that just came out (WOW's expansion, Left4Dead, Fallout3, and FarCry2...) but I'm already people come back, even from WOW.
Some people have made comments on how hard it is to compete with WOW due to the polish. All I'll say is I'm surprised with Mythic. They're working their butts off to deliver new content and fix problems. The latest patch fixed a number of issues, all of them I know have been complained about.
For different reasons.
Blizzard wants the gold from the safe.
SOE is interested in the technology.
Funcom wants the board orchestra that kept playing 'til the end.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It got really dull, really fast.
I also found that the entire world was just full of idiot gankers. People who found it hilarious to kill me after i've just worked my way through 20 minutes of fighting down a hallway to get to a specific person for a quest.
The most annoying thing is, at the time i quit, there was no incentive to kill anyone as there was no pvp reward system in place. PVP experience? Didn't exist. PVP Renown gear? Didn't exist.
But it was just a big massive free for all. You couldn't team with anyone because the moment you got close to a person they would attack you out of fear that you would attack them first.
It also didn't make any sense that you could attack people of your own race. That was just stupid. I would be speaking to an npc completing a quest and by the time my conversation was over i would be down to half health due to some joker stabbing me in the back constantly.
Eventually you couldn't go anywhere without a chaperone as you'd get killed by other players again and again and again even though there's no reward or incentive for them.
Even getting into a guild wasn't much fun. If you wanted to do a quest with your guild it would take you 15 minutes to run to the only travel path on the entire map. Then travel through several different maps to get to them. Consequently everyone is sat around for at least half an hour waiting for you.
There was no structure with this game. I had diabolically bad lag that eventually made it unplayable yet i was talking to a friend through skype with no issues at all.
So i quit, told Funcom why and moved onto Warhammer Online.
It's such a refreshing change. It's tight, the gfx are great and the Realm vs Realm is actually fun for a change with a real incentive to fight other players. Now if they can only sort out the tradeskills so you can make something worth using it would be excellent!
Your math is flawed. The game SOLD 700k boxes, but that includes a free month of gameplay. The game has been in development for 5 years or so. Those costs have to be payed first plus some extra because investors don't invest for the fun of it.
The people selling the boxes want to be payed too, and of course you tend to need to produce more boxes then you actually sell. Again, this has to be done with borrowed money essentially so box sales are not all that impressive.
The game has trouble right from the start. Once the first free month was over the servers started dying fast. MMO's tend to have rabid fanboys who live in their own fantasy world but the simply fact was that two weeks or so after launch the rot started to set in. Yes, new players were coming in but there were also a LOT of people who just didn't even bother completing their first month. After the first month ran out thing really went down hill. Entire guilds collapsed, not unusual but not all of these were ego tripping guilds with 1 leader who wants his own name on the guild.
It is very hard to judge just how many players AoC has left, but they faced a real problem. During beta and early launch they had to add servers to deal with the population, just a couple of weeks later they had servers turning into ghosts towns. Do you think their hardware vendor cared? Those servers had to be paid for and now they can try to sell them off second hand.
A small MMORPG can survive, if it keeps a stable population. But going from 700k to having to close servers... that means a LOT of money has been lost. They had huge trouble at launch with not enough customer support. They HAD to get more people in but as they got more employees the number of subscribers collapsed. Now they have to fire them again. That is a LOT of extra money over a small MMORPG who just has the same stable employee pool from the start.
No, Funcom is in trouble. They gambled and they lost mostly because they completely failed to understand basic MMORPG design. They just didn't get it. To list the games fault is easy, just list all its elements. Every single one of them was flawed.
For instance, its so called maturity. Naked boobs. True it had them, and that was it. But the game had no sex, there are several NPC's who hint at it, but nothing ever happens and the armours worn were totally non-sexy.
Its economy was out of whack, a horse, a staple of MMORPG design, was just to fucking expensive. So expensive that gold sellers just gave up because NOBODY was going pay to a 1000 euro's for a horse. For that matter the level requirement was WAY to high.
No fast travel options.
Its melee fighting system basically being nothing more then instead of WoW's 1 button mashing you mash 4 buttons. Whoo! Long live macro keyboards.
The list goes on. Sure there were some highprofile bugs, but basically, at its core, the game just wasn't any good. It was for a short while an intresting diversion from WoW and other fantasy MMORPG's but basically, it just wasn't a good game. A couple of nice ideas don't save a product if its core is flawed. When basic things like chat don't work as they need to, everything else is secondary. And lets face it, Guild Wars had boobs that jiggled, and weren't hidden after level 1 behind a brown leather slab.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
TR and AoC fail for the same reason: Both were released before they were done.
Now, don't get me wrong, MMOs are hardly ever really "done". And publishers feel like they needn't be, because, hey, people have to be online anyway to play them, so you can finish them while people already pay for them. A publisher's dream: Actually getting paid for finishing the game.
Doesn't really work out that way, though. WoW succeeded for two very simple reasons: First and foremost, the IP was well known. Warcraft was a name in the computer games scene, Warcraft 3 still has a strong competitive player base, so even without hyping it too much (ok, it was hyped at least as much as any MMO) people flocked to WoW. People who knew the Warcraft world and who wanted to play a MMO in it. People loved how they met old friends and enemies again, how they could easily find into the world and how it worked simply because they already knew its makeup.
But that's only a starter, it's no sticker. People don't stay in a game just for the hype and because they know the world. AoC is a perfect example of it, as is WAR. WoW was also quite well done by the time it went live. No, it was not done. It had its buggy quests and it had its rough points, there was little endgame content (IIRC Onyxia was about the only thing left to do when you got to 60 and had gear), but most quests worked, there were no killer bugs that had you hit a wall because you couldn't finish a critical class/race quest that you couldn't just skip (Vanguard, I'm looking your way!), skills worked (ok, mostly, but no race/class defining skills were broken beyond usefulness) and at least it had SOME kind of endgame to keep the addicts interested while they add more.
Because that's critical, you have to be able to move your devs onto creating new content and not have them tied up hopelessly in bugfixing. Because else you'll face a Tabula Rasa: Your developers (as in, the few that you keep after it goes live) are drowning in bugs and have to spend all their time to keep the game that exists afloat, rework skills, maybe even redo skills from scratch, just to keep the game working so they cannot invest any time into creating more content. That is actually what causes most MMOs finally to fail. When you see a sharp decline in subscriber numbers after 3-6 months, this is most likely the case (aside of 3 and 6 month subs running out and people being bored and fed up with bugs leaving).
Release a game when it's done. Now, I don't expect anyone to release a game that has the same polish as WoW, right at release day. It's hardly possible. But face it, when you create a fantasy MMO, WoW will be what you have to compete with. Simply copying WoW will not allow you to succeed, quite the opposite. The general reaction will be "Why playing your game when I can play the same kind of game bug free (mostly) and finished?"
When you want to succeed in the MMO business, you have to offer something WoW does not offer. You can't compete on their grounds, people will not choose your game over WoW just because you're "new". People might take a look, enjoy the new car smell for a while, then cancel and return to WoW, simply because WoW has better polish and is simply "finished" while you're still working on it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
what the fuck did you expect?
These are the same asshats who shipped the worst MMRPG ever. Anarchy Offline. The game so broken that even in this day and age has trouble running at any normal resolution without ridiculous bugs.
Did you somehow expect them to suddenly turn into iD and create something perfect?
Seriously.
I'm too lazy to bother digging up the plan entry where they talk about how fucking broken the game is.
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I wanted to enjoy the game, but there were plenty of problems.
1. Gathering skills. You must get these impossibly rare drops from your gathering skills to continue to the next level of gathering. I gathered over 300 cotton looking for that rare drop. It never happened. I might have been able to justify it if I could have reasonably sold the cotton. The auction house system was too flawed to justify selling the cotton in this fashion.
2. Lack of choice. Once you hit level 50, you have one and only one zone to kill in on your own. Otherwise, you must group up and those groups just were not happening due to the lack of players. A person "should" be able to solo if they so choose.
3. PVP was not happening at lower levels. I do not know whether this was due to lack of player involvement or some game restriction.
I am glad I got out. The graphics were pretty good, but there were enough annoyances to make me run away and never look back.
What is to be expected of a game that treats their older players like they are scum? Giving new players a mount that costs existing players 100g (1gold is approximately a week of game play at level 80, so it is bought from gold sellers, or never attained)
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=176235&page=1
I wonder if all these cancellations are ever going to bring about an anti-MMO backlash. Every game out there seems to launch with a flood of issues, bugs, class imbalance and missing content. And to make things worse it really stinks to be stuck with a copy of a game that is completely unplayable when the servers have been shut down.
A looming threat I see to MMOs beyond WoW are the Chinese and Korean MMOs, like the one I currently see advertised on this site. They tend to all be somewhat generic, offer little more than intensive grind and don't quite have the production values of the big names. But they have two important distinctions; they offer an Asian perspective on the fantasy theme and, more importantly, they're practically free to play. To some extent, they've taken the Guild Wars model and have added micro-payments.
I think City of Heroes is a good example of what a successful MMO given the competition. They've been around for over 4 years now and they seem to have a fairly stable player base. They've got a unique theme, first of all. Additionally, instead of trying to do everything they focused on a core set of gameplay elements. I haven't played the game in a few years now, but I still think they had the most entertaining combat system of any MMO I've played, by far. It's the closest I've seen come to an action game where I feel like I'm actually engaged in the fight as opposed to just sitting there waiting for one of us to go down.
Developers need to stop trying to recreate World of Warcraft with only cosmetic differences. Secondly, they need to seriously consider whether or not it's actually worthwhile investing all that time and money into a game that will likely fail in the end. Of course they all have high hopes early in development, because of unrealistic expectations and overly ambitious goals. My hope is that we start seeing more single-player and limited multiplayer RPGs. And I'd also like to see a stronger shift away from the tired old fantasy theme.
lolconan
Every single game released before it was ready has underperformed or outright failed.
The best games ever released had a specific mandate of "don't release until it's ready", that's in terms of fun and sales performance, and has also increased the reputation of the developers/publishers as folks who make good games.
So why then, going on a decade since this simple formula was first proven, do execs still insist on rushing out unfinished impending failures?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, watch it -- I'm huge!
I'm back to dabbling with Wrath of the Lich King, but I have to say WoW combat is still hugely boring after AoC combat. I enjoyed that a lot - didn't do PvP, so any imbalances weren't an issue. It was also very nice to have mature subject matter and dialogue (which means it's occasionally juvenile as well, but that's acceptable).
What killed it for me is pretty much as was said. Once you get off Tortage, content takes a giant plunge. Once you hit L60 or so there's far too much grinding (I didn't have to grind till then, just do quests). The fact that you couldn't get high level crafting without joining a guild was infuriating.
But what really did it was the final boss encounter, which was either ludicrously bugged, broken, or unbalanced for my class. I could excuse the lack of content to a point, but having the final boss encounter be so broken was like having the devs slap you repeatedly in the face while going "HAW HAW". And yes, I googled and found other people were having the same issues and resorting to ludicrous workarounds (while other people were going 'Worked for me first time!', as usual).
So now it's back to WoW, and while all the new content is good enough to make up for the boring combat, I sure miss that bit of AoC at times. I wish they hadn't blown it.
http://www.lasersquadnemesis.com/ is made by the guys who made x-com, and with additional stuff like online play available.
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Maybe you can pull your heads out of your butts! I am so glad you lost the rights to SWG!
Judging by the AoC comments it would seem that time stops completely in MMOs when you cancel your account. Not that I'm not busy with lich king and never going back, but it's kind of silly to complain about the problems it had at launch when it's moved miles since then.
It's also doing fairly well. It doesn't have 10 million subscribers, but their original goal which you can find in some of their early interviews was 150k subscribers, and they still maintain that.
With all the buzz about the sheer buggyness in this game, people simply don't want to part with their cash before they've had a taste first. For the love of god, put in a 7 day free trial, maybe then people will play your game!